Gaming What is Nintendo doing..?

[Guest Majin Buu]

Ok. I have always loved Nintendo, They have great games. My first system was a N64 and It was like the coolest thing ever (At the time) and i wasnt very pleased with sony.. I just didnt like there games, i guess. Ok well anyway when i first heard about The Nintendo GC I was like so over It, It was like a dream come true. But then there was Xbox and PS2, But i still wanted the GC, until I read about playstaion having like having a DvD player, and that made me kinda want it more since i didnt have a Dvd and i really wanted one, But that still didnt get me off wanting the GC. But then when The GC came out I was really stunned there wasnt any other tihng that you could do with the GC.. Like no dvd player, No cd player.. All it had was GBA attackment thingys. SO the only thing it was good for was the games.. And the games.. Were bad all Nintendo was making was remakes of old games.. That just about had the same plot has they always have.. Like Mario, Metroid and etc. And those were getting boring i wanted new games! And when i heard about Zelda i thought YES the coolest game ever was coming out for the GC. But when I saw the graphics and the story plot.. I was so bummed I riped all my Zelda posters off my wall I was so dissopointed..

Anyway.. Today Im a proud owner of a PS2, And im glad i didnt buy a Nintendo GC. I dont want you all to think that Im dissing Nintendo cause im not. I bought a GBA SP for my birthday I think that its aswome. I just wished that Nintendo woulda came out with something new, And some more kind of thingys.

[Semjaza]

I'm interested in knowing what games you would purchase on PS2 instead. What did you get along with the system?

Otherwise, I have nothing to really add to that. Some of your reasons as to why you don't like the GC are very strange to me (who seriously plays CDs in their gaming systems?), but to each their own. Hope you enjoy your purchase.

[Snufkin]

I have many disagreements with your post and could probably hold out a debate on this topic, but I'm also rather curious to know what games you've purchased along with your PS2.
Out of curiousity: What is so wrong with the graphics in Wind Waker? I think the graphics were beautifully enchanting! They looks so awesome to me!

[Guest Majin Buu]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]I'm interested in knowing what games you would purchase on PS2 instead. What did you get along with the system?

Well of course I bought, Grand Theft Auto, The Final Fantasy games, U.S navy seals, Hack, Medal of honor and etc, etc. And what did I get along with my system? uhhh.. A dvd player :p.

Dont get me wrong though I still love Nintendo and I hope the next one system they come out with.. Is gonna be different.

Oh and about the Wind Waker graphics.. I think they look kiddy

[Epsilon]

Wind Waker graphics...sorry but it just kinda sucks. They messed with the legend of Zelda...Link dosen't not have a sister! PS2 is better, because you get more things in one. I know I sound kinda cheap but I've gotten to play Wind Waker..I hate it. PS2 can house more kind of games because for the PS2 you can get like Enix, Soft Squre, some Billz, plus DBZ. I like Nintendo but the games for that don't have new plot lines and ever thing...Go PS2!!!!

[Semjaza]

...Soft Square? Billz? Huh?

You complain that there are no new plotlines, but just a few lines up you were saying they messed with Zelda's story so you hate it? The Zelda games aren't all in the same place at the same time, or even with the same Link. There's room for a sister. The funniest thing is that Wind Waker probably has more decent storyline behind it and its characters than any Zelda before it. At least on par with OoT and Majora. It was the first in the series that really even gave Ganon any human qualities, in my opinion.

GC is also getting some sort of DBZ game... but it's not as if they've historically been that great anyway.

Of course, when all you watch out for is sequels that's what you're going to get. In regards to the first post, before Metroid Prime, there hadn't been a Metroid game in almost a decade... the story was more indepth than any other Metroid game, and it was in an entirely different perspective.

Nintendo is in this situation with people who expect sequels, but want a perfect balance that isn't possible. They want it to be totally different, but still stay the same. How is that supposed to work?

Eh.

[Snufkin]

[QUOTE]Nintendo is in this situation with people who expect sequels, but want a perfect balance that isn't possible. They want it to be totally different, but still stay the same. How is that supposed to work?[/QUOTE]

I've noticed that too. They want a perfect sequel with no flaws, but they don't them to [I]change[/I] anything. Don't they know that it wouldn't be a good game unless it was tweaked a little? I loved the graphics and the storyline in Wind Waker, and I wouldn't change a thing about it.

[Syk3]

When you're buying a system, you tend to look for things that you don't already have. In your case, you wanted a DVD player, so you got PS2 instead of a GameCube. That's fine and I did the same thing, but say you could have gotten a DVD player seperately or with your computer or something, then you'd be able to have a much clearer look towards both systems. You said yourself that when you found out that the PS2 had a DVD player, you still wanted a GC, but then you went on to say that you were bummed out when GC came out and didn't have a DVD player. o_O In any case, if a DVD player wasn't an issue, you could see that GameCube has something over PS2 because of its GC - GBA capabilities; and honestly, like Semjaza said, who uses their gaming systems to play CDs?

So anyway, onto the games. First off, none of the games that you mentioned were remakes, they were sequals. Zelda especially was a horrible example, since the graphics, while being a personal preference, were extremely deep and amazing, and the story was on par with almost any Zelda game. The gameplay was honestly the best of any Zelda game to date, and as for Link not have a sister, this is a completely different Link of a completely different time. Strange? Yes, but it opens the door for a lot more Zelda games. And those that say that the graphics are kiddy are no better than those who say that Nintendo is a system that is geared towards only kids. They are ignorant and won't even give the games a chance before they make up their minds.

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion and may think that the GameCube is a bad system, but some of your reasons make very little sense. You can buy PlayStation 2 if you're looking to fulfill all of your electronic needs, or buy GameCube if you want some quality games with gameplay that you can trust will be no less than fantastic, most of the time.

[Guest Majin Buu]

[QUOTE]I loved the graphics and the storyline in Wind Waker, and I wouldn't change a thing about it.[/QUOTE]

I would change all of it.. I would Still have the same story time and have The REAL Link. He would still be looking for navi and the graphics would have Be like the old one, but just better.. Not Cartoony looking. And..

Ok tell me that talking to a boat that is supose to me the king of hryule isnt kiddy.. :smirk: There just too many things i dont like about it.. My neighbors own a GC too, and you might as well say I live there. And I play alot of GC.. SO dont get me wrong I know what the games are like and I have played them.

[hiachi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ruby [/i]
[B]Wind Waker graphics...sorry but it just kinda sucks. They messed with the legend of Zelda...Link dosen't not have a sister![/B][/QUOTE]

The graphics are not bad, they are even considered a new art form! Also, [spoiler]Link has been reincarneted many times, its just that when he has been reincarnated many times, Aryll is not necessarily his sister, she is just that until he is reincarnated again....[/spoiler]

[Desbreko]

[color=indigo]Okay, first off, Link doesn't get reincarnated. Most of the Links in the series are different Links, with little or no relation to others in the series. (A few games have the same Link, such as OOT/MM and OOS/OOA). Aryll [i]is[/i] Link's sister, but the Link in TWW is a different Link than the ones in the other games. In short, the Links in the Zelda series are, for the most part, completely different people.

And about getting a PS2 because it can play DVDs, yeah, I can see how that could influence someone's choice. But the thing is, you could have just gone out and got a $75 DVD player [i]and[/i] a GCN and you'd still be paying $25 less than if you got a PS2. (This would be back when the PS2 was $300 and the GCN $200, anyway). So yeah, I don't really see how being able to play DVDs would make [i]that[/i] much of a difference.[/color]

[b]Edit:[/b]
[color=seagreen]Well, yeah, a new hero arises when one is needed. What I was saying, though, is that the hero is a different person each time. It's not the same person getting put into different bodies (reincarnation), it's completely different people becoming new heroes each time.[/color]

[James]

[color=#335062]The Wind Waker implies (and pretty much states directly) that a new hero is reincarnated at certain intervals. So this seems to be the message that Nintendo is sending about the entire series, even though it's something that is probably a "newer idea", so to speak.[/color][color=#707875]

EDIT: Yeah, sorry about that 'breko. I got what you said mixed up somewhere there. o_O Maybe I was thinking of all those people who try to claim that the Link is the same one throughout the entire series. Chalk it up to my Phazon cookie addiction.[/color][color=#335062]

Anyway.

I don't see the complaints here as valid. And there's one main complaint I take issue with; the idea that Nintendo is making "remakes" of old games.

What about Super Mario Sunshine is similar to Super Mario 64? Very little. If you go back and play SM64 right after SMS, you will find that not only are SMS's controls vastly superior, but the majority of the game's challenges are entirely unique. FLUDD adds so much to gameplay and it's more of a fundamental element than you might think.

And then there's Metroid Prime. I'm not very experienced with the older Metroids, but I've certainly experienced them to a degree. The idea that MP is a "remake" is simply ignoring the artistry involved. Metroid Prime is one of [i]the[/i] most innovative games of this generation.

I get frustrated when people talk about Nintendo making countless sequels. That's not what Nintendo does. Nintendo takes new gameplay concepts and uses familiar characters to allow players to warm to new concepts. Luigi's Mansion is a prime example. Strip away Luigi and what do you have? Something completely different to anything else. From the controls, to the theme, to the actual progression of gameplay and the challenges...you have something very original and unique there. But people say "Oh it's just another Mario game or whatever" simply because it includes Luigi.

When Super Mario Kart first came out, people weren't saying "It's yet another Mario sequel" just because it included Mario. Mario was used to introduce something new...to add familiarity to it. The same can be said about games like Mario Party and Mario Golf.

Also, you're asking what did the Nintendo GameCube come with? Well, granted, I can see why you'd buy PS2 for its DVD player as an addition. And that's fine. But honestly, why do you buy a game machine in the first place? You buy it to play [i]games[/i]. And GameCube is just as worthy as any other system in this regard, if not moreso.

I mean, your choice is your own. And you're not wrong for choosing PlayStation 2. I own a PlayStation 2 and I love it; I've had many fantastic gaming experiences with it. And I'll probably be one of the first inline to buy PS3. So, no, it doesn't mean that I'm a "Nintendo hater". Quite the contrary. And so, I think we're all pretty open minded here...we're not going to accuse you of hating Nintendo.

[i]But[/i], I think that your reasons for rejecting GameCube aren't educated reasons. You know? You're kind of ignoring the wonderful things that it has to offer. Dismissing The Wind Waker merely due to its "kiddy" graphics is, put simply, immature. Even if you dislike the style, you owe it to yourself to play this game...if you liked Ocarina of Time, I guarantee that you'll like TWW. You might not like the visual style, but you'll find the game itself enjoyable.

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[Shinmaru]

Man, I got to this post way too late...everyone's said everything [i]I[/i] was gonna say lol!

First of all, when you're getting a Nintendo system, you should realize that you're getting a [b]gaming[/b] system. No more, no less. Nintendo has never been fascinated with add-ons that connect to other areas of entertainment, only with video gaming, because they are a video gaming company. Microsoft and Sony have DVD players in their systems because they also happen to do other things than video gaming in other parts of their companies (that didn't sound as good as it did in my head, but oh well).

Second of all, I guess you have your opinion as to there being a "real Link," but you have to realize that pretty much all of the Links are different from each other (except the Links in OOT and MM, of course). Just because the Link in OOT and MM has a fairy partner it doesn't make him the definitive Link, but that's just my opinion, just like your suggestion of a "real Link" was yours.

Third, you have the right to call Nintendo kiddy. That's fine. But I also have the right to call your opinion misinformed. Nintendo makes games that reach out to a wide audience. The themes in the game are made so that they can be played by children and adults alike. However, it would be mostly teenagers and above that could really understand and appreciate the mechanics and superb quality of Nintendo's games and that's how Nintendo reaches their audience. They try to make games for everybody.

Fourth, does Nintendo really make "sequels?" Sure, they're sequels in the sense that they're a continuation of whatever gaming series that the game is in, but if you look at most major Nintendo sequels, you can, as James said, see the new gameplay concepts that Nintendo is introducing. The characters mostly serve to familiarize people with the game (if you'll notice, Nintendo has never really tried to create vast stories for their games, with the possible exception of the Metroid series).

And that's about it for me. If you actually took the time to read and analyze this stuff I just wrote then you have no life (just like me lol).

[Subversive]

*bows* You have done it...everything I wanted to say, its all there. ^^

[Guest Majin Buu]

Is Nintendo going to die out like Sega did.. I read in EGM that they thought thats what it was looking like.. If the case what will you guys to then?

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Majin Buu [/i]
[B]Is Nintendo going to die out like Sega did.. I read in EGM that they thought thats what it was looking like.. If the case what will you guys to then? [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#335062]Well, Sega hasn't really "died out". The opposite is true, if anything. The company is slowly improving its financial position, by way of software publishing only.

Nintendo is unlikely to follow that route for a great variety of reasons. Not the least of which being the fact that the company's hardware business is profitable, unlike that of Sega. The GameCube is a profitable venture; Nintendo makes software profits on first/second/third party software, and it is also apparently making profits on hardware units now as well (as is Sony - the only company still making hardware losses is Microsoft at this stage).

So, Nintendo won't be going the way of Sega anytime soon.[/color]

[Guest Majin Buu]

Has anyone played Perfect dark? For the N64. I think that, That is the coolest Multi player game for the Nintendo besides Super smash bros melee. If Nintendo were to come out with that game for the GC I would sell my Ps2 and buy a GC in a heartbeat cause that is my most favorite game ever. Anyways ok yeah.. I just hope Nintendo does come out with something like it again.. All thought it was published by Rare ware.. I think..

[James]

[color=#335062]EA is making a Goldeneye 2, apparently. Probably for all consoles, I'd say.

Funny how you said you're sick of the remakes, but you're asking for a sequel to Goldeneye. ~_^

I think you'd really love Metroid Prime. It's wonderful. ^_^[/color]

[Shinmaru]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Majin Buu [/i]
[B]Is Nintendo going to die out like Sega did.. I read in EGM that they thought thats what it was looking like.. If the case what will you guys to then? [/B][/QUOTE]

I sincerely doubt that EGM said that Nintendo was going to die. Rather, they were probably responding to the vast number of people who seem to think that Nintendo's number is up any day now. Also, I think people keep misinterpreting Satoru Iwata when he says that when Nintendo is out of the hardware business, they are out of the video game business. Apparently, people take that as a sign that Nintendo is dropping out, which is most certainly not the case.

[Guest Majin Buu]

I dont want another goldeneye.? Who said that? I want a game that has the same aswome multi-player has Perfect dark.. Not goldeneye I hate James bond.

Ohh and EGM didnt say anything about them dieing but they did say Going down hill.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Majin Buu [/i]
[B]I dont want another goldeneye.? Who said that? I want a game that has the same aswome multi-player has Perfect dark.. Not goldeneye I hate James bond.

Ohh and EGM didnt say anything about them dieing but they did say Going down hill. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#335062]Sorry, I meant to say [i]Perfect Dark 2[/i]. You can't criticise Nintendo for making sequels and then talk about how much you want a sequel. It doesn't gel. lol

And EGM...they're known for being a bit anti-Nintendo. Though I haven't read them in a while, so I don't know how true that is.[/color]

[Guest Majin Buu]

Not a sequel but another game that had the same multi-player.. I said up that I would want something like that, Not a Perfect dark 2..

[James]

[color=#335062]Yeah, but let's not get into semantics here. You're talking about something like Perfect Dark's multiplayer.

I mean, at least let's have some consistency. lol[/color]

[Desbreko]

[color=indigo]I subscribe to EGM, and they don't really seem very anti-Nintendo. Most of the first/second party games have been getting pretty good review scores, up there with the big PS2 and Xbox games. They seem about as unbiased as you're going to get in a gaming magazine--at least to me.

As for another game with multi-player like Perfect Dark's. . . . Why not just go play Perfect Dark? :cross: I mean, really, if it's basically the same thing, I'm not going to spend more money on it. I'd want something that's new and has improvements. Something that'd be like the step up to Perfect Dark from GoldenEye 007.

But yeah, like James said, you're kind of contradicting yourself with that. You say you want new, different games, but then you say you want a game with the same multi-player as Perfect Dark. Which is it?[/color]

[Guest Majin Buu]

Ok ok im out this is getting to confusing.. I better shut up before I get more confused