What is happening here?

[Luminaire]

[color=crimson]Most of you probably don't know me, but I have been around the boards for awhile. I must ask now: What is going on here?

Members fighting members? Admins of one board fighting another? Offensive graphics?

Though the thread is now gone, someone had posted a graphic that was offensive to the work of another member on OB. Now people are running around with graphics similar and worse than that one. I bet that the person who this is all meant to offend would never admit that he is hurt. He poured his soul into what he did. Yes, he said some rude comments, but look back at what some of you said to him. Didn't we all do something wrong here?

Some or most of you probably have no idea what or who I am talking about, but some of you do. Why can't we all just get along?

I have seen arguments in topics that should not even be argued in. Though i hate to have to say this, if you have to argue, take it somewhere else. And, that doesn't mean banners and avatars can be used to offend another member because banners and avatars are a part of the boards.

In the past week, I have seen something I never would even wish to happen to the person I hate most. I met someone who had closed off their emotions to the world. This person has no bit of forgiveness left. No care for who he hurts. No care for himself. And, you wanna know why I think he closed off? Because he was hurt one too many times. He tried to forgive, but ended up betrayed again. So he has decided to push everyone who cared and still care for him away. He has isolated his emotions and himself, he stopped caring about what others said about him, and, the part some of you are angry about with him, he hurt others by pushing them away. I don't think some of us realize how badly we hurt one another by even the smallest comment.

I was once told that humans care about things without reason. I denied the point. This same person gave me a list of people I know and asked me if I could name some alternative reason why those people cared about me. Sister-because we are family, Mom-because I am smart (weird, huh?), Shrink-because he was paid to care. And the last person on the list was the person i mentioned in the above paragraph. I couldn't find a reason for why he would care, he could have walked away the whole time, but didn't. To see this same person in the condition he is now in breaks my heart. I have asked myself what could have happened that finally tipped him over the edge? He wouldn't answer me, and I couldn't answer myself. Those of you who know what I am talking about, think back to all the times you have been hurt. Think of how it felt, then multiply it by ten. There are two ways to deal with that much pain: emotional outburst(crying, suicide, etc.) and emotional shutdown. Both can be bad, but only one is healthy.

I guess the point I wanted to make is that I am saddened by the little feuds going on around here. Some of them have caused more damage than anyone would think. Some people can't tell just how much damage, but others can. And, it is a sad day when you will meet some who is emotionally shutdown. They either don't realize that they are like robots or don't care.

I hope my message has made some of you consider your past actions. If you have anything to say or anything you want to add to what I have written, just post. Even flames against what I have said are accepted.

You can live forever or die trying. Enjoy life!

~Lumi

p.s.: James, or any other admin/mod, if you decide to lock this thread, all I ask is that you don't delete it.[/color]

[wrist cutter]

I'm fine thank you and you?

Really... everything seems A-OK around here to me. Maybe you're looking too deeply.

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]She is not. She knows perfectly of what she speaks, as do many.

And I admire you for saying the things I was not willing to. For not turning your back on the issues I wished to. You are unbelieveably strong to address this, Luminaire Vague Entreri. And I do thank you. You know I do. Love ya.

~Rox[/color]

[clumsymoonflowr]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks the same way that Lumi does. Though I'm a new member to OB and came despite all the negativity that I'd heard was here (some of the other members gave strong recommendations), I have seen and heard what's been going on. I think it's terrible and sad and i don't quite understand how things got to this point in the first place. Not that I need to understand to know that all of this is silly and hurtful. Nothing constructive is coming from this at all. What's the point?

And that other thread... While the first av was clearly a thrown gauntlet, the second was tasteless and I'm glad that it is no longer being circulated. However... No, nevermind. I think that this episode is best forgotten. It was stupid and juvenile and it only ended up hurting people unnecessarily.

It doesn't matter what was said, or what people thought was said. People got upset and hurt and I think that's the real issue here.

-Ness, +sigh+

[Mitch]

[size=1] I hope this thread gets closed. It's what it deserves.


I'm not very cognizant of all the things going on here at all...but I am quite sick of all these crosses and xs and axes. Obviously things aren't going to resolve. So it's best to just close off it all in a plastic dome of tape and let it be where it'll be.

There is no rivalry between OB and AE, never has, never will. It's only when you think so that it comes so in your mind.

Charles did nothing wrong with his avatar...He even [i]told[/i] Kevin it was all in fun. The thing that gets me is how Kevin said it was all right, then, [i]behind Charles' back[/i], he said quite bad things to him from what I've heard. That's what gets me. What a coward. If you feel something about someone or anything, it's best to tell instead of build and build and build until it all falls down onto someone.

That's enough. This whole thing is just plain dumb. And this isn't the first time Kev's done this to Charles from what Charles has said.

I'm not jumping into anyone's arms here. I'm not saying Charles didn't hurt people from what he did...but seriously. People need to realize this is the way things work. You either take something like it's going to kill you or just take it from what it's meant to be.

And I do think people care without reason. All the reasons you have given are reasons without reason. I know I don't care about someone because they're smart, or they're dumb, or they're named Mr. Chimera. It doesn't matter. You care about someone because you want to, not because of attributes that force it to you. Or because you think so. You care about someone because you know so.

And, to turn your back on someone is like screaming and yelling you really didn't care. That it was all a lie, and that little arrow becomes a spear.

People need to realize and see that no one's in certain wrong or right here. I'd like to say Kevin caused a lot of this pretty much internally, over his own control and will. Like a ventriliquist. But that's being too biased. The root of this is that people don't understand each other so much that by one blink of a simple thought and the image of some touch, it all tumbles and begins to roll like a rock down a hill. [/size]

[Juu]

[color=ff00cc] [size=1]Well, if you use the avi Charles made at AE, you get banned. oo;;

I'm not sure, actually. I've been feeling some tension lately, but I'm sure it's nothing too serious, like a war or anything. >>;

Basically, I just suggest reading through a few threads at AE. That might explain a few points. Though, if they really are fighting, it's silly. I just don't really see a reason two boards should hate each other as a complete, or anything...[/color] [/size]

[Break]

[size=1][color=CC0000]I honestly don't give a ****. It's interesting to see how arguments started, and what's going on, but this "war" or whatever has to stop. It's ******* stupid, people on these boards are going against each other because they think differently of [i]one person[/i].. I say we just sweep this **** under a rug or something. It's pissing me off and I'm sure as hell that it's pissing a lot of other people off too..

(excuse all of the swears... ¬¬)[/size][/color]

[The Vampire: Ed]

First of all, it was a joke. It was said, I don't know, about several million times it was meant to be a joke, something all in good fun. People read into it too much. Charles posted that avatar thinking that Kevin could take it thinking he was just doing what normal friends do. They joke with one another, they say or do insulting things toward each other. When you're friends you knows it's all in good fun, and neither side usually takes it all that seriously.

Sadly, Kevin either is the type of person who is overly sensitive about such things, or in reality never thought of Charles as enough of a friend to consider as a joke. I don't really know which to consider as truth, perhaps both.

Charles took practically full blame for something that was not entirely his fault, so I wouldn't talk little of him. Especially since his avatar pales in comparison to an avatar of Hitler with the initials OB used to spell the word "Obey."

Anyway, I will try to keep this as my first and last post. I don't wish to bring anymore arguements here, I just wanted to state my opinion before the topic is closed.

[Transtic Nerve]

I don't even understand what the conflict is here or how it involves any except the parties directly involved... oh thats right it doesn't.... it's just a few weird people being weird...

As for the mods and members and whatever.... having been on this board for... what?... 2 years now? I can say this is NOTHING compared to how bad it used to be. These recent events involving one or two fo the admins here or elsewhere is none of your concern. As far as I can see, as a person who has no clue what the thing between those admin guys is, and as a mod of this forum and visitor of other forums, there is hardly anything worth crying over.

The simple fact here is.... it's not bad, in fact this board hasn't changed much in the last year. If you really have a problem with it, there's no one keeping you here, you're free to leave.

It's a message board... people will disagree, I should know... people will fight, people will get angry, but let me reassure you on something... this is a message board.... It's supposed to happen, thats why we have an admin and mods... believe me, we aren't here to make it look good, even though we try. We are here to moderate.... to control in some sense.... why do we need control? Because sometimes people get out of hand....

Now I am closing this topic. I'm sure Charles or James will respond... they should clarify alot more than I can. If you have any personal thing with them, feel free to use our very own Private Messaging service, 20 cent the first PM, 99 cent each addition one. Thank you.

[James]

[color=#707875]What can I say? This is another example of taking something nonexistent (a rivalry) and blowing it up to epic proportions.

Lumi and Roxie, you're both doing little but gossip mongering at this point. And I don't appreciate it. Both of you are making a mild situation unnecessarily annoying.

As far as the avatar, I think it's been explained. PoisonTongue has been appropriately warned, Charles has (needlessly) apologised and OtakuBoards hasn't been drawn into anything needless. Now, let's actually get on with our lives and spend time on more important things.

And Lumi/Roxie...I can't fully express my disappointment. You only have one side of the story, if it can even be called a story. Neither of you have the experience in this matter that Charles does and as such, I think he has the right to be angry at both of you as well as Kevin. If anything, Charles is the victim here. If you don't agree, that's fine. But don't waste OB's time by posting stuff like this. As you appropriately say; keep it off the boards.[/color]

[Charles]

I'm going to address this point by point at this very late hour.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Luminaire [/i]
[B]Most of you probably don't know me, but I have been around the boards for awhile. I must ask now: What is going on here?

Members fighting members? Admins of one board fighting another? Offensive graphics?

Though the thread is now gone, someone had posted a graphic that was offensive to the work of another member on OB. Now people are running around with graphics similar and worse than that one. I bet that the person who this is all meant to offend would never admit that he is hurt. He poured his soul into what he did. Yes, he said some rude comments, but look back at what some of you said to him. Didn't we all do something wrong here?

Some or most of you probably have no idea what or who I am talking about, but some of you do. Why can't we all just get along?[/b][/quote]

First of all, there are no administrators "fighting" one another. Like James and most of the staff and membership that is informed about this situation, I'm sick of this nonsense.

This is a matter of others fueling a fire that I would like to put out; one that doesn't even really exist. It's easy to romanticize and blow such a small situation out of proportion. And whether anyone chooses to believe this or not--that's up to them--it's this gossip that perpetuates these situations.

I created a thread containing an avatar that contained little more than initials. There was no libel towards [i]anyone.[/i] I clearly expressed the principle that if anyone became offended the thread would be closed. And not only was it closed--but I apologized profusely and I deleted it. And here we are still talking about it a day later and I'm not the one creating a thread about it. You are.

Kevin approached me about the situation and I told him that there was no malicious intent behind it. I even went as far as to explain to him that I would create an avatar for him promoting AE Boards. He expressed interest in the proposal and that was that.

Let's get this straight. [i]You[/i] are one of the individuals that began pasting your conversation with him into a chat. [i]You[/i] began to spread the gossip and inflame the situation by prodding him about it.

I have no personal quarrel with Kevin. It is [i]he[/i] that posts inflammatory messages on his board claiming that he detests our administration. He is the one that proposes ideas such as banning any member from OtakuBoards who registers at his site because they're "dimwitted." Yet, they're the same peope

Does this seem mature to you?

HikaruIchijyo19: :-\ bah
HikaruIchijyo19: your just another one of those OB-ers
HikaruIchijyo19: *does the hex sign*

Or this:

HikaruIchijyo19: after all you did leave your admin position on aeb and take that ob one rather quickly
HikaruIchijyo19: if I were another person I would think differently.

How do you think those comments make me feel? But, I've never brought personal issues here until now. I have no desire to air my personal laundry. Kevin has though. He did it with that flash movie that flamed one of our members. Did he not?

So, let's make this perfectly clear. I'm not the one refusing to get along here. I was friends with Kevin for a very long time and helped him a good deal with his site. If he wants to overreact and stamp his feet over a thumbnail image--then what can I say? You certainly won't see me visiting his site and posting threads either here nor there.

I don't want to be writing about this right now, quite frankly. I don't bring personal issues up and I can't do much more to resolve the situation. The thread is gone and so is the avatar.

[quote][b]I have seen arguments in topics that should not even be argued in. Though i hate to have to say this, if you have to argue, take it somewhere else. And, that doesn't mean banners and avatars can be used to offend another member because banners and avatars are a part of the boards.[/b][/quote]

Exactly! I agree with you. Take it elsewhere. I'm not complaining over Kevin's avatar. There would have been no more discussion of this had a thread not been created. No more threads like this will even be tolerated. The issue is stupid. These are [i]message boards.[/i] If Kevin doesn't like OtakuBoards I'm going to say this right now.

Dude, stop being so insecure. It was a thumbnail image. You're acting like a baby. If James and I can sit back and let you rip us a new butthole in front of your membership, and you can't take a simple image on an anime message board--then go get some air. There are no conspiracies. We don't give a crap whether you come here and post or not or whether you agree with how we do things. You have your opinions and I'm not even going to dispute them. I could argue about how you run your site right now--but I won't because it's [i]your[/i] site.

If you have a problem with me, we can settle it off the boards. Not through anyone else. Not on here. It's that simple.

[quote][b]In the past week, I have seen something I never would even wish to happen to the person I hate most. I met someone who had closed off their emotions to the world. This person has no bit of forgiveness left. No care for who he hurts. No care for himself. And, you wanna know why I think he closed off? Because he was hurt one too many times. He tried to forgive, but ended up betrayed again. So he has decided to push everyone who cared and still care for him away. He has isolated his emotions and himself, he stopped caring about what others said about him, and, the part some of you are angry about with him, he hurt others by pushing them away. I don't think some of us realize how badly we hurt one another by even the smallest comment.[/b][/quote]

This is a bit melodramatic. I don't mean to sound insensitive but come on. Who are you talking to here?

I've known Kevin for a year and I know him better than a lot of people. I was there to console him over and over again. But, enough is enough. What does this have to do with anything here?

Someone can only play the victim for so long before it gets old. His human condition doesn't give him the right to walk all over others on a constant basis. I've seen him insult people like Roxie over and over again, and I try to be there as a friend--and then [i]she[/i] and yourself stir the pot further.

I think that if anything, it's people like you guys that make the situation worse than it actually is by stretching it out of proportion.

Think about it. If you hadn't created this thread--would this still be ongoing?

Exactly.


[quote][b]I guess the point I wanted to make is that I am saddened by the little feuds going on around here. Some of them have caused more damage than anyone would think. Some people can't tell just how much damage, but others can. And, it is a sad day when you will meet some who is emotionally shutdown. They either don't realize that they are like robots or don't care.[/b][/quote]

This is more of the same. If you don't agree with this conflict, then stop trying to create it. You're free to help Kevin iron out his issues if you want to take up the challenge. That's your business. I'm not going to criticize you.

Let's not be mistaken about what is going on here though. You're coming here and trying to chastise us, and in doing so, this issue has grown even [i]stronger[/i]. My thread certainly didn't have this sort of discussion in it. We didn't discuss the intricacies of the parties involved.

[quote][b]I hope my message has made some of you consider your past actions. If you have anything to say or anything you want to add to what I have written, just post. Even flames against what I have said are accepted.[color] [/B][/QUOTE]

And how does this make any sense? Flames are accepted. [i]Oh yeah,[/i] this is certainly resolving the situation.

We'd rather just ignore AE Boards at this point and leave it at that.

To be quite honest, I'm more upset with Roxie and you, Lumi than I am Kevin.

Peace out. I'm done with you.