Anime Yaoi or Straight? What's the deal?

[IloveBebop]

The first time that I read the Hiei/Kurama and Vash/Wolfwood comics, I did laugh a lot, but they are a little insulting. Afterall, Wolfwood is with Millie, and Vash tries to get pretty ladies whenever he gets the chance to, and Hiei and Kurama, I'm not touching that with a 30 foot pole.

[eleanor]

[size=1] If you hate it so much....why were you reading the comics in the first place?[/size]

[tsuzuki]

Hi I am new here and have been reading this thread with some interest. My faourite anime is Yami No Matsuei. I find the artwoek and storylines to be phenomenal. None of the others I have seen, and I have seen a lot, come near to it. [Cowboy Bebop is my second favourite ;-) ] It is a yaoi anime. Yaoi for the most part tends to be very mild with nothing explicit usually shown. It can also be ambiguous for exaple Tsuzuki in YNM has also been seen to have feelings for women. he never fully reveals his feelings for men although there is some male bonding through work relations. If we look at the origins of yaoi. it was written by women for women to explore men's emotions. Living in a country where in comparison to some western countries women are still rather repressed. This may be changing. The yaoi stories show men displaying their feeling of vulnerability, sadness, love, and so on. It was not written originally to explore homosexuality although in a lot anime's today this is incresingly done so. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality it is just as normal as heterosexuality and it is good that the anime's at least can acknowledge this. Although Will and Grace is a good programme too :-) I do not like lemon/lime because of the age thing, I think it can be dangerous.

Tsuzuki

[eleanor]

[size=1] Tsuzuki, you are my new best friend.

I agree with everything you said, and I thank you for it.[/size]

[SadClown]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by tsuzuki [/i]
[B] None of the others I have seen, and I have seen a lot, come near to it.[/B][/QUOTE]

You should read Tenshi Kinryoku *ANGEL SANCTUARY* if you like Yami no Matsue.

[tsuzuki]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SadClown [/i]


You should read Tenshi Kinryoku *ANGEL SANCTUARY* if you like Yami no Matsue. [/quote]

Thank you SC, do you know where I will find the link?

Thanks

Tsuzuki:freak:

[color=hotpink][size=1]Edited to fix tag problems. *QA*[/color][/size]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]Tsuzuki, I know you're new and everything, but posts like the last two you've made, one of which I deleted, are not allowed. They are off-topic and spam. If you want to post, please make sure it is regarding the thread. Welcome to the OtakuBoards. ^_^[/color][/size]

[tsuzuki]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[B][color=hotpink][size=1]Tsuzuki, I know you're new and everything, but posts like the last two you've made, one of which I deleted, are not allowed. They are off-topic and spam. If you want to post, please make sure it is regarding the thread. Welcome to the OtakuBoards. ^_^[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]


How could my posts possibly be off topic since my post was directly in relation to the topic 'Yaoi or straight' and they were not spam since I merely mentioned anime's as examples for the discussion. I wasn't recommending them I have no relationship with any distributors nor do i sell them myself. Anime titles and characters have been mentioned in practically every message in this thread as have the main points I raised. I know I am new but I am wondering why my posts are bring picked out when they are not off topic or spam.

Tsuzuki

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I wasn't referring to your first post. I was referring to this:[/color][/size]

[quote]Thank you SC, do you know where I will find the link?

Thanks

Tsuzuki[/quote]

[color=hotpink][size=1]THAT is spam. Sorry for the confusion.[/color][/size]

[tsuzuki]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka [/i]
[color=hotpink][size=1]I wasn't referring to your first post. I was referring to this:[/color][/size][/quote]



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Thank you SC, do you know where I will find the link?

Thanks

Tsuzuki
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[quote][color=hotpink][size=1]THAT is spam. Sorry for the confusion.[/color][/size][/quote]


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I did not post the recommendation if you had a point then it is not directed at the correct person. I merely asked for the link as it was mentioned although I can't see how recommendations can be regarded as spam. She/he wasn't trying to sell it but was merely recommending it. I thought it was a fanfic I hadn't been aware that it is an anime or manga not that it should make any difference. My first time posting here in what I hoped was a place with like minded people i.e. anime fans and I feel so disappointed to find this.

Tsuzuki

[color=hotpink][size=1]I edited your tags. If you want to quote someone, just use the button at the bottom of the post. Also, I refuse to argue with you. If you want to take this up with someone, take it up with Shy or James. *QA*[/color][/size]

[Patronus]

[size=1][color=575757][b]I'm not going to read this whole thread, or even try. I'm going to state my opinion, and that's it.

Yaoi is merely a fan related hobby. It's just like saying Squall and Selphie should get together. And I'm sure, Milliefan, that you've wanted for a girl and boy that weren't officially put together by the writers to hook up. It's the same exact thing as yaoi, only with the opposite sexes. I say that you just don't homosexuality, and this is proving it.
Leh[/b][/color][/size]

[DeathBug]

Time for DeathBug to have his say:

Well, first off, I think there are several animes where many conclusions about relationships can be drawn. However, to invent one where it never existed is very self-indulgent.

Trigun, for instance. Vash has the hots for several women throughout the series. (I think he and Dominique the Cyclops would have made an interesting couple, but that's for another topic.) Therefore, there's no Vash/Wolfwood relationship because Vash is a heterosexual.

(On a side note, I don't believe that Vash was in love with Rem; he loved her, but I think it was a more maternal love.)

I'm not going to get into Gundam Wing at all, because I only saw it once, two years ago.

However, if the question is whether or not fans should indulge in such things, the answer is yes. I support all fanfiction, [i] provided that it is properly labled.[/i] I do not support it on personal beliefs. Personally, I find it distasteful.

However, I believe that all fanfiction is good for a property, as it generates interest and keeps the story alive. It shows a devoted, if somewhat odd, fanbase.

Personally, I dislike inventing such relationships out of nothing. I speak as a writer. If, by some unlikely twist of fate, my personal work, Sol, became famous, and people began to write fanfics pairing two of my characters, (Say, Simon and TYbalt, for all the four people who read it), I would not approve.

Of course, I would, on the other hand, be glad someone enjoyed my work enough to write a fanfic on it, misguided as it may be.

What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that even though I dislike yaoi/yuri pairing with no bearing on the anime whatsoever, I can't say to delete them or anything. Like Patrick Henry said, "I may not agree with what you say, but I would die for your right to say it."

However...being a male, I can't deny the appeal of certain yuri couples. However, I don't go talkin' about it. ^_^;;

[Xai]

[COLOR=red]Although I don't read/look at yaoi, I have no problem whatsoever with it. Same with yuri. What's the difference between fan-made hetero relationships and fan-made yaoi/yuri? However, I DO think that fanfic writers should clearly label them so it doesn't upset the people that hate it.[/COLOR]

[Zen]

I don't care if a person reads Yaoi/Yuri or makes them, but it just gets me angry and annoyed when they use clearly Straight characters for there little expirements. Just steamss me up. Grrrrrr. Hulk Mad!
Like, i really wouldn't care if some one used George from Outlaw Star (Genes freind) in there story becasue its clear he is gay. But if they used Jim or Gene, i would really be angery becasue there both straight to the max. Jim had a girl freind for about two days ntil he killed her and Gene is a womanizer, ntil he met Melphina, then he settled down with her. So thats my attitude towerds Yaoi.

[SadClown]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Double_B_Daigo [/i]
[B]I don't care if a person reads Yaoi/Yuri or makes them, but it just gets me angry and annoyed when they use clearly Straight characters for there little expirements.[/B][/QUOTE]

Thats the whole point behind a lot of it, the imagination.

[Zen]

Okay, take this into hand. Say if you fell in love with a really cool good guy who worked to save the earth. What if that good guy just up for no reason turned evil and killed everyone without reason. That would get you extremely POed, wouldn't it? Its the same basis when some nerdy fan girl takes some one like the clearly straight Miroku and makes him up and fall in deep, gay love with InuYasha. It just truly disgusts me when some one has such false respect fore the hard working writers of the sereis chracter design. Hate me if you will, but i hate it.

[LetalisNox]

I'm wondering, would same-sex pairings between two characters that show little or no evidence of attraction towards each other in the actual series be so irritating if the story was well-written and gave more background story than sudden, out-of-the-blue lust and love? I mean, sometimes it isn't about being gay or straight. It's about a relationship that deepens beyond that of friendship. Is it more about yaoi/yuri relationships simply making no sense half the time than the thought of same-sex pairings?

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Double_B_Daigo [/i]
[B]Okay, take this into hand. Say if you fell in love with a really cool good guy who worked to save the earth. What if that good guy just up for no reason turned evil and killed everyone without reason. That would get you extremely POed, wouldn't it? Its the same basis when some nerdy fan girl takes some one like the clearly straight Miroku and makes him up and fall in deep, gay love with InuYasha. It just truly disgusts me when some one has such false respect fore the hard working writers of the sereis chracter design. Hate me if you will, but i hate it. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, isn't writing any fanfiction just taking a new look at the show and exploring the possibilities using characters you know well. You coudl write a fanfiction dedicated to the idea that, for some reason, Vash decides to become evil. You can't bash that saying it would never happen because it might, ir in the writers imagination it could and would be an interesting idea to take hold of. The same could be said for relationships. It's just taking an idea and working with it. It's hard to see how people can get so offended by something that is merely words on a computer screen . I for one, if my work were to be published would be greatly honoured if someone where t create any type of fanfiction with it, yaoi or otherwise.

[Braidless Baka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by doukeshi03 [/i]
[B]I for one, if my work were to be published would be greatly honoured if someone where t create any type of fanfiction with it, yaoi or otherwise. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hear hear!

I don't know how many times I've said that (or how many people I've said it to O_o). I know that, if my work were to be published, animated, filmed, released, whatever - I know that I would be highly honoured if anyone was to take my work to such a degree as to write fanfiction (or draw fanart) about it. Certainly, it may not be to my every taste, but nothing in the world caters to everybody.

Yaoi (or shounen-ai -- or yuri or shoujou-ai for that matter) is a similar plate at the dinner table. Not everyone likes it, but nobody has to eat it. If someone were to write about a novel I released (for example) and crossed over two of the male characters in it... I would be so honoured. Words can barely describe how honoured I would feel. Because my readers would be taking my story - my world if you will - further than I did myself. What I've created is "good" enough for them to take further with their own imaginations.

And two heads are better than one right? ^___^;;

[eleanor]

[size=1] I would be honored if someone made a gay couple outta my anime. Because guess what....? MY MAIN CHARACTER IS GAY!

O_o. Right....well, anyways. How can you say that you hate yaoi/yuri because the pairings aren't canon, when you've probably wanted to see a non-cannon het couple? Because gay-ness isn't natural and it should be banned? What the hell! Let's gather all the shounen-ai/yaoi and shoujo-ai/yuri fans and all the creators of anime with gay people in them and all those evil fanfiction writers and throw them in the dump! Whattaya say?!

Do you know why shounen-ai/yaoi fans get angry and diss people who say yaoi/shounen-ai suck and should be banned? Because the people who are against this theme are the first to provoke the anger. I assure you, 99.9% of the time, it's the people who don't like gay writings or pairings that start the argument depsite the usual "IF YOU DON'T LIKE YAOI, STAY OUT. DO NOT ENTER THIS WESITE/READ THIS FIC." Do you see gay people going around calling striaght couples evil? No.

So if you don't like it, ignore. You're not going to suddenly change anyone's opinions. Heck, you'll never change our opinions. So if you don't like it, don't read it, don't look at it, don't enter the websites that say it is absolutely filled with yaoi fun just to flame everyone. I have no problem with anti-yaoi websites. Drumroll please! Because I choose to ignore it. As for this post, I know I'm being hypocritical, but I had to get it out.[/size]

[tsuzuki]

Well said M. The thing is though the anti Yaoi don't know what they are missing when they don't read/watch the better Yaoi Manga/anime. They are not all about sex indeed as I have said it is very discreet and rarely ever explicit. If they think that all Yaoi is Hentai [soft-porn] then they are very much mistaken. I am straight and I really like Yaoi because of the excellent stories and artwork. Emotions are explored more than sexuality but in the better Yaoi series like 'Yami No Matsuei' never at the expense of the drama. It is sad that people can be so outspoken and judgemental against something they have never watched or haven't given much of a chance. The anti gay sentiment is coming through which is even more sad. Being gay is normal just as being straight is normal, it has always been with us and will always remain with us as long as humankind exists. So lets just ease up and enjoy the brilliant anime and manga out there :-)

Tsuzuki

[eleanor]

[size=1] I love Yami no Matsuei, it has beautiful artwork and a great story...

Once again, tsuzuki, I whole-heartedly agree with you. ^_^ Although some people may not want to watch shounen-ai/yaoi anime, they should never make assumptions or believe rumors.[/size]

[Luminaire]

[color=crimson]There are anime shows out there where there is no official couple. The only way for there to be one is for fans to make it up. If fans make up something and support it, and no one else has proof against it, so be it. In no way is the made up couple a part of the real show, but if you really consider it and other couples, does it not make you see the show in a different way, to notice thing you didn't notice before, to hear things you did not hear before? Try reading one fanfic with strange couples and watching the anime series again, puts things in a whole new light.

It's funny that Gundam Wing was brought up. I have probably read one fanfic for every possible couple in that show, and some were really weird. Noin and Sally, Quatre and Relena, Heero and Lady Une? Pretty strange, ne? Out of the whole show, there were only three established couples: Relena and Heero, Noin and Zechs, and Lady Une and Treize. The rest of the characters were left unanswered. I have read many fanfics where the other characters are paired up and the original couples left alone. 3x4, 2x5 are popular couples among fans who respect the other pairings. There are people out there who just do not like a character or two. This is where bashing comes in.
I think I read too many fanfics...O_o;;;

The couples of Heero and Duo, Vashand Wolfwood, and ALOT of others come off of the more brotherly relationship of the characters.

Oh, and the topic of clearly "straight" characters. I'll use Outlaw Star as my example. Neither Jim nor Gene say they are straight and just because they have/had a girlfriend does not mean they are straight and not gay. They could be bi, ne?

~Lumi ^_^[/color]

[Cocomi Myojin]

I agree with Miss Millie, Animeforever and Maladjusted. You all really do put out educated answers that really get my brain working :)
I myself think that yaoi is somewhat odd. It's just weird to see the anime, and then the fanfiction that flips everything upside down!
Cocomi-chan

[St. Sakura]

[I][COLOR=Red]I agree with LetalisNox. I mean, there's nothing wrong with a yaoi pairing in the anime or games you like with cute boys in them. Take Gundam Wing for example. To all of the sites I've been to, there's been some fanfics with Yaoi pairings in them. To some, it's probably disturbing but to some it's sweet. But I like yaoi anime like Gravitation and mangas like FAKE and Eeerie Queerie. Is that a problem?[/COLOR][/I]