Gay Marraige?

[eleanor]

[size=1]I read an article on Gay Marriage in Newsweek, and I decided to bring it up here on OB. Okay, actually I didn't read the whole thing. My sister told me about it, mostly >__>;;. but she said that many people were going against it. It seems that they think if gay people are allowed to marry, that would be anti-american since it's against Christianity. I for one think they should make gay marriage legal in every state, and I don't like how people are saying it makes you anti-american. [/size]

[RPCrazy]

I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.

.......and I'm going to stop there before I open my mouth and stick my foot in it.

But yes. The most I will say right now is ******** it's "Anti-American"...Bull. ****.

[Booboo]

I don't know why they would ever make gay marriges illegal in the first place. I hate the way people are so narrow-minded to the way other people live, their religon, what they look like, or what they belive in. I don't belive that if you are gay that you are anti-American. I think it's a load of crap the anti-gay people(I dont have another word) came up with to make people hate gays or make gays hate being what they are. So I think gay marriges sould be legal, and that all I have to say.

[SadClown]

Implying that to be American, one has to be Christian is hypocritical of everything America is supposedly built on.

Being gay, I personally see nothing wrong with gay marriage. People need to learn to worry more about themselves and less about others.

[Kazuko]

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Edited October 13, 2017 by Kazuko

[Sui Generis]

[COLOR=indigo]Hm...as SadClown said its not anti-american to be gay or non-christian. Considering that this nation WAS founded on the principle freedom of religion as many other freedoms that statement in itself is anti-American. That statement is just as anti-American as the KKK or Hilary Clinton. I had to throw that in there sorry...^.^;;;

Anyways. As for gay marriages. Hm...personally I'm happy, of course partially because I'm gay, but the thought is even if we couldn't be married do you think that'd stop us from spending the rest of our lives together. I think that marriage in some sense is just a big ol' party. I mean I think the thought of a wedding sometimes draws people into marriage that arn't ready for it. So yeah thats my opinion.

Power to the people! Gay marriages cool with me, so rock on![/COLOR]

[DuoMax]

IT really annoys me that in the "Land of the Free" we stil have bigots. Gay marrige is fine by me, cause I'm Bi.

[Justin]

I personally don't care for what people do in the privacy of their own homes. Just so long as when they're being married, they're not ignorant enough to think it's authorized by the same God I serve.

All in all, though I am quite Christian, I'm not a bigot. Yes, homosexuality is against the laws of God, and yes, it is sin by the standards of Christianity, but I don't believe in labeling people as 'homosexuals' and then just shunning them. If I do anything, I'll just try my best to show them the love Jesus would if he were in my shoes. This of course also means preaching the Gospel, but not in a condescending way.

As I said, so long as they're not ignorant enough to think it's by the will of my God, and so long as they keep it in their homes(as all married couples should), there's nothing for me to do about it.

-Justin

[PloKoonDS]

Hey Hey Hey now, do we really need to start bashing people? -_-
Honestly, I could care less for it. As most people know by now, I do not support being gay in any way or form, but that DOESNT mean I think it should be illegal. If people want to do that, pfft, go for it, your choice, not mine. And hey, its not MY fault people say "omg, its un-american to do that!" pfft, what the heck IS "american" now-a-days? Going out and getting drunk every friday night and then waking up to some one you dont know? If that is american, call me a Swed. Heck, call me a communist. Because I sure as heck dont support people who are like "I r b American0 d00d! U r nut!" Pfft to them! But that doesnt mean I support you either, so like..... bleh. Any who, that was a little random...

I once saw at a concert once, a band sign that declared us "slaves" to our government. And then half way through the concert the singer took out a flag and started to degrade it, saying how we shouldnt conform and BS crap like this. It took all my will to only take the flag from him and not beat the **** outta him. I heard later that at other concerts he would have thrown the flag on the ground and started to dance on it and such. Now, you may think "omg, this d00d is patriotic and stuupeed" but hey, is it wrong to be proud of my nation that fights for me against everything that is threatening? No, its not. And so I dont think you all should be bad mouthing it for some little "mistake" it made in outlawing those types of marriages. I dont know, this all seem's kinda random, and I didnt read all the post's, but from what I did read I wasnt happy that some of you decided to bad mouth being a "Christian" and such, or bad mouth the government.

And Justin, I totally agree with you man. I count myself as a "Christian" and I totally support what you said. As long as they dont cry "minority" or what not, Im cool with it. But that whole "Minority" thing is a load of BS. Im a Minority, Im myself, so bleh! Any who..

All I have left to say really is DONT STEAL MY PROPS DEMN IT!!!

Plo Koon, Teh Ubber Newb

P.S. - Rock on! \m/

[boothten]

[color=darkblue][size=1]I don't care about Gay Marriages. I don't mind 'em. Personally, I think it's kinda' stupid that people are against marriages. They don't have the right to say who you must like, the opposite sex, or whatever. Poeple should be able to love who they want to.

.:Lan21013:.[/color][/size]

[ianthestampede]

To start off i'm gonna tell ya where i stand on the subject.
First of all, i'm not pro nor am i con for gay marriages. If the individual decides he wants to spend the rest of his life with his soul mate. Then so be it!
And for the Anti american deal, its just plain dumb! Not being a christian does limit my knowledge to their principles. But I think everyone decided along time ago to seperate government and religion? *opinion only, it may insult some people*
I think everyone deeply fixated on a religion believes in some very good ideals. and some not so very... Realistic ideals. The fact that a religion would exclude anyone that commits adultry, and all these so called sins is almost obsurd. This almost makes me feel like these religions are tryin to fabricate the reality we all know. Sheltering its believers from the real world. In reality people DO mess up, its all about forgiveness!
*end of ramble*
So Yes i feel if gay men/women decide to marry then let them!

[Orien_Xel]

[color=blue]I'm a Christian, and I personally support gay marrige. I don't think Jesus would have condemened them for it, or excluded them. Gays are fine. My brother is in fact bi, so...Well, anyway gay marrige would be a great thing.[/color]

[Semjaza]

I believe they recently allowed civil unions of gay couples here in Chicago. Whether or not that really gives them any real rights or benefits (such as with work or whatever), I have no idea. I didn't really look into it much. For all I know, it could basically be nothing more than a piece of paper, which is too bad... but I would expect that it would give some people at least a slight peace of mind. It certainly is progress.

Personally, I don't mind who does what with their lives. I don't really worry about the sanctity of marriage or what some higher being would think. If you love someone, you love someone... and there should be a way for all people to be able to show it in that aspect.

[PiroMunkie]

[size=1]That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.

" It seems that they think if gay people are allowed to marry, that would be anti-american since it's against Christianity. "

Not everyone in this apparently ****ed up (more than I had originally thought) country is a Christian, or of any relating religion.

I do not know what I could say that would not be me going off on an anti-religious rant, so I am going to stop here. I do not feel like having to argue with someone or some people. Just know that I support marriage between homosexuals and the like.


"Behind every arguement is someone's ignorance." - Louis D. Brandeis[/size]

[Justin]

First of all, PloKoonDS, I'd like to ask you NOT to claim the same faith as me, and cuss in the same post. It really makes you look contradictory, and makes those who actually have convictions looks the same.

Secondly, I'd like to hit on a point that I didn't in my original post: Saying that doing something against Christianity is anti-American, while debatable, is like saying America has no freedom of religion(though, I don't consider Christianity a religion). So, whoever made that statement is fairly ignorant.

Now, RPCrazy sent me a PM simply asking me to explain to him why God would condemn homsexuals for showing simple love towards each other. I expalined it to him as best I could, and I offer the same courtesy to anyone who'll take it.

But I don't care to see this turn into a gay-bashing or Christian-bashing session. If it turns into either or both, I will close it.

-Justin

[SadClown]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]But I don't care to see this turn into a gay-bashing or Christian-bashing session. If it turns into either or both, I will close it.
[/B][/QUOTE]

I think that this is turning into a good discussion so be curtiouse to us and don't threaten to lock down threads becuase you feel threatned by what might be said.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]...they're not ignorant enough to think it's authorized by the same God I serve.[/B][/QUOTE]

I acctually found this to be a very insulting and bigitouse statement. Marriage is a ceremony for the community, not for the two individuals involved. It is to show everyone else how seriouse a commitment you are making to eachother, but you don't need to get married to love someone. Nor do you need "your" Gods permission. Christianity teaches that God loves all of his children equally. It's resorting to play-ground tactics by saying "My God said..." whatever. Not to mention its hypocritical for God to make people one way and then shun them for it. If this is the way your God works, then he's someone I wouldn't want to worship.

[Harry]

I don't see why the just feel like they have to have a marriage license, since there's quite a few taxes and assorted fees that couples have to pay.

[SadClown]

^^ It has less to do with that than you think. It's more a matter of equality. The world is essentially saying your gay so therefore we're going to treat you different becuase of it and not let you have the same luxerise that people who are straight can enjoy. It's a matter of pride. *haha*

[DarK DeatH]

Hmm... I'm not favorable to it... I mean, according to crhistianism, God made man and woman, and those are supposed to make couples and have children and all... I think that "gay" is like, breaking that thing... I don't know how to explain, but in my opinion, it is not right.

[Justin]

Don't assume I feel threatened by anything. You'll find, once you've been here long enough to see how I react, that I'm not easily offended religiously.

A Christian marriage is ordained of God. I understand you don't need to be married to love, and I understand there are marriages outside of Christianity. The only point I attempted to make was that I don't care if homosexual marriages take place, so long as they understand it's not of the God I serve.

Also, you're assuming I believe people are born homosexual. I don't. That's a debate you can take up with me privately, though, if you so choose.

This is a touchy subject, as you've proven yourself. I'll do the job James put me in my place to do. You let me do that job, and take any complaints of it up with a higher authority.

I'm indeed sorry for offending you, since I honestly tried not to make any offensive statements. However, I won't sacrifice my opinion...and I don't expect you shall either.

-Justin

[DuoMax]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DarK DeatH [/i]
[B]Hmm... I'm not favorable to it... I mean, according to crhistianism, God made man and woman, and those are supposed to make couples and have children and all... I think that "gay" is like, breaking that thing... I don't know how to explain, but in my opinion, it is not right. [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't really see how it's not right. If two people love each other, why should we care what they do in the privay of their own home?

[SadClown]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DarK DeatH [/i]
[B]Hmm... I'm not favorable to it... I mean, according to crhistianism, God made man and woman, and those are supposed to make couples and have children and all... I think that "gay" is like, breaking that thing... I don't know how to explain, but in my opinion, it is not right. [/B][/QUOTE]

"Judge not lest ye be judged."

Your bible teaches some intellegent things. =D

Btw, I think it's "Christianty" not "Christianism".

[Justin]

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: [but] [b]in righteousness[/b] shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

-Leviticus 19:15

I also ask that you not try to turn our on own Sword on us, unless you honestly know what you're talking about.

Here's what Jesus said: "Judge not, that ye be not judged." -Matthew 7:1

Here's what He said next: "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete(hand it out), it shall be measured unto you." Matthew 7:2

Therefore, those who judge with righteousness, as stated in the first verse I referenced, have nothing to fear, if you're choosing to use the Bible.
:)

But that's beside the point. No one here has yet passed open judgment on anyone, except you, Sad Clown. I ask that you be the only one to do so.

-Justin

[SadClown]

I'm not trying to "use your own sword against you," as you put it, but making a point about how hypocritical Christianity can be sometimes. I like that part about how it's ok to judge just so long as your judging righteously. Seems kinda like their trying to cover their own behinds. :)

Anyway I think this thread has now violated your preciouse rules, so go ahead and lock it. Heaven forbid that I keep you from doing your job. ;)

[eleanor]

[size=1] I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion here, and whether or not someone disagrees or agrees, there's no reason to insult anyone. [/size]