gay-ness....

[Guest Taylor Hewitt]

I believe God made man and woman to get married, have sexual intercourse, and have a child. To repeat the cycle.
But then again that's just my opinion. I have nothing against homosexual marriage and that kind of thing.

[SadClown]

I think we've got enough of that going on already. A measly 1/10th of the population NOT doing it is probably a good thing. So therefore, being gay is justified. It's so we don't all overpopulate the world! *end discussion*

[Sephiroth]

TN-what the hell, 25?! I'm not THAT old, lol, though I'm 24 very soon

Now, on to the subject, I personally do not see just what the problem is, why so many people have problems against them (not saying many people from OB). I can't seem to grasp what occurs in that persons mind, what do they think will happen?

Does someone as narrow minded as that believe that gay people will want to run around, sticking their dicks out, and want to have sex with men? If so then people like that make me laugh at such stupidity.

I am heterosexual, and I am fully comfortable in my sexuality. When I am out with the wife and I happen to spot an attractive male, hell I make comments myself like "hmm, not bad as he?" or whatever, I don't begin to start staring a hole through him in case he happen's to look near my "girls" direction and start causing crap.

In any case, those with views as stated above are therefore implying that heterosexuals would do the same, so why they believe gays would act like that is completely beyond me.

Regarding the subject, I myself have absolutely NO problem with gay people, one of my friends is gay and I treat him no differently to any other friend of mine.

Also, regerding my middle eastern status, I am no longer muslim because of many problems muslims seemed to have with me and my apparently "sinful" views such as wedding a non muslim girl, having a kid with her, not thinking ill of homosexuals, etc.

Crap like that just made me say "forgey you guys then", flipped the finger, and am now no longer muslim, but still have my own beliefs in god, just because I am not part of a religious group does not mean I do not believe in god.

[Dragonballzman]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subversive [/i]
[B]I have read [B]the Bible[/B], and as [B]it says[/B] to be gay is wrong- thats all.

While I agree with this I do not hate the people who are, that would also be wrong. [/B][/QUOTE]

You appear to be forgetting that some people, such as myself, don't really care what the Bible "says".

I haven't met anyone who is admittedly gay, so I don't really have a right to cast an opinion on them. I doubt the idiots who mockingly imitate them, using mega high pitched voices, fluttering eyebrows and stroking another random guys arm while asking if he wants to see his dick have either. That's one of the many things that annoys me, how people assume that all gay people are transvestites who try to hit on every boy in sight and have a really soft, feminine voice. >_<

[Biida]

Considering that I am bi-sexual, my opinion on this is probably going to be rather varied compared to those of (some) others.

I don't see what the problem is with being gay. A few of my male friends are gay, and a few of my female friends are lesbian. The majority of those I know are bi-sexual as well, though. I see nothing wrong with public displays of affection from either straight or gay couples. I admit, if they start going too far (over-the-edge tonguing, groping, fondling, etc.) with it, then it gets to be way too much.

Before I embraced my sexuality, I'd never had a problem seeing other women paired with women (since I'm a girl), even though quite a few of my friends did have problems with it. I mean, if someone's in love, or in a relationship, there's not any real reason that they shouldn't be "allowed" to show how they feel about each other.

As for homophobia, I don't see what the point is. Straight people usually don't want gays hitting on them, and from what I've seen (coming from my gay friends' opinions), most gays are just as uncomfortable with straight people making a pass at them.

And I'm not a religious person, nor do I want to start a useless debate. So I'm just going to avoid commenting about anything to do with religion on this subject.

May I also add, not everything I say in this post is necessarily going to be proven or not proven. So please spare me from trying to correct me on a few thousand things. It's my post, with my opinion. ^_~

[Guest Taylor Hewitt]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Subversive [/i]
[B]I've already said this many of times, but here's my view on things.

I have read the Bible, and as it says to be gay is wrong- thats all.

While I agree with this I do not hate the people who are, that would also be wrong. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes but not all of the people of the world are Christian or Catholic.
I mean I am Christian but I'm just saying.

[GreenEyedDragon]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Sage [/i]
[B]Luckily nobody has yet brought up religion... :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=red]sorry, i really had to bring it up, as to further explain how i think..

I recently went on a mission trip to washington D.C. with my youth group, and every night we would have bible study. The first night we were there, the female chaperone introduced the subject as:[/color]

There is an episcopal dioceses in (an eastern state, can't remember) where they are ordaining a bishop, and one of the candidates--the one more likely to be ordained, although not really supported--is gay. Our bishop of our episcopal dioceses of Dallas has stated that he is against gay clergy members, and if this man is ordained as a bishop, he and other dioceses who have spoken against it will break away from the rest of the churches who accept gay clergy members. How do you feel about this? About our church splitting up over homosexuals?

[color=red]WELL, that night we had a very long discussion about how it wasn't fair to the man who wanted to be a bishop and was being made such a big deal over because some people are against him. It has been found out that there are horomone imbalances that cause homosexuality, and genetic 'defects'. We argued that its not the fault of homosexuals that that is how they feel.

In general we all agreed that this is pointless discrimination and we should accept homosexuals for who they are, it is no fault and its not an 'issue', it is just how they were made, and EVERYTHING happens for a reason. We were not meant to go around judging people and how they are and how they act. We weren't meant to discriminate just because someone isn't JUST like us...that's all bull anyways, no two people are exactly the same.

I personally believe that people shouldn't make such a big deal about it...I mean, we can't force people to not be gay, and we can't change anybody else either. Think of it this way: For maybe hundreds of years men and women who are homosexual may have been so afraid to express how they felt that they went off and married the opposite sex and lived in misery for the rest of their lives...

so, why can't we just let them be who they are? just let them alone...[/color]

[Chaos]

"Look! A Christian that doesn't hate on gays and isn't one! Controvercy! He's not a priest! Oh my Gosh, he's straight! INJUSTICE!"

Don't you just love hypocrits? Personally, I think Taylor Hewitt dissed the fool that started this topic the best. It really says something to all homophobics.

Have fun with what remains of your existance, Shinobi1827. It won't last too long, I can tell you.

[Guest Taylor Hewitt]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Chaos [/i]
[B]"Look! A Christian that doesn't hate on gays and isn't one! Controvercy! He's not a priest! Oh my Gosh, he's straight! INJUSTICE!"

Don't you just love hypocrits? Personally, I think Taylor Hewitt dissed the fool that started this topic the best. It really says something to all homophobics.

Have fun with what remains of your existance, Shinobi1827. It won't last too long, I can tell you. [/B][/QUOTE]

I can't thouraly decode this post to make up my mind whether this is at my expense, normal, or just a complement.

[Hybrid]

I don't have a problem with Homosexuality, two of my friends that I grew up with admited that they were gay a year or so ago, I don't think of them as being any different to the two guys I used to play football ect. I treat them the same has I've always have, I don't give them any special treatment, and they don't expect any.

As for religion shunning homosexuality, well I couldn't give a ***** about religion says about it, I hate religion and all those that follow it so blindly, people need to believe in whats in their hearts not in what some book tells them is right or wrong.

[Anti]

Here is what I think...

Gays? meh, Im not one and Im indifferent to one, if a friend is, great for him, jsut know where the boundries are. Their choices, their consequences, not mine.

I do find it amusing when people comment on things like bigotry, racism, equality etc etc...then turn around and demand more then equality is. Guess what? as long as the world is mostly one way then people ill shun the different, whats equality? and I won't take **** about people acting like cause they are a minority culture (there is but 1 race.), have a different sexual preference, or are of the opposite sex, that they don't commit the same **** (inequality to those that are different, unacceptance) jsut they are smaller groups. Anyone who says otherwise I say dosn't know humans, human behavoir, or does and is overly optimistic. If Homos(and we still exsisted as a race...)/Minoritys/Women were the majority do you think they wouldn't have discrimited and been bigots? they would have. period. They are today, period. Not all, but then again not all of the majority/opposires of the above are either. humans are social animals, where society exsist so does conformity, where conformity exist so does bigotry/culuturism (racisim if you prefere) /sexism/religiousism. So I ask rhetoricly (or pm me if you like) what is equality?

[Subversive]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dragonballzman [/i]
[B]You appear to be forgetting that some people, such as myself, don't really care what the Bible "says".
[/B][/QUOTE]

Well thats your problem...sadly you don't care. I wish that you would, but frankly if you don't care- it doesn't make it dissapear off the monitor.

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SadClown [/i]
[B]You don't go around hitting on every girl you see.[/B][/QUOTE]

Not exactly true...

[AzureWolf]

Ok, most of you have stayed on track, but too many of you have strayed away from the topic. The topic is how you feel about gays, not whether gayness is right or wrong. Those two questions are extremely different, as the latter has a great level of depth that could be explored in many directions. Scientifically, religiously, and logically, you will, after going to the core, end with gayness being wrong. Philosophically, it's a stalemate. Still, that isn't what the topic is about.

People can make comments such as, "I don't see what's the difference/big deal of gays," but how far does this "let people love" philosophy of yours go? Ok, you think gays are fine, so then how about someone who dates his/her mom, or a father and daughter/son grouping? Yeah, you all blinked. Why? You will probably answer by saying incestuous relations are wrong, and then also give the same reasons that people use to argue that gayness is wrong. Well, [I]HOPEFULLY[/I] you will, or (well, first off, whoa, :eek: ) you guys are just on a whole different mindset than I. Personally, I don't see any difference between gay relations and incestuous ones (and other out-of-the-ordinary relationships), so how could you disagree with one and not the other?

[TheShinje]

[size=1] I don't have a problem with gay people showing affection. That doesn't bother me at all. My faith is more than rules it's a fellowship with my creator, so that doesn't bother me either.

No one has successfuly told me who I can or cannot love and they never will. I choose to love someone because I genuinely love them.
So what? go and love who you want to love and leave me alone ok?

I don't like that tile "gay-ness either, it sounds mildly insulting, as if it were a disease. Can someone change it? [/size]

[SadClown]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GreenEyedDragon [/i]
[B][color=red]

It has been found out that there are horomone imbalances that cause homosexuality, and genetic 'defects'.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

Show me proof of that NOW! :flaming:

And furthermore, I agree with Shinji, I think the tittle should be changed too. Gay-ness, lol.

[James]

[color=#707875]This is seriously the exact same as the situation with black people in America during the civil rights movement.

My feeling is pretty basic on this subject, in the sense that I think that when our generation is middle-aged...a lot of the homophobia that exists now will be gone. It's the same as racism. There will be a time when using religion as a way of discriminating against someone won't fly (and it often doesn't fly now, but you know what I mean).

That's my feeling on the raw discrimination issue.

As for whether you are comfortable with it or not...well, what can I say. If you're one of these people who gets all angry when you think some guy is hitting on you, you're an idiot. lol

People like that are [i]so[/i] insecure about their own sexuality. Maybe it hits you too close to home and makes you afraid that you might be "one of them"? Come on, people. It's not like you'll turn into a zombie or something. If you are uncomfortable with homosexuality, I think that maybe your own "heterosexuality" isn't as rock solid as you first thought. People like Semjaza -- who are no less comfortable with homosexuality than heterosexuality -- are like that because they are [i]confident[/i] in their own sexuality. Why be threatened by it? It's stupid and ignorant.

*shrug* I don't know what else I can say. Most people here have expressed it better than me -- I'm glad we have such a tolerant boards.[/color]

[Sandy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AzureWolf [/i]
[B]Scientifically, religiously, and logically, you will, after going to the core, end with gayness being wrong.-

-Personally, I don't see any difference between gay relations and incestuous ones (and other out-of-the-ordinary relationships), so how could you disagree with one and not the other? [/B][/QUOTE]


[i]Please[/i] somebody hold me back, because I'm about to do what they usually do in Jerry Springer!!! :flaming:

ARGGH!!! *breathes heavily, repeating: "No flaming, it's against the rules... No flaming, it's against the rules..."*

[i]Now[/i] *puts on a stiff fake-smile, like this: :toothy: * if you're implying (in the first sentence I've quoted) to the fact that people were only meant for [i]breeding[/i], I ask you: Aren't we overpopluated yet? Doesn't about half of all humans live in poorness? What about singles, or couples who don't want children? I bet you don't judge [i]them[/i]?

Religiously? You think all religions bash homosexuality? You'd rather listen to shepherds and carpenters from behind 2000 years than the voice of reason, not to mention thinking on your [i]own[/i]? Do you think that if nobody had told you homos are something to be feared, you'd actually hate us as much as you seem to do

Logically? Logically you don't make any sense! What's the logic in that some people are allowed to live and others not? That some group of humans should just deny themselves from being what they are?

AND the second sentence?! Oh, I ought to just... You... :mad: GAH, I won't even bother to comment on that, I just wanted everybody to notice.

Oh, I'm so ANGRY! Just leave us be! What the feck have we/the gays before us done to deserve this?! Have you any idea how much this insults me? That because I prefer male beauty over female, it's the same than screwing with my mother/father/sister/grandma/cat?! AH! *bitchslap*

*Now Sage walks away, fuming from his head*

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AzureWolf [/i]
[B]Ok, most of you have stayed on track, but too many of you have strayed away from the topic. The topic is how you feel about gays, not whether gayness is right or wrong. Those two questions are extremely different, as the latter has a great level of depth that could be explored in many directions. Scientifically, religiously, and logically, you will, after going to the core, end with gayness being wrong. Philosophically, it's a stalemate. Still, that isn't what the topic is about.

People can make comments such as, "I don't see what's the difference/big deal of gays," but how far does this "let people love" philosophy of yours go? Ok, you think gays are fine, so then how about someone who dates his/her mom, or a father and daughter/son grouping? Yeah, you all blinked. Why? You will probably answer by saying incestuous relations are wrong, and then also give the same reasons that people use to argue that gayness is wrong. Well, [I]HOPEFULLY[/I] you will, or (well, first off, whoa, :eek: ) you guys are just on a whole different mindset than I. Personally, I don't see any difference between gay relations and incestuous ones (and other out-of-the-ordinary relationships), so how could you disagree with one and not the other? [/B][/QUOTE]

How can you even compare homosexuality to incest? Flip your "psychology" over... do we compare being straight to being incestuous? NO! Hell no! What the FUDGE is the matter with you?

Please do yourself, you freinds, your family (or maybe not cause they probably taught you this crap you speak of) and the world a favor and shut the hell up and never ever talk again. It pains me that you contain so much stupidity, bigotry, arrogance and ignorance in your words, mind and soul.

OMG, No wonder everyone is afraid to come out. I would hate to have to try to deal with you personally. I'd shoot myself cause your complete lack of respect and logic would pain me so much, only death would ease the pain.

[James]

[color=#707875]AzureWolf, you really deserved both of those posts. Comparing homosexuality with incest immediately disqualifies you from having any kind of "educated" opinion. You know, there are people who compare interracial marriages with incest, in the same way that you've compared homosexual relationships with incest. You might say that interracial marriage is "out-of-the-ordinary" or whatever, but obviously, just because it's in the minority doesn't mean that you or anyone else has the right to declare that it's wrong.

I just can't understand the gall of a person who wants to stand in front of someone else and declare their entire relationship [i]wrong[/i]. It's the height of arrogance, ignorance and stupidity. I shouldn't even dignify AzureWolf further by going into it. There are some people who will simply never understand the concept of human equality.[/color]

[Guest Fiasco]

[size=1]Ok, what I'm gonna say I bet some with quote me and yell at me too so I can feel special ;). But I don't like gay people, infact, at times I hate them. Why do they have to be so different? Make their voices sound messed up? Wear some weird clothing lines, and wear them differently then you should wear them? Have to be like a girl, meaning more in-touch with their feminine side. Were they like that when they were kids? No, I seriously DOUBT it. One day, they decided they were going to be gay because they couldn't get anyone of the same sex. Most of the gay people out there aren't REALLY gay. They aren't naturally gay, they choose to be gay. And to say your gay and your a Christian. Oh my word, that pisses me off to the ends of the Earth, it's AGAINST the bible to be homosexual or take parts in any homosexuality.

And the reason why I don't like two guys kissing is cause I'm not gay...Plus the 2 girls can normally kiss better and make it look NIIICE...Hehe.[/size]

[Evisoun]

Fiasco - I think you've been watching a little too much Jack from Will and Grace. Please, educate yourself away from the TV. And for the future, just so you won't embarrass yourself, I'll give you a tip. Animals can not talk or enlarge themselves. Especially bright yellow birds.

[quote]plus, the 2 girls can normally kiss better and make it look NIIICE[/quote]
Are/do you want to be a lesbian? I'm sure I can gather some charity money for you.
You've been watching too much porn. Go outside and take a walk. Don't take that juicy juice with you.

Edit: Stupid computer.
[QUOTE]And to say your gay and your a Christian. Oh my word, that pisses me off to the ends of the Earth, it's AGAINST the bible to be homosexual or take parts in any homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
It's against the bible to lie. It's against the bible to hate. There's a lot of things that is against the bible. Christians are sinners. That is a fact. But they chose to say that they are sinners and ask Jesus to forgive them. They will still sin. Do not talk of what you don't know.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Fiasco [/i]
[B][size=1] But I don't like gay people, infact, at times I hate them. Why do they have to be so different?[/b][/quote][/size]

[color=#707875]Aww. Why do they have to be so different? I've never heard a more silly question.

They were [i]born[/i] different. It's like saying "I hate people with downsyndrome! Why do they have to be so different?!?!"[/color]

[quote][size=1][b]

Make their voices sound messed up? Wear some weird clothing lines, and wear them differently then you should wear them? Have to be like a girl, meaning more in-touch with their feminine side. [/b][/quote][/size]

[color=#707875]How [i]stupid[/i] could these reasons possibly get? Their voices sound messed up?

Geeze. So every time you hear a person with a voice you don't like, you immediately hate them?

As for clothes...who said that ALL gay people weird "weird" clothes? God. I've never seen such a generalized, ignorant statement.

And who said that all gay people are "feminine"? That's another generalization, which proves that you know little to nothing about gay people. I think you'll find that [i]most[/i] gay people [i]aren't[/i] feminine and that most are hard to recognize (simply because they aren't feminine -- they're the same as you...shock, horror!)[/color][quote][size=1][b]

Were they like that when they were kids? No, I seriously DOUBT it.[/b][/quote][/size]

[color=#707875]Oh geeze. Yet another silly comment. Of [i]course[/i] they were like that when they were kids. Ugh.

Sure, they may not have dressed in the same way. But you're talking about the small percentage of gay people who actually do dress unconventionally. So what? Are you going to start hating people who dress differently to yourself? Are you going to hate arabs because of their headdresses? Are you going to hate Indians due to Turbans? No. Don't be so utterly foolish.[/color][quote][size=1][b]

One day, they decided they were going to be gay because they couldn't get anyone of the same sex. Most of the gay people out there aren't REALLY gay. They aren't naturally gay, they choose to be gay.[/b][/quote][/size]

[color=#707875]Oh yeah, [i]that's[/i] logical. Please...someone hold me back. Now [i]I'm[/i] trying not to flame.

That is the most [b]stupid[/b] comment I have heard in my entire life. I can't even begin to tell you what's wrong with it. lol

Don't you ever hear of situations where women fall for gay men? And why would anyone choose to be gay? That's just ridiculous. I don't even know how to respond to this...I'm too angry. Maybe somebody else can.[/color][quote][size=1][b]


And to say your gay and your a Christian. Oh my word, that pisses me off to the ends of the Earth, it's AGAINST the bible to be homosexual or take parts in any homosexuality.[/b][/quote][/size]

[color=#707875]Once again, this just smacks of idiocy. Not only are you making vastly incorrect assumptions about gay people, but you're also telling people what religion than [i]can[/i] or [/i] can't[/i] be. [/color][quote][size=1][b]

And the reason why I don't like two guys kissing is cause I'm not gay...Plus the 2 girls can normally kiss better and make it look NIIICE...Hehe.[/b][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#707875]Oh, but...gay guys aren't [i]really[/i] gay, they just CHOOSE to be gay because they can't get chickz?!?!?!!

Please, someone help me here. lol

It doesn't surprise me that you would be okay with lesbians kissing and not guys. Don't you see how utterly hypocritical and sexist that is?

Ugh. You, my friend, are a small-minded, immature, ignorant biggot. If I banned people purely for being ignorant, biggoted maniacs, you'd be the first on my list. Sorry, but your post is just totally unacceptable -- even people who disagree with homosexuality would [i]never[/i] be arrogant or stupid enough to make some of the outlandish claims you've made here.

*sighs* I think I need to get my blood pressure checked. [/color]:flaming: :flaming:

[Sandy]

Or maybe this thread ought to be closed... It's just making people (read: me!) angry AND sad. I just hope that people in my life aren't like some of you, because in that case I'll NEVER come out of the closet... :rolleyes:

[JJ]

James take deep breathes. In and Out In and out. Don't be mean to the and I quote small-minded, immature, ignorant biggot end quote. He is a newbie and in no way able to call himslef an American if he can't except others for what they are. I can't believe you Shinobi. What's the problem?It's not like they do anyhting out in public I mean come on dude! I respect everyone's answere but people we are turning into another Iraq. In which I mean we all hate someone who is different. This is the problem with Todays society. We can't just acept one another for who they are. Instead we judge them by thier sexual prefernce or Religion or color or nationality. I now conclude my rant with this one statement. DEAL WITH IT! Thank you.