Zen Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I open this page to see what you the anime fans think who i the greatest Gunfighter of all time?:worried: Will Vash the Stampede leave the competion with bullet holes in them or will Spike Speigel turn the competeors into swiss cheese. Or could the under dog Gene Starwind come out on top. You decide... :smirk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostProphet Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Vash....he's yet to kill anyone, which proves he's a very good marksman...he does it on purpose...c'mon people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpheedpilot Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 But Vash did in fact kill someone! Legato! I hated him so much....... In all...i'm thinking Gene Starwind will come out on top..I mean, c'mon he has over 9 different types of shells! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Another topic like this came up about the best swordsman... I posted in it, just as I am this topic, and just as before, I do not plan on naming a "best fighter." Instead, I would like to remind you guys that there are far too many gun fighters to just keep your sights on vash, gene, and spike. I mean, dont you guys remember all of the great gun play from movies like ghost in the shell or the moves from that chick in the movie kite? I cant personally think of that many gun fighters at the moment, but, there IS a point to my post. That point is that arguing over who is the best is just not cool... and probably against the rules. However, I would love to see you guys talk about your favorite gunman and what makes them so great. Personally, I like wolfwood because he was a bada$$ and he was willing to do what it takes to win the fight. I also loved the major from ghost in the shell. (kusanagi I think was her name) She had that awesome camaflauge and some really mean hand to hand moves to go with it. Plus her guns were super bad as well as realistic. Also, Im not sure since I haven't seen it, but I bet the animatrix has some really awesome gunplay and some really bad dudes doing the fighting. I dont know... but remember fellas ! Its not about who is best, just who is your fav. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostProphet Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Loose Ruth was pretty good too....I like his rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamme Immorale Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GoKents [/i] [B]Its not about who is best, just who is your fav.[/B][/QUOTE] It really isn't. Marksmanship is a skill. All skills can be judged. If one does a better job, they are the best. Judging "good and bad" is a matter of opinion, but it is not a matter of favorites. I would have to go with Vash T.S. on this one, ladies. I mean, like the first reply said, he can go without killing anyone in a shootout. When he had to kill Legato, it wasn't anything to do with his skill since it was the only way to save Meryl and Milly.. Millie... how ever the hell you spell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Well, I gotta disagree, because when you get into an argument about the details of who is a better gunman, your gonna run into problems with fanboys (like me:D ) who care about little things like the fact that vash is not a human that can be sloppy enough to get shot by some average fool. (yet live only due to his super-human abilities) Then you have the idea of "best" being a rating of the gunmans overall ability to act effectivly during a gunfight. With that sort of thing in mind, you have vash, who lives through gunshots by average chumps, coming out as "the best" because he would be the survivor of a death match. But when you judge it like that, you end up with who would win and those topics are even worse for the fanboys than topics like this. Thats why I say give your fav. explain why he/she is so great, and then talk about whatever you want. gotta run. -------------- edit: Ok, I'm back. Just wanted to elaborate on what I was saying. Basically I believe asking for who is better on a technical sense is silly. I believe asking for reasonable, persausive, arguments about why you like a certain person is the best way to take a thread like this. In combo with inability to determine a scientific best, thats the only way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamme Immorale Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Like I said, judging a skill is an opinion based on good or bad. Not based on who your favorite is. If you bring who is a better character into an arguement, you are not discussing what the afore metioned topic is about. So therefore, the topic is who do you think is the best skilled gun fighter. Not who is your favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InuyashaDeamon Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 In mmy oppoin the best gunman would be Vash because if you didn't know that vash was vash in the beging you proabably wouldn't notice it in the first place. he makes it semi that he incompitant and just have luck and no skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 [size=1] My favorite gun fighter is Spike, but I'd have to say that the best is Vash. I mean, he can dodge bullets and all that stuff, even he does it in a goofy way. [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pyckelo Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 My favorite is Alucard from Hellsing. From what I remember, he never missed a shot, and he's got TWO guns. Plus the guns are cool 'cause they're oversized an supa powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Meh... this is kinda pointless cuz Vash is undoubtedly the best gun fighter in terms of skill. But then again, if you consider the overall person as a gun fighter, Vash is way too emotional and vulnerable in parts. I prefer Wolfwood cuz he will kill if his life is threatened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Yeah, you know, this is actually taking shape to me because we are starting to distinguish between best in a tech sense and fav. as a charactor. I guess my point was that a discussion that ends up being a simple question- who is the best? Is a question with one answer, therefore has no room for discussion in a deeper sense than 2 or three sentences. Any way... I also thought of another cool gunfighter... Iria, she was a cool chic charactor in maybe a couple movies. Sci-fi used to show her. She was pretty mean and could fight on some next level ****. I also thought of the people depicted in less common flicks like jinro. All of these people are depicted in different levels of "reality." I would love to see an animatrix fan move into this discussion. I bet bullet dodging and super human speed is nothing in that world. So I ask, what is your favorite depiction of a gunfighter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syk3 Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SilpheedPilot [/i] [B]But Vash did in fact kill someone! Legato! I hated him so much....... In all...i'm thinking Gene Starwind will come out on top..I mean, c'mon he has over 9 different types of shells! [/B][/QUOTE] Lol, that wasn't really the point; Vash was aiming at Legato and [i]intended[/i] to kill him. He was just saying that Vash has never killed anyone by accident, because he's so good with a gun. As for Gene, just because he has a lot of shells doesn't mean he's good at shooting. That's like saying I'm a better gunman than you because I have more bullets. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maladjusted [/i] [B][size=1] My favorite gun fighter is Spike, but I'd have to say that the best is Vash. I mean, he can dodge bullets and all that stuff, even he does it in a goofy way. [/size] [/B][/QUOTE] I agree, wholeheartidly. I prefer Spike as a favorite gunman, due to his sort of badass attitude. I love his skill, and while he's not perfect, he is probably the gunman of whom I most idolize over. Vash is probably the [i]best[/i] gunman in terms of skill from what I can tell. His aim is so precise that even when he doesn't try, his bullets never miss their target, such as when he was drunk in "Quick Draw". That certainly may be because he doesn't have many human flaws, but we're talking about the best anime gunman here, not the best anime human gunman. :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emme888 Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Vash is the best gun man, but I have to give it up to man boy Spike. But Vash has it, courage, Humor, compassion, strength...oh how cool is he. Trigun is back on Adult Swim, YEAH!!! GO WATCH... NOW!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasrai Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 [COLOR=blue][SIZE=1][B]I'd have to say Vash, he just is one of the best gunfighters I've seen, not to metion one of the goofiest...[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inuyashaluver12 Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 emme888 i agree vash the stampede is the best gunman who eva lived :p tasrai u are so right he might not seem like the best but he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Asuka Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 [color=hotpink][size=1][b]inuyashaluver12[/b], I've already warned you in another thread, but here I see you in action again. You have triple posted and most of it is complete spam. Please clean up your post quality so that others may read what you are trying to say. [b]Flame Immorale[/b], posting that picture was just as much spam as the rest of it. Please do not do that again.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 [COLOR=seagreen]You know Sousuke Sagara is a good gunman. I have seen 7 episodes of full metal Panic and he was really good. I plan on seeing more. I think he could beat Spike. Then again I think Vash tops all of them. He is such a great gunman, but could fix his gun if his life depended on it. But that's not the point. The point is that almost wherever he aims his gun to go it goes there. And in my opinion that is a great gunman.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinmaru Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 It's really no contest. Vash would simply outgun everyone else without even trying. He was born with abilities far beyond those of a normal person and I just don't see how anyone could really compare (no matter how impressive they may seem in their anime/manga). The fact of the matter is that Vash would probably win without even trying very hard. He just chooses not to lead a life of violence. With that said, my favorite gunman is definetely Spike of Cowboy Bebop, because he does it with style. That's not to say Vash or anyone else doesn't do it well, but I just like the way that Spike goes about his business; with a cool air of confidence that's matched by no other person. That's why Spike is my favorite anime gunman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Posted July 17, 2003 Author Share Posted July 17, 2003 Some of you say that there are alot of Gunmen, but your wrong. THere may be ANime and MAnga with guns in it but, but there are only a few with main characters that are a gunmen. And i also forgot, Jigen from Lupin the 3rd is pretty awsome too. I see all of you have said Vash, good Choice. He is the greatest. But there are many other choices, you just have to think. Oh and by the way, Vash wasn't drunk in "Quick Draw", he was just hung over because he drank alot the night before. [color=hotpink][size=1]You have GOT to stop with the double-posting nonsense. PLEASE, just edit your first post. *QA*[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbfrontmanvdp Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Kirika from Noir has to be i mean she doesnt even have to try and she doesnt even miss her target. She is the greatest assassin ive ever seen and the ways she kills people buy shooting through walls and shooting knives in half is unreal. Her reflexes are amazing and she is better than Vash cause she compares more to an actual human. Vash was a good marksman, but he wasnt even human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InuyashaDeamon Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 For skill it Vash second place to Knives. For style it would be spike. But overall you do need style and skill to be the best that would leave Vash because he does have style and he the most skilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mirai_torankusu [/i] [B] Vash would simply outgun everyone else without even trying. He was born with abilities far beyond those of a normal person [/B][/QUOTE] Wrong. Vash [spoiler] lived for 150 years ever sine the Big Fall. He has been in numerous shoot-outs since, and his scars do not attest to him being incredibly skilled from the beginning. Even though its a bit different, you see a flash back of Vash's past in the manga and you see images of Vash getting shot, Vash mistakenly killing someone, etc. etc. He was not born that way. [/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpheedpilot Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Enough of Vash and all the such. Lets pull out a gaming character that might as well have his own Anime. Heck, he basically does the Cut Scenes speak for themselves...Gungrave. The music for the game was Yoko Kanno (Same person for Cowboy Bebep, and the animation was done by the guys that made Trigun.) Grave. In my opinion is my favorite Gunman. [spoiler]He got shot in the head in a glass elevator and fell out of it. He got revived and is basically dead. He hauls around a Coffin on his back that has rockets and ammunition in it for use. I mean, his Coffin is basically a Gatling gun, Rocket launcer and hammer throw into one piece chained to his arms. And his Guns, well lets face, are the COOLEST i've ever seen. Grave incorporates some Acrobatic moves whenever he gunfights. He'll put the gun under his right leg and shoot a guy in his left eye! Grave will do a 360 degree spin and write his name in the poor sap with lead. He'll run foward, do a spin, put one of his guns over his shoulder and shoot a guy 20 times before Grave ever lands. He is my all time favorite Gunman, hands down.[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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