Mina Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Two weeks ago, while I was in New Jersey, there was this mews report on the cops foiling a plan by some kids, ages 18,14 and 15(?). These kids were planning to go on a killing spree and were quite heavily armed. During trial,the 18 yr old, who is said to have started this thing,blames their impulses on the Matrix. Now the question is, is this fair? Is it the movie's fault or just that the kids are insane? Or should the parents be blamed for letting them watch the movie? Matrix is the hottest movie now and lots of people have seen it, but should we really blame them for this sort of violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 The only people that are effected by the false realities of video games and movies, are weakminded individuals. These kids sound like they are simply making up an excuse to get out of the fact that they're all psycopaths. And this might belong in the Movies Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayokano Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 No way.It's not the movie's fault.I saw the Matrix,the AniMatrix,and the 2ed Matrix,I'm 12,and did I go on a killing spree,no.If the parents knew their children are completly insane,then it's their fault.But if they never knew,then no.So it's ether the kid's fault,or the parents fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 But don't these movies basicly say: "HEY! Killing ok, I didn't get hurt!" To some people. I eman, now I saw mortal kombat, I wanna go out and fight. So, it's really encourging people to do things. My friends that watch films like that are insane now. They wanted to do a play for the whole school about drugs and guns. My brother steals things, because he watchs stuff like: 'speed' 'blood sports' It's either the films or the kids aren't old enough yet to see that it's just a film. These things put stuff into your head that's not true. I say the movies are to violent and should be controlled more. Kid's are getting this killing stuff off things like the Matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Your kidding me, Thats just a HUGE cover up! I cant belive that some kids starting a killing spree would blame it on the Matrix, Come on now that isnt fair! If anything they should have blamed it on Grand Theft Auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 [size=1] What are they gonna do? Sue the Wachowski Brothers? HEY! You guys made your movie TOO VIOLENT! Now let's SUE ANIME!!! ....right. It's their fault, and anyone stupid enough to do something dangerous because they watched a movie should be punished, anyway.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 The movie does have a lot of violence, but insanity can also do it. I think the kids are plain insane. They can't blame it on a movie. It's really there fault. Not the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 [size=1] You know, I don't think they're actually...really insane...right?[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinmaru Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 It's basically the same as the issue with video game violence. If these kids' minds are warped enough to be influenced to kill because of the violence in The Matrix, then they shouldn't be watching it in the first place. It's gotta be up to the parents to make sure that they don't raise kids to be like this (not that the kid's are not also to blame - it just irks me when you have parents groups parading against issues like this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mina Posted July 22, 2003 Author Share Posted July 22, 2003 [COLOR=coral][SIZE=1]Eh..I really haven't met people like that are truly insane and I don't want to. There was this huge discussion among the media and the parents. The younger kids are going to get off on community service or something, but the older one is on trial. I haven't seen the any of the Matrix-es, but when I saw the rating for Reloaded, it was R. Yea, if you watch those movies where everything is so thrilling and action pumped,it just gets to you, but your responsibility is to curb any idiotic suicidal impulses or just don't watch the movies.[/SIZE][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 [size=1] That's sort of the reason it's rated R. Parents should know their children enough to know if they're responsible enough to watch the Matrix and not go haywire.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I don't think they would go haywire... But, my friends pick the matrix things up. One of my mates jumped off a chair and shouted: "MATRIX!" He broke his arm. He tring to make fun of the movie. Did he go haywire? But if Matrix never came out so voilent, would he have done that just like the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 [size=1] ^_^ As in haywire, I was referring to the boys who were going to go on a killing spree with tons of weapons...[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasrai Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 [COLOR=blue][SIZE=1][B]Oh come on....you know that is just a cover-up story. They are just blaming it on the Matrix because they don't want to get the blame for it. If I were the judge this would be one of the easiest casest I'd ever have....[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 [size=1] Tasrai, I'm partly agreeing with you. They probably are using it as a cover story, but I've heard of plenty of people who have died trying to do the stunts in The Fast and the Furious....[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 But it does put stuff into there mind. They'd get blame for it any way. The matrix wouldn't. Killing is a crime, you know. So, the kids would get it. The matrix is encourageing to kill. It has killing in it. If they do it, why can't other people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 [size=1] So? I can name hundreds of movies that have killing in it. The people who watch it should be responsible enough to know that they shouldn't go around killing people. What kind of question is that? If movie characters can do it, so can we! Yeah, and if the movie characters can fly and beat up 100 agents, heck, why not? That's why the Matrix was rated R. A BIG FAT R.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sculptor Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 If the Matrix really was the reason for doing it then it mush have been the last straw. I meen The Matrix alone won't cause you to do something like that. They probably watched loads of really violent movies when they were really little and the Matrix pushed them over the edge and if this is true (and I guess its just a lame excuse) then they must be pritty stupid (I mean 85% of the killing happens in a computer system! If they wanted to recreate that then go on something like GTA) Anyway there would'nt be a problem if they could'nt arm themselves in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Movies and Music don't do anything. Kids choose to do what they do. The reasons are because kids grow up in homes where they lack any parental figure and then don't know difference between right and wrong, or smart and stupid, probably cause their parents are stupid themselves. The kids are the only ones to fully blame. The parents are secondary reasons. Thats it. Not movies, not music, not anything. It's just a scapegoat cause thepeople who commit these crimes can't blame it on themselves, that would be inhuman. And ofcourse the media blames everything on the wrong things, so thats no surprise. Stupidity is the only word that comes to mind in situations like this. Every single aspect of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mina Posted July 22, 2003 Author Share Posted July 22, 2003 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tasrai [B]They are just blaming it on the Matrix because they don't want to get the blame for it. [/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=coral][SIZE=1]That is true. But many people are taking it as a serious discussion topic. They called psychologists, experts and are trying to do some analyzing thing. But it's mostly the parents and the kids. I mean, an 18 year old encouraging a shoot out? That person is considered an adult now and there is no excuse for their actions.[/SIZE][/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogki Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by vicky [/i] [B]The matrix is encourageing to kill. It has killing in it. If they do it, why can't other people? [/B][/QUOTE] That is not valid in any way, shape, or form. First of all, The Matrix doesn't [i]encourage[/i] killing at all. If kids could see nothing with death, think of the things they would be sheltered from. Video games, music, the news, books, all of these things include killing. Do you honestly think that the Columbine children wouldn't have done the [i]horrible[/i] things they did if they never played Doom, or never heard Marilyn Manson? They still would have, because kids were picking on them and no one was doing anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ogki [/i] [B] Do you honestly think that the Columbine children wouldn't have done the [i]horrible[/i] things they did if they never played Doom, or never heard Marilyn Manson? They still would have, because kids were picking on them and no one was doing anything about it. [/B][/QUOTE] Well, you certainly know very little about what happened at Columbine. Yes, I honestly believe, after listening to Rachel Joy Scott's (one of the people who was killed) father talk about it, that if they hadn't ever done those things they wouldn't have committed those crimes. Now, I'm not saying that violence in the media is the reason they did it, no, but it did play a very key roll. They didn't just play Doom, and watch violent movies, they let those things [B] consume [/B] them, in fact, they would upload the faces of the classmates to Doom and practice killing them, plus they also bragged about watching Natural Born Killers over 100 times (or some big number like that.) Plus, not everyone picked on them they chose to hate even the people who were nice to them. I believe it has a lot to do with the parents, and being responsible for what their children are exposed too. I feel that it's very important for parents to know their children and to limit what they can and can't see/play/listen to. If the parents of the kids who shot up Columbine had known what there kids had been doing before the shooting they could have maybe done something about it, but they chose to be idiots and didn't even know about the many illegal weapons that the kids hid in their own house. A lot of parents today have the stupid "whatever" attitude about how to raise their kids, they don't ever discipline them and that's what the kids need the most. Yes, I think by having violent media easily accessible to anyone it is definitely taking risks that a few phsycos are going to come up and do horrible things, but the responsibility rests mostly with the parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 I don't care about this stuff much. It's moronic to me and blaming such things is generally the role of parents not doing their jobs or congressmen with an agenda trying to get re-elected. If a song or a film or a book pushed someone over the edge, you really have to wonder how f-ed up they were in the first place. I think all those things can push emotions enough that they can have some effect, however they aren't the main factor or even a major one. ----------------------------- However, I do care about Marilyn Manson. Those kids DID NOT LIKE the band. In fact, they hated him and called him various derrogatory homosexual names. They liked bands like Rammstein and KMFDM (Rammstein henceforth labeled as "German hate music" for whatever reason. Du Hast is not about what people seem to think it is about, it's about a wedding engagement lol). It all stemmed from some girl on the news for 15 seconds who didn't even know them, claiming they were friends with the "goth" crowd that apparently liked that stuff (putting "goth" in quotes since I don't know why anyone considers Manson goth rock). It wasn't true, and it really annoys me that so many people still think otherwise. Hell, Manson is even blamed by some family for their son's suicide despite him carving the words "Sid Vicious" in his own chest. He was just a late 90s scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by vicky [/i] [B]The matrix is encourageing to kill. It has killing in it. If they do it, why can't other people? [/B][/QUOTE] Because The Matrix ISN'T REAL! What kind of moronic excuse is that? I mean come on, common sense. You obviously have none at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kei Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 [color=darkblue]Let's try to keep it civil. No need for unneccesary comments. As has been said many times before, it's just an out-and-out lie, more than likely. Nine times out of ten, violent movies may leave a rouge thought in someone's mind that they'd never act upon. This group of kids just did it for fun, and tried to pin the blame on The Matrix, more than likely because they've heard the excuse before. It's all just a sad attempt to get their fat out of the fire that probably won't work.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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