Justin Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 Cutting a minority off from the main population will only result in further discrimination. That is why segregation is against the law. Now, if they want to start a private school, who can stop them? But not a public one. -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrist cutter Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i] [B]I understand where you are coming from[/B][/QUOTE] I'd just like to note that is not where [i]I[/i] am coming from... I just thought, since this thread seems to be pretty one-sided so far, I'd bring up something from what I think would be the other side. I dunno. Because I'm pretty much in agreement with most of what is being said here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven's Cloud Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i] [B]I'd just like to note that is not where [i]I[/i] am coming from... I just thought, since this thread seems to be pretty one-sided so far, I'd bring up something from what I think would be the other side. I dunno. Because I'm pretty much in agreement with most of what is being said here. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=indigo]No, I understood what you meant...I knew that you were trying to play devils advocate. Unfortunatly, I didn't make it clear that I knew what you meant...:P[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evisoun Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [quote]But since gays are so discriminated against nowadays they need a "safe place".[/quote] That's what private schools are there for. A public school is just what it says, a -public- school. I'm not against it, but I'm not for it. The idea is interesting, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [color=#707875]Well, we already seperate schools based on gender. Why not sexuality or something else? I actually don't agree with schools that are based on one gender or one sexuality. But if you agree with schools that segregate based on gender, then you wouldn't be very consistent if you disagreed with a school that is exclusively for homosexuals. Having said that, I'm not aware of whether or not girls/boys schools receive public money. If they are private, then who cares? If you're a private school, you can do what you like pretty much. You can allow people of only one religion, sexuality, gender, etc... But if you're a public school, I think you are obligated to treat everyone in the same way. So, schools need to open their doors to everybody and not be exclusive to one group. Well, public schools, anyway. I agree with HC about it feeding more hate. You don't just seperate people into their own schools because of discrimination that has existed previously. Putting gay kids in their own school isn't going to stop them being picked on by other kids -- it'll probably make things worse. The key is to put both groups [i]together[/i] and to encourage understanding and tolerance. You can't do that with segregation.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubei Yagyou Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I also want people to know where I am coming from, Its really not fair to have a school for homosexuals (public or not) and probably have it that they wont have a hederalsexual school only because glaad will probly sue. Just like protesting to eminem even though there is free speach. And the girl scout boy scout thing, I might be annoying but I want people to see my point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbfrontmanvdp Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Holy ****!!!!! This was on 101.5 today it the craziest topic ive heard on there (what i mean by craziest topic is that everyone got into a huge argument about the issue and i think both sides had some really good points). I dont think it should be allowed, just because it stereotyping every other aspect as well. Think about it, do they have an all non-fat school (not to make fun of fat people just proving a point). If someone chooses to be gay, they have to go through everything the same as a normal kid. I know they do get made fun of, and possibly beat up i hear....but a separate school isnt going to help make matters better. Gay individuals will eventually go to college and what will happen there, no one knows yet. And what about when trying to get a job, dont think that will affect someone when trying to get a job. Some people are very arrogant when it comes to topics such as these. And when managers that are stereotypes of gay people have to pick a new employee, they may just pick someone else regardless of the gay persons skills towards the occupation. If they are just making the school just to keep these students from getting made fun of, then i think the state is approaching this from the wrong direction. This is just going to make life even harder for some students later on in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I just thought o this. It was argued a while back, if not still, that some private schools would recieve public funding via the students attending. Meaning, if a parent wanted to send their child to a private school and couldn't afford it, the state would pay for that child to go. I don't think it was ever enforced. But maybe this is what the case is about. If Gays want to go to this school, the state should fund them to go. However, I dunno the case of this, or the thinking behind it. I know it'll never happen in Florida. I suppose the correct thing will be done, whatever it is. I don't believe a true public school could be... discriminate, whether or not it provides for more or less prejudice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XeEmO Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I don't see a huge problem with this, just as long as the students attending the school want to go to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I don't agree with the idea of a "gay people only" school on the basis that it will do nothing to integrate the idea to young people?s minds that it?s okay if one of their friends or they themselves are gay. If you just put all gay people in separate schools those schools will become a target and it would be hell for people to go to. (Skipped reading page 2.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 i totaly agree with ya cloricus, it defeats understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikey Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Yes I agree with Transtic Nerve. If it's only for Gays then it's not really public either. But it shocked me at first to. I laughed though, but then I got over it. If gays can't find a school were there other people like them, then more power to 'em. Oh and I'm not gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven's Cloud Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [color=indigo]Heh...I think it is funny how many people end this discussion with "oh, and I'm not gay"...sounds like there are plenty of cases of denial out there :p I was watching the Today Show this morning and I caught a little bit of the debate (obviously the conservative arguing the point was the typical extremist) and the gentleman debating for the school stated that both gay and straight people were allowed to enroll and that no one would be given special treatment in the enrollment process. Despite this, the best argument for the school is that it protects children from being harrassed. This bothers me. I believe that there are so many different groups of people harrassed in high school that most of the gay people on the recieving end would be harassed for one reason or another. Segragating a population is never the correct thing to do. Although it may provide a safe haven for kids that are constantly bullied it doesn't help to create an accepting enviornment in our public school system.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [color=#707875]If both gay and straight people are allowed to enrol, doesn't it make this entire discussion moot? o_O[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i] [B][color=indigo]Heh...I think it is funny how many people end this discussion with "oh, and I'm not gay"...sounds like there are plenty of cases of denial out there :p[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] [size=1]Hehe, that's a very good point... Anyway, If gay [i]and[/i] straight people can enrol, that defies the whole point of the school, doesn't it? I really don't agree with a school for gays only. For one, like many of you have said, it's not going to stop discrimination or bullying. It'll only make it worse. And, okay, maybe the students won't be picked on at school for being gay, but they'll be picked on for something else, believe me.[/size] [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pbfrontmanvdp[/i] [b]If someone chooses to be gay, they have to go through everything the same as a normal kid.[/b][/QUOTE] [size=1]People don't [i]choose[/i] to be gay...[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadClown Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 From a gay point of view, I think it's a dumb idea. It's just further supporting the idea that Gay people need special treatment. Not to mention the amount of vandalism that the school will recieve from those who don't support it. They want to create a school where kids will be less harrased and I'm sure it will only make it worse. It's like science clubs for smart kids; it will just give people more of a reason to pick on you. On a side, I'd hate to think of what there mascot would be...*shutter* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [size=1] I hate people who make fun of nerds. Anyways...Yes, I agree with the fact that the people to attend this gay school will probably get even more discriminated. It's not that good of an idea...(now I'm going against what I said earilier XD) Psh. Their mascot? I guess it would most probably be an animal or some knight like every other school. Just because it's a gay school doesn't mean that their going to pick some nude man to run around. [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubei Yagyou Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rain [/i] [size=1]People don't [i]choose[/i] to be gay...[/size] [/B][/QUOTE] I dont get that, It's against nature to be gay. It cant be in someone's genes to be gay, they have to choose. You dont see animals that are gay, because they dont really have a thought of their own. Its nature to have children, being gay goes against nature. Im not being homoist or whatever its just common sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [size=1][QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Jubei Yagyou [/i] [B]I dont get that, It's against nature to be gay. It cant be in someone's genes to be gay, they have to choose. You dont see animals that are gay, because they dont really have a thought of their own. Its nature to have children, being gay goes against nature. Im not being homoist or whatever its just common sense [/B][/QUOTE] I don't want to bring up a huge gay argument, so I think it would be better if you kept those opinions to yourself.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubei Yagyou Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maladjusted [/i] [B][size=1] I don't want to bring up a huge gay argument, so I think it would be better if you kept those opinions to yourself.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE] okay I will just be quiet now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randleman Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [color=crimson]What's next, "Gay Only" drinking fountains? Oh no, I don't want to catch the gay from drinking at the same fountain. :rolleyes: Having a seperate school for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and trangenders is just another way to seperate them from society. The only way society as a whole will accept them is by having them be a part of society, not on the outside in a special place only for them.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Posted July 29, 2003 Author Share Posted July 29, 2003 I just want to remind everyone that this school's formation is based on the gay population with drawing voluntarily from other schools. Not being forced out of "normal" schools. I also want to point out something about a point tn mentioned... What you were reffering to with the gov. helping families pay for private school is called "school vouchers." Why you ask did this not go through... Well, if you watch H&C half as much as I do, you would have seen the little weasel, representitive from harlem, Charles Rangel. (D) Although he represents some of the poorest people in the nation, with some of the worst schools in the nation, he adimatly opposed giving people the OPTION to take gov. assistance (vouchers) to send their child to a private school. I personally think of this as another example of not practicing what you preach, as well as, a representitive playing it safe with the partisanship of the teacher's unions. (teacher's unions in America are openly alligned with the political left) So I guess that addresses the idea of getting gov money for assistance in paying for private school. However, the main point of this is the constitunality (sp?) of only allowing gay students to enroll in a "public" school. It is obviously wrong, but I just wanted to see where you guys all fell on this. (sorta a test for consistancy on political issues, along with some good old fashion political debating.) In the end, two things must be remembered about this... One, this is a voluntary with draw from other schools. Two, this "gay school" is only availible to students who are openly gay. (in the words of linda richmond) Discuss amongst yourselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Crimson Spider Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Atleast I know where to plant the bomb... :devil: I think it is the stupidest thing done in this millenium so far. Being gay is a choice. For whatever reason, a person has to chose to be gay in order to enter a PUBLIC school. That is even more raciest than I am against gays as it is for gays. Why don't they just tax the strait people and pay it to the people who chose to be a ***. If they would quit bi... complaining about everything and how they have no rights because of their choice, even though they do, this wouldn't be a problem. Why don't they have public schools for just black kids, or just Mexicans, or a Europeon/american/mexican mut like me-school. Where would all of the mix people fit it. A school for Queers... we know who needs to be assassinated now, don't we? The maker of that school, that's who! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleanor Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [size=1][QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i] [B]Atleast I know where to plant the bomb... :devil: I think it is the stupidest thing done in this millenium so far. Being gay is a choice. For whatever reason, a person has to chose to be gay in order to enter a PUBLIC school. That is even more raciest than I am against gays as it is for gays. Why don't they just tax the strait people and pay it to the people who chose to be a ***. If they would quit bi... complaining about everything and how they have no rights because of their choice, even though they do, this wouldn't be a problem. Why don't they have public schools for just black kids, or just Mexicans, or a Europeon/american/mexican mut like me-school. Where would all of the mix people fit it. A school for Queers... we know who needs to be assassinated now, don't we? The maker of that school, that's who! [/B][/QUOTE] You're taking it a bit too far there, Crimson Spider. Gay people's rights are [i]just[/i] coming in, and people are still protesting against it. Gays don't have nearly as much rights as straight people do. [/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadClown Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i] [B]...we know who needs to be assassinated now...[/B][/QUOTE] Yea we sure do. Thanx for clearing that up for me buddy. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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