kenshinsbabe Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I had some questions about Endless Waltz: 1)What's the point of it? 2)Why is Mariemaia being bent on world domination? 3)Why does she claim to be Treize's daughter when we all know she isn't? I'M SOO CONFUSED!!! HELP ME!!!:wigout: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShinobiOfDeath Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 1) i forgot.. but i guess ish for Relena?.. or else it's no point.. :P 2) obsessive girl.. relena wants total pacifism (dunno how to spell) and she wants total domination 3) saying that means she's sumwhat high ranking.. and shou.. ppl would respect her.. and follow her orderz and such that's only mai perspective... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domon Posted July 30, 2003 Share Posted July 30, 2003 Okay, the point of Endless Waltz is to tie up the loose ends of Gundam Wing seeing as how it ended with a cliffhanger. Also, Marimea is bent on world domination because she is constantly fed the story that she'll be ruler of the world by Dekim Barton. And the final answer is, she is Treize's daughter, Treize married Lisa Barton and they had Marimea, its so obvious I mean she mentions it and also Heero couldn't find out who the father was and we all know Heero is an expert at hacking etc. so Treize probably had his names erased etc so as to not allow any harm to come to Marimea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinsbabe Posted July 30, 2003 Author Share Posted July 30, 2003 I see... so many mystries of Gundam Wing especially. Thanx guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoNDscythe Posted August 20, 2003 Share Posted August 20, 2003 Uhhh... Mariemeia is not obsessive. She was fed a story by Dekim, but she thinks that her father's(Treize) will was to take over the world; but he gave that up about half-way through the series. Everything else is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminaire Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 [color=crimson]1) At the end of the series, quite a few questions were left unanswered: What happened to the gundams, what about Lady Une and the other Oz and WhiteFang people? So the movie answered most, plus there was some info about Trowa's past. 2) It was her father's will and Dekim Barton kinda brainwashed her into it. Being Treize's only child, she was the perfect person to threaten the peace. 3) If you read Episode Zero, it kinda explains how Mariemeia is really Treize's daughter. ~Lumi ^_^[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 I liked Mariemaia. She was an interesting lil girl. But dont all children go through a stage of "i want to rule the world"? .::. Roxanne Leifen .::. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hitiko Ayeres Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Marimea (sp?) Wants revenge for the death of her father!!! GOD!! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoNDscythe Posted October 5, 2003 Share Posted October 5, 2003 I beg to differ! I am very sure that she would like to carry out her father's "dream" in honor of his death, but that is so wrong. She was fed that load of crap by Dekim... her father, Treize, gave up on his "dream" and formally stepped down from his position in OZ. He led the final battle in the Eve Wars to preserve the peace between the colonies and Earth, and he died in battle doing so. Mariemaia was just following indirect orders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Posted October 7, 2003 Share Posted October 7, 2003 Thats like what children do if their parents have a dream that they want to fulfill and then they croak/kick the bucket, it comes to the child to fill the shoes and finish it in the memory of the parent that died/croaked/kicked the bucket. It may sound strange but i think that is what Dekim is doing but its so MEAN. I think Mariemaia could have been nicer and sweeter, and a better child if she didn't be raised by Dekim.. Maybe living with Midii Une would be better for her...if i understand Endless Waltz correctly...in the ending she's in a wheel chair and happy with Midii...its a happy smile to...not a im going to rule the world smile... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinsbabe Posted October 8, 2003 Author Share Posted October 8, 2003 I wonder how Mariemaia ended up with Dekim in the first place. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hitiko Ayeres [/i] [B]Marimea (sp?) Wants revenge for the death of her father!!! GOD!! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!! [/B][/QUOTE] I also beg to differ on that statement, Hitiko. I belive (after listening to all of your arguments everybody) that Mariemaia was corrupted by Dekim and her father had almost nothing to do with it. Dekim only told her that Treize left the job of taking over the world in her hands. If Dekim had never come, Mariemaia would have never been that way. She would have just been a very lonely, depressing child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhoenixFlame Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 prolly the reason why so many questions were left un answered was cause so many people hated gundam wing.i was one of the few who liked it...the gundams in it anyway...the deathscythe and such..the only character that i liked though was milliardo peacecraft (not zechs marquise,milliardo peacecraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonbz_3 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Ok everyone Mariemaia was being controlled Dakim like a puppet. Also Mariemaia is the daugter of Treize they even say so in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 [i][COLOR=crimson]I agree with you! I loved Milliardo and Trieze!! ^^ They were the cutest bishonens on there i think. Well thats just my opinion.[/COLOR][/] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshswordsman Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by kenshinsbabe [/i] [B]I had some questions about Endless Waltz: 1)What's the point of it? 2)Why is Mariemaia being bent on world domination? 3)Why does she claim to be Treize's daughter when we all know she isn't? I'M SOO CONFUSED!!! HELP ME!!!:wigout: [/B][/QUOTE] 1. it is the final ending to gudam wing 2. she was raised by the barton foundation and that was her mission to finish project meteror 3. she was told that by the barton foundation, she is really the niece of the original trowa barton have fun now that you know the answers :hippy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cahoots34 Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Endless Waltz was simply a shameless ploy to fatten the bank accounts of the Bandai bureaucrats. The fact that all of the die-hard Gundam Wing fans shamelessly enjoyed it is co-incidental. Shamelessly co-incidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticheero Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Endless waltz was a cool series - albiet very short i mean three episodes!!!! did they think that was enough for us fans cuz it just made me wannna watch more!!!. first off Domon is right about Mariemaia she is the daughter, the true daughter of Trieze Khusharard (yes that is the correct spelling of his name, strange i know). if you listen to what Heero read out while researching into Mariemaia then you hear him going on about her mother's side of the family. with the father unknown. how ever when you watch the bit when Trowa reveals how he got his name then you find out a bit more about Mariemaia and in the first series you learn a bit of Trieze's past - the name of Barton (as in Demkin, Trowa - um the original one that is - and Lisa) and Lady Une hints towards jealousy of Lisa as she knows she's Trieze's wife.. Don't mean to be sounding criticising (um.. spelling is not so good today...) of anyone or to be a grade A nerd or such like:glasses: :lecture: it's just that i'm a Gundam Wing A/C obsessee (yet again spelling - please don't bug me) LOVE GUNDAM WING - IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO LIVE TO THE FULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :drunk: :demon: :therock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duorocks17 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 If you read Eposide Zero, it says how Treize meet Lisa Barton...very interesting! I thought Endless Watlz was a good end to the gundam series, i mean the show kinda left you thinking about somethings and the movie really cleared it up. Altough it doesn't go into deapth about the character's history, it gives you a small taste of their backgrounds. which you didn't get to see very often in the show. In fact, i think the only one they ever show is Duo, and how he is with the Sweeper Group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cahoots34 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I'm assuming we don't need spoiler tags anymore.... I'll throw in a few for good measure anyway. The thing that intrigued me the most in Endless Waltz was WuFei's defection to Marimaia's side. Taking into account his general depriciating attitude toward most women (for example, Lt. Noin), it makes very little sense for him to have found this 8-year-old girl to be an ideal leader. Therefore, it's only logical to assume that what he really supported were Treize's ideals, isn't it? One could make some very interesting inferences from an emotionally-scarred adolescent boy's abandonment and betrayal of his greatest friends to follow the political beliefs of a far older man whom he spent an entire war fighting against. This, predictably, raises several interesting quesitons, the foremost being, [spoiler]If Treize hadn't let WuFei kill him, would WuFei still have felt the need to support Marimaia?[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticheero Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well Cahoots34 I agree that WuFei's deflecting to Mariemaia's side was very strange for him but if you look at it from his point of view (hard I know - it gives me a headache just trying to grasp the concepts of a teenage boy's mind) then you can see that he does it to get back at Trieze. By following Trieze's daughter, who though she is unaware of it is doing Demkin's work and visions as she think's they were her fathers, WuFei is actually just getting back at Trieze because he knows that Demkin is in control. Bearing that in mind, WuFei is actually following a man and not an eight year old girl.:therock: :therock: :rolleyes: I hope that you and all other readers could understand that - i'm not so sure it made much sense as it's only about 9:00 in the morning so.... :sleep: i'm not to good on the sense meter this early but then i rarely make sense in a way that otherscan understand - see what i mean. :drunk: :huh: anywho I hope that at least someone - *anyone* - understood what i am trying to say. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 [COLOR=indigo]Don't worry atleast to me what you said makes sense. But being myself I'd have to beg to differ. I don't really think that WuFei really was trying to get back at Treize. I mean first off we know that the kid respected Treize a great deal (Hense the reason he cried), and the only reason I think he'd even want to get back at Treize was Treize allowing WuFei to beat him on such a simple move. Personally I think the whole WuFei issue was to show the insecurity of the boys, and WuFei in general. What was Wufei brought up around? War, disciple, self-defense. He was brought up among strict guide lines and even when his master died those guide lines did not change. There was a definite evil and good, in his mind atleast. But when there is no definite evil, and there is no definite good what is a warrior with morals to do? True the action to defect to Mariemea's (sp) side was pretty much a complete paradox to WuFei's morals, but so was pacifism. I mean if you look at him peace was never a part of his life. He knew no peace, he was simply another weapon. While he did have friends his friends were seemingly fighting to put an end to WuFei's existance (or atleast the only one he himself knew about). Thats why I think he joined with Mariemea. Her ideals...ambitions, gave him a place in the world. It gave him a purpose and something to fight for. I mean we all know teenagers insecurities on "where do I belong," "whats the point of my life", so on and so forth. I mean I am a teenager so I can back this up, and I think thats what the key was there with WuFei. He felt that with peace he had no purpose. Naturally in the end he found out differently, but hey whats a story without some conflict? Anyways not really sure if that made entirely too much sense at all, and sorry if it didn't, but thats my thoughts![/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticheero Posted November 28, 2003 Share Posted November 28, 2003 i understand that but if ye listen to the conversation between Heero and WuFei when they are fighting in the earth's orbit then ye hear Heero telling WuFei that Treize is dead and that that fight is over already....:naughty: :mrt: you're right though about WuFei having a place it just happens to give him the chance at rubbing it in Treize's grave.... anywho...:laugh: :D bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verykawaiineko Posted December 3, 2003 Share Posted December 3, 2003 I do truly love the Endless Waltz movie...yes there was a movie as well as an OVA which were basically the same but the movie had some extra stuff. I mean the Gundam design were sooo much better.. even i could tell and im pretty mecha-challenged...I thought the story tied up the confusing ending of the series..even tho i wished for more.I didnt like "happily ever after" ending of EW Becasue think about it ,how can 5 young boys who grew up in a war filled time and trained to be killers suddenly revert back to normal teens and fit in society? Also the moive changed relena and made her see the real meaning of peace and the courage to fight for it...also i was wondering wouldnt Dekim be Mariemaia's grandfather...if he was Leia's father and Mariemaia was Leia's daughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted December 4, 2003 Share Posted December 4, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mysticheero [/i] [B]i understand that but if ye listen to the conversation between Heero and WuFei when they are fighting in the earth's orbit then ye hear Heero telling WuFei that Treize is dead and that that fight is over already....:naughty: :mrt: you're right though about WuFei having a place it just happens to give him the chance at rubbing it in Treize's grave.... anywho...:laugh: :D bye bye [/B][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://croik.com/essays/gundamwing/Wufei.tears.jpeg[/img]<------[b]The picture after Treize dies of WuFei crying[/b] [COLOR=indigo]I guess then its really up to interpretation to what he really means by that statement. I guess it seems to be a pretty much cut-and-dry statement but I still don't think WuFei on a physical level wanted to fight Treize anymore. ---------I'll try to get this to make sense---------- The way I see it is...well true while Treize was alive WuFei seemed to develope a bitter hatred for the man. Faught him constantly. That became his goal in life. To defeat Treize to show that he truly was the best of the two. To show he was right and Treize was wrong. Yet through all the battles he came to understand Treize as Treize understood WuFei. It is said that the true motives are only shown through his instincts. In essance that is what battle is. Its training yes, its discipline yes, but in the end its sums up to one instinct. To live. So anyways both soon became to understand each other, and realize that although they were fighting against each other they were on the same side in the end. (The parody of Gundam Wing in my opinion) Yet they continued fighting. That was WuFei's purpose at the time. Then Treize realized something. Treize realized that his way wasn't the right way. The way he spent his whole life on wasn't the right way, and so he felt that his life wasn't the right way. So valiantly he went into battle. Valiently he faced his rival (yet at the same time his partner) and valiently they faught. Both pouring all emotions into the battle. Treize met a fitting end to most people. Died in battle, as a warrior should. Yet something wasn't right about his death. His opponent truly didn't out skill him. In essance WuFei and Treize could go on forever, but Treize let it end. He let it slip, he allowed WuFei to kill him, So WuFei being the observant warrior he is (ok lack of originality there so what) he recognized this. Not only had he killed his rival, his meaning in life, he also killed a friend. WuFei never buried this for two reasons. 1) His fifteen and he just killed someone he grew to know not only through the face but through emotions. He truly knew Treize. 2) He killed him, yet it was not the way it should have ended. It was not the way that someone like Treize should have died. It was an easy enough manuever to get away from yet Treize ran straight into it. I mean the relationship between WuFei and Treize ended so abruptly. It wasn't that he killed just any man. As I said he KNEW this man. More than most people know their friends. He knew Treize's deepest desires and he knew his deepest emotions. So I guess what I'm trying to say through all this ranting is....... I don't think and never will think that WuFei ever faught to spite Treize. He faught because he had nothing. He was an empty shell. He had single handedly destroyed the meaning of his life, he had destroyed what had enveloped him. Now I'm fifteen and I know one thing for a fact. If I kill my friend I'm not gonna be all hunky dorey about it. WuFei wasn't holding the fact that he hated Treize. WuFei was confused because in a way he loved Treize. I don't see any other reason why a proud person like WuFei would cry after just killing another enemy. You know what I mean. Through out Gundam Wing aside from Heero; Wufei seems to have the greatest sets of morals/disciplines/Limits. He was the most dignified and honorable, always considered women inferior. Do you really think someone so chauvanistic would just openly cry? I really don't I think there was some severe emotions of loss going on. So over all that I'm just saying, that WuFei wasn't spiting Treize and in fact cared for the poor guy. Yeah did that make any sense?[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticheero Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Oh yes i can see what ye mean - it's kinda what i was trying to say without much success. i suppose WuFei joining Mariemaia's army was a way of saying that he would serve the daughter but not the father and yet at the same time it is saying that in honor of the memory that he will serve the daughter because the father is dead and otherwise unservable because others in Mariemaia's army are actually serving Treize through his daughter. ( erm i'm not too sure if that makes any sense to ye but i try to write it how's other's would be understanding it as it is very hard for me to do so):drunk: :drunk: :( if ye's not be understanding me then let me know and i's try to fix it. LOL. Endless Waltz rocks without exception to the max - erm don't ask if ye's not be knowing as it's just a saying of mine. Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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