Telekinesis..is it real or just a big fake?

[Raiha]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i]
[B]Well, Mr. I exist in more than one dimension freak.
[/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=royalblue]Number One: I'm a Miss thankyouverymuch. Number Two: I'm not a freak. Number Three: Fantasy is NOT what I'm talking about. We're interested in fact here not fanciful wishful thinking.[/COLOR]

[Guest yalborap]

Or ARE we?o.O O.o o.O

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Lets make a deal. Don't call other people a moron, and I wont call you a freaky guy.

This entire thread is about fantasizing on something that cannot be proven correct, but in many instances has been proven wrong.

Not one act of telekinesis, or psychics powers that wasn't proved wrong has ever been done by more than just 1 person.

[Valen]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i]
[B]EDIT: Now, with Uri Geller who claimed that he could bend spoons with his mind, and did so in front of live audiences. At the hieght of his fame, he appeared on the Johnny Carson show. As a joke, Johnny switched the spoon he normally used, with another one. Then when Geller tried to bend the spoon on the show, he couldn't!

Now, many of you are going to say that he could only focus on that specific spoon that he was using. But why not other spoons? They are all the exact same thing. They are all made of stainless steel metled together to form a utensil for scooping up food and putting it in your mouth. Simply put, he had rigged the spoon so he could [u]Fake[/u] bending the spoon, by using a string, actually. [/B][/QUOTE]

CS... such a simple mind...

Once you begin to use a certain object for a while, it becomes charged with your energy. Thus the reason of not being able to use other spoons [i]as easily[/i].

See, when something is charged with your energy enough, you can do practically anything you'd like with it. But when something is switched around, i.e., something given to you without being charged or charged with someone else's energy (like that carson guy holding the spoon, thus indirectly charging it), it is much harder to be able to focus on it without dispelling the energies and charging the item with your own.

[Edit]
No, it cannot be proven by human science, but it has been proven many times [i]without fail[/i] by natural science.
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[Guest Crimson Spider]

Would it help to say that the spoon was actually cracked and semi-bent in the middle afer they investaget it? He then also admitted that he couldn't bend the spoon with his mind after the show.

And these times that is has been proven with natural science. When I say that not one of these acts can be recreated, I mean that not one person, even other people who claim these telekinetic powers can do these things again. Besides, almost all accounts of this are proven wrong. So what can prove them? Alien science?

Now, lets say that an object has to be charged with your energy. What energy? I certainly hope you don't mean that 2 volts of electricity that is used throughout your body for touch, and to send signals to and from the brain. And also, how can thiis object being charged let you manipulate it, so much as to bend it let alone cause it to ignite, or float it through the air.

Also, this would mean any part of you holding the object would go completely numb, as all the signals are now flowing into the object, and not where they are supposed to go. Also, when an object is touched, the signal is sent FROM where the object is touching to the brain, which registers you feeling its texture, pressure, and heat. So energy is actually flowing away from the object.

You see, this voltage running through your body is actually a DC current, meaning that if it were to stop moving, it would be dispelled, and dissapear. This is the only thing that isn't solid matter in the body. So if he were to charge the spoon, as soon as he set it down, or quit being at very close physical contact i.e. sit it on cloths it would be discharged.

The only way that this energy allows us to move is that it causes the muscles in our body to contract when the signal is sent to them. Meaning that basically my fingers hittiing these keys is because the muscles that are in my wrist are being slightly shocked at will and causing the tendons in my hand to move.

And what about objects that are an insolater instead of a conducter? Would that mean he couldn't bend balsa wood?

Also, there is only a few things that can be classified as energy. One is potential energy, which is basically an object that can have energy, but doesn't. Like a spring that you are holding down. It doesn't have energy until you release it, which is motion. So how can he bend a spoon with energy that is not actually doing anything?

Then there is the energy of motion. Obviously, he is causing the spoon to bend not through motion, so unless he manually bends the spoon with his hands, it is not motion.

Then there is chemical energy. This is energy that is released when a substance is broken down, or when combined with another catalyst. So is he breaking down the spoon when he bends it? I think not! And he certainly isn't combining it with anything.

Then there is heat energy. This is determined by the speed of which the electrons are moving around an object. So if he were to bend the spoon with heat, it would mean that his hands would have severe burns after he was done, and that the spoon would actually be melted where he held it, and then stick to his hands after he was done bending it, further burnintg himself. He would also risk burning the inside of his hands. He could not combust from this, however because it needs to be near a fat source to combust. Puts a funny picture in your head though. So is he melting the spoon? No.

Now, Electricicity is the pure particles of energy flowing from one point to another. Basically it is just a bunch of electrons moving. So is he using moving electrons in order to bend the spoon? Well, the spoon wouldn't be bent because electricity can only be manipulated by having it travel through objects, so he could not manipulate the electricity, and thus cannot manipulate the spoon. Also, he would suffer from a neural laps each time he did the trick. Similar to Narcalepsy.

Then there is magnetic energy, which is basiclly messing with the field of electrons causing them to all flow in one way. This is one of the side-effects of electricity. So could he bend the spoon with magnetic energy? Well, it would require about as much energy as to power an electromagnetic lift, or the things used in junk yards. Which is a lot of electricity, and would suffer the same problems as above. Anything less would meant hat he could not be able to manipulate the spoon. That 2 volts of electricity isn't even enought to push a very small magent a tiny distance, so bend a highly non-magnetic spoon wouldn't be possible!

I'm sure that there is some energies that I forgot to mention. But do so little as to mention its name and I will remember it, and give you the reason why it wouldn't be able to do that either.

[Valen]

Hahaha... simply relying on 9th grade science... It goes much depper than that. The metaphysical plane is where your energies for your spirit to use are stored. Your vessel(physical body) is simple a tool. A conductor if you will. See, you have seven major Chakaras, one on the top if your head, one on your forehead (Third Eye Chakara), one on your throat, one on your solar plexis, one on your abdomen, and one on each foot. These act as gateways for the energies that keep your physical body in balance.

If one of your Chakaras are out of balance, you'll feel a different emotion. Beside the point, I know, but still. If you would like to feel these energies, I have a little trick that works.

First, make sure your hands are clean. Next, rub the palms of your hands together for about 5 seconds. Then, starting with your hands together in a 'prayer' fasion, slowly pull them apart. When you get about 6 inches apart, slowly bring them back, but don't let them touch. Keep about 5cm or so apart. Keep doing this and you'll feel resistance, this resistance is your aura carrying your energies.

You guys are thinking too complicatingly. It's all rather simple if you believe and accept unproven fact.

[Guest Crimson Spider]

And you are relying on ancient beliefs that were around shakespears time, and were disproven.

And why would there be 7 special areas of which you have energy stored? People have studied pratically every part of the human body and found nothing.

That strange, I didn't feel any resistance. Only the heat that is eminating from my hands from the friction, which is an energy that I forgot to mention. The only way that you would feel resistance is if that you think that you feel resistance. Let give an example: A doctor once hypnotized one volenteer. He then said that he was going to take a red-hot iron and touch it to their skin. He then took a semi-cold iron and touched it to them. Blisters and burn markes formed where the cold iron had touched. So the patients felt that they were being burned, but they actually weren't. Their body responded to as if it was getting burned, but it wasn't. So this resistance that you are feeling, you're not.

Also, auras were disproven more than once. A 4th grade girl went out and did a science project. So she found a whole bunch of aura "Feelers" and experomented with them. What she did was cut 2 holes in a cardboard wall about the size of each of their arms. She then had them stick their hands through these holes. She would be on the other side. What she would do is rub her hands together, as instructed to, and hold one of her hands above one of their hands, which they couldn't see. She would then have them guess which hand hers was over. And guess what? They had a 50% accuarcy. Not one of them had anything higher than 60%. Now, out of a choice between left and right, 50% is pretty low, seeing as their were only 2 choices. She tested them all, and it ends up that her other classmates could do just as good as they could.

So If I were to insult you deeply and punch you in the stomach, these "Chakras" would be out of balance?

Also, your spirit isn't on this plane, and has not contact with your body. Your soul does, but not your spirit. It stays where it is. It doesn't allow energy to flow from ONLY specific points on your body. It's energy isn't stored anywhere. It itself really isn't an energy, but another entity. A non-physical entity, which doesn't require energy to function. So you are getting energy from nothing!

And how would having this energy being concentrated in one area let you do supernatural things? This energy that cannot be seen, detected, felt, studied, or harnessed.

Maybe you aren't thinking hard enough.

[Valen]

[quote]So If I were to insult you deeply and punch you in the stomach, these "Chakras" would be out of balance?[/quote]

No... your face would be out of balance. ^_^;

[quote]And you are relying on ancient beliefs that were around shakespears time, and were disproven.[/quote]

Um, no. This dates back to WAY before Shakespear... Actually, it's pre-christianity belief... originating from the children of the earth. Actually, the christians came in and killed off most of the believers that didn't want to change their views, so very few were left when Shakespear was born.

[quote]And why would there be 7 special areas of which you have energy stored? People have studied pratically every part of the human body and found nothing.[/quote]

Who said anything about being physically there?

[quote]It doesn't allow energy to flow from ONLY specific points on your body.[/quote]

I listed the seven major ones, there are many more...

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Well, for something to exist atleast in this plane, it has to be phsycially there, or able to be applied to physics, such as energy. So that would mean that this energy that isn't physically there, isn't there. Since this is a physical plane, how could you get energy that cannot do anything here?

Before anyone gets any ideas, the term "Christian" is split up between 2 groups. Cathlec, and Protistant. Cathlecs have been known in history to cause trouble, and would probably eliminate a whole race just for their beliefs. Now, I can't say that I'm a protistant, but I know I am certainly not Cathlec.

[Raiha]

[color=royalblue]And before you drive me insane it's Catholic and Protestant. Catholics and Protestants alike cause all sorts of problems. Ever heard of the Crusades? I seriously doubt it, but this isn't what the thread's about.[/color]

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Darn my bad spelling...

Anyway, I finally figured out where that 10% figure came from! You see, a certain number of years ago, when they tested the brain to see how much of it we used, they would shock a certain part of the brain and see if the body stimulates i.e. a leg jumps. Only 10% of the brain ever cause a reaction, so they dismissed it as that. What they didn't realize that that is the part of the brain of which we use our sense of touch, and motor skills. They didn't take into consideration our other 4 senses, abstract thought, memory, simple thought, or short term memory.

Another thing that caught my eye is why Albert Einstein was so smart. You see, his paretal lobe, which is where abstract thinking takes place, was deformed and a lot larger than it was supposed to be, meaning that he could think abstractly a lot more, making him one of the smartest men to ever live.

[Guest Skyechild91]

Actually, no i couldnt. I would have to know you or be touching you.

[Guest Skyechild91]

Actually, no i wouldnt. I would haf 2 no u or b touching you.

[Guest Crimson Spider]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SailorStar [/i]
[B]Actually, no i couldnt. I would have to know you or be touching you. [/B][/QUOTE]

Um... SailorStar... what are you talking about? You might want to delete one of the posts, though.

[ih8pepsi]

[FONT=Garamond]It IS real!![/FONT]
Telekinesis is real, like it or not. A lot of you won't want to believe it, after all, it goes against what we're taught, what modern science agrees with, and on and on. However the key to this is: [U]modern[/U] science doesn't agrees with it.
Remember this, above all else: Science changes. There was a time when everyone believed that the world was flat. Now, however, we know differently.
And to those who say: "If it's real, why hasn't it been discovered before," as I know at least one of you already [I]has[/I] posted: We haven't really had a chance. Think about it. Until quite recently, whenever someone has acted oddly, even mildly suspicious, they were condemned. In the Salem Witch trials(in which hardly any witches were caught, if any), many women were burned at stakes, for acting strange, perhaps just [I]one[/I] time. And back to how the world is round: the man who first proposed this was put into jail. We've just now entered a time(at least in the US and UK) where it is safe to have your own set of beliefs, seperate from the commonly-believed, and it is safe to experiment with things like TK(telekinesis).

So, how do I [I]know[/I] that TK is real??
I have [I]done[/I] it. :D Before recently, I had thought that TK was real, but that only a select few people posessed the ability. I had tried TK, at various intervals throughout my life, and had absolutely NO results. Man, was I disappointed. Then a few weeks ago, I got bored, so I looked up 'telekinesis' in Wikipedia(which is an internet encyclopedia) and found a link at the bottom of the page. I clicked the link, which went to [URL=http://www.psipog.net/]www.psipog.net,[/URL] and found some articles there about telekinesis(it's alarming how often that word's misspelled). I read the articles and tried for about 5 minutes, but nothing happened. Then I immediately went to sleep, as I was going on a trip to Alabama the next morning. When I came back from the trip, I tried a second time and I got it right away. What I did was this: I spun a little folded square piece of paper, placed on top of a needle, which allows it to spin. It spins easily, making it ideal for beginning TK-ers, but also makes it easy for wind and other elements to move it. Because of this, whenever I practice TK on these "psiwheels", I keep the doors closed, the windows closed, my fan off, and I keep my mouth and nose a fair bit of distance away(sometimes I cover my mouth and nose, just to make sure). Know this: I am NOT lying to you. If I try to convince someone of something, I will do it using the truth, not a bunch of lies. And, if you're wondering... I am not insane, and nothing close to it. I have no mental disorders. ;) So, if you want to learn TK, a good place to start is [URL=http://www.psipog.net/]PsiPog[/URL] !! If you don't get it at first, keep trying. Like learning to ride a bike, some will get it immediately, and some will get it after quite a bit of time, but everyone can do it as long as they put in the required effort and PRACTICE! Good luck! :animesmil

[ih8pepsi]

I realize that SadClown said, on the first page, that lighting the fireworks with his mind wasn't TK(telekinesis). On the contrary, that's exactly what it is. Creating fire, or ice for that matter, is a branch of Telekinesis. Creating fire with your mind is "Pryo-TK", whereas "Cryo-TK" is creating ice(or simply making something cooler) with your mind.

[ih8pepsi]

Of course, I am fully expecting Crimson Spider or James to bounce back with a reply, probably quoting what they call "utter nonsense" and slandering it. In other words, they are being stubborn and uninspired, typical human beings, unwilling to accept that they are wrong. They won't want to believe that it's possible. It goes against what they were taught, and they will do whatever it takes to reinforce their beliefs. However, for the people who actually know of what they are speaking, who have spent hours researching and attempting the ability-in-question, there is a tiny ray of hope: There are a few of those people in the world like Neuvoxraiha, and although I cannot pronounce her name, at least she [I]tries[/I] to be open-minded.
A wise move on her part. :animesmil Meanwhile Crimson Spider, doesn't try a thing, aside from writing "witty" comebacks.
I would not be too suprised to see Telekinesis being taught in schools 20 years from now.
I recommend this article to all, even those steadfast in the opposite direction:
[URL=http://www.psipog.net/show.php?id=2]Click for the link![/URL]
Well, I have said enough for tonight. I'll be back to reply to the stupid responses of many of you, as there will undoubtedly be many of those. It's real. Get that through to your head! *sigh*

[ih8pepsi]

For the skeptics and otherwise:
[URL=http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa062298.htm?iam=savvy&terms=Paranormal+and+research]Scientifically Proven[/URL]

Take a look. ;)

[Raiyuu]

[font=Trebuchet MS]I'm closing this thread for the following reasons.

1. It's [b]really old.[/b] Please don't resurrect long-dead threads. If you feel you have something relevant to say about a topic in an old thread (old being defined as 'not on the first page of the Lounge'), the create a new thread and start the discussion anew. Think about it, you're making comebacks to someone who last posted on the subject in 2003!

2. Multiple posting. [b]ih8pepsi, [/b]if you have something new to add after posting, just hit the [b]'EDIT' [/b]button in your post's bottom-right corner. That's what it's there for.

[b]Thread closed.[/b]
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