war

[lea]

what do you guys think about war?
personally, i hate it....every time i see somthing on the news about innocent people dying, i cry :bawl: really, i do....maybe i am too soft, or somthing, but, i hide it inside.....
anyways, war is stupid. i cant see any situation, any situation at all that cant be solved with talk and understaning agreeable parties (and cookies and milk!! that usually makes everyone happy ^^;)

[Phantom]

Yea, war is bad. Yea, death is bad. Yea basically all you said is bad stuff possibly those cookies and milk too. But its all here, and its all generally unavoidable in our flawed human existence..

Personally, I just deal with it as a fact of living. 's h i t h a p p e n s' :)

[Baron Samedi]

Well, obviously war is not a GOOD thing. And there are quite often cases where both parties involved can not solve the problem over 'milk and cookies'. Their traditional hatred of each other is too great to facilitate co-operation. And sometimes people would rather go to war than co-operate. SO, while i agree that war is bad, there are some situations, which due to the unruly nature of humans, are unable to be repaired with 'cookies and milk'. Sorry to ruin your world.

[Kitty]

[color=blue][size=1]War is never good. But what I've noticed is that they are almost always started because one religion says one thing, and another disagrees with that.

Like the current 'war'. I'm not positive, but didn't those terrorists ram the WTC with the planes because they thought they could go to 'heaven' for sacrificing themselves? Or.. something like that.

Well, everytime I see it on the news, I change the channel and try to forget it. My uncle died on Sept. 11, so it's not my fav thing to hear about. No terrorism is justified, trust me.

I'm absolutly positive that no war is a good war. Innocent people dieing because someone thinks that they are inferior or they're just in the way. So many lives are taken, so many wasted. Different people need to learn how to comminucate with other contries without killing people.

That is all I have to say about the topic.

~Peace out...~[/color][/size]

[Zanshin]

On top of all the unnecessary death and destruction, the billions that are spent could be used for so much more beneficial things. The amount of money currently being spent on this war is staggering.

[Phantom]

Yea, thats one way to look at it, another way is to use the most simple analogy of everything [i]man[/i]. Strongest survives. Cavemen. *shrugs*

[Zanshin]

Now I do agree with this philosophy Phantom, yet we live a very sensitive and "politicaly correct" world. A world in which that very survival factor has all been eliminated, leaving some dinosaur like myself useless.

[Corey]

Yet in this 'politically correct' world resides the wonderful little word called hate.
It's what makes war happen.
Do you honestly think those terroists did that little stunt because they didn't like the colors of the American flag, or some trivial reason like that?
No.
They did it because someone told them to hate us.

hate=war

Be it a full-blown storm their shores attack or a street corner brawl. It all comes from the same thing, hate. And unfortunately it's also a concept branded into our very being.

[Zanshin]

I think hate is merely a spark, that starts the proverbial fire. Many factors are involved to give a war the feel of "legitimacy" whatever the case might be, in order to justify/rationalize the means.

[Epid3mic]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dbzanimegrl17 [/i]
[B][color=blue][size=1]War is never good. But what I've noticed is that they are almost always started because one religion says one thing, and another disagrees with that. [/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

That exactly like saying war is started because one person thinks they are right and the other thinks they are right. If it wasn't beliefs, it would something else, so don't try to blame human nature on religion, thanks.


Of course war is generally unpleasant, but like others have said, it's our nature. When we can't or don't want to do the right thing, we often try to take the easy way out, aka, violence. I'm not trying to justify war, but no matter how many rally's, protests, or debates, it's not going anywhere.:(

[Zanshin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Epid3mic [/i]
[B]That exactly like saying war is started because one person thinks they are right and the other thinks they are right. If it wasn't beliefs, it would something else, so don't try to blame human nature on religion, thanks.


Of course war is generally unpleasant, but like others have said, it's our nature. When we can't or don't want to do the right thing, we often try to take the easy way out, aka, violence. I'm not trying to justify war, but no matter how many rally's, protests, or debates, it's not going anywhere.:( [/B][/QUOTE] It's far too usefull of a tool for the powers at be to abolish. Man will always fight for power gain, control and gratification, often to horrifying extents.

[Epid3mic]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Zanshin [/i]
[B]It's far too usefull of a tool for the powers at be to abolish. Man will always fight for power gain, control and gratification, often to horrifying extents. [/B][/QUOTE]

Religion or war?:therock:

[lea]

:( yeah, i realize that what i said earlier was totally unrealistic......but, its what i wish for, all the time.
in my religion, its against what we believe in when, in a war, we hurt anything else besides the enemy army. we arent allowed to hurt innocent civilians, or their homes, or anything like that. we arent supposed to go to war for stupid reasons, too (cough:bush:cough) we are only to go to war if our home is being threatend (i still dont think bush had enough proof about sudamm)
and i hate the war in the middle east.....:flaming:

[animeforever105]

DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROOF OF SADDAM?? ok. I'm sorry.I won't argue but I disagree. War is most of the time foolish. Like other people said it's a part of our nature;our thirst for superiority, (sp?)eternal life (in the case of the terrorists) or in some cases just plain blood,suffering, and death. I support war if it's to protect our country but if it's over something stupid then I have to ask what are you thinking? I don't like the fact that people die innocent or in our army but in order to keep somethings, someone must die. (I know many will disagree w/me but this is the example that came to mind) Like Jesus had to die on the cross to save us from our sins. If he didn't die than we would all be condemned to hell.whatever. War overall is pointless but sometimes it's necessary.

[DeathKnight]

[color=crimson]War is an unfortunate process that I think mankind still needs to do- for now. War itself isnt silly, not in the least- its the reason that nations decide to throw money, men and armaments at each other that becomes silly.

Currently, just declareing war for straight out annexation of territory is somewhat stupid- especially since the United States is the sheriff of the world now. The mindframe being one of spreading democracy, moral warfare- not war for neccesary living space or resources.

So war is a process that is needed at times- when it isnt based on morality or religion and is actually founded on the aformentioned reasons [living space, resources- real needs]. But since democracy, the freedom to choose, is being forced [ironically] on several regimes [some of course being actually quite corrupt and evil, warfare now, even for living space, seems to be condemned just because "war is evil".

Even if the United States is currently procureing oil with ease, I guess that everyone just likes to preach about how evil it is and nothing else.[/color]

[Kent]

Ok lea,
this is an edit:

I had an angered political reply posted, but now Im a little chilled out compared to before, and so...

Sorry about that.

I dis like war just as you do.

:D
cya

[Drix D'Zanth]

Except for ending slavery, facism, nazism, and (for the most part) communism; war has never solved anything. That's my two cents.

You people are right in saying war is bad for the most part. But you fail to realize war is essential. Because we live in a flawed world through most philisophical and religious accounts, humans are .. well.. human. So there are occasions where people need to support legitimate war to protect our homes and our way of life. I could argue pro-war for the middle east if i was angst-filled enough, but i just finished my racism argument in an earlier thread.

[James]

[color=#707875]I don't think anyone [i]likes[/i] war. Who actually wants to get into a violent situation? Very few people, I'd say.

It's not a question of liking war, or wanting war. It's a question of when you feel that war is appropriate. People who say that war is [i]never[/i] justified are really ignoring history. Look at World War II. It was a case of either fighting for freedom or becoming enslaved under a Nazi world.

I tend to liken war to having a tooth pulled at the dentist. If you leave the tooth there and do nothing about the minor pain, it will one day explode into an infection. But if you undergo the temporary pain of having it removed, the area will heal much more quickly and you'll never have to experience that horrible infection.

So, the idea that you can't fight for peace is ridiculous and unfounded. Yes, some wars are ill-conceived and unjustified. And some "wars" are merely nothing but genocide. But war isn't always unnecessary. Sometimes you do need to use force to defend peace and freedom around the world. That's just how it is. It's not fun or happy or bright...but it's a reality. [/color]

[Drix D'Zanth]

Thank you James, I was beggining to belive everyone was caught up in the monomaniacal all-war-is-unjustified state. Your reply is like a soothing wind in my macabre-ridden cave of a mentality. Put it simply, I agree with James.

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Drix D'Zanth [/i]
[B] Your reply is like a soothing wind in my macabre-ridden cave of a mentality. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#707875]I should use that as a testimonial in my blog. lol

The fact that I even replied at all is based on all the anti-war stuff I see around RMIT Library in my city. Some of it is so misinformed. There are posters up along one corridor with "THE TRUTH ABOUT THE IRAQ OCCUPATION". Give me a [i]break![/i]

These people are, by and large, [b]so[/b] ignorant about war and history that they are the last people who should be making any claims about it. It just annoys me. It's so blind...it's like jumping on a cause because it inflates your sense of self importance. I just don't like the whole thing.

And believe me, there are wars/conflicts that I felt were unnecessary. But I'm not going to sit there and tilt everything so that it fits my tight little world view. Gah. I could go on forever about it, but if you're in college and you see that sort of stuff all the time, you already know what I mean. It has a greater brainwashing effect than the mass media, which is very ironic.[/color]

[Drix D'Zanth]

Yah, i know exactly what you mean, James. I go to a fairly conservative school, from a collegic standpoint. However, the anti-war crowds gathered every morning there too. I saw the signs, i debated with the protesters. I symaptize completely.
Although, one thing that irked the anti-war protesters was asking them straight up "How will keeping sadaam in power in Iraq help the situation that the world is in today?". I never did get a straight answer .. always something like "there are other options. " or "Bush is just as bad." Sure, Mr. Protestor, I remember the day when Bush gassed 5,000 Michiganders, or sent 200 Children across the landmines of Indiana. Reality Check. Please.

Finally, a message to all the mindless rhetoric-spewing cultural drones that may be lurking around the otaku boards: Shut the ******** up and listen to people like James. At least he has a real opinion.


edit: is it me.. or are there too many astriks in that "dirty word" .. oh well I'll leave it be for humor sake.

[James]

[color=#707875]I guess that most of these people have never lived in an oppressive nation themselves. You know? It's really easy to say "don't do this or that" when you yourself live in a free society.

I remember that Mohammed Al Dhouri, Iraq's former ambassador to the UN, commented that "America should not have done it [free Iraq], the Iraqi people should have done it themselves". Is it just me, or is this a really stupid comment?

The Iraqis [i]tried[/i] to free themselves on two seperate occasions after Gulf War I. And I'm critical of the US for not helping those uprisings at the time. However, we can't now turn around and say "Oh, they don't need you to do it for them." Please. If they didn't want to be free, they wouldn't have tried to free themselves twice within the space of a couple of years.

Yet, these very simple pieces of historical evidence escape the anti-war zealots. I'm not asking for them to be pro-war or whatever. I'm just asking them to be reasonable and to at least consider the opposing side.[/color]

[Kent]

Ahhhh

I see there is a spark of debate upon us once more.

I've been talking about this stuff alot lately at another board, and frankly, Im tired.

It just takes so much energy to fight for my views. Its like I just can't get my points to be acknowledged, not accepted, just acknowledged.

At this moment in time I would say we are all thinking about war again.

With the UN being bombed, the world is now getting a small dose of reality.

As first world, secular governments, all of our countries must recognize the fact that the radical islamic terrorist element exist in all areas of the world.

Whether the Phillipenes, Chechnia, Saudi Ariba, Morraco, France, Britian, or yes... even Iraq. (sorry austraillia. didnt mention you guys)

Right now the world needs to ban together in an honest and open prosecution of all terrorist of any kind.

Shoot, the ELF is a terrorist group to me... I mean, what the he11 are those people thinking when they set fires in the name of enviromentalism? :confused:

Basically, Im gonna leave this thread alone, but it's with good reason.

I have just burnt myself out on politics as of lately.

My bottom line on this subject is the same as any "reasonable" person.

War is horrible, but at times, it must be done.

Like a dentist visit or taking out the trash, its just gotta be done.

But hey, atleast now there is a big slap in the face to the UN for standing against an American led war on terror. (a war that spans all areas and crosses all borders.)

I mean, go read the circumstances of the UN bombing thread, I lay it out there and basically, I feel that the UN is screwing itself by ignoring an ideological war perpetrated by the radical muslim world.

[WW2]

I believe the band War, explained it the best.

"War, *Grunt* Good God ya'll!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing!"

Pure genius!

:)

[Drix D'Zanth]

You know what, WW2 is exactly right. Seig Heil! Whoops? Those 4 million jews? Never heard of em... no they are on vacation, Yeah, prepaid. Where? uhh... Santa Monica... check with them!

That song you mentioned was a nice bit of indoctrinating pablum, i prefer listening to music when i'm not doped up though. I guess whatever floats your boat. If you want genius, refer to the last few posts James and I exchanged on this thread.