god

[Ayokano]

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Well....There is is a God,and that formula your are looking for Singlefager is 8-T+lxQ-10000 of the square root of 5-(f-15)=[B]God[/B]

Okay,I think I'll go and jump into the ice too...

But God did make the Earth,through the Big Bang,and everything eles.That is what I belive in,because I know that there is no way God said,"Hell,I will make a planet,call it Earth,in a week all the little beings on it would be happy."

[Justin]

[quote]Can you scientifically prove that God exists? [/quote]

Not %100, but I can show that it's much more likely for God to exist than not.

I believe in God, obviously. I've stated my beliefs many, many times. If you don't believe in Him, I'm sorry--I pray that you find Truth one day.

-Justin

[Red]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B] If you don't believe in Him, I'm sorry--I pray that you find Truth one day. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=002E55]Who's truth is that, though? Yours, and maybe many others, but not necessarily everyone. There is no conclusive proof that God exists, yet there is none that proves that he doesn't.

I don't bother with this kind of thing anymore. I'm split down the middle when it comes to believing in God, for many reasons... so I'll wait until I'm proved 100% either way.[/color]

[Sui Generis]

[COLOR=indigo]The sad thing is both are arguing the sides of their chosen faith/belief using purely their belief. One can not argue that God does not exist because of science, just the same the other can not argue that science is wrong because there is a God.

Many people seperate the two and mark their battlefields. Its almost scary in my opinion how heated these types of things can be, but in my own personal expierence I've found that God and Science can go hand in hand.

I often hear people say that the most beautiful couples are the ones least expected. So far in life I think that has held true. For example. Life and death. Without each other neither would be complete, thus the two most opposite things known to man actually need each other to survive, and make this world a beauty to live in.

I believe that God and Science coincide together. Whether this God we are talking about is the Christian God, Mytholigical Gods/Goddesses, Witch's Goddess, or any other faith really doesn't matter.

Of course this is just my mindless bantering, but I do not think one can truly survive with out the other. Both ideas are as similar as they are different, much like the Life and Death relationship.

But yeah personally I do not know what I believe in at the moment, many things contribute into what I will or will not believe in.

As for some of your posts on here however its been pretty pathetic. No offense Celia but for you something may be VERY clear but for others its a dot along the horizon, whether or not they choose to believe in something you think is so obviouse or not does not make the flawed, it makes them human. It makes them different. It makes the world beautiful.

So as far as I am concerned I want the Christians to still fight for what they believe in, the scientist to continuely try and disprove faith and for the rest of us to follow their lead.

Thats what makes life beautiful and thats why they need each other!


Edit: As for the capitilization of god/God it depends on your faith. The topic is merely is there a god/God. Not necessarily a Christian GOD but just a god. So if I am correct (most likely not though) the spelling was used correctly... [/COLOR]

[Justin]

Truth is absolute, my friend. I don't know why everyone is on this 'subjective truths' trip, but it's a really big load.

"Oh, I'm high so the sky is doo-doo brown, and if anyone tells me otherwise, they're talking about what is true for them not me."

Now, that isn't the exact same thing as the question of God, but the principle is the same.

How can I expect anyone to learn the truth, when they don't even know what truth is? I can't. But God is a God of the impossible, improbable and the unexpected. So I still pray the same prayer for this backwards world.

I don't have time to finish this post as I want to. God be with you all.

-Justin

[DeathBug]

Watch out! Deathbug's actually going to give a real opinion on something important! Duck!

Anyway, I am Christian: I believe in God, and Jesus Christ. I also believe in a large portion of the Bible.

However, (and this is where several of my friends will argue), I do not believe in every single thing the Bible says. I also do not believe that following every single little religious law is going to get me into Heaven. I believe that being a good person will.

What bothers me is when people use religion as a substitue for independant thought. I get flack for disagreeing with, say, some obscure Bible verse, and it bugs me. (My thoughts on the Bible are that it, while it was meant as a historical account of God's works, it was still written by men. And men make mistakes. Therefore, the Bible has mistakes, but I still hold true to the basic theme.)

....(And before anyone points this out, I'm aware that saying the Bible is flawed is kind of copping out of religious v. scientific debates; I didn't think of it that way, but it's useful at times.)

The one thing I fundamentally disagree with, in *any* belief system, is a dogma of conversion. If you don't believe in God, then I'm not going to bug you about it. That's your choice. Similarly, I don't want to be bugged about my beliefs, or told I should believe something else. You think what you want, and I'll think what I want, and we'll see who's right when we're dead.

This particular bit of my philospihy has gotten me more flack than anything else: I believe that non-Christians can get into Heaven. If you live a good life, and are a caring and compassionate human being who tries to do what's right, then you're in, IMO. I don't know about anyone else, but *my* God wouldn't send one person to Hell and let one in Heaven if the only difference between the two is that one's a Christian and one's a Buhdist/Wiccan/athiest/whatever.

I rarely dsiscus religion, period. Most people have their own beliefs and don't want me to bother them with mine. Seeing as this is the forum for it, I just thought Id' get that off my chest.

I think that a person's faith is a deeply personal thing. I know that, while I followed my parents and paid lip service to the church, at one point in my life it became very apparent that God was listening to me. I asked for help and He gave it. That's all the proof I needed.

You can't be expected to give physical evidence for a relgious debate, because religion is a matter of faith. you either believe in something or you don't. God is a reality to me. As far as I'm concerned, He exists. So, really, i can hardly be expected to be unbiased.

If you believe in something/someone else, that's your right; He gave us free will and independant minds for a reason. Just believe in something that makes you feel happy and spiritually fulfilled. I do, and that's really what religion, (any religion) is there for.

(Man screws up the sound concept of religion by using it as an excuse to kill people, but that's for another thread.)

Well...Im' done. I think that's all I'm going to say on the topic. I'm a little copnfused about why this thread was started...but whatever.

[Guest yalborap]

Personally, I don't believe in religion. I just feel that if I can't prove it to myself, it doesn't exist/ I need to search more for an answer. So until there is proof for me that there is a god, or budha, or whatever, I will continue to believe the way I do.

[AzureWolf]

Why don't we look at this God thing a different way? Ok, say all you Atheists are right about there being no God. Now, when you die, you're in the ground and no one will ever know you are right. The end. However, if you are wrong, an eternity of pain and suffering awaits... in HELL. :devil: Hmm... I think a little time in prayer goes a long way...

Anyway, I don't know if the file will work, but it presents my view about religion and science. However, keep in mind that some parts may not make any sense since this stuff was really just footnotes for a presentation I had to do. I read it over, though, and most of it is stand-alone material. :D

[Corey]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AzureWolf [/i]
[B]However, if you are wrong, an eternity of pain and suffering awaits... in HELL.[/B][/QUOTE]

Pain and suffering...
Sounds a lot like the world we live in now.

These topics do nothing but cause rifts in friendships. Two people that could easily be the best of Ob friends can be torn apart by a simple religous debate.

And we all know when people attempt to debate religion no one wins.

Unfortunately, this is an opinionated world (and messageboard) so we can't go around making stuff like this against the rules.

Though I think it would be an improvement.

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathBug [/i]
[B]I also do not believe that following every single little religious law is going to get me into Heaven. I believe that being a good person will.[/B][/QUOTE]

I think you're a little off here, but correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure I am).

But as far as I know you don't get to heaven by helping some elderly lady to her car or throwing away someone else's trash. It isn't the deeds that get you to Heaven.

It's your love for God. That's it. Your love for God will get you to Heaven. And along with that love come all those good deeds - you want to please the ones you love, don't you? It's not just a religious thing, it applies to human relationships as well. You please God when you do things such as this.

[TheShinje]

[size=1] Wrist Cutter is right. It's loving those who do evil to you, turning the other cheek, that God emphasises throuought the Bible.

Yes, loving you neighbour is also in the [b] old testament [/b] Contrary to popular opinion in which he is an old crabby dude sitting on a throne. He is a loving God, who has set it up so that [b] if you only call upon the name of jesus, you will be [u]saved![/u]
:twitch:

Christianity isn't a nasty religion if religion at all, people have made it that way. If you were God, and your people consistently ignored you since their fall from an absolute paradise you designed for them, would you then send you only son to die a painful death on the cross? God's a lot more loving than people give him credit for.[/size]

[Guest pantalaimon]

u can't love someone who has done evil to you it really is just silly talk the bible that is and im sure there was probably a man like jesus once but i don't made all those miracles happen

[Braidless Baka]

Personally, I figure it all comes down to where you place your faith. My stand is agnostic (aka - I don't know and am waiting for something to show me). I've seen no [i]proof[/i] God exists, but I believe there is [i]something[/i] there. I don't know what it is, nor do I care to guess. All I know is that there's [i]something[/i]. It may be a Christian god, it may not be. I just don't know. I don't think that makes me right or wrong in any sense of the word. God gave us free will (assuming that he exists of course ^_~), and he loves us no matter who we are. Whichever course we decide to take, he's not someone who's going to get offended by every little thing. Surely he should be happy if people are questioning his existance, that we aren't blindly following like sheep to a slaughter. Obviously those that believe in God have already found their conviction, so [i]I'm not saying they're sheep[/i].

Even if we don't believe in God, as long as we live good lives and aren't "evil" people, we'll be accepted into an (the?) afterlife. God isn't a guy to hold grudges, from what I've heard.

So, at the end of the day, whether God exists or not is almost irrelavant. As long as we are good people and live life as God would expect us to, there are no problems. Why prove he exists? If you believe, you believe. And if you don't, you don't.

When you die you'll find out for certain right?

[Jesus Chicken]

[color=blue]If there is a god, it is something too big for anyone to understand or to think they can understand. God may be a giant bastard who lives in the sky waiting to kill everyone who doesn't obey him to the letter. If so, most of us are screwed. But thats the thing, no one knows for sure. Thats what I like about people who say god exists. You have no idea. There is no way you can have any idea, unless you shoot yourself, die, and then get up and walk around again, so tell me when you do that, please.

Personally I think there may be something out there (just like Braidless Baka) but I have no idea what it is and what it wants us to do.

Think about it, if this is god's master plan and we all have a destiny to fufill, whats the point in us being here at all? If everything that was going to happen has been chosen already.
That and the fact that bad crap happens to heaps of people who don't deserve it, so god looks like a bit of a prick to me.
Of course there's the "It's humans who cause other people pain" bit. But who created humans? This god person right. Therefore god causes the pain:)
I'm sure you all have some wonderful personal reasons for you to believe in god, but I don't think there is any reason for you to try and prove it, for there is no way to.See you in hell![/color]

[lea]

well, to jesus chicken, i think people have their own free will....i dont believe everything is written in stone.
anyways, i am not going to get into the debate. instead, i will use this thread to ask questions, because anything i have to say about god has probably already been said ^^;
ok, from what i heard already, (maybe i got confused?) but, isnt jesus god? arent they one and the same, except jesus was born of a virgin women, and god is in heaven?

(note: did you know, between the muslim and christian faith, the biggest difference is the triforce thing, with the wholly spirit, god and jesus? muslims believe in jesus, too)

[Guest pantalaimon]

Ahh jesus isn't god he is the son of god who sits with god at gods right hand the christian religion worships jesus christ for he died for humanity (i been to a catholic school since i was 4 and do not ask why).

[lea]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pantalaimon [/i]
[B]the christian religion worships jesus christ for he died for humanity [/B][/QUOTE]
the christians worship god and a human? is that what you mean? or are there different versions?

[Guest pantalaimon]

not really jesus wasn't human but i suppose u could call him half human but that would sound stupid

[DeathBug]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by wrist cutter [/i]
[B]
It's your love for God. That's it. Your love for God will get you to Heaven. And along with that love come all those good deeds - you want to please the ones you love, don't you? It's not just a religious thing, it applies to human relationships as well. You please God when you do things such as this. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, I've found that creedo to be a bit lacking, because there are way to many situations it doesn't cover.

What if I've lived in a small African village all my life, and never heard of any religion outside of the one we practice there? Am I going to Hell for ignorance?

Not to sound corny, (but all discussions of this nature invariably will), but I believe what gets you into Heaven is the quality and goodness in your Soul. All people have the capacity for good and evil; it's which side you allow to dominate you that proves what kind of person you are, and gets you into Heaven.

Really, though, I'm not cponcerned if people believe what I believe; I'm more concerned that they feel spiritually fulfilled.

I myself can't believe that all we see is all there is, or that there's nothing greater than man. I mean, if this is it, I might as well die right now, because a good portion of this sucks.

The one belief I don't understand is total athiesm. To me, it would see a very dour life to lead to think that this second-rate existance full of pain is all there is, that you are always totally alone, and when you die, you're nothing but bug chow. To me, that does not seem a very happy outlook on life.

However, if you believe that, and it makes you happy/spiritually fulfilled, (although I can't see how, but that's just my perspective), then go for it. God wants you to feel fulfilled and happy.

The other belief I don't understand is Jehovah's Wittnesses...why do they keep ringing my doorbell? :D

[Justin]

Jesus is Lord. He is God, He is one with God. He is the Word.(In the beginning there was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.) John 1:1

Jesus is called the Son of God because He was sent from Heaven to earth as a baby; but make no mistake; Jesus is Lord.

Now, to the African village question: The Bible says that all people will know God, in some primitive way. Through their conscience, I'm assuming. Now, if they ignore that gift from God, then they're mre subject to judgement. However, I doubt that their judgement would be as harsh as someone who heard the truth, but turned it away.

I'll give you my position on errors in the Bible--they do exist. There are a small handful strewn across the Bible here and there; but none are of doctrinal signficance. They're all spelling errors, or somehing like that.Now, you'd think that with the text being over 2,000 years old, that there would be plenty of discrepencies, but with over 24,000 supportive historical documents having been found, no discrepencies of any dctrinal significance are found. 24,000. That's more than any other ancient texts can boast.

Oh, and love [i]can[/i] exist in you for your enemies and those who do evil to you. Just because you don't have it, doesn't mean God hasn't given it to me.

-Justin

[Guest pantalaimon]

justin i would call u a zealous fanatic but that would be an understatement man calm down i have drowned in that icy water know brrrrr!:faint:

[DevilzAdvocate]

Idont believe in God himself, but i do believe in a god, someone or something who created this world, it cant of just appeared out of thin air now could it???

[Guest pantalaimon]

no no don't get me wrong i believe there is something i should of said something yesterday damn.

[AutoKill]

Being atheist i tend not to strech my opinion to others. I find religion to be a scape goat. Instead of using science to come up with logical facts, we say that "thats how god wanted it." The stores that are based on religion are also flimsy. So do i beleive in Jesus, no. Do i beleive in God.. no. Sure people may say that the "Big Bang" theory is stupid. And evolution is wrong. But i find both of them have better logical facts then any religion has given.
[quote]"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."[/quote]
[b]- Albert Einstein (1879-1955)[/b]
I see that in history nothing good has ever came from it. People died for stupid wars that were started from conflicting religious beliefs.
Also the Spanish Inquisition, witch people were tortured and killed for nothing other then stupidity.

[Mitch]

[size=1] I don't really care either way if there's a God or there isn't. I'm still going to die, and by the standards of my religion (Christianity) I will go to Hell when I've died for "not believing in God." So all the good things I do in this life won't matter supposedly...just because I simply refuse to believe in something until I [i]truly[/i] see it, and because I really don't see God as something that could be real. But then again I don't really care.

Either way it doesn't matter. Either way there's still something that created the stars in the sky, and this spinning Earth. It could've been simply a chain of physical and chemical processes working themselves out in the right ways that the world was created. There are some theories for that...mainly the "Big Bang" theory.

But in the end I don't want to know anyways...and it doesn't matter to me. I doubt I'll know the true answer as long as I live, and when I die whatever happens happens. Doesn't matter to me..but I'd rather that when I die there be nothing left. I don't want to live forever as some "angelic" spirit, or some "demon" of Hell. Or whatever. I just want there to be nothing...no memories, no sight, no smell. I just want to not exist.[/size]