god

[lea]

its no good arguing about religion, because our emotions are attached to them....like if somone says somthing that you take to be an insult to your religion, then you will be personally offended, like they instulted [italics]you[/italics]yourself.....know what i mean?

[Guest pantalaimon]

I finnaly decided there is something but i would say i just sits on his *** watching and maybe creating a disaster.Too many people get too touchy about their religion i don't know why people want to sit in a stuffy church every sunday morning listening to the priest preach and preach and preach and then go pick up a stale wafer and drink some bargain bin wine. well thats my say[I]PAN[/I]

[animeforever105]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by maladjusted [/i]
[B][size=1]Will you beleive there's a super-genious Dodo bird playing pro basketball while bringing Albert Einstein back from the dead and even making lasagna at the same time if it's in a book claimed to be written by the avid followers of the Magnificent Dodo Bird?

I don't think so. I beleive many Christians just stay avid believers of God since their parents are probably Christian as well. Can you scientifically prove that God exists?

I find it ridiculous how you can assume that everybody who doesn't believe in God is automatically a big moron. Why am I posting here? Because I beleive in the Big freaking Bang and the one-celled bacteria that eventually evolved into nice little organisms. [/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

"The Big Bang Theory.God spoke and BANG!It happened!"

Well excuse me!I find it riduculous in the fact that ppl believe there are aliens and no God.We haven't found aliens we have no scientific proof of their exsistence.It's crazy!But of course you probably think I'm crazy.But that's ok with me.Here's one of my beliefs in God.
"They say he walked across the waves.Supernatural.And I believe
it to my grave!"-Dctalk
I would glady die for my belief right now because I know I would be going to a better place and I get to see my dad,my heavenly one and my earthly one.

Another thing.how can ppl believe believe we "evovled" from these little one-celled organisms?Where did the organisms come from in the first place?Did they just,appear?My goodness!IT'S BEEN PROVEN INCORRECT!YOU WANT SCIENTIFIC PROOF?THAT THEORY HAS BEEN PROVEN TOTALLY WRONG!

"You call me crazy.You call me crazy.You call me crazy.You call me crazy!Call me crazy man you make my day."-Dctalk
"The truth it hit me like a sock in the eye.I had a revalation that ya
can't deny."-Dctalk.
yes I like dctalk. But I'm going to stop here before I get upset.I'm sorry if I can't give you "prove" but I'll leave you with this.
"I'm a Thomas.I wouldn't believe until I felt the holes in your hands."-Supertones

[Transtic Nerve]

There's NO way to proove God exists. I don't care who you are, I don't care if he came down to you personally, you still can't proove it. (Aliens come down all the time apparently and we still can't proove that, get my point)... howeveer because God is a belief (which in itself means [i]Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something[/i] (Dictionary.com)... ie: Accepting it's truth, though there is no proof. Belief rests on faith, which means [i]Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence[/i] (Dictionary.com) ... again saying that these are mental discissions based on nothing factual, or logical, but on you're own self interest.) And beliefs cannot be prooven right or wrong (meaning God cannot be prooven true, God cannot be prooven false), for they are beliefs. Thats their point.

So to anyone who continues to say "how can you not believe".... well you're a defying you're own belief, you're own meaning.... you don't have a belief anymore. You have an opinion. Whats the point of believing in something if you can't believe in it and have faith in it anymore? It takes you over and makes everything your opinion now. It doesn't work that way folks.... maybe you all need to look at your own beliefs before you go busting everyone else for theirs.

animeforever105: You need to stay on topic. This is about God, not evolution (even though forms of evolution have been prooven by science) If you want to know, there are several theories that have organisms being made from the heat and water molecules.There's the bubble theory, the water/land theory, and several others. Anyway perhaps you should do simple research before you immaturely blow up at people for no reason.

I fail to see the point about arguing over religion.... If you're Christian you believe God gave us free will. So our free will isn't to believe.... God gave us that, you should accept that. It's not your job as Christians to try to convince us (and if it is, then the bible contradicts itself yet again). You should be looking at all the sinning you do yourself before you start going after others.

Now lets please stay on the topic of GOD, not the bible, not all the other aspects of religion. Lets stick the big man or woman or thing or whatever it is.

[DeathBug]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]
I fail to see the point about arguing over religion.... If you're Christian you believe God gave us free will. So our free will isn't to believe.... God gave us that, you should accept that. It's not your job as Christians to try to convince us (and if it is, then the bible contradicts itself yet again). You should be looking at all the sinning you do yourself before you start going after others.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Kudos, TN. :) Exactly one of my points. It's none of my business what anybody else believes; as long as they're content with their beliefs, I don't see why anyone should want to change that.

[AutoKill]

[quote](animeforever105)
Another thing.how can ppl believe believe we "evovled" from these little one-celled organisms?Where did the organisms come from in the first place?Did they just,appear?My goodness!IT'S BEEN PROVEN INCORRECT!YOU WANT SCIENTIFIC PROOF?THAT THEORY HAS BEEN PROVEN TOTALLY WRONG![/quote]
Your wrong.:nono:
&
I agree with Transtic Nerve.:)

[Guest Skyechild91]

i believe their is a god and goddess. They work in unision and balance.

[TheShinje]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Braidless Baka [/i]
[B]

Even if we don't believe in God, as long as we live good lives and aren't "evil" people, we'll be accepted into an (the?) afterlife. God isn't a guy to hold grudges, from what I've heard.
[/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1] Let's say you were God, and...

1. People rebelled and sinned against you.
2. People killed and stoned every prophet you sent them
3. You reject his only son, Jesus Christ, saying that God is loving, he'll let me go to paradise, even though in life i rejected the death of his son as antonement for my sin.
4. God of the Bible turns out to be real.

Put yourself in God's shoes, and you can easily see why heaven by works does not work. It's simple. If you gave your onyl son as a sacrifice by which your creation could be saved by faith, rather than slaughtering a bull, and going through massive amounts of ritual sanctification in antonement every time they did wrong. You would not be happy either.

That's my belief, it's solid concrete, unless someone can actually discredit the Bible and it's future prophecies coming true.

We were rocked by an [url=http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3882-2605126,00.html]earthquake[/url] last night. It reminded me of the absolute power of God and the powerlessness of mankind. "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God" God is fully capable of destroying us, but he doidn't he is a loving, forgiving God worhty of praise![/size]

[Justin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]There's NO way to proove God exists. I don't care who you are, I don't care if he came down to you personally, you still can't proove it. (Aliens come down all the time apparently and we still can't proove that, get my point)... howeveer because God is a belief (which in itself means [i]Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something[/i] (Dictionary.com)... ie: Accepting it's truth, though there is no proof. Belief rests on faith, which means [i]Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence[/i] (Dictionary.com) ... again saying that these are mental discissions based on nothing factual, or logical, but on you're own self interest.) And beliefs cannot be prooven right or wrong (meaning God cannot be prooven true, God cannot be prooven false), for they are beliefs. Thats their point.

[/B][/QUOTE]
As I said, I can prove that God is more likely to exist than not. Now, I wouldn't expect you to convert ove that, but I can still do it. Logic never saves anyone, though.

And as far as Pant-whatever: I am a zealous, freakish, phanatical follower of Christ. Baptism in the Holy Spirit does that a guy. One morning, you wake up just an average someone who believes in Chrst. When you come home from a Spirit-filled service that night, you come home a different person than you went in. It's great, I appreciate your compliment.
As for my calming down: You decide who it is better for me to follow, you or Almighty God.

-Justin

[Oji ryu]

There is God,okay?How can you explain sometimes when you really need something and your in a struggle something good happens.God spoke to my mom when she was wide awake.:smirk:

[Zen]

I have faith that there is a god or some kind of divine being. There are alot of things to prove that there is some kind of being.

1. How could the Universe just popped into existence? How did everything start? Before the so called "Big Bang", what was there? Know one knows. Even the brilliant Albert Einstein, who had better reason to be athiest then any one on the OBs beleived there was a grand being. Something alot bigger then any mortal being could understand.

2. YOu hear about these strange miracles that just happen. One time my brother walked into a closed-in (walls around the road, very, very small, vehicles could barely fit.) road in Greece while a truck was coming, and some how, he survived with nothing but a knicked elbow and he swears up and down, he felt...soemthing grab him to the wall.

3. There have been great proofs that the human body has a soul. Explain the existance of chi or ki. There are really there, beleive me. Some how, the most skilled martial artist are able to utilize it for amazing feets, such as being able to stand on ONE very delicate tea cup, with out breaking it, or being able to channel the chi to destroy the middle block alone of about 8. There is proof. Just look for it. I am a pseudo Christian. I beleive in god and the teachings of the Bible, but i don't beleive other things. The Bible was written by a human, after all.

[Celia]

[color=0099FF][size=1]Alright, I apologize for my rudeness...

But there's no way you can prove whether there is a God or not, so why bother with it. You can't see the God, but I believe there [i]is[/i] a god.[/color][/size]

[Oji ryu]

As usual your right,Double B Daigo.
God:10,000 points
Satan:10 points
Go God it's your birthday,Shake your :butthead:,now Oh yeah!:D

[Mei]

[color=green]It may not be easy to scientifically prove God exists, but I'm sure it's possible. I myself believe in God, and I always have. My faith wavers, of course, but that's something I should improve on and grow stronger in, faith.

That's what drive people to believe in their own God, whether it be the Christian Trinity, Hindu Trinity, or Jewish monotheism. Faith.

Though I am Christian, I also believe in evolution. But there are different types of evolution, as many of you might know. There is macro evolution, the belief that we basically came from monkies, and that the universe started out in a giant explosion, and there is micro evolution, the belief that living organisms can change over time, but not into a completely new thing. I believe in micro, as you probably could have guessed. I also belive that we all startefd out as bacteria, considering technically we did. We were all one celled fertilized eggs at one point in time, correct? I believe that the Lord created those eggs though. That's all getting out of the religion topic though, so I think I'll just stop with this conclusion.

There are many different beliefs in this world, some seem logical, some seem absurd, but no matter what or who you believe in, you will more than likely stick strongly with it. But there is enough proof to completely rule out relgions and God, nor is there enough to prove the theory of macro evolution.[/color]

[Zen]

There are a few more things i have too say.

1. Okay, i pray to God every night. I have asked him for two things in my life. For me to accomplish my dreams, and for me to be accepted in all places. Okay, i prayed for my dreams to come true, my dreams are for me to become a great martial artist and to become a great manga creator. I prayed for a little while. Then all in the same month i conceived the idea for my current manga, "Underground", and i also got a second martial arts teacher. Both of my dreams, come to light as soon as i began to pray. So that only gives me more faith.

2. Why do you people who don't beleive in God so angry about it? You seem to think that people who do beleive are idiots. But I guess thats the difference between Intellegence and Wisdom. Most of you seem to be angrered teens, probably goths, who are angry at there lives. But i'm not saying all of you are. I'm just saying that you may be happier with a little more faith. I'm not saying go to church every sunday and read the bible in a week, but have a little faith in something. (hope i'm not sounding to preachy.)

And another thing, why are you so offended in the beleif in God? Its not like you should care.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shinji Ikari [/i]
[B][size=1] God is fully capable of destroying us, but he doidn't he is a loving, forgiving God worhty of praise![/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

Well hell, he did it once already, why not again. Or did you just forget about that flood thing.

And Earthquakes are caused by moving plates, plates are always moving based on the earth's flux. They are flotaing on the earth's core essentially. God doesn't move them, they move because of the laws of science, not the laws of God.

[quote][b]
There is God,okay?[/quote][/b]

How can you just say that? You have no backing, no proof, you are just saying that based on your experiences... again, you're turning this into an opinion. God isn't an opinion, he's a belief. Different people believe in different things, so you cannot simply say there is a God.

[quote][b]1. How could the Universe just popped into existence? How did everything start? Before the so called "Big Bang", what was there? Know one knows. Even the brilliant Albert Einstein, who had better reason to be athiest then any one on the OBs beleived there was a grand being. Something alot bigger then any mortal being could understand.[/b][/quote]

There a theories. Good theories on it too. Explainable, probable theories... I suggest you read up and them.

[quote][b]2. YOu hear about these strange miracles that just happen. One time my brother walked into a closed-in (walls around the road, very, very small, vehicles could barely fit.) road in Greece while a truck was coming, and some how, he survived with nothing but a knicked elbow and he swears up and down, he felt...soemthing grab him to the wall.[/quote][/b]

Some things cannot be explained. Maybe it's God, Maybe it's not. No one knows who shot Kennedy, that can't be explained... was it God!?

[quote][b]3. There have been great proofs that the human body has a soul. Explain the existance of chi or ki. There are really there, beleive me. Some how, the most skilled martial artist are able to utilize it for amazing feets, such as being able to stand on ONE very delicate tea cup, with out breaking it, or being able to channel the chi to destroy the middle block alone of about 8. There is proof. Just look for it. I am a pseudo Christian. I beleive in god and the teachings of the Bible, but i don't beleive other things. The Bible was written by a human, after all.[/quote][/b]

Thats energy. Chi and Ki is all energy, it's all science. It's energy transfered from your mind, body, and your surroundings. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transfered. Your body and esspecially your mind contain SO MUCH energy it's almost unbelievable. People learn to transfer this energy from potential to kinetic, thus giving them more "power." It's not the soul that does this. It's not a spirit that does this. It's just simply energy.

[quote][b]2. Why do you people who don't beleive in God so angry about it? You seem to think that people who do beleive are idiots. But I guess thats the difference between Intellegence and Wisdom. Most of you seem to be angrered teens, probably goths, who are angry at there lives. But i'm not saying all of you are. I'm just saying that you may be happier with a little more faith. I'm not saying go to church every sunday and read the bible in a week, but have a little faith in something. (hope i'm not sounding to preachy.)[/quote][/b]

I find it funny you automatically assume people are "Goth.".... Thats just pathetic. I don't assume some black guy shot and killed the convient store clerk cause I heard it happens on the news. What the hell is wrong with you. You'd be surprised how many "Gothic" people are Christians... ofcourse you didn't bother to take the time to look into it because you're a blind idiotic loser. And they do have faith, just not in God. They have faith in themselves and people around them, something maybe you should have too.

[quote][b]
And another thing, why are you so offended in the beleif in God? Its not like you should care[/quote][/b]

lol It's not like we should care. We don't. Thats the point. It's you who cares. It's you who continue to display your beliefs and push them onto us. You keep trying to convince us we're wrong. Look, I am not coming here to tell you what to believe. You're doing that. Thats where you draw the line. I will never tolerate anyone telling me what to believe. Telling me what is right or wrong. Thats not up to YOU to decide. That is what offends me.

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Now I'm not an Atheist, I just don't believe that God is the soul creator or everything. I don't believe God is who Christians think he is. God could be a lizard in a big tree for all you know. I believe someone or a group of somethings look over us from somewhere. I believe they control certain things, I believe they try to let the human will control the others. I don't think everything is always "God's work." Alot of it has been and can be prooven by science.

[WW2]

I believe in many things, God being one of them. But that doesn't mean I completely ignore all other possibilities and religions, I'm too open minded for that.

Well, as I was saying, I believe in god/God, however you want to spell it, but I do think people give him/her/it too much credit sometimes.

When someone manages to overcome a great obstacle, or something like that, people usually say that it was because of God. I personally don't like this way of thinking. God didn't do it for you, you managed to find a way to do it yourself.

Also, I can't stand people who expect God to help them with every little problem. If he/she/it wanted you to depend on him/her/them so much, he/she/it wouldn't have given people free will. People, need to see that humans need to solve human problems, and not rely so much on God.

But that's just my opinion.:D

[Sniglefager]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WW2 [/i]
[B]
Also, I can't stand people who expect God to help them with every little problem. If he/she/it wanted you to depend on him/her/them so much, he/she/it wouldn't have given people free will. People, need to see that humans need to solve human problems, and not rely so much on God.

But that's just my opinion.:D [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, that reminds me of one time, I was playing Hot Shots Golf for PS1, and I was trying to beat Ice Man. We got to the 18th hole, tied, so whoever got this hole won. I remember sitting there, and praying (it was a couple years ago) so I could beat him, lol. Well, in the end, Ice Man beat me pretty bad :bawl:

So what does this have to do with anything? Well, I belive in God, and I know he'll help me in big situations, but when it comes to Hot Shots Golf (which is pretty insignifigant), it looks like I'm on my own :laugh:

So yes, don't get too dependant on God to do every little thing for you.

[animeforever105]

"It requires more faith to reject God than to accept Him."-?

well excuse me!whatever. I'm not going to attempt to convert you or anything.Go ahead and disagree.When the end comes you
shall see.

free will
n.
1.the ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to remain behind of my own free will.
2.The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.

go ahead and have your "free will" I have free will to believe what
I want and so do you.But that's no saying what you believe is true.

Oji ryu:yeah!that happened to me (all u other ppl go ahead and disagree and yell and through objects at me).But it did. I was wide awake as well.

GO AHEAD AND PM ME IF YOU WANT TO SMACK ME AROUND AND YELL AT ME FOR BEING AN IDIOT!THIS IS MY BELIEF AND WHAT I KNOW IS TRUE SO IF YOU DISAGREE THEN GOOD FOR YOU!

[Zen]

Like i said, i beleive in God and loosly base it on the Bible. I beleive and disbelieve some stories. Its just what i think. I beleive in a God. I beleive that some how, he/she/it came forth and some how created the universe and made it wha tt is today. TN, the reason for the flooding, i heard, was becasue all humans had turned wicked and no longer beleived in God, he warned them and warned them and didn't listen, so got his last beleivers, Moses and his Wife, to gather the animals and the arc and etc. (I only read the old testament in a childrens bible, so i wouldn't know exactly.) I'm like a mix between a Buhhdist and a Chiristian. I think that the Buhhdist philosphy makes good sense, but i also beleive in most chrustian beleifs and worship God. So, yeah. (I don't go to church either.)

[WW2]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by animeforever105 [/i]
[B]"Oji ryu:yeah!that happened to me (all u other ppl go ahead and disagree and yell and through objects at me).But it did. I was wide awake as well. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ok, I'm just gonna throw this into the fray. Forgive me if it's off topic. :D
Hitler also said God spoke to him about Germany winning WWII. Also Joan of Arc believed God spoke to her, and ordered her to lead an army.

Was these people crazy, or do any of you believe it actually happen?:therock:

[Sniglefager]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by WW2 [/i]
[B]Ok, I'm just gonna throw this into the fray. Forgive me if it's off topic. :D
Hitler also said God spoke to him about Germany winning WWII. Also Joan of Arc believed God spoke to her, and ordered her to lead an army.

Was these people crazy, or do any of you believe it actually happen?:therock: [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't know about Joan of Arc, but isn't it obvious that Hitler was crazy? I mean, he tried to kill all the Jews, but wern't his parents Jewish or something (that's what I've heard)?

[eleanor]

[size=1] Oh, so since we mortal OBers are [i]so[/i] stupid, we can't be Athiests since we aren't as smart as Albert Einstein? We have to smarter, right? There are excellent theories about the Big Bang and how earth was created, and the people who made them are certainly smarter than you.
You can't scientifically prove that the human body has a soul. It's not like scientists can observe a martial artist standing on a teacup and use computers and math to measure how much 'soul energy' they're using.
Oh yeah, [i]great[i] statement. Most people who don't believe in God are goths? Right. I bet you've never met a 'goth' before. Kids who try to dress punk because Good Charlotte does don't count. Hm. I think all people who beleive in God are goody-goodies who can't even hit a ball. Does that make you feel warm inside? [no.][/size]

[Zen]

Did i say all, maldjusted? DID I! Thats what i thought. I never called you stupid or said that all goths are athiest. I had some goth freinds. I had a goth girl freind. ANd i never said that punks were goths. My best freinds were punks. I said a magority were, i never said all. Most of the Athisets who have posted at one time or another said they were Goths. PS- I like Good Charlotte, BLink 182, Sum 41, Linkin Park, and the Ramones. All Punk Rock. So NYAH!

[eleanor]

[size=1] Yeah...because I just looked through this entire thread and three people claimed to be Athiest[inculding myself]. I might be wrong about the number, but absolutely nowhere in this thread does an Athiest person say that he/she is Gothic. I've been here longer than you, and at no time do I remeber that someone added that they were a goth if they were Athiest. Are you stupid? Or maybe you like to make things up.

Did [i]I[/i] say that you said "all?" No. You are possibly the most aggravating person who has posted in this thread.[/size]