And So it Finally Drags On...

[BabyGirl]

[color=deeppink]As if the California recall election wasn't already a big enough headache for California residents.

Last week the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that voting for the gubernatorial recall election was to be postponed until [i]March[/i]. Their reasoning? In the wake of 2000's presidential voting catastrophe in Florida, some authorities were concerned that several counties in California had outdated and confusing voting equipment.

And so Californians moaned about the news, realizing that their state would continue to be criticized and poked fun at by the rest of the country. Instead of getting the whole thing over with on October 7th, everyone was going to be forced to wait until early next year.

However, the same 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously voted today to give the October 7th election date the green light. The reasoning behind [i]today's[/i] decision? Well apparently the American Civil Liberties Union [who first asked for the postponement] decided that it would not appeal its case in today's ruling to the Supreme Court.

And so the ACLU caused unecessary trouble, and we're all back to where we started.

Does anyone living here in California plan on voting in the recall election? Who do you think will win or has a good shot?

What do citizens of other states [/countires] think about the whole recall deal? How much do you really know about Gray Davis and why he's being recalled?

Did the ACLU [i]really[/i] need to be concerned with "voting equipment", or do you think it was something more? That's a lot of questions, but being not very up to date on the recall deal myself [embarassingly enough], I want to hear what everyone else has to say. That's all :)[/color]

[Harry]

Why don't they just claim Ahnold supreme emporer of California? Everyone is for it.

[RicoTranzrig]

[COLOR=darkblue]For me, I just want the recall to be over with so I can see something different on the front page of the morning paper. I think Arnold has a chance of winning this recall and he'll probably do an okay job. The main duty of any governor is to make choices for the state, hopefully good ones.

Now, the ACLU thinks that certain voters will be at a disadvantage. But it is the voter's responsiblity to follow instructions and choose carefully.

Right now, I'm geared towards not recalling Gray Davis, but that might change once I read more about why Cali has a budget deficit greater than the rest of the other states combined.[/COLOR]

[lea]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Harry [/i]
[B]Why don't they just claim Ahnold supreme emporer of California? Everyone is for it. [/B][/QUOTE]
lol, harry, how do you know [I]everyone[/I] wants arnold for governer? are you everyone?
i dont agree with much of anything arnold stands for......me, i hope he doesnt win.
what do you guys think? do you agree with me, or dissagree, and think arnold will do any good?
(oh, yeah, i dont live in california :p )

[Semjaza]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lea2385 [/i]
[B]lol, harry, how do you know [I]everyone[/I] wants arnold for governer? are you everyone?
i dont agree with much of anything arnold stands for.....[/B][/QUOTE]

Last I heard, he doesn't really have a platform as it is. He's been so vague that I don't know what it is he really wants to do.

[lea]

well, from what little he does say, i dont believe in....he goes against everything i believe in, especially the super controversial issues, like abortion.

[BabyGirl]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lea2385 [/i]
[B]well, from what little he does say, i dont believe in....he goes against everything i believe in[/B][/QUOTE]

[color=deeppink]Like what? [Other than abortion.]

Explain your opinion. I'm asking out of curiousity because I haven't been keeping up to date with his campaign at all. I tend to be bored by politics, even when I try to immerse myself in the world of them...

So the opinions that other people have on such issues really interest me, because that way I can see what they have to say and it helps shape my own opinions.

And Harry, [i]I[/i] found humor in your comment.[/color]

[James]

[color=#707875]Even though people may see the recall itself as a kind of circus (and for good reason), I also think that the recall is a physical demonstration of democracy. If people don't like the Governor's performance, they can kick his butt out of the chair and replace him.

In terms of what I know about Gray Davis...I know that he's being recalled due to his poor financial management and his inability to solve California's energy problems. I also know that Gray Davis is infamous for being extremely savvy, when it comes to politics. And I know that Gray Davis is well known for his ability to take down political opponents, often in somewhat slanderous ways.

As for the ACLU...I think they're missing a few points. For one thing, they say that the punch-card ballots are too difficult to use and that their error rate is too high. But apparently, from the figures I saw yesterday on the news, the digital touch-screen systems have an error rate that is higher by a couple of percentage points. And various other forms of casting your vote have higher error rates again.

I'm not sure what the ACLU is about these days. They seem to be some kind of weird political advocacy group, rather than a group that really tries to protect civil liberties. *shrug*

In this case, it just seems that the weight of statistics/information isn't on their side.

In terms of who will win...I think that Arnold has a very good chance. Plus, he's famous. Surely that'll bring some voters his way. ~_^

I do know that Tom McClintock is giving him a run for his money. If McClintock moves out of the race, Arnold is almost assured to win. The problem is that McClintock actually dissipates Arnold's potential voter base, because a lot of far-right Republicans see him as being too liberal on certain social issues.

If McClintock gets out of the race and supports Arnold, Arnold will win. I have no doubt about that.

If he doesn't...who knows. Maybe Davis will pull through. It's certainly impossible.[/color]

[Raiha]

[color=royalblue]As a Non voting, Californian resident, I find myself slightly amused by this whole fondue. Not only does our dear Terminator have issues, we also have every creature under the sun running to be govenor. Like, a porn star and her boss.

Either way, I can't vote yet, and am really not all that upset about it. What's going to happen is going to happen. While listening to 910 AM, Savage Nation, a true blue right wing Republican type station, I heard varions things about the election. Most of which I knew, but still laughed myself silly over. Not only is Arnold a partial birth abortion activist [which is NOT Republican in the least], he is, sadly, as Michael Savage put it, A Radical Left Wing Democrat in Republican clothing.

Doesn't matter much what you say. If he's for partial birth abortion, A.K.A. suicide, he sure as hell isn't a Republican. Which, is slightly embarassing. Half the people voting have no idea what they have coming.[/color]

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lea2385 [/i]
[B]
i dont agree with much of anything arnold stands for......me, i hope he doesnt win. [/B][/QUOTE] What do you think he stands for? So far he's said children need an education, there should be a state medical agency, and he doesn't care if you're gay. That's all I've heard from him.

[quote]In terms of what I know about Gray Davis...I know that he's being recalled due to his poor financial management and his inability to solve California's energy problems. I also know that Gray Davis is infamous for being extremely savvy, when it comes to politics. And I know that Gray Davis is well known for his ability to take down political opponents, often in somewhat slanderous ways.
[/quote]
He's just simply a complete fraud. He purposely hid the states deficit to be re-elected. His solution is to increase taxes, where the citizens are already paying a 10% state income tax. Also he does everything for unions to garner votes.

[quote]he is, sadly, as Michael Savage put it, A Radical Left Wing Democrat in Republican clothing[/quote]
That's somewhat true, but he's not radical at all. He basically isn't afraid of gay people or drugs like most conservatives are.

[James]

[color=#707875]You're right about Gray Davis there, Harry. Thanks for adding more to my description -- no wonder this guy is getting recalled.

It's also true that Arnold isn't a radical left wing Democrat. To Michael Savage, [i]everyone[/i] fits into this mould. lol[/color]

[Shy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by BabyGirl [/i]
[B][color=deeppink]Does anyone living here in California plan on voting in the recall election? Who do you think will win or has a good shot?[/color][/b][/quote]
[size=1]As of right now I'm not entirely sure who I am going to be voting for in the recall election. In the beginning I wanted to vote for Arnold, but during the past few weeks I've begun to question his role as a politician. I know very little about his stance on most issues (his website is quite vague) and I want some more conrete answers before I give any candidate my vote.

As of right now I'm not sure who will win, or even if the recall campaign will be successful at all. I think Bustamante has a strong chance, and it's a real possibility that the recall election will fail because of a lack of focus from the Republican party.[/size]
[quote][b][color=deeppink]Did the ACLU [i]really[/i] need to be concerned with "voting equipment", or do you think it was something more? That's a lot of questions, but being not very up to date on the recall deal myself [embarassingly enough], I want to hear what everyone else has to say. That's all :)[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
[size=1]I think the ACLU just likes to stick it's nose where it doesn't really belong. The longer they can prolong this circus the better a chance that Davis can remain in office. I'm not a fan of talking about "left wing conspiracies" but if nothing else these elections just show how incredibly biased every part of our world can be. It doesn't really matter to anyone [i]but[/i] the ACLU what type of voting equipment is used, and if people are unable to operate a punchcard they have no right to vote in an important election such as this.

-Shy[/size]

[Manic Webb]

James lives across the Pacific ocean and over the equator, yet he knows about California's recall election. What's this saying about the kind of publicity this state is getting?

Anyway, I'm not voting in this recall election. I know that I'm a resident of California and it's my duty and people died so that I could get the chance to vote ect. However, this entire election is a big flying joke. You [i]know[/i] there's something wrong when the list of candidates consists of mediocre action film stars, former child stars who can't get a job outside of television cameos, porn stars, owners of nudy magazines, and that Annonymous Joe from down the street.

I was debating with myself on whether or not I should vote, but time passed and I didn't register (didn't the deadline pass?). It's a shame, too. My grandparents just got a bunch of flyers in the mail, and this Lt. Gov. Bustamante seems to have a good grasp of what he's doing. When the recall is over, I guess I can't really complain about the outcome, though.

[Baron Samedi]

Personally, I just think James is extraordinarily well read, or looked up the subject on the internet or paper. I generally watch the news, but I have seen very little about this Califonia re-election thing.

I agree though, it sounds like it is a circus and an unnecessary waste of time and resources. From what has been said about his policies in this thread, Arnold sounds like a not bad choice. Quite good actually. Just a note to keep in mind- people have been known to get into office and not follow up on all policies. What is so bad about Arnold Schwarzenegger anway?

Sure it seems strange and like a scam that he is running for state, being an actor and all, but his policies sound good. I don't know. I live in the Great Downunda, and have heard little about this subject.

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shy [/i]
[B][size=1]
As of right now I'm not sure who will win, or even if the recall campaign will be successful at all. I think Bustamante has a strong chance, and it's a real possibility that the recall election will fail because of a lack of focus from the Republican party.[/size]
[/B][/QUOTE]
From what I've seen of Bustamante is that he's is a ultra right wing conservative and even joined some group that says "the one race supreme, leading over others."

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Manic [/i]
[B]James lives across the Pacific ocean and over the equator, yet he knows about California's recall election. What's this saying about the kind of publicity this state is getting?

[/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#707875]Eh, the coverage isn't terribly big over here. Australia has her own issues to worry about. Hehe

The only reason I know about any of this, on any level, is because I'm interested in politics. In particular, I have a great interest in American politics. So, reading a lot...and watching American news channels helps. ~_^

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