Anime whats your personal outlook on........gundam seed

[craig8429]

Whats your personal outlook on. gundam:seed.

I think Seed is quite amazing. Finally a Gundam that isn't all for the earth federation or opposing group.
(that was my 1st true thought on this amazingly good series.)

Gundam Seed focuses on more then just Gundam fights it draws you in to the characters and makes you want to watch more, this is truly a gundam that rivals others.

[Qukey]

I am very disappointed by Gundam Seed. It is definitely not something I am expecting from a Gundam series. It tries so hard to blend the elements from other hit shows into the franchise, but it loses some of the best qualities of what a Gundam story has.

The characters are weak comparing to many characters from older Gundam series. By eps. 10, Kira has not figure out what to do but Camille(Zeta Gundam) has already realize that he has to help to stop the war. Yet, Camille's emotion feels very very real. He acts and feels like a 16 years old growing up in the middle of a battlefield. The supporting cast of Seed is boring. The captain should not be allow in the captain seat at all when most of the time, she cannot come up with a decision fast. The Archangel is in the battlefield and every decision is important. Comparing her to Bright Noah(Mobile Suit Gundam) is an insult to Bright. Yet, the roles of all other characters are not important, too. It feels like Kira and maybe Ashran are the only important characters in the story.

The plot is unoriginal but that is not what makes it boring. The basic plot follows Mobile Suit Gundam quite closely with some elements from Zeta. Since most of the plots was made 24 years ago, the story is predictable. It is easily to tell who is dying and who is not by simply matching the characters back to their counterpart in MSG. The biggest problem I can see is the length of the plot. The story feels like lasting stretch because the story is not long enough for a 50 eps. series. They spend too much time talking and acting immature, instead of being constructive. Isn't there too much flashback scenes? I think the audiences can easily remember what happen 5 minutes ago and we don't need to be reminded.

The mecha designs are beautiful and I truely believe MS=Gundam in Seed. It doesn't matter which side you are on, as long as you have a Gundam, you are in the game. Someone on another forum points out the problem here: we lose so many good MS design. As everyone has a Gundam now, we don't need designs like Zaku II, Zeong, Gerbera Tetra and Zaku III. There is not a huge variaties of design to choose from other than the regular looking Gundam.

[QUOTE]I think Seed is quite amazing. Finally a Gundam that isn't all for the earth federation or opposing group. [/QUOTE]
It has been done multiple times already. In Crossbone, the war is mainly fought between the Crossbone Vanguard and Jupiter Empire. In Victory Gundam, wars are fought between League Militia and Zanscare Empire, a government rules with religion. In GX, the story is about a small group of survivors who are not siding with any governments if there are governments at all. In Turn A, there is no unified Earth Government.

[QUOTE]Gundam Seed focuses on more then just Gundam fights it draws you in to the characters and makes you want to watch more, this is truly a gundam that rivals others.[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, all Gundam are supposed to be about the characters. If fighting is so important, Turn A is boring. However, people who watched Turn A actually agreed that it is a masterpiece because the character developments are amazing. Also, if Gundam is only about fighting, the franchise will not be celebrating its 25th anniversary next year. Fans following Amuro(MSG, Zeta, CCA) for 25 years not only because he is a great pilot, but also a great character. He may not act cool most of the time but his emotion is real.

[craig8429]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Qukey [/i]
[B]I am very disappointed by Gundam Seed. It is definitely not something I am expecting from a Gundam series. It tries so hard to blend the elements from other hit shows into the franchise, but it loses some of the best qualities of what a Gundam story has.

The characters are weak comparing to many characters from older Gundam series. By eps. 10, Kira has not figure out what to do but Camille(Zeta Gundam) has already realize that he has to help to stop the war. Yet, Camille's emotion feels very very real. He acts and feels like a 16 years old growing up in the middle of a battlefield. The supporting cast of Seed is boring. The captain should not be allow in the captain seat at all when most of the time, she cannot come up with a decision fast. The Archangel is in the battlefield and every decision is important. Comparing her to Bright Noah(Mobile Suit Gundam) is an insult to Bright. Yet, the roles of all other characters are not important, too. It feels like Kira and maybe Ashran are the only important characters in the story.

The plot is unoriginal but that is not what makes it boring. The basic plot follows Mobile Suit Gundam quite closely with some elements from Zeta. Since most of the plots was made 24 years ago, the story is predictable. It is easily to tell who is dying and who is not by simply matching the characters back to their counterpart in MSG. The biggest problem I can see is the length of the plot. The story feels like lasting stretch because the story is not long enough for a 50 eps. series. They spend too much time talking and acting immature, instead of being constructive. Isn't there too much flashback scenes? I think the audiences can easily remember what happen 5 minutes ago and we don't need to be reminded.

The mecha designs are beautiful and I truely believe MS=Gundam in Seed. It doesn't matter which side you are on, as long as you have a Gundam, you are in the game. Someone on another forum points out the problem here: we lose so many good MS design. As everyone has a Gundam now, we don't need designs like Zaku II, Zeong, Gerbera Tetra and Zaku III. There is not a huge variaties of design to choose from other than the regular looking Gundam.


It has been done multiple times already. In Crossbone, the war is mainly fought between the Crossbone Vanguard and Jupiter Empire. In Victory Gundam, wars are fought between League Militia and Zanscare Empire, a government rules with religion. In GX, the story is about a small group of survivors who are not siding with any governments if there are governments at all. In Turn A, there is no unified Earth Government.


Believe it or not, all Gundam are supposed to be about the characters. If fighting is so important, Turn A is boring. However, people who watched Turn A actually agreed that it is a masterpiece because the character developments are amazing. Also, if Gundam is only about fighting, the franchise will not be celebrating its 25th anniversary next year. Fans following Amuro(MSG, Zeta, CCA) for 25 years not only because he is a great pilot, but also a great character. He may not act cool most of the time but his emotion is real. [/B][/QUOTE]


I'm not a big gundam fan so I guess some of my views can be over looked. I did't happen to watch zeta yet, I'll go and watch it soon so I can make a reasonsable debate if needed :-p

[Domon]

[COLOR=darkblue]Welcome to the boards craig.

Anyways I haven't seen any of SEED yet but it looks rather interesting, I'm sure it delivers what every good gundam series does: Plot development, character development, etc. Anyways like I said, I haven't seen SEED so therefore I really can't say that much about the series. Anyways I hate to burst your bubble about Zeta but it won't be coming out until next year in March with all 50 episodes and the price will run about $150 to $200. So I sugguest all of you major gundam fans save up your money and prepare to buy the box set when it comes out. Also the first episodes of Gundam SEED should hit the shores of the United States sometime in 2005, and another side note about next year, Gundam Formula 91; a movie will be released directly after the release of Zeta so you get to choose between two awesome gundam series.[/COLOR]

[craig8429]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Domon [/i]
[B][COLOR=darkblue]Welcome to the boards craig.

Anyways I haven't seen any of SEED yet but it looks rather interesting, I'm sure it delivers what every good gundam series does: Plot development, character development, etc. Anyways like I said, I haven't seen SEED so therefore I really can't say that much about the series. Anyways I hate to burst your bubble about Zeta but it won't be coming out until next year in March with all 50 episodes and the price will run about $150 to $200. So I sugguest all of you major gundam fans save up your money and prepare to buy the box set when it comes out. Also the first episodes of Gundam SEED should hit the shores of the United States sometime in 2005, and another side note about next year, Gundam Formula 91; a movie will be released directly after the release of Zeta so you get to choose between two awesome gundam series.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

thank you for the nice welcome!

Gundam seed has a few problems, but from what I sewe the series is rather good(a few reused cells a few to manytimes)
Well I'll be saving my money I suppose, 50 eps for 150 is a decent price!

I also have hopes the movie will be good because I'm starting to like the gundam series....

[Domon]

[COLOR=darkblue]Umm... Craig, I didn't quite say 500 dollars. I said the 50 epidodes on DVD in the box set will run between $150 to $200 not 500. Sorry if I confused you.[/COLOR]

[craig8429]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Domon [/i]
[B][COLOR=darkblue]Umm... Craig, I didn't quite say 500 dollars. I said the 50 epidodes on DVD in the box set will run between $150 to $200 not 500. Sorry if I confused you.[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

no it was my typo lol, i'm rather sorry I was typing in my computer class and forgot to look over it :-/

hehe 10 bucks a ep is rather pricey so 500 would be rather.....ALOT!

[ZeroBlade]

Gundam Seed is damn good to me. I have heard that people constantly say that Zeta is better but I never watched that. Seed is the best Gundam I've seen yet (and I've seen serveral long before CN aired them). The characters I have to say are very well developed early on. You know who to hate/love and the sort. The story is indeed not about the Earth and the Frederation being the 'good guys' anymore. Fighting is some of the best I've seen. Although there are stunts that have been recycled, the new ones make up for them. Art is clean and bright and the mobile suits look awesome.

The series has just about ended in Japan and was a about a month ago that the series has been licensed than non other than bandai. Personally I'm not thrilled about it because the FCC and CN will stain the amazement of this series and I just can't bear watching it again in dubbed mode. Series lasts 53 episodes and and OVA seems likely (its very successful in japan). If you're gonna watch it, by all means please watch the japanese version.

[Qukey]

Seed has 50 eps. as far as I know, not 53. It is going to show on TV anyway to attract more customers to their toys.

As for Zeta, not everyone think it is the best. It is a matter of taste and opinion. I love every second of it and I have met someone who doesn't like it. Many people think it is overrated because it is not what they expected.

[Pagan]

I love Gundam seed it is my favorite of all the Gundam shows. The gundams look so cool my favoriye is the Buster Gundam. I am also happy to see prominent female rules in Gundam Seed rather then the normal part of the women being nothing but love interest. This show is just great in every way it is by far better then Gundam Wing.

[UltimateX]

You know that the next gundam series is gundam seed 2 (not really sure about it because i heard about it in [url]www.gundams.net[/url] forum) its a sequel of gundam seed.

[Cahoots34]

I am a woman of very simplistic tastes. In a series, I look for:
1. Exceptionally cool robots (If there are no robots, great fight scenes will suffice)
2. Deep emotional turmoil and angst
3. Shounen/shoujo-ai innuendo (by the tonne, if possible)

Would Gundam Seed meet my requirements, or should I shun it as I shun Medabots and all related programmes?

[Qukey]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cahoots34 [/i]
[B]I am a woman of very simplistic tastes. In a series, I look for:
1. Exceptionally cool robots (If there are no robots, great fight scenes will suffice)
2. Deep emotional turmoil and angst
3. Shounen/shoujo-ai innuendo (by the tonne, if possible)

Would Gundam Seed meet my requirements, or should I shun it as I shun Medabots and all related programmes? [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes. Seed have everything you want. After that, look somewhere else because GW and Seed are the only series that fit you taste.

[Hittokiri Zero]

SEED suffers from a variety of problems, the majority of whcih Queky stated. Although people must keep in mind just about every Gundam Series after MSG borrowed in some way or another from a previous Gundam Series it's part of what makes gundam - gundam. Really I figure if your a [i]real[/i] Gundam fan you'll watch SEED and like it for the little bit of difference that it brings. And while many people consider the "GINN" and certain other mobile suits as rips off of the "Zaku" and other older mobile suit designs I consider them more of variations o_o... Although calling them 'rips' could be justified... Anyway SEED starts out [b]VERY[/b] slow but as it progresses it does manage to become more enjoyable (atleast in terms of action)a and a bit better.

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Seed has 50 eps. as far as I know, not 53. It is going to show on TV anyway to attract more customers to their toys.[/quote]

That is correct it's only 50 eps i dont know where what's his face got "53" from -_o;.

[Qukey]

I consider myself a REAL fan of Gundam as I grew up with MSG, Zeta, ZZ, War in the Pocket...... That is the exact problem why I don't think Seed is a "good" Gundam. Gundam is about war and people, not about how many variations of the name Gundam they can sell. Seed has taken many elements from the older Gundams but it really tries to be something else. It has taken stories, characters and plots from other non-Gundam works to impress non-Gundam fans. The driving force of the merchadise market is just too big to stop. It is fine as long as the work is good. However, Seed becomes the most "non-Gundam" Gundam series. It can still be successful and profitable if it is not part of the Gundam world. It has simply leave out some of the most important elements in Gundam to create something appeal a wider audiences.

It is true that almost all Gundams have taken from MSG. The different between Seed and the rest (excluding GW) is that the other expand on the meanings in UC, not just rip them from the plots and glue them together. Zeta, ZZ, F91 and Victory all expansions of MSG and they are well made because they have added so much rich details into the world. G brings in a very different look at what the problem MSG has pointed: the conservation of Earth. GX provides the ending to Newtypes by expressing the true meaning of them. Turn A is a true alternative which looks so different from other Gundams, yet, perserve the theme and feels of the meaning of Gundam.

I am not the only "real" fan of Gundam who doesn't like Seed. We have be entertained by the franchise for the last 25 years and we are given it a very high standard that the future Gundam has to take. Too bad that the standard setting up by the UC Gundams is just too high to reach. At least I am diskliking it not because of a few "rip-off" mechas.

[Hittokiri Zero]

[quote]least I am diskliking it not because of a few "rip-off" mechas.[/quote]

Atleast that is true ^_^. It was also somewhat confirmed in a report by... *can't remember name* that SEED was somewhat based for a younger audience and hence was the fact that it was based around "friendship". Well I was actually quite fascinated originally with the friend vs. friend thing although it has been done before in other anime series in many new anime series it's not apparent =\. A theory that also crossed my mind once but i dismissed was that Gundam SEED was setting up for something more... Gundam has been going strong for a long time but many people no longer care or have seen MSG so therefore a remake of MSG was made in SEED to attract a large new fan base...oh well it was just a (no-proven) theory I had a while back...

[Qukey]

Friend vs friend is not original in Seed. In fact, it has been part of Gundam since MSG. Garma and Char(MSG), Emma and Reccoa(Zeta), Seabook and Cecily(F91), Usso and Katejina(Victory) are just some examples. Even G Gundam and Gundam Wing have friends fighting against each other for a short period of time.

It is right that Gundam Seed is intented for younger audiences as it is really a "beginner" series to get people into Gundam. The last one is GW which had proved sucessfully in attracting female fans. It is also true that many people don't even care for MSG because of the aged animation but it doesn't mean a newly made, updated show can be as good as the old one. At least, Seed is not creating a sub-gerne like what MSG did in 1979.