Wicca and Witchcraft

[Guest Skyechild91]

I want to know peoples opinion on it. On magic in general. DO you know anyone who practices The Craft? I now a lot of you have different views. The Craft is a little frightening at times,but it isnt any different than miracles, only things happen more often, and are more likley to happen. I told Chichiri's Girl, and she said she considered converting. Oh, I believe in Jesus, adn God, but I think there is more to the universe than just Him. Wiccans each have their own God/ess to worship and/or study. Me? I am Wiccan, and I study/worship the Moon God/esses. Selene, Diana, Artemis, Luna, call Her what you will. So anywho, whats your opinion?

[wrist cutter]

I just say I'm Wiccan so people think I'm cool and individualistic.

[Drix D'Zanth]

Well, as much as you "belive" in Jesus, you don't follow him... you are basically breaking the first commandment.

"I am The Lord your God. You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:2-3

Sorry hun, your trying to be polytheistic in a monothestic religion.

As for my opinion on Wicca? Well, I gave a bit on your story.. I'll edit some in later.. I must now slumber.

[Guest Skyechild91]

Just because I believe in Jesus desont mean I worship him. He is not my God. Magic does exist, it does work, and you just need practice to make it work. Magic is just a word for everyday miracles, i guess.

[Kittie]

[color=silver] I happen to pratice the 'craft' as you call it. I'm not a wiccan, persay, just a witch.

Magick I guess you could call miracles because you pray for it and it comes true. I've just never heard anyone call it that before. :whoops:

Don't Jesus and witchcraft contradict one another aswell...?

As for my opinion...I don't think it's good nor bad. It's simply one's way of life as is whatever beliefs they have! [/color]

[Valen]

The bible actually contradicts itself aswell, if you read into it enough.

I'm not a serious, everyday practitioner of The Craft, but I am Wiccan and it really is fun, well with Samhain comming right around the corner.

[quote]The Craft is a little frightening at times,but it isnt any different than miracles, only things happen more often, and are more likley to happen.[/quote]

Yeah, that is true, but the reason for it isn't exactly Magic as some would call, but rather you believe it as Magic and send more energies into the universe to change it as you see fit. That's why they seem to happen more often.

Personally, I don't believe The Craft is either good or bad. It really all depends on who the practitioner is and how they use it. I guess I would say it's neutral.

[AzureWolf]

[quote]Just because I believe in Jesus desont mean I worship him. He is not my God.[/quote] I think what Drix D'Zanth was saying is if you believe in a monotheistic God (not necessarily Jesus), it's impossible to believe that there are other polytheistic gods that are around. That's called double thinking yourself, just like people used to believe that the liver had five punctures when they were looking right at it.

[Guest ScorpioWolf]

I agree with Valen. It depends on who the person is and how they use it.

[Guest Skyechild91]

WoW. Thats so cool, Kitty and Valen! Samhain is great. We usually have a big ritual with ll our friends, then go trick-or-treating. or vice versa. Thanks for clearing up for me, AzureWolf. I dont think its good or bad, just the way things are. One otehr thing, if magic is so bad, why did God create it? Didnt He create everything? Anywho, for those of you who are Pagan/Wiccan, what is your fave holiday? Mine is Samhain, not just Halloween(or All Hallows Eve, as it was called origonally) because we do bonfires, cider, apples, songs. Its a lot of fun.

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i]
[B]WoW. Thats so cool, Kitty and Valen! Samhain is great. We usually have a big ritual with ll our friends, then go trick-or-treating. or vice versa. Thanks for clearing up for me, AzureWolf. I dont think its good or bad, just the way things are. One otehr thing, if magic is so bad, why did God create it? Didnt He create everything? Anywho, for those of you who are Pagan/Wiccan, what is your fave holiday? Mine is Samhain, not just Halloween(or All Hallows Eve, as it was called origonally) because we do bonfires, cider, apples, songs. Its a lot of fun. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, Halloween was originally a pagan holiday anyway to celebrate the returning of dead souls for a time to be with their loved ones. Of course some of these spirits did cause a bit of bother but we don't worry about that sort of thing nowadays do we ^_~.

On your God thing, technically wasn't witchcraft associated with Satan, and the worshipping thereof. So therefore God didn't create magic he created the angel Lucifer who then became Satan. Of course if you believe in other Gods and goddesses such as the more popular Hecate and Diana/Artemis (originally of Greek origins) then the God/Satan explanation becomes a little more difficult.

[Guest Skyechild91]

Well, i believe Satan is still evil, bad, or whatever you wanna call it. And God must have created magic, otherwise Satan wouldnt be able to have it, not to mention that God probably uses magic. My dad isnt pagan, but he isnt Christian either. He's Budist(sp?). My BFFL is christian, and she doesnt care that Im a witch. niether do alot of ppl i know.

[Valen]

Yeah, Samhain is great. I don't know whether I like Samhain or Beltane more... The May Day drink is superb! ...and slightly alcoholic, but that's okay!

...But I don't know if being Pagan really classifies you as being part of The Craft like Wicca does, I mean the word Pagan really refers to anyone who is not part of one of the Judeo(Judo?) religions... but meh, that's just my take on that one.

Back on the topic of fav holiday, after much thought, I have concluded that Samhain is definately my favorite holiday. Ah, All Souls Night.... gotta love it.

[Japan]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i]
[B]Well, i believe Satan is still evil, bad, or whatever you wanna call it. And God must have created magic, otherwise Satan wouldnt be able to have it, not to mention that God probably uses magic. My dad isnt pagan, but he isnt Christian either. He's Budist(sp?). My BFFL is christian, and she doesnt care that Im a witch. niether do alot of ppl i know. [/B][/QUOTE]

First off, God didn't create magic. It also says in the bible that all witchcraft is bad and to refrain from it. You can only have one god. Either you believe only in Jesus or you don't. There are no buts about it. Like with Drix D'Zanth said.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Drix D'Zanth[/i]
Well, as much as you "belive" in Jesus, you don't follow him... you are basically breaking the first commandment.

"I am The Lord your God. You shall have no other gods before Me." Exodus 20:2-3
[/QUOTE]

You can believe only in one god, not several. Lucifer was an angel of God, until he thought he was better and God banished him. Lucifer became Satan.

The reason why voted, "bad," because it is bad. No matter how you put it, it is bad. To be a true Chirstian, you have believe only in Jesus. Not both Jesus and magic. If you participate in witchcraft, or you are a wiccan, you are not a true christian. Sorry if I sounded mean and straight forward, but that how it goes. I hope that you guys will see that light someday.

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Japan_86 [/i]
[B]First off, God didn't create magic. It also says in the bible that all witchcraft is bad and to refrain from it. You can only have one god. Either you believe only in Jesus or you don't. There are no buts about it. Like with Drix D'Zanth said.



You can believe only in one god, not several. Lucifer was an angel of God, until he thought he was better and God banished him. Lucifer became Satan.

The reason why voted, "bad," because it is bad. No matter how you put it, it is bad. To be a true Chirstian, you have believe only in Jesus. Not both Jesus and magic. If you participate in witchcraft, or you are a wiccan, you are a true christian. Sorry if I sounded mean and straight forward, but that how it goes. I hope that you guys will see that light someday. [/B][/QUOTE]

Exactly. Believing in God and saying you're a Wiccan is like saying you're a christian but believe in the Hindu teachings. You could be a wiccan, whereby you cannot believe in jesus otherwise it is a complete contradiction. Or you could practice magic and be a christian but if you believe that then I'm afraid you're going to hell. If you believe that sort of thing of course.

[Guest Skyechild91]

I think the only reason ppl made up Hell was to scare ppl into being Christian. Which, of course, was stupid and an idiodic thing to do in the first place. And I guess i believe that Jesus could have lived, but what does it matter now? I mean, he's dead, and God did say that he wasnt gonna do another flood and mess with man kind again. And if your wondering how a Wiccan knows this stuff, i went to a Christian church for about five years, then another for two. Then I finally found UUCG, the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Gwinnett. Its a church for those who arent Christian. Not neccisarily Wiccan, though.

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i]
[B]I think the only reason ppl made up Hell was to scare ppl into being Christian. Which, of course, was stupid and an idiodic thing to do in the first place. And I guess i believe that Jesus could have lived, but what does it matter now? I mean, he's dead, and God did say that he wasnt gonna do another flood and mess with man kind again. And if your wondering how a Wiccan knows this stuff, i went to a Christian church for about five years, then another for two. Then I finally found UUCG, the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Gwinnett. Its a church for those who arent Christian. Not neccisarily Wiccan, though. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually I wasn't wondering how you know about christian things and you're a wiccan, I know about wiccan and christian things and I'm neither. Just because you're one religion doesn't make you ignorant to others. In fact it's a good thing for others to be wise in the way of other religions, it breeds tolerance.

Anyway, so what you're saying is you believe that Jesus really existed but he wasn't the son of God, am I right? So do you believe in God as being the one true force, creating the universe etc etc etc?

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i]
[B]I think the only reason ppl made up Hell was to scare ppl into being Christian. Which, of course, was stupid and an idiodic thing to do in the first place. And I guess i believe that Jesus could have lived, but what does it matter now? I mean, he's dead, and God did say that he wasnt gonna do another flood and mess with man kind again.[/B][/QUOTE]

No... no new flood, God's just going to destroy the world and give the final judgment. Listen, we are living on a plane that is crashing towards the ground, Jesus is the parachute. You have the choice to take it, or deny it, the fact is it will happen. I don't think hell was created by people, but by Satan... you may belive what you want, this shouldn't be a debate on christianity (it's truth or not, i.e.) I think you have some misconceptions about christianity as most have about wiccan. You realize that God is alive? He's inside me, and whoever belives in him, there's more to god than a fear of damnation.. he gives us a personal relationship. Any of you feel incomplete? God completes me.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i]
[B] And if your wondering how a Wiccan knows this stuff, i went to a Christian church for about five years, then another for two. Then I finally found UUCG, the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Gwinnett. Its a church for those who arent Christian. Not neccisarily Wiccan, though. [/B][/QUOTE]

Usually "church" refers to Christianity. Seeing as you assume there will be another great deluge.. then I don't think they taught you very well at all ;)

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i]
[B]My BFFL is christian, and she doesnt care that Im a witch. niether do alot of ppl i know.[/B][/QUOTE]

Personally, if she doesn't want you to be saved, she isn't all that awesome of a friend. I don't PUSH christianity on my friends, but I pray for them, I care for them. I wish that my best friend would be a Christian because she is an amazing person, with a good heart. Death is inevitable.. time slips away...

[Guest Skyechild91]

Yes and no, if that makes any sense. Im am [B][I][U]NOT[/B][/I][/U] the most religious person, probably teh least youll ever see. I guess he did, but he must've ha dhelp, really. If he was all powerful, ho come it took him 7 days to finish teh wordl? Couldnt HE have said,' World,be.' and it would have been, right? That still confuses and amuses me.

[Drix D'Zanth]

What is time in the eyes of the lord, and who are you to test him? Can [I]you[/I] create the world ? ;) He may have done it purposefully, decidedly taking a determined amount of time... the ways of a being so omnipotent are incredible. God doesn't need magic, he's...well... all powerful :D!

Just because our minds can't , nor ever will understand the method of God doesn't mean we should hold him in contempt. That's just foolish..

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Drix D'Zanth [/i]
[B]What is time in the eyes of the lord, and who are you to test him? Can [I]you[/I] create the world ? ;) He may have done it purposefully, decidedly taking a determined amount of time... the ways of a being so omnipotent are incredible. God doesn't need magic, he's...well... all powerful :D!

Just because our minds can't , nor ever will understand the method of God doesn't mean we should hold him in contempt. That's just foolish.. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, yes that I understand. However, is blindly worshipping an all powerful being that you can only feel in your heart any less foolish? Yes, you have the right to pray for me because I am not christian and you think I'm going to hell. I also have the right to pray to this piece of blu tak stuck to the top of my computer. Are those two things any less foolish?

I don't hold God in contempt, how can I if I don't believe in him.

P.S if any of that sounded belittling or spiteful in any way i appologise.

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by doukeshi03 [/i]
[B]Well, yes that I understand. However, is blindly worshipping an all powerful being that you can only feel in your heart any less foolish? Yes, you have the right to pray for me because I am not christian and you think I'm going to hell. I also have the right to pray to this piece of blu tak stuck to the top of my computer. Are those two things any less foolish?

I don't hold God in contempt, how can I if I don't believe in him.

P.S if any of that sounded belittling or spiteful in any way i appologise. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yup.. I'll definately be praying for the blu tak! Anyway, no, I don't "blindly" follow my religion. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that; is following one guidline and deity blindess? Well, I understand and recognize my options, choices, and alternatives. No, praying to a God is not foolish unless there's no reason to. You see, Christianity belives praying to God is literally talking to him. Just because you can't understand it (and no one can truely understand without experiencing) doesn't make it foolish.

That was the point I was trying to make. I can't assume to understand God, nor can GS, but let's not be so critical about something we may never comprehend, right?

[craig8429]

I know a few people who practice, I'm personally a skeptic of it but hey if you enjoy it do what you must!

[Valen]

OT: Lol, this has become quite the suprising thread.
IT:

[quote]Personally, if she doesn't want you to be saved, she isn't all that awesome of a friend.[/quote]

Just a small question on that... How, in a very formal way, would you be "saved" from something created by one man who was bored, wrote a book, someone picked it up and considered it a "holy manuscript," then made a religion of it?

I'm not saying God doesn't exist, he very well could exist, but what I don't get, nor ever gotten because our so-called "priest" couldn't even answer this, is why do so many worship when their second commandment was "Thou shalt not worship" or idolize or something like that? They're breaking their own rules.

As for the whole "magic is evil" thing, what did that Moses dude use when he parted the Red Sea? Trade Winds?

[quote]Or you could practice magic and be a christian but if you believe that then I'm afraid you're going to hell.[/quote]

Hell eh? And where might this Hell place be at, hmm?

...Oh yeah, and if you think Wicca is a strict religion that has a base belief system that says you have to believe in multiple gods/goddesses, you're very wrong. You can believe in only one god or goddess and not be given a second thought, whereas in Christianity, if you don't believe in something about it you'll be looked on as someone who needs "saving" from the unknown. Which is another reason I like Wicca way more than Christianity. No offense to anyone that's a heavy believer of Christianity, but meh, just the way I see things.

Sorry if I sound weird and debatably angry or whatever, I'm not. Just asking a few questions that 4 years of Catacysm did not answer, nor could, and expressing my views as James encourages.

[Guest Skyechild91]

[QUOTE]Hell eh? And where might this Hell place be at, hmm?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, were? I know it isnt at the center of the earth, science.
Valen, PM me. I wanna b able to talk to another Wiccan. I cud give you my other BFFL's otaku boards name. she's my wiccan bffl. ANywho, i just thought of aomething. how do we know there is any god/eeses? i mean, is there God, Slene, Apollo, Posiedn(sp)? How do we know that even one exists? we dont. we worship whoever and were not bad because we dont know if they even exist.
[QUOTE]How, in a very formal way, would you be "saved" from something created by one man who was bored, wrote a book, someone picked it up and considered it a "holy manuscript," then made a religion of it? [/QUOTE]
Anyone answer it?

[Valen]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i]
[B]ANywho, i just thought of aomething. how do we know there is any god/eeses? i mean, is there God, Slene, Apollo, Posiedn(sp)? How do we know that even one exists? we dont. we worship whoever and were not bad because we dont know if they even exist. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, that is very true. We don't know for sure, and nor does anyone that hasn't died yet, and there's not many ways to find out then, now is there? lol, unless somoene conducts a seance to speak directly to a spirit that has passed and ask that spirit to kindly tell us the truth and who/what it is, if anything.

For all we know, there could be nothing that made the Earth, universe, etc., but a simple chemical reaction or something of the sort. Our bodies may not even have a spirit/soul or even serve a purpose on this planet, except to give the parental bodies hapiness for a while. Heh, that's kind of depressing too...