OlgaTheDwarf Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Well, since we're back on topic I'll repost my questions because I'm really interested in a reply. If it sounds a bit confusing then go back and read my full post but I think this is pretty much what I want to know. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Valen [/i] [B] ...Oh yeah, and if you think Wicca is a strict religion that has a base belief system that says you have to believe in multiple gods/goddesses, you're very wrong. You can believe in only one god or goddess and not be given a second thought, whereas in Christianity, if you don't believe in something about it you'll be looked on as someone who needs "saving" from the unknown. Which is another reason I like Wicca way more than Christianity. No offense to anyone that's a heavy believer of Christianity, but meh, just the way I see things. [/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE] [B] So what you are saying is that wiccans are free to make up their own religion, nothing constant, just whatever "feels" right. So it's completely based on emotional, disregarding wether or not something is right or wrong. There's no Logic in that and I would never place my life on it, let alone my eternal life. Why would you like something that has even the slightest possibility of leaving you open to eternal damnation? [/B][/QUOTE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacophony Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 [QUOTE]So what you are saying is that wiccans are free to make up their own religion, nothing constant, just whatever "feels" right. So it's completely based on emotional, disregarding wether or not something is right or wrong. There's no Logic in that and I would never place my life on it, let alone my eternal life. Why would you like something that has even the slightest possibility of leaving you open to eternal damnation?[/QUOTE] Gardnerians Wiccans(the original Wiccans) do have laws and have one Goddess(a moon Goddess) and one God(the Horned-one) sometimes they use different names for the Goddess(Selene, Diana ect) but they consider them all the same one. These are the laws which they follow The Power shall not be used to bring harm, to injure or control others. But if the need rises, the Power shall be used to protect your life or the lives of others. The Power is used only as need dictates. The Power can be used for your own gain, as long as by doing so you harm none. It is unwise to accept money for use of the Power, for it quickly controls its taker. Be not as those of other religions. Use not the Power for prideful gain, for such cheapens the mysteries of Wicca and magick. Ever remember that the Power is the sacred gift of the Goddess and God, and should never be misused or abused. And this is the law of the Power. (yay for copy and paste lol) There's also been some branches of Wicca, Alexandrian(sp?) is one, there's a few others but I can't remember. Now there are some people how go around saying they are Wiccan but are really a mix of older pagan beliefs, I personally don't consider them Wiccan. [QUOTE]And as for reall spells, we do control teh weather. Atleast, I know I do.[/QUOTE] :wigout: Umm so how is it that you do this, be descriptive. Also what have you made happen; once again be descriptive:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skyechild91 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 [QUOTE]These are the laws which they follow The Power shall not be used to bring harm, to injure or control others. But if the need rises, the Power shall be used to protect your life or the lives of others. The Power is used only as need dictates. The Power can be used for your own gain, as long as by doing so you harm none. It is unwise to accept money for use of the Power, for it quickly controls its taker. Be not as those of other religions. Use not the Power for prideful gain, for such cheapens the mysteries of Wicca and magick. Ever remember that the Power is the sacred gift of the Goddess and God, and should never be misused or abused. And this is the law of the Power. [/QUOTE] Thankx for splanin tht. THe wiccan Rede is, ' An' it harm none, do as thou wilt.' And as for the weather thing, i can make it stop raining in about a minute, or make wind die down. thats about it, though. im only twelve so that much is okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genkai Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GuardianStorm [/i] [B]Sorry Drix. Luna meens moon on spanish. Diana is the greek goddess of teh moon and the hunt. And as for reall spells, we do control teh weather. Atleast, I know I do. Thats how I earned one if my witch names, Stormwind. I can do stuff with teh wind and stop it raining. THough it does take time, and lots of paitence. And i dont despise any christians, for the one who said that all wiccans hate christians. And a majority of the wiccans are nice. All the ones I know are. I am, my mom is, my bro is(okay, in magic related), my bffl, her mom(her mom worships Maat.) Not all of us are so called Satanists. [/B][/QUOTE] Anything will happen if you wait long enough. Call for winds? It's gonna wind SOMETIME. Plus, anything you do to the weather might have a negative effect on someone. What ever halpand to the spell coming back tenfold? Or is that only with bad intentions... Anyway, for every wiccan stopping the rain, there's one trying to start it. It doesn't work that way. If every other 12-year-old wanted to join in your weather spells, they oculd. Something's bound to happen. Then you have magical powahs! [QUOTE][B]The Power is used only as need dictates. [/B][QUOTE] If this is so, how do you learn "the power" How do you practice your spells? It's not needed to learn "the power" Also, when does need dictate controlling th weather? Never. The weather has always worked in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cacophony [/i] [B]Gardnerians Wiccans(the original Wiccans) do have laws and have one Goddess(a moon Goddess) and one God(the Horned-one) sometimes they use different names for the Goddess(Selene, Diana ect) but they consider them all the same one. These are the laws which they follow The Power shall not be used to bring harm, to injure or control others. But if the need rises, the Power shall be used to protect your life or the lives of others. The Power is used only as need dictates. The Power can be used for your own gain, as long as by doing so you harm none. It is unwise to accept money for use of the Power, for it quickly controls its taker. Be not as those of other religions. Use not the Power for prideful gain, for such cheapens the mysteries of Wicca and magick. Ever remember that the Power is the sacred gift of the Goddess and God, and should never be misused or abused. And this is the law of the Power. (yay for copy and paste lol) There's also been some branches of Wicca, Alexandrian(sp?) is one, there's a few others but I can't remember. Now there are some people how go around saying they are Wiccan but are really a mix of older pagan beliefs, I personally don't consider them Wiccan. [/B][/QUOTE] Well, I don't think you needed to put that whole thing about the "Law of the Power" in there, but whatever. I was more interested in what Valen had said about the "openess" of wicca. I guess that contradicts what you say about wicca having one god and one goddes. Now, either you must count Valen under the "some people" who you don't consider wiccan or it really is as "open" as Valen says it is and your entire post did not answer my questions. Anyways... So, what is the ultimate goal of wicca? I want to know why it was created, and what the point of it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epid3mic Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cacophony [/i] [B] These are the laws which they follow The Power shall not be used to bring harm, to injure or control others. But if the need rises, the Power shall be used to protect your life or the lives of others. The Power is used only as need dictates. The Power can be used for your own gain, as long as by doing so you harm none. It is unwise to accept money for use of the Power, for it quickly controls its taker. Be not as those of other religions. Use not the Power for prideful gain, for such cheapens the mysteries of Wicca and magick. Ever remember that the Power is the sacred gift of the Goddess and God, and should never be misused or abused. And this is the law of the Power. (yay for copy and paste lol) [/B][/QUOTE] This does little to answer the original question. What you posted is basically the Wiccan eqivilent of the Ten Commandments. What we, or I atleast, wanted to know is what seperates real Wiccans from "fake" Wiccans? It's one thing to follow a common guide of morals, but those laws tell nothing of who or how to worship. Once again, it's basically just left to whatever you want. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cacophony [/i][B] Be not as those of other religions. [/B][/QUOTE] I found that kind of interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 [color=#707875]And, is it just me...or is the whole concept of controlling weather yourself nothing if not circumventing the power/s of the Gods/Goddesses you worship. I mean, aren't you worshipping figures who hold those powers over you, as opposed to you holding them yourself? *shrug* I don't know. It's interesting to learn about various religions, but I don't think that there are many of you in this thread who really understand Wicca.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacophony Posted October 2, 2003 Share Posted October 2, 2003 I'm not a Wiccan, yet I seem to be doing most of the explaining of it.:p Anyways...I'm trying to explain to the best of my abilitities but my knowledge of it in some areas are lacking; for instance I know next to nothing about the actual rituals they preform. [QUOTE]Now, either you must count Valen under the "some people" who you don't consider wiccan or it really is as "open" as Valen says it is and your entire post did not answer my questions.[/QUOTE] All the information on Wicca I learned two years ago. I searched the internet went to libaries ect from what I learned you had to follow the Laws of Power and worship the Goddess and the Horned-One(or just the Goddess) to be considered a Wiccan. If Valen or anyone else doesn't follow them then they in my mind shouldn't be calling themselves Wiccan. One of the big problems of trying to learn about Wicca or Witchcraft is that there is a lot of BS out there that you have to wade through that's probably why you have all these people running around claiming to be Wiccans that don't even know it was created just over fifty years ago by Gerald Gardner. [QUOTE]*shrug* I don't know. It's interesting to learn about various religions, but I don't think that there are many of you in this thread who really understand Wicca.[/QUOTE] I don't understand it at all:p I just know a little bit about it. I started reserching it again since this topic started found some other info but too lazy to post that info atm:p Just wish the actual "Wiccans" would post more info:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cacophony [/i] [B]Just wish the actual "Wiccans" would post more info:p [/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, me too so I could at least talk to people who know what they're talking about. [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cacophony [/i] [B] One of the big problems of trying to learn about Wicca or Witchcraft is that there is a lot of BS out there that you have to wade through that's probably why you have all these people running around claiming to be Wiccans that don't even know it was created just over fifty years ago by Gerald Gardner. [/B][/QUOTE] Okay, so what about this Gardner Guy, why did he start it? What are his reasonings on why one should becaome a wiccan instead of another religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semjaza Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B][color=#707875]*shrug* I don't know. It's interesting to learn about various religions, but I don't think that there are many of you in this thread who really understand Wicca.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Truly. There's a difference between truly knowing and following something and just looking it up on the internet and regurgitating information you apparently haven't even read correctly. The fact that I could easily answer most of the unanswered questions presented in this thread when I don't believe this stuff is rather sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skyechild91 Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Well, guys, I started as a pagan. Paganism is not Wicca, but Wicca is a type of Paganism. And just so everyone knows, [B][I][U]WICCA IS NOT SATANISM.[/U][/I][/B] Here is a site for those of you who need to understand us better. [URL]www.paganpride.org.[/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Okay, I skipped about the first five pages, so forgive me if I bring up something that was already mentioned. Someone said earlier, that God must have created magic, ergo, it must be either good or neutral. First, God created Lucifer. Is Lucifer good? NO. God created angels and humans with free will. He allows us to go against what he wishes b/c He loves us. Second, I'm sorry, but magic (any REAL magic) is demonic, whether you realize it or not. Do any of you know the real story behind "The Exorcist"? A little boy became possessed after playing around w/ a seemingly harmless ouiji board. Magic is really not something to get caught up in. It can become very dangerous. I'm not saying that Wiccans aren't nice people or they have bad intentions. I'm just saying that they're confused about what they're getting into. Ok, you guys can crucify the outspoken Catholic. I'm done now. ~Artemis~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBZgirl88 Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 I'm muslim, so I believe that whichcraft is sinful. The reason for this is that whichcraft can only be done by communicating with jins (demons), and it can't be used for good. God forbids us to communicate with demons. Although, wiccans don't believe they are communicating with demons to preform their magic in their religion, they actually are (according to my religion), they just don't realize it. However, if the kind of cool magic that we see on T.V (like Harry Potter) was real I don't think that would be a problem if it was used for good. I guess God can decide whether or not to give you magical powers. However, I completely respect wiccans and have nothing against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darkish Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Im studying Wicca at the moment so im definitely not claiming to be an expert, or someone who just says they are Wiccan to impress people..I hear a lot of people talking about how its so evil and wrong...Im not saying those people are right, but they arent wrong either. Paganism and Wicca is just one of those things that takes awhile to be accepted..like everything does. I mean, when the computer was first invented, there was definitely a lot of commotion going on about it, and we have the same thing going on with gay marriage. Its just Wicca is taking longer to be accepted..because its just so big and controversial. And its not a material thing like a computer is. Wicca has so many paths as well...ecletic Wiccans, solitary Wiccans, Wiccans who practice in a group..thats not even the half of it. You get put into another category of Wicca just for choosing to worship a certain God. I think some people are kinda confused that in Wicca, you dont have to worship any God or Goddess! You can just have the faith if thats what your heart wants to do..thats the thing with Wicca. You create your own path; you dont follow another. Of course that brings up another point, if you feel your path is for evil, then Wicca just isnt right for you. I mean, who truly feels that is their path anyway in the first place? Wicca is a lot of emotion and choice, but there is basic rules as well... I hope my post kinda cleared up some things i saw in the earlier posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Welcome to the OtakuBoards Darkish. Please do not bring back old threads. This thread was last posted on in October of 2003. It is better to start a new thread on a subject you feel would generate quality discussion than resurrect an old thread. ~Panda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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