God in 60 Seconds

[AutoKill]

Dagger IX1
What i posted is rather scattered as far as the actual topic. But i have seen tons of these posts that talk about religion vs evolution. So i gave my opinion in its fullest of what i truly think of religion. Sorry if you didn?t understand it. Am not much for putting my thoughts into words. My comments are indeed harsh. And am not the type that try?s to soften my words in such ways to make opposing readers feel less insulted. I know that there is a diverse number of religious people that really cant be categorized in the same category as other religious people. Am just pointing out a stereotype that usually appears in most of these cases. (I call them the bible beaters)

You can fight all the little details of religion vs evolution. But it won?t get you very far, very fast. But i understand that society very rarely makes huge strides to settle differences. But in my logical thinking you should go straight to the heart of the problem.

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AutoKill [/i]
[B]Drix D'Zanth....

You just don?t get it do you. You are just a subject of human reasoning. Am sure that you have no clue what am talking about. Seeing that most Christians don?t have a original thought in their head. [/B][/QUOTE]

"Am sure that you have no clue what am talking about." Of course I don't have a damn clue at what you're talking about when you can't even use simple pronouns. You're right, Christians believe god created this wonderful, intuitive human brain and expected us to NOT have any sort of origionality. That's why the God I belive with doesn't change as civilization and epochs move onward. That's why God gave us free will, so we aren't machines mindlessly following some indoctrine... I enjoy your ignorant generalization right after saying I don't get it... lovely.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AutoKill [/i]
[B]Every one is subject to curiosity. You can find this out just by looking at little kids. Their minds are growing and in this time they make complete thoughts in their head on how things work. If they see a bird flying they probably aren?t going to make the conclusion that the bird can fly b/c its bones are hollow and it has wings. (Not unless they were told by their parents are teachers) So they may think about this and say, ?The bird can fly because it?s small.? That is a example of human reasoning. Making a hypothesis from your own observations. [/B][/QUOTE]

Birds don't fly because of hollow bones and wings... they fly because they hold antimatter in their gullet.

What does human reasoning have to do with anything? You generalized before by calling the christians unorigional and "bible-beating", and I called you on it. Now you think I don't belive we are subject to our own hypothesis?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AutoKill [/i]
[B]So is it to hard to think that humans made up religion just out of stupid human reasoning. Greek mythology is full of examples. So what makes the bible so different? People just seem so mystified by the bible, that they think it?s so remarkable. Every one seems to think 2000 years people were stupid. I will give you another example. People did not know if the world was flat or round. If any one 2000 years ago happened to look up at the sky they would see that the moon and sun formed a circle. And then a person used shadows to prove that the earth was round. [/B][/QUOTE]

Greek Mythology claimed that hydras existed, terrorizing the plains. Please don't compare the two, Christianity does have plenty of history to back it up. It's suprising to me that you, a person obviously untouched by the Holy Spirit, can justify God. People weren't stupid 2000 years ago, they just didn't have time to care about a bird's hollow bones when Moses was trying to save them from Egypt.

Actually none of them could "prove" anything. They could hypothesize , but not prove. Until we went out into orbit and checked it out from there, did we ever truely know. Of course, this doesn't mean we didn't belive it untill then.

Once again.. you're straying FAR off topic.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AutoKill [/i]
[B]The bible said that the world was round. The bible is full of these little things that prove to be right. So people go along with human reasoning at its the best. I image it would be hard to prove something wrong that has been added on to for 2000 years. [/B][/QUOTE]

* I look at my bible* Where? Where does it say the earth is round? I saw 'round the earth... but nothing on that. Who's trying to prove the earth is flat? I know it was subject for quite a bit of tension back during the Renaissance...
The bible is written by people touched by the Holy spirit. You can't really undestand anything about the Holy Spirit until you experience it. Otherwise, you are left to your own explinations of God, which always inevedibly fall short.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by AutoKill [/i]
[B]Please Drix D?Zanth, try to give me a little more of a argument other then quoting every thing I say. You falter me to much by doing so. [/B][/QUOTE]

You're exactly right. I falter you quite a bit.... Try this: I called you on some random and vauge comment, and you replied with heavy vitrolic that seemed inredibly offensive but was, quoting you, "to be funny." If this whole thing's a joke , why are you taking it so seriously? I'm not taking this thread as a joke in the first place, don't try and all me on that .:laugh: Let's see.. then I call you on your severe lack of knowledge on the Bible and you argue that humanity has a natural reasoning? I know that human reasoning is everywhere, who's to say it contradicts God? Apparently you, despite the fact it describes the human mind throughouht the Bible.... Then you continue to rip the topic away from it's source by spewing some random fact like "the earth is round" and saying the Bible proves it.... right. I don't need to post an argument as I agree with most of the people here as it is, I don't find the need to reply. As for you.. I think you provide more than enough idiocy to entertain me well enough here.

From now on.. stay and argue on topic, stop trying to flame me on something you have absolutely no idea about.

Ugh, now you've got me all hot and bothered. :mad:

[FallOut]

To "Circuit/J:
What did Jesus say to Martha before he rose Lazarus from the dead?
That is where he said that you could recieve him after you were dead or recieve him while you lived and never die. In my opinion (which is not narrow minded) it means if you die, you never received him until then. Think about it.

Christ also said that not all shall die, some shall be changed.

John 3:16 says that God gave his only begotten son so that everyone who believed on Him would not perish (meaning die) and have eternal life.

Also how can you believe in "By His stripes I'm healed, when you have to get sick and corrupt to die in the first place?

I don't believe in a rapture. I've already been raptured man. This world is not going to stay the way it is. The incorruptibles will take over. I know a lot of people that died waiting for that joke to come to pass.

What did God tell Adam and Eve would happen to them if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Did he tell them that they were going to go to hell?

No.

He told them they would surely die. And that is what they do and they are born again, because all life is eternal since Christ died. Why do you think people saw the dead walking through the streets after His death. That was the first resurrection. The rest just have to be back here over and over again until they receive the truth about what Christ really finished. That is the second death and the next repeatedly until finished.

(Study your Greek) For example 2x mean over and over with eventual end
3x means over and over forever.

That was Hell and Death he finished, by the way.

But His mercy stays in place for those who remain in judgment.
You would not want to live forever in judgment.

That would be hell and is what I believe to be Hell.

As for your bible thumping, spirit filled, tongues talking, so called Christians..........one almost killed my sister............she actually died and was recusitated. 5 years ago when I was 5 and my sister was 10 a lady from church, this sweet lady from church as everyone believed, babysat for us for the weekend. After making us watch a marathon of about 12 hours of Christian T.V.
she got the idea that we were posessed by the devil and she had to pray the demons out of us. Well this schizo lady starts purging our house of food and our toys and clothes and stuff, she then thinks that the rapture is coming and she better kill us before it comes so we don't get left behind. So she stabs my sister in the chest severing a main artery and doing damage to her heart with a butcher knife and cuts my sisters throat, larnyx and just missing the caroted arteries, but doesn't count on me running for help. Not only did my sister have to recover from the attack and all the surgeries and therapy, she had to fight a bad case of Hepatitis that she contracted from the blood of the babysitter, not a transfusion! She is still in recovery.

My sister lives. She has seen God. He was not your god of death. My sister is Kanojo and she has been inside the Holiest of Holies. She has drunk from the face of eternal life itself. She has seen many visions and dreamed many dreams and she always speaks the truth. She could not have just dreamed up herself the wisdom she has been given.

Not everything is as you believe it to be. All things are possible.
You limit God to your logic and emotions. That is the 10 percent of mans mind used under the law of sacrifice and death.

[John]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by FallOut [/i]
[B]To "Circuit/J:
What did Jesus say to Martha before he rose Lazarus from the dead?
That is where he said that you could recieve him after you were dead or recieve him while you lived and never die. In my opinion (which is not narrow minded) it means if you die, you never received him until then. Think about it.

Christ also said that not all shall die, some shall be changed.

John 3:16 says that God gave his only begotten son so that everyone who believed on Him would not perish (meaning die) and have eternal life.

Also how can you believe in "By His stripes I'm healed, when you have to get sick and corrupt to die in the first place?[/B][/QUOTE]
That isn't at all what Jesus said to Martha. What he said was:

"Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
John 11:23-26

It says if you believe in Him, though you are dead, you will live; [B]And[/B] if you believe and live, you won't die anyway. It uses death to mean judgement or Hell; and notice how I bolded the word "and." It doesn't say "or" anywhere in there. Basically, if you're dead physically, but you believed in life, you'll be in Heaven; but if you're still alive and you believe, then when you die you won't go to Hell.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by FallOut[/i]
[B]I don't believe in a rapture. I've already been raptured man. This world is not going to stay the way it is. The incorruptibles will take over. I know a lot of people that died waiting for that joke to come to pass.[/B][/QUOTE]
How could you possibly believe one thing in The Bible, and not believe another? It clearly states that there will be a rapture. Do you know what that means? That means [i]there will be a rapture.[/i] C'mon, is it [i]that[/i] difficult?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by FallOut[/i]
[B]What did God tell Adam and Eve would happen to them if they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Did he tell them that they were going to go to hell?

No.

He told them they would surely die. And that is what they do and they are born again, because all life is eternal since Christ died. Why do you think people saw the dead walking through the streets after His death. That was the first resurrection. The rest just have to be back here over and over again until they receive the truth about what Christ really finished. That is the second death and the next repeatedly until finished.[/B][/QUOTE]
For the Adam-and-Eve part, see my first reply; and why would the dead just hang around and wait to figure out the truth? No, that is nowhere in The Word. If you die, you go to Heaven or Hell. In case you need me to type it again: if you die you go to Heaven or Hell. Let it sink in a minute, it'll make sense eventually.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by FallOut[/i]
[B]As for your bible thumping, spirit filled, tongues talking, so called Christians..........one almost killed my sister............she actually died and was recusitated. 5 years ago when I was 5 and my sister was 10 a lady from church, this sweet lady from church as everyone believed, babysat for us for the weekend. After making us watch a marathon of about 12 hours of Christian T.V.
she got the idea that we were posessed by the devil and she had to pray the demons out of us. Well this schizo lady starts purging our house of food and our toys and clothes and stuff, she then thinks that the rapture is coming and she better kill us before it comes so we don't get left behind. So she stabs my sister in the chest severing a main artery and doing damage to her heart with a butcher knife and cuts my sisters throat, larnyx and just missing the caroted arteries, but doesn't count on me running for help. Not only did my sister have to recover from the attack and all the surgeries and therapy, she had to fight a bad case of Hepatitis that she contracted from the blood of the babysitter, not a transfusion! She is still in recovery.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok, Christians don't talk in tongues, and judging by your accuracy so far, I'm not sure if this lady even considers herself a Christian or not; because it seems you've been generalizing the term simply to mean a protestant. This is all supposing the story is true, though I honestly don't care if it is or not. In any case, I'd say that lady was just insane, because no sane person, Christian or not, just acts as sweet as can be and then flips out and tries to kill someone.

[FallOut]

To Circuit/J:

The word rapture is not in the bible. If you can find it please show it to me.

You can take all the things of the bible and try to twist them to what you believe and have been taught. You can take spiritual things and try to make them logical and logical things and try to make them spiritual.

Jesus also said that Lazarus was asleep and then the disciples said that they were glad that Lazarus was resting. Jesus then informed them that Lazarus was really dead.

That means there is no difference between those asleep and those dead, to God.

If you have not truly received salvation from death, you have not woke up yet. Your faith is in death. You glorify death and your god of death. You call him Jesus.

Your god is not my God.

My God came to give life more abundantly.
My God came to pay the ultimate punishment for sin so I wouldn't have to die.

Why should I wait for the Kingdom when I have already been translated?

My God is better is better than your god. Heck, I'm better than your god.

[Justin]

Circuit, you're dead friggin' wrong, buddy. Jesus Himself said one sign of a Christian would be speaking in new, unknown tongues. (Mar 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues...") And that's not the first biblical discrepency I've seen you post here. So, in all respect, I ask you to PM me soon.

As for that lady, obviously she's insane. If I were you, I'd have called a demon out of her, instead, because it certainly sounds like if there were any present, they were in her.

And in order to take every word of the Bible and translate it into what you want to, you'd have to be on LSD. Most of the Bible(save prophecy) is very blatant and direct about it's purpose.

The God I serve came to provide an opportunity to live eternally in perfect harmony with Him. That was Jesus's purpose--to be a final sacrifice. We wait His Kingdom, because there we won't have to deal with this world, frankly. If you don't believe that, hey, your loss. I'm still not sure what point you're arguing here.

I'll try and read a little in your last couple statements, though. Let me know if I'm wrong: You say people worship Jesus as a God of death. I gather that you mean they forget that He is not dead--He is very much alive. This is true, and another major point for the morbid religious people to dribble on.

That's the most I can gather from it. I'd like you to PM me, as well. Just to infrom me of your personal beliefs and such; you've caught my interest.

-Justin

[FallOut]

To Justin:

As far as I know, I am speaking in an unknown tongue here, as no one seems to understands what I am trying to say.

It's very simple you see. I haven't heard anything here that I haven't heard thousands of times before. Some of these debates, remind me of a bunch of old geezers sitting in front of a bowling alley drinking too much coffee, waiting for the bus. They still haven't figured it out.

You call the god of your emotions and judgments Jesus.

I call Jesus God.

You call a prophet someone who tells the future.

I call a prophet one who has the testimony of the finished work of Christ.

You sit and wait for judgment day and call it faith.

I say judgment day has come and gone.

I say it wouldn't be faith to believe what you believe. It's too easy. Proof of death is all around you.

I say it would be faith to believe what I believe. I have no proof,
but know that it is true.

To believe what I believe would be the death of your system.

To believe what I believe you would have to throw your judgments away.

To believe what I believe would be harder than dying many deaths.

To believe what I believe you would have to accept the fact that Jesus said, "It is finished."

"Father forgive them for THEY (meaning all) know not what they do."

Sooner or later you will get it.

Hopefully sooner.

Why do you think Jesus told those women who were following him weeping as he was about to take away the sins of the "entire" world in His own sight, to not weep for him but for themselves and their children? (that was 2x) meaning there would someday be an end to their weeping.

He said that because He knew that they would not recieve the truth for a long time. He knew that many would come using His Name like a rabbits foot.

He knew that their emotions would cry out for more sacrifice and more blood.

He knew that that they would take the old covering that they had on and hold on to the sleeve ends and turn the coat inside out for 2000 years like naughty children.

He knew that their logic would cry out for proof and no proof would be given. But logic is a fool.

He knew that the anti-christ spirit was in the world already. And that was to deny what He was truly going to do. And that was to give us eternal life without death.

God could have sent a squirrel to do the job you claim He did.

And yes the woman who hurt my sister was insane. It was her belief system that made her that way. It was passed down to her like a filthy rag. It was the only thing she knew.

But vengence was Gods. 2000 years ago he took out our vengence upon Himself. When He looks at that lady, He sees her as bright and shining as the morning sun as he does all of us. Why would a God that sees no sin in us, condemn even one to an eternal hell? Especially since we know not what we do?

The sacrifice is over. Hell and death have been removed. The truth has come back to the world now. I know, because it is in me.

I know others that have recieved the truth. Not many, but a few.

I could go on and on forever, literally, but I will stop now. I hope I answered some of your questions about my beliefs.

[AutoKill]

quote]Originally posted by Drix D'Zanth

Birds don't fly because of hollow bones and wings... they fly because they hold antimatter in their gullet.[/quote]

There are mine reasons why birds can fly. I didn?t want to list every single reasons why they can.

That brings me to another point. You take everything word for word. It easy to point out things i say and make shrewd comments.

I find religion to be a marvelous retreat from reality. I find that there is no real thing that sets us apart from any other living thing on this world. Only that we are the top of the food chain. So with humans adapted minds we started coming up with things like religion. Like i mentioned in the last post. I simply think that religion is something that was made up from the beginning. And it was made up by human hypothesis.
These or my thoughts that i have came up with. I don?t expect any one but me to belive them. I could be wrong i could be right. But the only thing that really matters to me is making Christian people mad. (10$ says you quote me on this) ((Am being sarcastic.))
So do i look down on some one if they are a deeply religious. Yes.
Do i pride into their life by demanding 60seconds of atheist talk before school starts. No. You may say. The 60seconds is for any religion. By saying that you shouldered be offended if a student starts making 6 point stars on a peace of paper and goes into a drug-induced trance. I will fall back on my quote. I made up.
"Freedom of speech is one thing, but lest to speech to freaken loud."-Me
It means that just because we have freedom of speech. Doesn?t mean we should us it to justify everything.

[Mitch]

[size=1] I hope this thread is closed lol. It has strayed far, far off the topic....[/size]

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][size=1] It has strayed far, far off the topic....[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=#707875]Agreed. Isn't it possible to discuss a prayer time in schools without getting into a back-and-forth about whether religion is right/wrong/etc?

I guess not.[/color]