Human Minds

[ktangelprncss]

I doubt that anyone really understands infinity. I think about infinity a lot, I just can't seem to get it out of my mind. Here's basically what i've concluded:

Everything has to have an end, they can't go on forever, but what is beyond that end, and the universe can't just stop somewhere, or can it?

I still don't understand it all. I doubt anyone will make any sense of what I just wrote.

[IkkiMechaPilot]

yes we know what makes stuff alive... take a bio class and you will learn it. and infinity is graspable by the concept itself cause its just infinity. it actualy harder to grasp how tiny an atom is cause think about how many cells there are in your body then think about a cell consisting of about as many atoms at a comparative ratio. also if earth was spare sun materiel how does that work? the sun is made of mydrgeon and gasses in fussion status not metals and miquids and all the stuff earth is made of and the sun is just made of the elements its made of so thats the end of that. it doesnt come from infinity cause that just makes no sence. i suggest you think of infinity as a concept and not try and see it in your minds eyes cause that might hurt you and no one wants you to have brain damage.

[Krademon]

Abstrac is controling ones emotions? No for me at least. Probably more of an expression of a felling, idea or emotion. And has anyone actually taken classes on abstractism or are you like me and like wording things correctly so it reads like a science paper :P
Anyway, about God having created everything it does explain lots of things about the complexity of evolution and such but not why there are leftovers. Anyway if you can imagine then you can convert memories into thoughts and pictures. This could be what abstract thought is, as humans seem to be able to do this process quite well.

[elf_gurl_kagome]

my theory of y ppl r alive is tha we evolved from single cellular organisms from the sea and then we gradually became wha we r today...i dont really no bout the other stuff...its kinda confusin.

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by elf_gurl_kagome [/i]
[B]my theory of y ppl r alive is tha we evolved from single cellular organisms from the sea and then we gradually became wha we r today...i dont really no bout the other stuff...its kinda confusin. [/B][/QUOTE]

This post quality is horrible. This type of posting is absolutely unacceptable on otakuboards. Allow me to elaborate. I've corrected your mistakes in red.

[color=red]My[/Color] theory of [color=red]why[/Color] [color=red]people[/Color] [color=red]are[/Color] alive [color=red]is: [/Color] we evolved from single cellular organisms from the sea and then we gradually became [color=red]what[/Color] we [color=red]are[/Color] today... [color=red]I[/Color] [color=red]don?t[/Color] really [color=red]know[/Color] [color=red]about[/Color] the other stuff... [color=red]it?s[/Color] [color=red]kind of[/Color] [color=red]confusing[/Color].

"kinda confusin?" Yeah, I'm sure you don't know much "bout the other stuff" considering your post quality is little better than what single celled organisms could rack of.

There's around 13 grammar and spelling errors in here, as well as various syntax problems. If I find ANY post in the lounge with more than 10 errors, I will delete them.

Honestly people, post quality has really got to improve here. I've only been gone for two days, and it's been declining fairly rapidly. Use MS Word to type up your post... it's as simple as a copy paste.

I debated whether I should close the entire thread thanks to "elf_gurl", but upon reading the GREAT discussion of abstract thought, I decided to hold back.

Don't make me regret my decision.

[Brasil]

[quote]I really don't have much to say in response lol. I see something defined such as abstract shouldn't have a venued and certain definition as you seem to claim it has; as in, having complete control of your emotions, doing everything and doing it right, and so on. How is this abstract? How is being in complete control of your emotions abstract, or how is something even labeled as ?abstractism.? At dictionary.com there is no definition for abstractism. It doesn't state these things you seem to say are ?abstractism.?[/quote]

You won?t find ?Abstractism? in any dictionary?not for about 40 years. And considering you went to look up ?Abstractism,? and not finding any definition of it, doesn?t that create a VERY specialized word? So specialized that dictionaries don?t have it (yet)?

[quote]Abstractism, to me, isn't some state of mind, or some certain way you have to be. I haven't learned it like this...I'm guessing you took some classes or such about it, and from it have coined this term; but to me, abstractism isn't what you say.[/quote]

I have taken no classes regarding abstract thought. I live in abstract thought; I breathe it; I am abstract thought. The reason why you won?t find ?Abstractism? anywhere in any dictionary is because I coined it.

[quote]And really, all it is is a word. A word put together by letters. That's all abstractism is. Just think about it...by defining "abstractism" you in turn aren't being abstract. You're conforming to this belief that, by the so-called principles you have learned of "abstractism," that this is how and what it is. When in reality...it isn't anything but a definition. You're living by this definition.[/quote]

OK. What are words? Inventions of the mind. Look at that. Inventions of the mind. Look at John Milton. He coined the term ?pandemonium.? Seriously. He did. And now we find it in any dictionary we pick up. Does that mean John Milton wasn?t abstract? He created a word. His mind developed something that no other human being had ever heard of and a word that until his time, had never been seen or defined. That?s pretty remarkable. That?s pretty out of the ordinary. That?s pretty specialized thought. Pretty abstract.

Again, I have not taken any classes regarding my methodology ?Abstractism.? Anything I present is of my own self-awareness. That is a criteria for Abstractism. Once a mind becomes self-aware, it begins learning at an incredible rate.

[quote]My thoughts on what you have said or unfocused. I don't quite see what you're saying exactly. To me, being abstract is being original.[/quote]

?being abstract is being original?

Let?s examine that.

George Lucas. Was Star Wars original? Mostly, yes. Groundbreaking story and setting. Is George Lucas abstract? Definitely not.

Steven Spielberg. Original? Hell yes. Abstract? Not at all.

Stanley Kubrick. Original? Yeah. Abstract? Lives in Abstractism.

Tim Burton. Original? Yep. Abstract? Yep.

Quentin Tarantino. Original? Undeniably. Abstract? To the extent of WTF!

Compare Star Wars to Pulp Fiction. Both are original, of course. But Star Wars is not abstract alone, and cannot ever hope to achieve the levels of Pulp Fiction. Why? Because while George Lucas may be original, he is not abstract.

Spielberg?s greatest work. Schindler?s List. On a level of Abstraction, compare it to Reservoir Dogs. Spielberg just isn?t abstract to begin with, although he is highly original.

Let?s take writing.

J.K. Rowling. Harry Potter. Original? Hell yes. Abstract? Hell no.

Brian Jacques. Redwall. Original? Indeed. Abstract? No.

Pierre Boulle. Planet Of The Apes (original novel). Original? Oh yeah. Abstract? Oh yeah.

Rowling and Jacques simply cannot stand up against Boulle?s work, because while they all are original, Boulle is an Abstractist. No normal thinker could come up with Planet Of The Apes, but non-Abstractists are very capable of creating what Rowling and Jacques have created.

Simply?

Originality is but a sliver of Abstractism. Claiming to be abstract simply because one is original is unwise. One is abstract because they are fully of the notions of Abstractism, not because they possess only one quality of Abstractism.

[Mitch]

[size=1] If you "coined" the phrase, then it's of your own design, and thereby I won't be labeled by it.

As for what you said, you are right, you have crushed what I said. I tend to overlook things, it can be said.

Otherwise...we can continue to go back and forth about what abstract is, and we shall keep contradicting one another. I myself tire of this.

I don't believe "abstractism" is what you say it is. Something that is abstract is a lot of things--it is a combination of originality, surprise, intuition, invention, innovation, and too many other things to list. And when you get down to it, all of these things I listed themselves aren't abstract in certain situations--just as you've taken comparisons from basic works of art, such as movies and poems.[/size]

[Brasil]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
[B][size=1] If you "coined" the phrase, then it's of your own design, and thereby I won't be labeled by it.

As for what you said, you are right, you have crushed what I said. I tend to overlook things, it can be said.

Otherwise...we can continue to go back and forth about what abstract is, and we shall keep contradicting one another. I myself tire of this.

I don't believe "abstractism" is what you say it is. Something that is abstract is a lot of things--it is a combination of originality, surprise, intuition, invention, innovation, and too many other things to list. And when you get down to it, all of these things I listed themselves aren't abstract in certain situations--just as you've taken comparisons from basic works of art, such as movies and poems.[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

All righty.

Twas a good and wholesome speak.
Cheers!

[Adahn]

People see the big bang as the beginning, while it isn't. It is [i]a[/i] beginning. It's also an end. You have to step away from numbers to think about infinity. Trying to make it mathematical is impossible, because restricting something infinite to numbers or time limits our perception of it. The universe always is, has been, and will be. We can "squish" time down, and imagine things that took very long periods of time. For example, imagine the beginning of earth. All the volcanoes and explosions and stuff. Eventually, it cools down, there is water. Life happens (in one way or another). Life progresses, all while our imagination sees the earth spinning, up until today, this moment, right now. We live in a time, not the time. Our universe is of limited resources and unlimited time. We focus on events that occur to the limited matter, and we limit ourselves. Take away the matter, and what do you have? You have the emptiness of space that has always existed. The concept of infinity isn't about something that doesn't end, but something that never began. What we really have to understand is not the meaning of life, but the meaning of existence itself. That's what my mind can't get ahold of, non-existence. What if there was no existence at all? There wouldn't even be emptiness. I can live with infinity, the idea that everything is, always has been, and always will be. I just hope existence doesn't decide that it doesn't want to exist anymore.

[Brasil]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Adahn [/i]
[B]That's what my mind can't get ahold of, non-existence. What if there was no existence at all? There wouldn't even be emptiness. I can live with infinity, the idea that everything is, always has been, and always will be. I just hope existence doesn't decide that it doesn't want to exist anymore. [/B][/QUOTE]

Don't you worry about that, Adahn. Once we collide with some Dark Matter, we're toast.

The way I see it, enjoy the ride while it lasts. It's a rollercoaster for some, a log flume for others. For me? It's the Disney Dumbo kiddie ride. :) lol.

But yeah. Nonexistence is there. It's just on a different plane right now. But it'll hit us. Oh, it will. We won't feel anything except a second of immense pain, then...nothing.

There's a bad moon risin, cause Dark Matter's on the horizon, and that's funky **** goin down in existence.

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by PoisonTongue [/i]
[B]
But yeah. Nonexistence is there. It's just on a different plane right now. But it'll hit us. Oh, it will. We won't feel anything except a second of immense pain, then...nothing.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Does matter define existence? If you belive so then what is vaccum, or energy for that matter? I know Einstien's theory that energy is matter at the speet of light, [i]squared[/i]. Good luck proving it, and if you ask me, it's pretty ballpark. Not even Einstien could properly conclude why he used the wavelength of white light to theorize this.

Antimatter (dark) [i]exists[/i], by definition it basically contradicts itself. It is nonexistent in fairly malleable form. You said it yourself, " Nonexistence is there. It's just on a different plane right now.", then it exists! It exists on a different plane? I don't want to get into plato's various perspectives of reality, or deep into Relativity to postulate what planes are... however if the planes exist, then even "nonexistent" objects exist.

I belive non-existence is impossible, and should be re-defined as non-occurance. Why isn't a glass of water in my hand right now? Well, it does exist on several nonmaterial dimmensia, including my own mind.... however it hasn't occured.

We are so limited by our own perceptions, it's scary.

I know I took you too seriously, PT, this isn't directed towards you; mostly my take on non-existence.... etc.

[Brasil]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Drix D'Zanth [/i]
[B]Does matter define existence? If you belive so then what is vaccum, or energy for that matter? I know Einstien's theory that energy is matter at the speet of light, [i]squared[/i]. Good luck proving it, and if you ask me, it's pretty ballpark. Not even Einstien could properly conclude why he used the wavelength of white light to theorize this.

Antimatter (dark) [i]exists[/i], by definition it basically contradicts itself. It is nonexistent in fairly malleable form. You said it yourself, " Nonexistence is there. It's just on a different plane right now.", then it exists! It exists on a different plane? I don't want to get into plato's various perspectives of reality, or deep into Relativity to postulate what planes are... however if the planes exist, then even "nonexistent" objects exist.

I belive non-existence is impossible, and should be re-defined as non-occurance. Why isn't a glass of water in my hand right now? Well, it does exist on several nonmaterial dimmensia, including my own mind.... however it hasn't occured.

We are so limited by our own perceptions, it's scary.

I know I took you too seriously, PT, this isn't directed towards you; mostly my take on non-existence.... etc. [/B][/QUOTE]

No harm done. You did take me too seriously. Idiot (lol ;))

Mostly I was just goofing off there, but I do believe there's a massive catastrophe coming involving the very fabric of the universe. Of course, according to my other belief (the one in which the human race will destroy themselves in about 100 years), humans won't be around to witness time and space unraveling. hehe. Mmmm...goofing off with abstract thought.

Tis an activity of a most pleasant nature,
Coupled with lighthearted deeper comprehension
Of something that is very dark both
In its physicality, if "physicality" can be used,
And in its metaphysical ideals,
The ideals that such,
Exist only in our minds,
The definitions we with consciousness give to them.
This is the precise err of our ways,
For we seek to explain what we cannot,
And it is this which leads to destruction,
As attempting to know what we have
Little to none capacity to fathom,
Does not present benefiting nature,
Only seeking to confuse the masses further.
It doth not confuse ones such as Drix and myself,
Nor does Adahn seem vexed and perplexed,
But for the good of the order,
Nay, for the good of the world,
And for the good of the humanitied existence,
We must cease this discussion,
For we only provide enlightenment to ourselves,
And further send the rest into question.

Come, come with me, Drix and Adahn,
For one day we shall go chat,
In a chat that does not exist unless our
Digital representations are presented,
A chat that takes place not in the physical world,
But in a world like our minds,
One that has space only in non-space,
That is to say,
Space not of the known physical realm.

Tis sweet to gorge upon the
Hypothetical vessel of our minds,
For in our minds, ideas are
Constructed and animated,
Only to be destructed and ended,
Then to be brought about again
When our space within ourselves is
Ready to go again, to journey
Where none have ventured to go,
To explore the vastness of deep thought,
And muse over the workings of things.

That is our purpose;
To muse,
To think,
And to attempt to comprehend,
For what is knowing?
How can one have full knowing of existence?
We cannot, and therefore,
The ride is what we shall enjoy,
But still open to new ideas,
To adapt, to incorporate those thoughts,
And absorb new knowledge.
That is what we do,
And that is what we are supposed to do.

[Ellester41]

I saw this show on tv, and the people on it said that all exsistance is like a loaf of bread. Different slices are different dimensions. If that has anything to do with anything. Anyway- I think the thing that makes you alive is your kii(kie,whatever) or soul/spirit.

[Rockstar Haruko]

What makes a person alive? Easy. God. If you do research in the bible, which actually gives you the answers to everything you need to know about life (and which is actually the word of God), you will find that it says so. No one seems to realize that God created everything so wouldn't he have all the answers? Hmmm.... ponder, ponder....