free speech gone too far?

[lea]

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the other night, i was watching a news show (dont remember what it was called, but, it had dan rather as an interviewer)
anyways, they were interviewing toby keith, a country singer.
i wasnt paying any attention, untill they were talking about his controversial lyrics of late.
toby keith sang some lyrics of a new song that he wrote, something about taliban...
what shocked me was when his lyrics started to sound like he was making fun of the islamic relgion!
dan rather picked up on the tone, and asked "your lyrics sound like your demeaning the islamic relgion....what do you say to that?"
toby keith said "hey, its what all of america feels" *grins hugely*

do you thing that freedome of speech can be taken too far?

take into consideration, jon stewart of the daily show, and southpark.
they make fun of contorversial issues, but, most people find them funny....
what do you guys think?[/COLOR]

[KKC]

I think Freedom speech is used too far sometimes, but most of the time it's just a joke to let people laugh (like South Park). Sometimes it is used seriously and that is when it has gone too far. Of course, when someone gets in trouble and maybe shown publicy, they use the excuses "It's a free country" and "I have the freedom to speek don't I?"
Basicly, thay take freedoms and abuse them.

[KarmaOfChaos]

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Free speech is free speech. If Toby Keith feels that way, and wants to sing about it, then let him. That is completly his choice and doesn't affect me in the least. Although it is ignorant and arrogant of him to say 'It's what all of America feels,' that only reflects his stupidity, and not mine.

If you don't like what someone has to say, don't listen to their CD, watch their show, whatever. And if you feel so strong about it that you feel you must argue, then argue. That's what free speech is all about. ^-~

And as for shows like South Park, they're parodies. They're supposed to make fun of serious things. Put a lighter view on them. Yes, they are offensive to a substantial amount of people, but those people can choose not to watch it. Protesting against it isn't really accomplishing anything, they're still going to do it.

The only problem with free speech is when people abuse the right and get in people's face, and don't leave them alone. Yes, you have the right to free speech, but they also have the right not to listen. That is the only time when I consider free speech taken too far.

-Karma
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[Corey]

I argued the fact that I didn't have free speech in school once.
They told me I don't have the right to free speech until I turn 18.

I then proceeded to scream at him about the constitution and screamed at me that the constitutiona pplies to MEN, not pubescant boys.

[Rockstar Haruko]

It's good that we have Freedom of Speech. This way everyone can express what they feel. Sadly, some people abuse this privilege. KarmaOfChaos set it out straight. If a person doesn't want to listen to something then they don't have to, but people can, on the other hand, practice self-control. Just because a person feels the need to make fun of a group of people and their religion doesn't make it all right for them to do so. To me, there's a time and a place to say certain things. Some people are just ignorant.

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KnightOfTheRose [/i]
[B]I then proceeded to scream at him about the constitution and screamed at me that the constitutiona pplies to MEN, not pubescant boys. [/B][/QUOTE]

He actually said that? I honestly find that hard to believe. That's a terrible excuse.

The reason he should've given you is that free speech doesn't fly in schools. Schools make rules, you abide by them.

[Corey]

Yeah, he actually said that.

[KarmaOfChaos]

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School is a dictatorship, not a democracy. Perhaps we should start a revolution?

^-~

-Karma
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[Corey]

Yeah. A good idea, but something extremely hard to put into effect without all that bad concequenses stuff.

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lea2385 [/i]
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do you thing that freedome of speech can be taken too far?
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I'd rather have it taken too far than not have it at all.

[Charles]

Well, like any freedom, the freedom of speech is capable of being abused; it's relatively easy for ignorant people to spread hateful or disagreeable messages. In a sense, it's up to us to recognize when one group of people is needlessly attacking another and counteract it through peaceful means (although such demonstrations aren't always capable of being resolved respectfully and maturely by a long shot). Generally, abusive rhetoric is baseless and easily dismissed as rubbish though, so it doesn't accomplish much.

Nothing particularly harmful in the lyrics for "Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue" jumped out at me. It didn't seem like it was isolating and debasing the Islamic religion. Personally speaking, I feel it's just another run-of-the-mill attempt to capitalize on lingering emotions and fears dating back to the terrorist attacks by using poorly-written patriotic rhetoric. If there's any controversy here, it lies in the fact that so-called musical artists are [i]still[/i] stirring up attention by relying on played out source material. It's pathetic and uninspired.

As far as freedom of speech in general goes, Rockstar Haruko was on the money. There is a time and a place for freedom of speech. School isn't one of those places because it isn't a democracy. It's an institution that has to operate under its own set of guidelines. In a sense, freedom of speech does exist in the school environment--but it's limited for the purpose of preserving order.

[Guest Crimson Spider]

I don't see freedom. I can't walk up and make a whole bunch of racial jokes just because I'm white. I don't have the freedom to do that.

Something else I heard is that they are trying to make it so you can't say Jesus Christ on television. They already have it on all the channels except for the christian channel, which their trying to get them to say only god. Where's the freedom then? Even if it is poorly being enforced, it's still not freedom.

I have problems with the freedom of speech. You see, freedom of speech also allows freedom to lie. Why would we have the freedom to lie? What good could ever come out of that? Also is freedom of the press. That means that you get 1 view on things. Also means that they can not tell you facts, and also lie to you. As many of you know, I don't like our modern media. I mean, like when the Anthrax Spores were going around, Guess who came up with the idea of small pox being a biological attack? Media. They kept on going on about the many upon many ways that terrorists could attack us, and they also blindly told us our weaknesses, and also what some of our important buildings are. That means that if a terrorist was watching that news, he now knows where to hit us. Obvious question: Why would you want to make our nation worry, and expose our weaknesses to the public? All that's gonna do is make us panic.

(wishes for unbiased media who doesn't care about ratings).

[KarmaOfChaos]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i]
[B]I don't see freedom. I can't walk up and make a whole bunch of racial jokes just because I'm white. I don't have the freedom to do that.[/b]
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Yes you could. (unless, of course, you are crippled or some such, which I am assuming is not the case here.) But a) why would you want to? Yes, some of them are funny, when taken in good humour, with no real offense meant. But a lot of them are mean-spirited, and aren't worth repeating at all. and b) people's opinion of you would probably be lowered. However, you [i]do[/i] have the freedom to say it, it's the fact that you're worried how society will view you after you say it.
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Something else I heard is that they are trying to make it so you can't say Jesus Christ on television. They already have it on all the channels except for the christian channel, which their trying to get them to say only god. Where's the freedom then? Even if it is poorly being enforced, it's still not freedom.
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I don't know where you heard this rumour, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's not true. And yes, TV must be censored at certain points, because many people do not want their children or themselves exposed to things. Even if you're just flipping chanels, what if you happened to flip through something with porn or rated-R material, and you had a small child in the room? That isn't right. People are entitled to having things that they don't want to see not shoved in their faces.
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[b]
I have problems with the freedom of speech. You see, freedom of speech also allows freedom to lie. Why would we have the freedom to lie? What good could ever come out of that? Also is freedom of the press. That means that you get 1 view on things. Also means that they can not tell you facts, and also lie to you.
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Of course it does. People should have the sense of mind to know when somebody is exaggerating the truth, as the media often does. And you know, when you watch the news, you risk the fact that you might be lied to, so it's not as if you're not aware of the fact. Personally, I avoid watching the news. A majority of the time, it's just depressing, and because of the fact that there IS so much corruption in the media, why even bother? Yes, there are some channels out there worth watching. most are just trash.
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(wishes for unbiased media who doesn't care about ratings). [/B]

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Not to be rude, but why wish for something that's never, ever going to happen? If you want the facts bad enough, there are ways to get them. The internet often has many sources that will be a lot more honest than a news channel. Again, you take the risk that you're going to be lied to, but if you go to the right sites, the risk is much lower.

Try not to be so close-minded to free speech. It's a wonderful thing, and I'm incredibly glad we have it.

-Karma
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[Transtic Nerve]

Freedom of Speech is limited.

You don't have any real freedoms till you become an adult in America, ie: 18. And none of those freedoms apply in school or the military. Those are two seperate things from a normal citizen, which they are given the ability to break your Bill of Rights. It's been said so by the Supreme Court many times. Which is why you canhave dress codes in school and they can search anything on their property, including your locker and anythingin your car, which under normal law they couldn't without reasonable evidence to do so.

Free Speech is also limited in the fact it cannot purposefully cause harm to another person. IE: a threat... or you saying "Hey, why don't you kill the president?" or something to that extent. Hence why those are against the law. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want.... it means you get to say what you want within the limits of freedom, and by god, as of late there are many limits to that freedom. You can say that you think the Islamic religion is bad, leave it up to a country singer to do that, and this is why words like "ignorant" were created... to define these type of people. Ones who speak of complete idiocy.

Honestly, I don't think he broke any rulesin freedom of religion.... He's selling music, theres pretty much all the fredom you want in that.... because it's your choice as a consumer tolisten to it or buy it. Therefor, if you feel offended, don't listen, it's pretty simple. Toby Keith is nothing compared to some people, I'll tell you that.

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Um... do you know how hard it is to respond to you when you edit the quote?

[quote]Yes you could. (unless, of course, you are crippled or some such, which I am assuming is not the case here.) But a) why would you want to? Yes, some of them are funny, when taken in good humour, with no real offense meant. But a lot of them are mean-spirited, and aren't worth repeating at all. and b) people's opinion of you would probably be lowered. However, you do have the freedom to say it, it's the fact that you're worried how society will view you after you say it. [/quote]
Then the hate-crimes will start, and the "I'm a little opressed guy" will start, I'll be beat up in school, walking down the street. Everyone will go into an uproar. I would get introuble with the network that I said it on. I would never be let alone about it. People don't take into consideration freedom of speech. I would be told not to tell those jokes, or face persecution of the law. Freedom? Nope.

[quote]I don't know where you heard this rumour, but I have a sneaking suspicion it's not true.[/quote] I heard it from someone else, and then I observed it. I also saw a written petition to remove every single phrase of god, jesus, christ, and other events that lead to religion out of our government, radio, school, and Television shows. Also, after seeing this, I observed it. Then again, paradimes could've gotten in the way with that. But the benefit of the doubt has been noted.

[quote] And yes, TV must be censored at certain points, because many people do not want their children or themselves exposed to things. Even if you're just flipping chanels, what if you happened to flip through something with porn or rated-R material, and you had a small child in the room? That isn't right. People are entitled to having things that they don't want to see not shoved in their faces.
[/quote]Heh heh heh he ha ha Ha! I'm laughing because of exactly how many times I've seen that happen! Yeah, it should be censored, but it isn't. Sure, their entitled to, but they don't have a choice there. Well, one can block out those channels from their cable list with modern technology, but I still see thongs and strong bikinies and milimeters-away from being porn material on conventional channels, such as topless women NOT in art, and in art, aswell as exposed men both not and in art. Freedom of speech protects that. And their is a difference between pornography and religious beliefs. But hey! Everyon can just say it anyway!

[quote]Of course it does. People should have the sense of mind to know when somebody is exaggerating the truth, as the media often does. And you know, when you watch the news, you risk the fact that you might be lied to, so it's not as if you're not aware of the fact. Personally, I avoid watching the news. A majority of the time, it's just depressing, and because of the fact that there IS so much corruption in the media, why even bother? Yes, there are some channels out there worth watching. most are just trash.[/quote] I agree with this. I myself am not a good lier. But I see many people who are. So much that modern technology can't catch them. But I watch the news with this in mind, because that is the main source for what's going on in the world.
[quote]Not to be rude, but why wish for something that's never, ever going to happen? If you want the facts bad enough, there are ways to get them. The internet often has many sources that will be a lot more honest than a news channel. Again, you take the risk that you're going to be lied to, but if you go to the right sites, the risk is much lower.[/quote]That's why you wish for it. I wish I could win the lottery. But that doesn't happen. But the internet is less reliable than the news. I know these risks, and take into consideration. At one time, there once was a unbiased media. But that has long passed.
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Try not to be so close-minded to free speech. It's a wonderful thing, and I'm incredibly glad we have it.

-Karma

[quote]That law is also what actually gives us the freedom of religion. But with everything that is good, there can always be a way to use it for bad.

[KarmaOfChaos]

[B]Um... do you know how hard it is to respond to you when you edit the quote?[/b]

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You'll live. But I'll try not to do it again. ^-~
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Then the hate-crimes will start, and the "I'm a little opressed guy" will start, I'll be beat up in school, walking down the street. Everyone will go into an uproar. I would get introuble with the network that I said it on. I would never be let alone about it. People don't take into consideration freedom of speech. I would be told not to tell those jokes, or face persecution of the law. Freedom? Nope.
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That's using 'slippery-slope' logic there. You're taking the example to extremes. If you said a racial joke to someone, they would either think it was funny, or think that it was lame and they probably wouldn't think very highly of you for saying it. If you said it to a group of people, once again, they'd either think it was funny, or that it wasn't right, and they'd be silent for a few moments and the subject would move on, possibly excluding you. If it was a particularily rowdy group, they might get seriously offended and say things to you. In extreme cases, you might be physical danger.

However, that's why freedom of speech is also a responsiblity. You should know when to say something, and when not to. The freedom of speech is there to make sure that no one's opinions are supressed, and that everyone gets their say. It's not there to allow stupid comments, although many people do that in the name of freedom of speech.
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I heard it from someone else, and then I observed it. I also saw a written petition to remove every single phrase of god, jesus, christ, and other events that lead to religion out of our government, radio, school, and Television shows. Also, after seeing this, I observed it. Then again, paradimes could've gotten in the way with that. But the benefit of the doubt has been noted.
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Well I suppose this is just a difference in where you live, and what TV you watch, etc. I guess I'm not a very reliable source, since I don't have TV. I get snow, and that's it. Poor me. I guess that was a poor assumption on my part.
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[b]
Heh heh heh he ha ha Ha! I'm laughing because of exactly how many times I've seen that happen! Yeah, it should be censored, but it isn't. Sure, their entitled to, but they don't have a choice there. Well, one can block out those channels from their cable list with modern technology, but I still see thongs and strong bikinies and milimeters-away from being porn material on conventional channels, such as topless women NOT in art, and in art, aswell as exposed men both not and in art. Freedom of speech protects that. And their is a difference between pornography and religious beliefs. But hey! Everyon can just say it anyway!
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You took my quote out of context. And you're being slightly hypocritical. First you complain that they're censoring TV too much and that that is not freedom of speech, and then you say that they don't censor it enough and that that is the result of too much freedom of speech. Make up your mind? The TV is a great example of how America is trying to surpress freedom of speech in all the wrong places. The TV is also a good example of the abuse of freedom of speech. Both ways, it's not a good example in how we use freedom of speech.
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[b]
That's why you wish for it. I wish I could win the lottery. But that doesn't happen. But the internet is less reliable than the news. I know these risks, and take into consideration. At one time, there once was a unbiased media. But that has long passed.
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Wishing for something that's very likely not going to happen with no way to improve your chances is stupid. Sorry to be blunt, but it is. And if you're willing to search long enough, the net is more reliable news. Perhaps you're just too lazy? ^-~
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[b]
That law is also what actually gives us the freedom of religion. But with everything that is good, there can always be a way to use it for bad. [/b]
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Of course. That's the nature of all things. Try to use laws like freedom of speech and religion for their original purpose, and hope that others do the same. That's all you can do.

And that's enough of me rambling. TTFN.

-Karma
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[Chaos]

I must ask, if it is a [b][i]freedom[/i][/b], then how can it be taken too far?


Main Entry: free·dom
Pronunciation: 'frE-d&m
Function: noun
Date: before 12th century
1 : the quality or state of being free: as a : the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action b : liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : INDEPENDENCE


If someone writes a song bashing Muslims, I don't care. That's the beauty of the First Amendment. If someone wants to walk around saying "Stupid towelheads, we should piss on them and then burn 'em all", they can, because it is a freedom. An unalienable right. John Locke and all that ********.

I'd like to recall a political comic that showed an "average Joe" talking to his boss, who has strict policies at his office;

[i]"Mr. Smyth, your strict rules here have made the work enviroment very harsh; we can't say what we like, we can't wear what we like, we don't get weekends off, no vacations, no raises, no insurance! This is completely insane! We can't even have our own opinion!"

"Err...didn't you just GIVE me your opinion..?"[/i]


Point of the matter is this; we have the right to say as we please, to believe in the religion we please, and all of that grand stuff. And as long as it's there, people will use it. If you don't want to hear all of this Muslim-bashing, then don't listen to it.

P.S.: John Stewart does a wonderful job at putting in tidbits of wit into real news. And if you can't see that for what it is, then I pity you. Severely.

And South Park is just plain in-your-face. Again, if you don't want to see it, don't watch it.

[Shinmaru]

As long as people take freedom of speech literally, there will always be people taking it too far. And as long as there are people taking freedom of speech too far, there will always be people complaining about it.

Do I mind when people take freedom of speech too far? No. To be honest, I could care less. If I don't like what a person is saying, then I'll just ignore them. Simple as that. You don't always have to turn everything into some big issue. There will always be idiots spouting off; learn to deal with it.

The biggest problem with freedom of speech is when people start taking what people like Toby Keith say seriously. It's just like Chaos said: Someone could say "Stupid towelheads, we should piss on them and then burn 'em all." That's fine. I don't care because that's not what I believe. End of story.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]Recently, the Durham Bulls had an event to celebrate the anniversary of their ball team and invited several cast members from the movie ?Bull Durham? to come and speak at the event. They invited Tim Robbins to attend but politely declined his request to speak. They didn?t want Robbins? political view points to reflect those of the Durham Bull?s organization. Robbins made quite a stink about his rights to freedom of speech, and how the Bull?s didn?t have the right to oppress that freedom. The Bull?s organization responded by saying that they respected Tim Robbins? ability to practice his constitutional right to freely voice his opinions but the constitution does not require an organization to provide a platform for him.

In other words, you have the right to free speech, but you don?t have the right to be heard.
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[Raiha]

[color=royalblue]Allow me to quote from my friend Klian's shirt.

[size=3][font=gothic]Freedom Is A Myth.[/font][/size]

And it is. Sadly. After 9/11, we gave up many of our so called rights. And in the words of my APS teacher, "We only have as much freedom as we let our government give us." When we are afraid, of terrorists, bombs, and whatnot, we give up some of our freedoms in exchange for security.

Freedom of speech can make people afraid, threaten our "peace" and "order." Which is also bunk because although the world claims to love order, we thrive on chaos. We only have the power we don't surrender to the government and popular culture. I suggest we use what little freedom we have left before we lose it all and become mindless drones.

Like I said, Freedom stretches as far as you can take it before someone else gets scared and makes it illegal.[/color]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i]
[B]Free Speech is also limited in the fact it cannot purposefully cause harm to another person. IE: a threat... or you saying "Hey, why don't you kill the president?" or something to that extent. Hence why those are against the law. Freedom of speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want.... it means you get to say what you want within the limits of freedom[/B][/QUOTE]

You are still free to say whatever you want.

I am free to say "I'm going to kill the president."

BUT, that doesn't mean I won't be held accountable for what I say. If I were to say such a thing, the government has every right to come and bust my ***. I've just made a serious threat, one with potentially devastating effects on the entire nation.

Maybe I'm misreading this or something though... are you saying "I should be able to say 'I'm going to kill the president' without being busted"?

[Brasil]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lea2385 [/i]
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the other night, i was watching a news show (dont remember what it was called, but, it had dan rather as an interviewer)
anyways, they were interviewing toby keith, a country singer.
i wasnt paying any attention, untill they were talking about his controversial lyrics of late.
toby keith sang some lyrics of a new song that he wrote, something about taliban...
what shocked me was when his lyrics started to sound like he was making fun of the islamic relgion!
dan rather picked up on the tone, and asked "your lyrics sound like your demeaning the islamic relgion....what do you say to that?"
toby keith said "hey, its what all of america feels" *grins hugely*

do you thing that freedome of speech can be taken too far?

take into consideration, jon stewart of the daily show, and southpark.
they make fun of contorversial issues, but, most people find them funny....
what do you guys think?[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]

1) Toby Keith = just as stupid as the Dixie Chicks. I now throwout whatever credibility he MAY have had simply because he disagreed with Dixie Chicks.

[quote][commercialized patriotism]"hey, its what all of america feels" *grins hugely*[/commercialized patriotism][/quote]

That comment is from what the southern folk like to call, a "grinning fool."

The song is nothing new, nothing original. The rhymes are painfully trite, too. Charles, you and I think alike a bit too much these days. Keith is exploiting the majority's opinion. Hell, I don't even think the...what's the correct term these days...Pro-War? Pro-Bush? Anti-terrorist? Anti-Afghan? Anti-Taliban? Pro-Life?

Whatever those still-supporting-the-"US of A"-going-and-blowing-the-living-****-out-of-a-foreign-land want to call themselves this month, I think there's more of a balance now of anti vs pro. Last I checked a few different surveys, the difference was within 8%. Of course, surveys aren't totally representational of the whole, as a group of 2000 could have been surveyed, and 2000 is certainly not the number of people in this country.

But anyway, I think it is incredibly pompous of Keith to say that. He, like many other musicians and entertainers, is still trying to capitalize off of a 2 year old historical event, preying on (some) of the public's fears, to write what? This.

[quote]Courtesy Of The Red, White And Blue (The Angry American)
(Toby Keith)

American girls and American guys
We'll always stand up and salute
We'll always recongnize
When we see Old Glory flying there's alot of men dead
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our head

My daddy served in the Army when he lost his right eye
But he flew a flag out in our yard till the day that he died
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister, and me
To grow up and live happy in the land of the free
Now this nation that I love has fallen under attack
A mighty sucker punch came flying in from somewhere in the back
Soon as we could see clearly through our big, black eye
Man,we lite up your world like the 4th of July

Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist
And the eagle will fly and its gonna be hell
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red, white, and blue

Justice will be served and the battle will rage
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
You'll be sorry that you messed with the US of A
Cause we'll put a boot in your *** it's the American way

Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist
And the eagle will fly and its gonna be hell
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red, white, and blue

Ohhh
Of the red, white, and blue
Ohhh[/quote]

Even ignoring "Freedom of Speech," this song should not be aired. It's simply terrible writing, and if radio stations are indeed giving this crap airtime, then that's the crime, not a country bumpkin expressing his [i]opinion[/i], however horribly inane it might be.

As for South Park and Daily Show, great shows. They inject fun into current issues, they show...a humanity to boorish news. I actually make a note of one of my teacher prep classes here at Rutgers. The class...sucks. The teacher is more or less, a robot, and she is in the position to teach US how to teach. The class material is boring enough as it is (we've talked about the same thing since September...), but the way she presents it makes it even more drab.

Now, how does this relate to South Park and Daily Show?

If my instructor had the performance sensibilities and humor of SP and DS, the class would rock.

That's an important part of teaching. You need to ENGAGE your students. This is where SP and DS are actually educational. They present issues, inform us, but yet entertain so that we are more inclined to watch. I go to DS and CNN Headline News for most of my news. I can't stand FoxNews. Once in a blue moon will I flip on MSNBC.

I love DS for another reason, too. They KNOW their material is ridiculous and thus camp it up. How often do you see a serious subject on DS? Not too often, lol. On FoxNews, they don't seem to realize how ridiculous they sound. That bugs me.

About Freedom of Speech, it's like alcohol: It needs to be taken in moderation. Come to think of it, Freedom of Speech IS alcohol. When you imbibe large amounts of beer, what happens? You exercise more Freedom of Speech. And what do we say when people use something to an extreme? They're getting drunk on it. Drunk on power, for example. Yes. Freedom of Speech is alcohol, to be taken in moderation.

[TheShinje]

If what PT quoted in his post is the song in question, then I fail to see how it's a swipe against Islam. It's only his bad attempt at conforming to he pro war populous, stirring up the old September 11th attacks to get the blood boiling again, there are other avenues he could have gone down to do his attention seeking, however, it's within his freedom of speech rights to make a fool of himself.


There is never a time when freedom of speech is taken too far, I hate it when people start talking anti Christian themes, but that doesn't mean i think they should be forced to stop. This world's people should be allowed their freedom to speak their mind, no matter how much I myself disagree.

[Maully]

[color=green]I don't think it's that freedom of speech is taken too far. I think HC put it really well, You have a right to speak, not to be heard.

Remember, freedom of speech extends to you too. If you don't like or agree with what someone is saying, use your right to tell them so. It can lead to good discussion, or it could just lead to steam rolling CD in the streets, as with both Toby Keith and the Dixie Chicks.[/color]

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Chaos [/i]
[B] John Stewart does a wonderful job at putting in tidbits of wit into real news. And if you can't see that for what it is, then I pity you. Severely.

And South Park is just plain in-your-face. Again, if you don't want to see it, don't watch it. [/B][/QUOTE]

i have to agree:)

the song the country singer was talking about was one in some new cd he is putting out...

i only mentioned the daily show and southpark along with what toby keith said was because what keith said strangly sounded kinda wrong to me, but if the same thing was said on the daily show, it would have been a joke...
so, they contrast each other. both express their points of veiws, just the way they present it differs