Transtic Nerve Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Who said the AIDS thing?.... anyway, it's been prooven that more straight people have AIDS than gay people... so it's not gay people just spreading AIDS lol... just thought I'd clear that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 The world would be a better place if we had more gay marriages, don't ask me why. This reminds me of a debate a while back about a same sex marriage sitcom. The show was suppossed to air on nickelodeon but never aired. Seems like a bit much to get riled up about, they love each other hey what the hell? I think marriage is pretty puch jacked up anyway, i mean, people get married just to stay in the country nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immortALdeath Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 [QUOTE]Who said the AIDS thing?.... anyway, it's been prooven that more straight people have AIDS than gay people... so it's not gay people just spreading AIDS lol... just thought I'd clear that up.[/QUOTE] I thought I'd clear it up that there are more straight people in the world as well, unless you're talking about a percentage of each one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star I Am Not Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 [url]http://www.millionformarriage.org[/url] ~ Ahem. Click. [b]Now.[/b] I don't see what's wrong with gay marriages... Do people think that they aren't worthy of the rights that so-called normal marriages enjoy? Who says marriage can only pair up the opposite sex? And, even if that was its original meaning, it's not like humans haven't changed the rules before, to better themselves. It's sad to see that we're being governed by such narrow-minded people... I hope that my generation have broader views of the world than the last. Sometimes, though, looking at my high school, that hope pretty much diminishes. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hamster King Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 I am against gay marriage very strongly. I believe it is morally wrong. I dont care if to people of the same sex love each other,but that doesnt mean they have to marry each and **** eachother. This kinda of this goes agaisnt our natuaral human behaviors. I think the gays are just trying to get attention doing this. Even if they cant accept what i say,to they have to annouce it to the world?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rttocs77 Posted November 24, 2003 Share Posted November 24, 2003 It's true more straight people have AIDS now, but it started as a 'gay' thing. People seriously need to wise up and then it wouldn't spread anymore. Use ******* protection, don't shoot up drugs, and if you do have AIDs (and are a woman) there are drugs that keep you from spreading AIDS to your kid. As I said before, I am all for gay marriage, but I don't know if the rest of the country as a whole is, which is upsetting. There are people like Jesse Jackson (whom I despise) saying there is sooo much racism still existing, but he is such a ******* idiot, he doesn't seem to realize that violence against people for their sexual orientation is still sky high. UGH! THE HYPOCRACY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiHorsewoman Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 [COLOR=blue]I think it's sad that we've come so far and accomplished so little. I mean c'mon, they can live together for longer than most Hollywood 'marriages', but you can't give them the same rights? What kind of democracy is that? Maybe a few couples are doing it for 'publicity'. But maybe we should say the same thing for bi-racial couples as well then if that's the case. This ruling is probably part of the reason I'm voting for Dean next year. He's the congressman who passed the bill which legalized gay marriages in Vermont.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hamster King [/i] [B]This kinda of this goes agaisnt our natuaral human behaviors. I think the gays are just trying to get attention doing this. Even if they cant accept what i say,to they have to annouce it to the world?! [/B][/QUOTE] I have a question for you: Is typing natural human behavior? Or driving an automobile? Or Flying in an airplane? Or even brushing your teeth? I bet you've done almost all of these things, but none of them are "natural" human behavior. I cna say that gay people aren't trying to get attention. They simply want the same rights as any straight couple has. Is that so wrong? Is it really that horrible a thing? OFF TOPIC EDIT: w00t! One more post and I'm a member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadClown Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Hamster King [/i] [B]I am against gay marriage very strongly. I believe it is morally wrong. I dont care if to people of the same sex love each other,but that doesnt mean they have to marry each and **** eachother. This kinda of this goes agaisnt our natuaral human behaviors. I think the gays are just trying to get attention doing this. Even if they cant accept what i say,to they have to annouce it to the world?! [/B][/QUOTE] The nice thing about this country is that everyone is entittled to their own opinion, stupid or not, you still have a right to say it. Gay people are just asking for the same rights that their straight brothers and sisters get. If a gay person wants to get married, I don't see how it would effect your life in anyway. You might feel uncomfortable about it because you've been brainwashed to think a certain way, but still, if gay people are allowed to marry, you could still live your life just like you did yesterday and the day before. Get off your pedistol and quit fostering the seed of oppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Okay, I have said my oppinions before and I really don't want to get into it. So please don't yell at me for being against homosexuality and don't send me hatemail for my oppionion. You aren't going to change my mind, especially over the internet. Get over it. So anyway, suprisingly, because of how I believe government should be run (though I am against "gay marriage"), if the majority of people want it, then they can have it. "For all I care; set this world all ablaze..."-Quote (Norma Jean). I may think it's wrong, but if people want to screw themselves, they can. The problem I have is how many in the "gay community" are going about it. For the rest of my post I will use California (the state I live in) as example. A few years ago (I believe 2000) there was a proposition (22) before the California voters called the "Sanctity of Marriage Act" (or something like that). This proposition was voted in and basically, in a way just solidifies the definition of Marriage by how the majority of people in California see it (and just to let you know, that's how our government should be run.) It basically defined it as "a union between a man and a woman," all it is, is a definition of how marriage should be. This simply means that most people of the state of California think that marriage doesn't mean "a union between two lovers", and I don't care who the F you are (or think you are) you can't tell people what to think. That is exactly how some of the "gay community" are going about changing this in California. A few years after the people of California voted Prop. 22 in, some openly gay state assebly-member wanted to change it, without the voters. So as you might have guessed I am very against this. At least have the boldness to try and educate people on what you want, then try and get the majority of people to okay it, instead of acting all "suedo-dictator" and going against the people, whether they like it or not. Why the heck is the "gay community" so bent over telling people how they should define "marriage". I personally think that for them it would be a heck of a lot easier (and controversial) to somehow get another governmaent recognized union, maybe "garriage" (please don't crucify me for my humor). Even though I wouldn't be for it, it still seems more logical then forcing people to change they're mind. I wouldn't try to get into an african-american club, because I'm an american from africa. I'm white, so it would be dumb, I would try to start my own club, maybe the white guys club (no I'm not racist, it's just an example, you idiots). There's my oppinion. Even though I hate to be the black-sheep of the bunch (not really), I feel very strongly for what I believe. So, even though as if almost everyone on thread sees thing differently, please do me the courtesy I gave you and try to be intelligent. In a way, I am again asking for no hateful replies, after a while those get pretty "gay" (again, don't crucify me for humor). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immortALdeath Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 How would you feel if you couldn't get married to the one you love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rttocs77 [/i] [B]It's true more straight people have AIDS now, but it started as a 'gay' thing. [/B][/QUOTE] AIDS beginning is unknown.... believed to have started in Africa, where most of the cases are today, and not as a gay thing... gay people are simple more likely to get it because of the fact alot of gay people don't wear condoms. It' sbecome more associated with gay peopel because it's something we struggle with... much like how straight people struggle with teen pregnancy... and since gay people can't get pregnant with the same sex, it's basically the equivalent. [quote]Originally posted by OlgaTheDwarf [b]Why the heck is the "gay community" so bent over telling people how they should define "marriage". [/b][/quote] Where do STRAIGHT people get off telling people how to define marriage. Your own argument can be just as easily used against you. Its worthless. If you don't want gay people to be married, then give us civil unions... you're not even allowing that. We don't want to get married for religious reasons, we want it because marriage is a way to show how much two people love each other and we want the things that come with marriage. Tax exemptions, the ability to leave property and money to loved ones, etc etc etc. Did you know that if I was with another man and he died, that anything heleft to me in his will could be taken away by his family if they chose to do so? If I co-owned a house with him, they could take that away, they could take the car away.... I could be left with absolutely nothing... it's happened, look it up. By denying the right for two men or two women to marry or have the rights of marriage through civil union, you are denying that love between two people of the same sex exists, which is simply not true. I wouldn't expect you to know, you're straight. Whats the harm in letting two gay people get married? I still cannot find any logical reason that should disallow two gay people from marrying.... beside religious reasons, but thats out of the question, cause as I stated, gay people don't want to be married for religious purposes. Put yourself in our shoes for once.... how would you feel? That last comment was rather immature... wasn't really funny at all. Maybe you should work on your humour, cause you're not very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadClown Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well put TN. Olga, you keep talking about it as if the gay community is some sort of club or something. The whole reason we want marriage allowed for us is so that we dont have to be seperate from the world, but that we can be equal and treated equally as everyone else who is straight. We aren't trying to be seperatists, but rather, we are being seperated from society because people are pig-headed and ignorant, much like you just demonstrated. Marriage is not a club and your analogy was rediculous. Gay people have tried many times in the past to get recognized for some sort of union, and as TN pointed out, we can't get didley. Oh and yea, your humor isn't funny, it's border line sexist. I bet you also liked using the "N" word when you were in Africa too huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rttocs77 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 TN I think there is a big difference between getting AIDs and being a teenage girl and getting pregnant. At least you can get rid of the baby, you can't get rid of AIDs. I still detest Jesse Jackson, in case anyone wanted to keep up with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by rttocs77 [/i] [B]TN I think there is a big difference between getting AIDs and being a teenage girl and getting pregnant. At least you can get rid of the baby, you can't get rid of AIDs. I still detest Jesse Jackson, in case anyone wanted to keep up with that. [/B][/QUOTE] Yes, I know, but I was more focusing on the fact they are both problems for their respective communities. And I don't particularly like Jesse Jackson either lol. I honestly just find him annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 [quote][i]Orignally posted by rrtocs77[/i] TN I think there is a big difference between getting AIDs and being a teenage girl and getting pregnant. At least you can get rid of the baby, you can't get rid of AIDs. [/quote] Actually, they are fairly similar... They both are unwanted, and both come from having unprotected sex. The actual problem is highly different, but we are looking at issues rather than specifics. TN was quite right... AIDS is a problem for homosexuals, like teen preganancy is for heteros. Of course there are differences, but there are also similarities. It is just something they struggle with. Yet somehow AIDS is worse than teen pregnancies... because the :cough: methods are different. How fair is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 [color=#707875]AIDS isn't worse because the "methods" are different...it's worse because it's a virus, not a baby. o_O[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Samedi Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Aha, sorry James. What I meant was that it was worse by societies distinction... I know that the actual thing is worse, but the.... Arrggh. I don't know what words to use. Somehow, society views both with contempt, but being gay and getting AIDS is viewed as worse than having teen sex and getting pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlgaTheDwarf Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B] Where do STRAIGHT people get off telling people how to define marriage. Your own argument can be just as easily used against you. Its worthless. If you don't want gay people to be married, then give us civil unions... you're not even allowing that. We don't want to get married for religious reasons, we want it because marriage is a way to show how much two people love each other and we want the things that come with marriage. Tax exemptions, the ability to leave property and money to loved ones, etc etc etc. Did you know that if I was with another man and he died, that anything heleft to me in his will could be taken away by his family if they chose to do so? If I co-owned a house with him, they could take that away, they could take the car away.... I could be left with absolutely nothing... it's happened, look it up. By denying the right for two men or two women to marry or have the rights of marriage through civil union, you are denying that love between two people of the same sex exists, which is simply not true. I wouldn't expect you to know, you're straight. Whats the harm in letting two gay people get married? I still cannot find any logical reason that should disallow two gay people from marrying.... beside religious reasons, but thats out of the question, cause as I stated, gay people don't want to be married for religious purposes. Put yourself in our shoes for once.... how would you feel? That last comment was rather immature... wasn't really funny at all. Maybe you should work on your humour, cause you're not very funny. [/B][/QUOTE] Well, I don't follow everybody to the polling booths (neither do you, hopefully) but I didn't just say it was STRAIGHT people definition, I said it was the majority of people in the state of California. You assumed that it's just straight people. If my memory serves me correctly Proposition 22 passed with flying colors (something like, 68% to 32%). Which means that if it was straight or not, it's still a crap-load of people (who you still cannot force your beliefs on) who believe marriage is a "union between a man and a woman" not a "union between to lovers". My point is whether you like it or not, you cannot become a dictator, and force things on people who don't want it, at least not if you are trying to do things the right way. Like I said before, if the majority of people said "yay" to marriage being a deffinition of "union between two lovers", then, even if I don't agree with it, I really can't stop it. I would just expect that the "gay community" would have as much common sense as to respect that majority of peoples decisions, whether they like it or not. TN and Sadclown, you guy's can sit here and bring to the table your deffinitions of what marriage is, all you want. But, the most you can do is let your oppinions be heard. So until the day the majority of people vote to ban state bans on gay marriage, I will defend their bans on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cloricus Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I don't think I'm completely in favour of it, in the sense of a church marriage that is. I'll have to read it and see what it extends into. Though a marriage for purposes of rights in law is fine by me. Just to go into detail on that; even though I disagree with the churches stand point on these things vocally they have a right to stand up for their opinions and beliefs which should be defended as it's one of the key values of any (decent) country so if this ruling has [i]any[/i] effect on it then I don't support that [b]part[/b] of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedlit Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChibiHorsewoman [/i] [B][COLOR=red]I believe that the difinition of marriage is between two people who love eachother reguardless of everything else. [/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=009966]And who's to say that gay people don't love each other enough to get married? I don't approve of gay marriages, but people are given the free agency to do as they will, and if they love each other so much that they want to get married, then let them. The government should not try to prevent it since they're the ones that are always looking for ways to "uphold the constitution", and this ban violates that.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by OlgaTheDwarf [/i] [B]Well, I don't follow everybody to the polling booths (neither do you, hopefully) but I didn't just say it was STRAIGHT people definition, I said it was the majority of people in the state of California. You assumed that it's just straight people. If my memory serves me correctly Proposition 22 passed with flying colors (something like, 68% to 32%). Which means that if it was straight or not, it's still a crap-load of people (who you still cannot force your beliefs on) who believe marriage is a "union between a man and a woman" not a "union between to lovers". My point is whether you like it or not, you cannot become a dictator, and force things on people who don't want it, at least not if you are trying to do things the right way. Like I said before, if the majority of people said "yay" to marriage being a deffinition of "union between two lovers", then, even if I don't agree with it, I really can't stop it. I would just expect that the "gay community" would have as much common sense as to respect that majority of peoples decisions, whether they like it or not. TN and Sadclown, you guy's can sit here and bring to the table your deffinitions of what marriage is, all you want. But, the most you can do is let your oppinions be heard. So until the day the majority of people vote to ban state bans on gay marriage, I will defend their bans on it. [/B][/QUOTE] Bush was elected president by the so called majority of people, yet still people protest over him?.... Do you expect me to just sit back and let some injustice like banning MYSELF from ever marrying someone to go unheard, I don't think so. You must be absolutely out of your god damned mind to think we are just going to sit back and let that go. Gay people have had the lesser freedoms than almost any other minority in this country. Only recently have laws started to be passed including gay people under civil rights. The last civil rights act was passed in 1964, did that include anything about gay people? Not specifically... Look you can say you're backing the state banning of it all you want, but I know you don't support it. You obviously have something against gay people, whether it be religious or personal, whatever it is, you're just hiding behind the states law to protect your views. If you don't want to let us get married, fine.... give us civil unions with the same things, except it's not religious and it's not "married"... I'm sure you'd have nothing against that would you? Who am I kidding... It's people like you that don't make this country very free at all. You can support the states decission to ban gay marriage, but that only means it's what you think as well, therefor you have a prejudice, and it's that prejudice that makes ths country so bad sometimes. I just want my right to share a life with someone I love, why do you think that's so wrong? If you can have it, why can't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SadClown Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 So true. It's copt out to say that you are just backing the state's descisions. If your going to support biggotry and inequality, at least have the guts to admit it. Don't dance around the issue at hand when you are alluding to a very clear opinion, that you DO have something against gay people, just like everyone else who is against gay marriage. In all honesty, it wouldn't effect the way the world runs if if we could get married. You just don't like us, therefore you don't want us to be treated the same was as you are. Isn't that so much more bold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuoMax Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 It's a damn shame that prejiduce and hate are still alive and well in the U.S. of A. It's things like this that make me wnat to move to Denmark.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChibiHorsewoman Posted November 27, 2003 Author Share Posted November 27, 2003 [COLOR=blue]I think it's immoral and wrong to define marriage as only a union between a man and a woman. This would be thought of differently if a law stated that marriage was only recognized as a union between two members of the same race or of the same religion. Hell, people would protest until the proverbial cows came home to change those laws. Why is this any different? Is it because some religious groups feel that family vaules will be threatened? Is it because the military would have to retract that don't ask don't tell policy and maybe pay more attention to high ranking NCOs (E5 and up) who are beating their spouses? (this has happened, when my husband and I arrived @ Ft.Hood last year his sponsor made it a point to tell Lincoln that he could get anger management classes) Or is it because people are just afraid to change what they've known for so long? I still stand by what I said, marriage is a commitment made by two people who love eachother. And if some day we have a president who decides to legalize gay marriages nation wide, I won't feel that my union with my husband has been lessened in anyway.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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