ANimal Rights

[FartMaster745]

[size=1]My brother showed me this video on [URL=http://www.petatv.com]PetaTv[/URL]. I never thought that things would go this extreme for animals. I just thought our meat, milk, chicken, and eggs always came from a little farm somewhere in the south in America, not some factory that mass produces like they were toys. I'm so naive...

Watch the video and tell me what you think of it. Heres the link.

[URL=http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=mym2002]PetaTV Video Speed Choice[/URL]

Oh jea, if you don't like watching animals being slaughtered, then don't watch.[/size]

[Valen]

Face the facts... it happens, and unless the whole world goes vegitarian, then it's going to happen. Sure, it's sad to watch and everything, but still. Horribly delicious world we live in, no?

[lea]

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....How...how can the people that are responsible for this....how can they live with themselves? How can they look in the mirror every morning....how can they eat on their lunch break, knowing while they are eating, there are animals so close to them, miserable, starving, suffering???

when i saw that....i knew everything they were showing was very true. Knowing that.....It made me so....so sad. There isnt any laws against this?? How can people know about this, and not want to do anything??

meh. I feel so helpless now.... [/COLOR]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[COLOR=deeppink]You'll have to excuse me, but I'm a bit skepticale about PETA. They've always seemed a bit too extreme for me. These are the same people who think that you shouldn't ride horses because it's unnatural for the animal. Yes, it is, but it's also unnatural for dogs to be domesticated and stay indoors and only play outside in fenced in areas, but nobody tries to make you free your dog.I'm not saying I'm not for animal rights, I'm just saying that PETA is seriously out there at times.
And c'mon, everyone a vegatarian. There are many different types of vegatrarinism-some don't even allow the consumption or use or animal bi-products. So if everyone became vegatarian, PETA would probably want everyone to be Vegan, which is the one which doesn't allow the use of anima products so you can't drink milk or eat eggs. Besides the fact that by ending the consumption of meat farmers would go out of business and there'd be some bigger problems with the economy.
There's my $0.02, someone add some more.[/COLOR]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I'm not even done watching the video yet, but I've always actually laughed at Peta's antics. They want people not to fish because fish have feelings and to catch them in inhumane. Well, I'm sorry, but I don't feel sorry for the fish.

And I don't mean to sound so insensitive, because I hate to see animals mistreated, these animals were born and raised for this purpose. Sure, they are living animals and they feel pain, but it ends soon enough for them and they don't have to suffer long. These animals are what feed our country. Would you rather starve or eat some tasty chicken? And where would we be without milk, or eggs? I think it's kind of silly to get all worked up about the animals getting slaugthered, especially since there's nothing you can really do about.

You already knew that to get the meat the animal had to die. Is there really a nice humane way to KILL the animal? Shoot them up with pain killers so that the meat we receive are drugged? I don't know, you tell me.[/color][/size]

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]Oh boy, is it ever good being on top of the food chain. Sure it seems horrible watching animals head to mass slaughter, but it is all worth it. If those animals weren?t slaughtered I wouldn?t have been able to eat that tender, juicy horseradish and mustard crusted fillet at such a reasonable price last night.

No offense, but PETA is made up of a bunch of screwball crackpots that took ten too many hits of sunshine acid. I find it hilarious that they are the biggest hypocrites of all. If you really take the time to think about it PETA?s whole extremist stance is a bit laughable. They tend to lean towards liberating animals, in a sense they want everything to exist in their natural environment. The problem with this thinking is that they exclude people. We are the world?s greatest predators, and our most useful asset is the ability to manipulate the environment. I guess the biggest irony of all is that the extremists at PETA often time forget that people are an integral part of nature?
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[Kinoko Shima]

I just got done with the video. ...OK, actually I didn't finish it. Because I didn't see anything really inhumane mostly. Sure, you have to KILL the animal to get it's meat, and sometimes, if the animal resists, you have to use more force than it's usually necessary, but still, it has to be done to get the meat to feed the country. That's just my opinion anyway.

[XC SpydeR]

[COLOR=blue][I]I'm going to have to agree with Valen. I mean this is reality and while it might be sad it's LIFE!! Get used to it because like Valen said, "Unless the whole world turns vegetarian then it won't stop."[/I][/COLOR]

[FartMaster745]

[size=1]Jea, I pretty much agree with everyone else here. Not everyone can or will be a vegetarian. Someone or something must be at the top of the food chain.

I continue to eat meat. I need meat. I love meat. I keep it in my fridge. I eat it for lunch and dinner. I don't know much about Peta, I've only seen this video. I just think its kinda wrong how they mass produce chicken and not let them have a second of happyness, but hey. We're smart, they're dumb. They had their chance to take over the world thousands of years ago, they were to stupid.[/size]

[lea]

[COLOR=blue] see, i am not extremist about this (Be a vegitarian! It will save the animals!!)

i dont agree with the treatment of the animals, though. I cant say for sure if what they show happends alot (at least, i honestly hope not) but, anyways, there should be something done so that cant happen.....

i mean, just because you're "stupid" doesnt mean that its ok to suffer.....[/COLOR]

[Vicky]

[B][SIZE=1] I hardly eat meat anyway, I didn't need to watch the video (but I did) because I already knew. Even fish DO have lives too. If they can breath, move, gorw, they're alive.

Well, some people don't have to be a vegetarian, but NO ONE has the right to do things like that. Some of the animals there where cramped up, why couldn't people just let them have space? I'll agree animals need to be killed for meat (not fully), but I DO NOT agree on them being beaten like that. It's worse than what my horrible enemy used to do to his dog. Yeah, it died in the end, before I could get a chance to ram the kids face through a brick wall.

If the DO need to kill animals, no one needs to do that. not all places kill animals for food like that, some are taken care of, and most are allowed fresh air and are TREATED for illness.

Sure, humans are the rulers of this world, but we have a choice to think of animals are little things that stand in our way, or as the true good in this world. I mean, if animals kill humans, that's because it's what they do, or they didn't know, or they where defending themselves. Was that guy beating the chicken into the ground because it was peaking his feet? I don't think so.

I'm not saying everyone has to agree with me, it's what I believe; Animals should never be treated like that. Ready to die or not, it their life they should have a choice too. The only reason we became the higher race, is because dinosaurs died out. If that didn't happen, I think we wouldn't be here, on a computer.

There are other ways to kill an animal, and that isn't to be cruel and give them nothing. Now some people know why I defended my own dog and got smacked in the face with a baseball bat. I'm an animal lover, I love animals, they have rights. If it moves, thinks, breaths, grows, it has rights.

Agree with me or not, animals should never be treated that way. If they live on this earth too, they should be treated like us. Even if they can't do what we can do, they still live a life. So, killing an animal like that? No, that shouldn't be done, like that. Atleast give the poor creatures some SPACE!!![/B][/SIZE]

[ZytaZiouZ]

My opinion: animals should be eaten. I know many people are vegan and vegetarian, and that is fine. That is their choice. I just think that animals exist to be eaten.

We ourselves are animals. Animals eat eachother. That is life. Why is it so odd that we do the same, since we are also animals. There are extremists who abuse and mistreat animals, and that is wrong. I do not beat animals. If I see a hurt animal, I try to help it. One time I thought a cat had been ran over because it wasn't moving in the road, so I went and checked and the thing scared me to death when it started running. Anyways my point is I am not in any way abusive to animals, and I still eat meat. Killing an animal for food and torturing it are two different things.

On another note, Peta is very extreme. I have heard of this organization having people chained to trees so that they would not be cut down, and even worse, property being damaged because an organization "mistreats" animals. This organization has even had people throw red paint on people with fur coats.

...I am not sure if they realize this, those people are just going to buy another fur coat.

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by vicky [/i]
[B][B][SIZE=1]There are other ways to kill an animal, and that isn't to be cruel and give them nothing. Now some people know why I defended my own dog and got smacked in the face with a baseball bat. I'm an animal lover, I love animals, they have rights. If it moves, thinks, breaths, grows, it has rights.[/B][/SIZE] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=hotpink][size=1]There is a big difference in a dog and a chicken. Chickens, cows, and other livestock are not kept as pets. We do not pamper them, love on them, or buy them presents for Christmas. They are raised to be eaten, or in the case of chickens, they are kept for their eggs. Do we eat dogs and cats? No. So using the example of loving your dog or loving your cat don't even apply to this situation.

This is all about the feelings of that poor cow or chicken that doesn't have a clue that it's unhappy because it never knew happiness. It's not like they take these animals out of a beautiful green pasture and then run them to the slaughterhouse. (Okay, some may?) These animals were BORN for the purpose to be eaten. If you want to make a statement, take a cow to pet. See how much you like cleaning up it's poo when it ruins your carpet and chews up your curtains.[/color][/size]

[Semjaza]

I try not to be affected by this. If you want to eat animals, yet still care for their treatment while they're alive, there's always farm based meats. Most stuff you buy at the store is from an animal that most likely has not even seen the outdoors. Pigs are a good example. They sit in little bins in a factory, many get incredibly sick and then they are slaughtered. It seems most animals get their throats slit as the basic killing method. So obviously there is a big difference between the two. Arguing against this horrible treatment is one thing, but I am not going to argue against killing animals that are raised in decent conditions for the same purpose.

PETA is also ridiculous, they and many related organizations are barely any more ethical than the places they crusade against.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]PETA is also ridiculous, [/B][/QUOTE]
[COLOR=royalblue]I probably should've mentioned this in my last reply to this post but aside from trying to get people to turn against horseback riding (i'm serious!) They also tried to get this town in Eastern New York state called Fishkill to change the name to Fish Live
You see, they thought that Fishkill sounded too violent and they wanted a more positive name to be used. I guess these people never learned Dutch. See, the state was originally New NEtherlands and the name Fishkill translates to fish creek or fish stream. The name has nothing to do with killing.
But I do wonder, why they didn't try to change the Catskill mountains to the cats live mountains. Could it be that they don't feel cats deserve the same rights as fish? Or maybe they were planning on trying that next, but later found out what kill means in Dutch?
Next-people who want to change Rotterdam and Amsterdam New York to Rotterdang and Amsterdang.[/COLOR]

[InuyashaDeamon]

I hate PETA there set up a billboard in our town saying to drink beer rather then milk. truely i think it a bunch of bull what they say. Im was in FFA and we watch a video about butchering plants and there are usally human as can be.

[The Mac Attack]

[quote][i]Queen Asuka posted:[/i]
Do we eat dogs and cats?
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Well, yes in some cultures they do e.g. Cambodia.

I used to watch my father kill sheep when I was little. Collectively I'd seen the whole process from when a sheep had lived, died, was cut up, cooked, put on my plate and eaten. I suppose this kind of exposure during my young years sort of de-sensitised me to the whole process because now I don't really care.

I can vividly remember the dead sheep lying on the ground twitching and kicking after the deadly cut had been made. While it was disturbing I still managed to tollerate it - but what was harder to tolerate was that it [spoiler]had purple blood[/spoiler].

I've also been out shooting with my dad. I once shot a wild pig and have watched my father put a duck "out of it's misery" by breaking it's neck.

While all this may sound cruel, what we need to accept is that is a necessity of our lives. If we didn't have that sheep my family may have gone hungry for some time (livestock was used as an extra form of payment for my dad). And if we didn't get rid of those pigs or ducks, our crops may have been ruined that year; we would've been bankrupt and humans would miss out on their rice, wheat etc.

You cannot have it both ways. Actually scratch that you can only have it one way. Without livestock the human race would suffer dearly from vitamin deficiencies and the like.

I'm not really for the mistreatment the animals just for the sake of it though. I feel a terrible guilt in the back of my mind when I have to kill a spider.

Just yesterday I almost killed a baby pigeon by stepping on it (we own show pigeons). I just left it in it's cage along with the others. My dad told me later that it probably died because I didn't put it back where it belonged. I didn't let it bother me as such though.

I don't know much about PETA, nor did I watch the video, I just thought I should share something.

[Shinken]

Personally, I pretty much dislike PETA, and for one reason: in an e-mail debate I was having with them (completely civilized, no name-slinging), they called me a meat-eating gorilla. Now, I like gorillas, and I like meat. But calling me that? Not very nice...

Anyways, I disagree with PETA on pretty much every level. They say that human beings evolved to eat fruits, berries, leaves, etc. ONLY. But when I asked the person (the same one who called me a gorilla) why we have the same canine teeth that all carnivorous animals do.

[Dagger]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by InuyashaDeamon [/i]
[B]I hate PETA there set up a billboard in our town saying to drink beer rather then milk. truely i think it a bunch of bull what they say. Im was in FFA and we watch a video about butchering plants and there are usally human as can be. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but that comparison simply doesn't pan out. For one thing, plants can't move, and while I can state with some degree of certainty that animals are capable of feeling pain, who knows whether the same thing may be said of plants? And few people experience such extreme guilt over killing plants that they decide to stop eating them altogether.

I'm not a vegetarian and most likely never will be. I love meat, and though I don't necessarily condone the sometimes brutal methods by which people procure it, that's never going to stop me from enjoying a nice, juicy hamburger or steak. I frankly think it's silly to worry about animals when [i]people[/i] in other parts of the world are suffering so greatly.

~Dagger~

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by The Mac Attack [/i]
[B]I'm not really for the mistreatment the animals just for the sake of it though. I feel a terrible guilt in the back of my mind when I have to kill a spider. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=hotpink][size=1]Wow, I thought I was the only person in the world who felt guilty for killing innocent bugs and spiders. Now if it was on me or biting me, that's one thing. But do you really have to kill the innocent ones?

And as for eating dogs and cats, I was referring to the United States. I'm well aware that other cultures eat those types of meats, thank you.[/color][/size]

[satan665]

PETA is too extreme, and it tends to blurr out any of the good points they have. I'm vegetarian and big into animal rights myself, but I accept that it is very normal to eat animals. The world will never be full of vegetarians. The problem is that animals are being horribly mistreated in many cases. They are a source of life for us and should be given some respect. That is why i personally am a vegetarian. Animals used in mass food production are treated like non-living things, like 6 chickens in a tiny space are ever going to get along with each other so they get their beaks cut off. If that kind of thing didn't happen and if the animals weren't full of odd growth hormones I would probably eat meat again.

Food production is done in a purely economical sense, and thus the animals and environment are not respected at all. Thats why cutting down rainforest in Brazil for cattle land happens, its cheap and they can sell it to the US. Chickens are fed hormones which end up causing arsenic byproducts in their feces. Huge chicken farms are a huge source of arsenic pollution, and some of that is also sold as fertilizer.

Food companies get away with this sort of thing because not too many people know about it, we get food from the store all ready for us without having to consider any of these things. Anyway I could go on for a long time about this stuff, basically I say try to understand these issues even if you don't want to be a vegetarian or anything like that. A few people not eating meat is more of a personal decision rather than something that will change the world. People just need to be more educated about the issues so they can make their own decisions.

[The Mac Attack]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Queen Asuka[/i]
But do you really have to kill the innocent ones (spiders)?
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I don't kill the innocent ones. If they don't bother me I wont bother them, but I am placed in situations where some action is necessary.

For example, I once had a redback spider on my bed, which are about as deadly as they come. I had no other choice but to kill it, because it may very well have killed me.

Sometimes I might put a bug outside, but this kind of action isn't any better because my dog eats anything, so the result is the same.

[wrist cutter]

There's no such thing as an innocent spider. They must all be killed.