Presidentiality

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Do you think we would ever have a woman president? A black president? A Jewish president, a gay president? Or even an Aethiest president?

Or are we forever going to elect a White Christian Male president untill the end of time?
(No offense to any white christian guys, it's nothing to do with you ^_^ )[/COLOR]

[Guest cloricus]

Bush is Anglican, and does it really matter. Who cares if they are black/***/anti-Christ if they know what the hell they are doing?

[UnsungHero]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]\Who cares if they are black/fa.g/anti-Christ if they know what the hell they are doing? [/B][/QUOTE]


The voters?

[Semjaza]

Anglicans are still Christians... they're just Protestants, like pretty much every single president in US history, with an obvious exception. And look how that turned out.

I don't know why you felt some need to bypass the censor to say that though.

[Baron Samedi]

No, unless we pass the vote to become a republic, then we will never even [i]have [/i] a President.

Oh, you're talking about America. [i]Why didn't you say so?[/i].

Oh. There is nowhere else...

Ok, no more cruelty. This stuff happens. Anyway... when the voters feel that the person in question is a good person for the job, then they should become President. Who cares what or who they are? If they are going to make a good President, vote for them. There will always be some bigots, misogenists, racists or homophobes who won't just on principle but hopefully the majority of the population could overcome their foolish prejudices and look at the person's feelings and ideas, rather than their skin, religion or sexual orientation.

[Dan L]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by cloricus [/i]
[B]Bush is Anglican, and does it really matter. Who cares if they are black/fa.g/anti-Christ if they know what the hell they are doing? [/B][/QUOTE]

Anglicans, ie. Church of England, is probably one of the closest denominations to Catholicism that there is.

There reason being that most Protestant denominations broke away from Catholicism because they didn't agree with the traditions/structure/beliefs, whereas the main reason the Church of England came about was because Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the Catholic church wouldn't give him one- so the Church of England didn't stray a huge amount from the Catholic way of doing things, hence it has generally been one of, if not the most traditional of all of the Protestant denominations.

And even then, all denominations of Christianity are in fact Christian, so I don't see your point against the statement that Bush is a Christian..

*i.r.t original point*
Whether or not things will ever change in that respect depends on whether the country as a whole sees or recognises a need for change, which will then come about in future elections.

[James]

[color=#707875]I think it's just a question of time and development.

Long ago, you'd never have seen a black Secretary of State. Now you do. One day, you'll see a female President, a black President, a gay President, etc.

So it's not a matter of "if", but "when", I think. That becomes even more evident if you look at society's development through history. We always tend to become more tolerant and intelligent/socially developed as time goes on.

New Zealand even has a transgendered Senator. So there you go. So yeah. I think that every "group" in society will probably have an opportunity at some point in history...whether it's in 2008 (next elections after November next year), or whether it's in fifty years. *shrug*

And Cloricus...bypassing the censor is a violation of the rules. So is posting something like "*taps foot patiently*" as the entire content of one post. You should know better. There are only so many warnings myself or other staff can dish out.[/color]

[Guest rttocs77]

There has only been one President that hasn't been protestant and that was Kennedy. Nixen was a quaker, I'm not sure what you would put that under.

[Shy]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Baron Samedi [/i]
[B]No, unless we pass the vote to become a republic, then we will never even [i]have [/i] a President.

Oh, you're talking about America. [i]Why didn't you say so?[/i].

Oh. There is nowhere else...[/B][/QUOTE]
[size=1]That was funny, if not a tad bitter. If you want to discuss the politics of other nations then you should feel free to make quality threads about them. I will never understand why we only discuss American politics in this forum, especially considering the larger about of international members that we have.

Anyway, I'm certain that I will live to see a African-American or female president within my lifetime. Society is advancing at such a fast pace these days that it is beginning to demand an "unconventional" leader.After all, who better to represent the diverse population of America than a minority?

As for a gay president.. I bet you a million Monopoly dollars that it won't happen within this century. At least, we won't have an [i]openly[/i] gay president. The die-hard Christians still hold a lot of political power, so it seems unlikely that anyone deemed immoral could make a successful bid for the presidency.

-Shy[/size]

[Justin]

I don't doubt that there will be plenty of presidents from other catagories besides white male Christian in the future. James laid it out best. People simply become more open to things like that as time passes by.

-Justin

[Gavin]

[color=#707875][size=1]Since I'm Irish not American this thread really doesn't effect me however, I agree with anyone who says that the person who deserves the job will get the job [i][unless you're George Bush and you rig the election][/i].

Whether a President be black, white, oriental, etc in color, or Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc in creed I don't think it matters. A lot of people at my school think that the first US President to be female will be Hillary Clinton although I'm not so sure. As for a homosexual President I doubt that will ever happen [i][No offense to any one who is][/i].

That's all I really have to say.[/color][/size]

[Drix D'Zanth]

I don't really mind. I'll vote for whatever president supports, in my opinion, the best policy.

James hit it on the nose.

What I really hope is that people won't consider that as an incredibly important attribute. I hope people don't vote for a president because she's a [i]woman[/i] or because he is [i]gay[/i]. The presidential positions not a platform for a social group, but a police officer of policy.

[lea]

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When I posted this thread, I didn't mean to sound racist. What I mean is, do you think a woman president would handle situations/crisis differently?

Well, what I am trying to say is, what if we could have an American president who was raised in a different background then the "typical" president? Do you think America would change, even just a bit?

Baron, if you want a thread about your political system, what's stopping you from making one? -.-
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[Guest Bloodsin]

I'd like to see a president come from the middle, or lower, classes. With the exception of a few, all presidents have been rich upper class people with political connections.

But whoever we get, it matters not.
For they'll need help getting there, and when they do, they'll need help to stay in.

[Patronus]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bloodsin [/i]
[B]I'd like to see a president come from the middle, or lower, classes. With the exception of a few, all presidents have been rich upper class people with political connections. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=006699]That's because most Presidents have been involved with politics earlier, before they actually became President - which is why they're rich, and why they're elected - because [most - excluding Bush] know what they were/are doing.[/color]

[Guest Bloodsin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Leh [/i]
[B][color=006699]That's because most Presidents have been involved with politics earlier, before they actually became President - which is why they're rich, and why they're elected - because [most - excluding Bush] know what they were/are doing.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
Yes.
But is it right for some one who's life is a minority to rule the majority? Bush doesn't know WTF's doing, So that shoots down the exp theory.

[Patronus]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bloodsin [/i]
[B] Bush doesn't know WTF's doing, So that shoots down the exp theory. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=006699]Not really, because a lot of past Presidents used their past political experiences to help run this government. Most who actually run - including mayors and governors - usually address things that they've dealt with in the past. Example: Child Abortion, Yearly Revenue.

Bush is an exception.[/color]

[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Bloodsin [/i]
[B] Bush doesn't know WTF's doing, [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah.. he doesnt know WTF? I bet he wouldn't. I really don't know the doings of WTF, either. I doubt anyone here on OB could be a better president than Bush. Everyone's a critic, right? God forbid someone sucks at oration. I didn't realize your ability to give speeches and plaster on "politically correct" faces made someone a good president. Sure, he may be a savont, but he's a political savont.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Leh [/i]
[B][color=006699]That's because most Presidents have been involved with politics earlier, before they actually became President - which is why they're rich, and why they're elected - because [most - excluding Bush] know what they were/are doing.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=violet]What about Abraham Lincoln. This man came from a humble background Abe Lincoln's first job was a store clerk and he taught himself to read.
Okay, so maybe most of the presidents in this day and age got into politics because their daddies were in politics, but that just proves that their daddies had time on their hands.
As for having a black president or a woman president, that person would more likely than not still be Christian. WHich is not a bad thing, some of my closest friends are Christians, but maybe the fact that the person is a minority would change some of the policies.
As for the gay president not bloody likely. We'll have to have a female pope in Rome first. Sorry I'm for gay rights, just not bloody optomistic at this point and time.
[b]Edit[/b]-For all the talking I do, I should really spell-check myself more often![/color]

[Guest Bloodsin]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Drix D'Zanth [/i]
[B]Yeah.. he doesnt know WTF? I bet he wouldn't. I really don't know the doings of WTF, either. I doubt anyone here on OB could be a better president than Bush. Everyone's a critic, right? God forbid someone sucks at oration. I didn't realize your ability to give speeches and plaster on "politically correct" faces made someone a good president. Sure, he may be a savont, but he's a political savont. [/B][/QUOTE]
I'm glad we understand each other.
Because I am unable to tell if you're being sarcastic, or don't know what "WTF" means, and sadly, since there's no sarcasm mark-up tabs. I conclude to pretend you didn't post half of that post, and hope it goes away.


[QUOTE] Abe Lincoln's first job was a store clerk and he taught himslef to read.[/QUOTE]
He taught himself everything.
He has seen what the majority goes through everyday.
He knew how to make their life better.
He didn't owe anyone anything.
A trait not shared by todays presidents.

[Baron Samedi]

I was merely referring to the lack of the word America in your original post... it is inanely obvious what you mean, but I was just striking at the overwhelming self... centeredness that you wouldn't even say America. There are other Presidentialities out there. I'm not bitter, just amused and annoyed by the occasional lack of thought. Don't worry though, I'm not really serious :)

Also Drix, I believe that savante means wise-man, which isn't entirely correct if I understand the gist of your post.

I don't know why everyone disses Bush so much... isn't that kind of like the irrational hatred of Britney Spears? I mean, he has made bad decisions. But it isn't his sole responsibility, it comes from his advisors as well. Give him a break- as Drix said everyone is a critic, and I'd like to see you running the country.

Really, in a perfect world, in Utopia, people would vote for the person's beliefs and intentions rather than any form of physical or mental prejudice.

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Hahaha Semjaza. Fair enough. However, idiot savante referrs to some mentally retarded people. Idiot meaning a person with no life or social skills, and savante being wise-man [in my interpretation]. Now though, people think the word idiot is offensive and have removed it, therebye calling them wise-men [or scholar by you] which totally defeats the meaning of the word. The stupidity gets beyond me sometimes :rolleyes:.

[Semjaza]

"Savont" and "savante" are technically not even words... heh. It's "savant" and it basically means a scholar. I guess wise man would be acceptable.

So yeah, since a certain someone feels a need to be this picky about what country is obviously being referred to, I feel I should be picky about this lol.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Baron Samedi [/i]
[B]I don't know why everyone disses Bush so much... isn't that kind of like the irrational hatred of Britney Spears? I mean, he has made bad decisions. But it isn't his sole responsibility, it comes from his advisors as well. Give him a break- as Drix said everyone is a critic, and I'd like to see you running the country.
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[color=deeppink]Which is precisely why I'm leaving my thoughts and feelings about the current leader of the US out of this thread (for now) since most people hopefully already know my veiws on those matters. Although mine aren't completely mindless.
I think looking for a person with ethics who participates in politics is like trying to find the proverbial needle in the haystack, You know there's one in there, it's just a biyatch to find!
A utopian society (as Baron also mentioned) is a great idea, but that's all it is, an idea. It's like those Walgreen's commercials talking about a place called Perfect. It just doesn't exist and it would be pointless to try since everyone has their own ideas about government policy.
There I've added more fuel for the masses, I hope that it's used accordingly[/color]:nervous: