gundamcat17 Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Cera [/i] [B]Which can easily lead into another topic. Is Hentai art or Sexual content? There just isn't a clear boundary for lot's of this stuff. Shades of grey.... [/B][/QUOTE] I geuss when it comes down to it hentai is a form of art...just not one that i agree wit...yes nudity in anime is something that i do agree with because i realise it is art and it is even a pretty nice addition sometimes.however i will never agree with 90 minute hentai films...thats just wrong...also from what i have seen from americans that don't give a crap about japanese culture is the fact that they don't realise that nudity is generaly accepted in japan.Where here it is thought of as the devil{i'm sorry to say that but if you say america was formed on anything other than religion you don't know your countrys history very well}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted August 19, 2001 Author Share Posted August 19, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Anna [/i] [B]Transtic- I just barely noticed that in your sig. I guess I'll be honest and say that I don't agree with the whole bisexual and homosexual notion. I personally think that it isn't right, but please understand that though I may disagree with someone's choice, that doesn't mean that I am 'condemning' them or think that they are a 'bad' person. I still like you Transtic, in fact my opinion of you hasn't changed at all. And I admire your courage to be open with people. :) sexuality in general- I [i]think[/i] it was James who said it, but it was brought up somewhere that one doesn't choose their sexuality and that they're born with it. I disagree, we all have the capactiy to consciously make decisions about everyhting we do. Some people might think that they were born homosexual or something, but it's because of environmental stimulis; there are a number of factors that influence a child's mentality when they are young, and those impressions stay with them for life, and they grow up thinking there's nothing they can do about it. But I think that homosexuality simply isn't meant to be, and that counseling could help one who was confused with their sexuality. [/B][/QUOTE] ok, well let me respond to those two things.... The first paragraph.... yes I know you and ALOT of people disagree with bisexuality or homosexuality, and thats all fine by me. One of my best friends on the net feels the same way. Sometimes it's personal reasons, other times it's religious or whatever.... really I don't care if you think it's wrong for me to be that way, as long as you can accept the fact i am, and I can't change.... cause this is me and I cannot change me..... no one can change who they really are...... they can pretend to be something they aren't but inside you are and always will be the same person.... The second paragraph..... I will totally disagree.... i DID NOT make the choice to be Bisexual.... tell me this..... why would someone choose to be hated by people? Gay people are hated, I have a boyfriend, so basically I'm in a gay relationship, so why would I choose to be hated?.... See it makes no sense.... also.... If we choose to be Bisexual or gay, thats means, only logically that you and other chose to be heterosexual..... so tell me..... what were you before you chose to be heterosexual? I know for a fact I've always liked boy and girls.... I know it.... I know it's not something i chose..... like I said, why would I choose to be hated and disrespected like that.... it makes no sense.... It's the way I feel inside and going back to what I said before [i]"....I can't change.... cause this is me and I cannot change me..... no one can change who they really are...... they can pretend to be something they aren't but inside you are and always will be the same person...."[/i].... That says it all... I cannot change the fact I am Bisexual.... it's who I am.... no matter for how long I pretended to be heterosexual or whatever you all thougt I was.... i was still Bisexual... i have ALWAYS been bisexual.... Let me also point out I'm not offended by what you said, I just think you don't quite understand as well as I do or any other gay or bisexual person. Believe me, you really don't know. You are straight I'm presuming, so you really don't have a fair say as to what we think or if we chose or didn't choose to be the way we are..... I was just saying all that to somewhat enlighten you in the way I feel about this and what I've felt... and what I am.... As for what the picture is trying to tell you.... I dunno.... gackt, the guy on the right has basically openly said he has had boyfriend and is Bi.... i think him and Yu, the guy on the left, have a relationship that isn't public but there for you to decide.... In the Vanilla live concert, he did something similar to that, except he was clothes and it was with his guitarist..... He went between his legs and had his head in the crotch of the other guy, then the other guy did it to gackt as well in the middle of the concert.... it wasn't like they were preforming oral sex, it was just part of the show, and the women.... the crowd was full of girls and Oh man, did they ever love that..... You must also realize bisexuality and homosexuality are widely accepted in Japan as being completely normal and sometimes even better.... sure you'll have the people who don't like it but it's Nothing compared to the way Americ treats it.... Also Hentai is sex.... like I said before.... playboy and playgirl magazines forcus on one thing, Turning the viewer on by showing sexual body parts that one doesn't see everyday walking the streets..... hentai works the same way.... it turns the viewer on, just in this case the person in the pictures are animated.... it makes no real difference.... they aren't showing affection in hentai.... well not always, it's more about the act of sex or showing of parts in a sexual way to stimulate the viewer..... And plus the meaning of the word hentai, which is pervert, pretty much gives it away.... if you were to search hentai on the net in Japan, you'd find regular porn sites too..... not just the animated stuff we consider hentai in the rest of the world..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]And plus the meaning of the word hentai, which is pervert, pretty much gives it away.... if you were to search hentai on the net in Japan, you'd find regular porn sites too..... not just the animated stuff we consider hentai in the rest of the world..... [/B][/QUOTE] That's quite true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundamcat17 Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 O.k. so i think you said everything i was feeling but was to lazy to type so thank you transtic for expressing the way i feel so very well...also I am bi aswell if any of you didn't figure that out yet however i am in a relationship with a women that accepts that fact... The major difference between me and transtic is i am not going to be ostricized for the way that i am because people can always say "well he is engaged to a woman so he can't be that bad". To the folks that say that I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU and you should not care about the way i think feel or act...nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted August 19, 2001 Author Share Posted August 19, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gundamcat17 [/i] [B]O.k. so i think you said everything i was feeling but was to lazy to type so thank you transtic for expressing the way i feel so very well...also I am bi aswell if any of you didn't figure that out yet however i am in a relationship with a women that accepts that fact... The major difference between me and transtic is i am not going to be ostricized for the way that i am because people can always say "well he is engaged to a woman so he can't be that bad". To the folks that say that I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU and you should not care about the way i think feel or act...nuff said [/B][/QUOTE] Heh no problem man.... I always LOVE to type alot and you'll notice that if you pay alot of attention to me... there is a reason i won the Longest posts away at another board heh.... But anyway..... I think it's awesome that you are Bisexual and that even if you are in a relation ship with a woman, it's stll cool to know you.... best of luck to you and to her :) People would be surprised at how many people at otaku are bisexual or gay..... just think... the ratio of gay/bisexual to straight people in 1/30... for every 30 people one of them probably is gay or bi.... I'm sure it's less or more depending on where you are and etc... but thats what I hear the average is..... In government class last year, my teacher was kinda mad cause this kid said "***" as a stupid insult to someone or about something... my teacher said not to say that cause it was totally disrespectful to anyone and that odds were someone in our class was gay or bi.... that someone as far as I know was me... i never said anything though... oh well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundamcat17 Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 That is the surveyed thought from what i have heard as well..however ihave also heard from a friend in a psych class in school that the actuall ratio of people that have thoughts towards someone of the same sexx is more like 1 in 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted August 19, 2001 Author Share Posted August 19, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by gundamcat17 [/i] [B]That is the surveyed thought from what i have heard as well..however ihave also heard from a friend in a psych class in school that the actuall ratio of people that have thoughts towards someone of the same sexx is more like 1 in 12 [/B][/QUOTE] Well it's quite normal for a heterosexual kid to have feelings toward the same sex when going through puberty. Most just experiment and then never do anything else... it's common for that.... but having thoughts of and actually being gay or bi are two different things.... but like I siad, I have no idea what the true ratio is..... I'm just going off what I heard about that ratio.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundamcat17 Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 you are correct the true number i think would beimpossible to figure out...also the thing about kids going through puberty and experimenting is true i knew alot of people in junior high that said they where bi that are more straight edged than george bush right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Shadow Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 [b]I [i]am[/i] surprised at how many bi's and gay's there is on Otaku. I know 3 at least now... I'm sure there are others. That makes me wonder... Did the world use to have this many? In countries where it was considered criminal? Where you were an outlaw to be homosexual? I think there were far fewer. Now that its commonly accepted in the world, i think there are more, cuz they take feelings they have toward the same sex and label it as bisexual. And it grows off of that from childhood on up. Then when they announce it, they stick with it the rest of their life. I think you can change who you are. Or everyone would be the same. Experiances and influences change who you are. Especially in your teen years. I can assure you i would be completely diffrent if i grew up in a different household. From my experiance, gays and bi's aren't hated by America. A little, yes. But look at this topic. Many people praised you fer yer courage, and many agreed with what you said. I see it on the news all the time, that gay's and bi's should be treated the same. It seems to be accepted. What i have said in this post i [i]severly[/i] doubt will be praised, or accepted. More than likely it'll be frowned upon. I will say this straight out: I think homosexuality is evil. Not the homosexuals. I like Transtic very much, but i dislike his bisexuality. (no one is going to say to me, "Hey, that guy has courage!", jes' watch. Unless, of course, they say that cuz of whats in this parantheses)[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted August 19, 2001 Author Share Posted August 19, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Desert Shadow [/i] [B][b]I [i]am[/i] surprised at how many bi's and gay's there is on Otaku. I know 3 at least now... I'm sure there are others. That makes me wonder... Did the world use to have this many? In countries where it was considered criminal? Where you were an outlaw to be homosexual? I think there were far fewer. Now that its commonly accepted in the world, i think there are more, cuz they take feelings they have toward the same sex and label it as bisexual. And it grows off of that from childhood on up. Then when they announce it, they stick with it the rest of their life. I think you can change who you are. Or everyone would be the same. Experiances and influences change who you are. Especially in your teen years. I can assure you i would be completely diffrent if i grew up in a different household. From my experiance, gays and bi's aren't hated by America. A little, yes. But look at this topic. Many people praised you fer yer courage, and many agreed with what you said. I see it on the news all the time, that gay's and bi's should be treated the same. It seems to be accepted. What i have said in this post i [i]severly[/i] doubt will be praised, or accepted. More than likely it'll be frowned upon. I will say this straight out: I think homosexuality is evil. Not the homosexuals. I like Transtic very much, but i dislike his bisexuality. (no one is going to say to me, "Hey, that guy has courage!", jes' watch. Unless, of course, they say that cuz of whats in this parantheses)[/b] [/B][/QUOTE] Well if you grew up in another house you would be a different person, thus making that person you.... Nothing in my life has traumatized me to be the way I am.... I have lived a loving life with my family... for the most part... granted I have cronic depression, but I didn't have that till I turned 13 or so and I knew well before then that i liked guys.... The world has always had gay and bisexual people.... the ancient greeks practiced homosexuality cause they were... well.... mean to their women.... women were slaves to them... they were there for doing chores and giving brith..... when the greeks wanted to have fun, they didn't do it with their women (hell women weren't allowed in the streets), they did with their guy friends, and they fell in love with their guy friends and such was that..... Romans and Egyptians and just every culture has had gay or bisexual people in it.... there isn't anything that makes you gay... there's no special rock or something that if you touch you become gay..... you are gay because you were born that way.... I was born that way, nothing has ever made me bisexual.... I'm that way because it's me..... Yes people can change.... but it takes alot to change whats deep down inside... you can change certain things on the outside... like your personality, who you talk to do, what you do, this that or another.... but something as deep as "whether you feel attracted to guys, girls, or both" cannot be changed.... I can tell youright now... if I slept with 80000000 women in a row for 50 years I would still be bisexual... nothing will EVER change that in me..... Like I said before..... I understand that some people will not agree with homosexuality or bisexuality due to personal morals or religious morals.... and I said that was ok..... because you follow what you believe.... but you have to realize yourself, that I and many other people don't believe in all the bible's teachings.... and that not everyone is christian or whatever... and thatthose people have no problem with it.... If you can accept that, then I have no problem with you.... you just gotta accept I'm the way i am and there's nothing that will change that.... that's all i want people to do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zanza Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B]All you need is [i]at least[/i] half a brain to think about the picture and consider it's message. By the way, watch your language next time...that kind of language is inappropriate here.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] If it was that simple then why make a topic on it at all? Exactly. People look at it differently. I don't look at it as art because I haven't taken art classes, and I don't exactly know where the boundaries of art are. So I go by what I know, and the image to me is not art. I just typed those stars anyway :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 [color=blue]I think you'll find a much greater degree of hatred for different sexualities in the United States than anywhere else, that just seems to be the way it's been. I live in Australia, and yes, there is still some level of nonacceptance here. But I find it to be better here than in many other countries. I didn't read back far enough to read who it was who said that we choose our sexuality, but I'm afraid that saying that is just plain wrong. You never consciously choose to fall in love with a woman...you just do. You don't think "Hmm, I think I'll be heterosexual today". That's just not how it works. If people had a choice, I don't think anyone would [i]choose[/i] homosexuality. On the basis of this fact, I don't believe that sexuality can be "agreed" with or "disagreed" with. It's kind of like disagreeing that the sky is blue. You can't disagree with it, because it's just a normal fact of life. Personally, I have lots of theories about sexuality and I think that homosexuality may even be nature's way of controlling human population levels from spinning out of control. I also read that the ratio of homosexual to heterosexual is something like 1 in 10 people. So approximately 10% of the world's population is either gay or bisexual. And regarding the idea that there are more homosexuals these days...I don't think that's necessarily true. I think that the number of people who are non-hetersexual is probably even higher than 1 in 10, but most people either don't think about it consciously or they are too afraid to talk about it. And in the past, I don't think people would have been as willing to talk about it as they are now, because obviously, the intolerance was a lot worse in the past. But I still feel that the level of intolerance towards people of other sexualities is similar to the intolerance of black people during the 60s in America. It's still far too high and in my opinion, is unacceptable. I guess I've had the benefit of growing up in an enlightened household...where intolerance of any kind is frowned upon, regardless of religion.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted August 20, 2001 Author Share Posted August 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B][color=blue]I didn't read back far enough to read who it was who said that we choose our sexuality, but I'm afraid that saying that is just plain wrong. You never consciously choose to fall in love with a woman...you just do. You don't think "Hmm, I think I'll be heterosexual today". That's just not how it works. If people had a choice, I don't think anyone would [i]choose[/i] homosexuality.[/color][/b] [/quote] Exactly how I think of it.... I am still waiting for the answer, from anyone who is straight, to my question "What were you before you chose to be heterosexual?".... I mean... it's only fair since you think we homosexulas and Bisexuals chose to be this way..... sounds kinda stupid now doesn't it? heh, yeah...... You really can't say that we choose to be this way, cause frankly, you aren't and what you aren't you have no right to judge upon.... [quote]][color=blue][b] I also read that the ratio of homosexual to heterosexual is something like 1 in 10 people. So approximately 10% of the world's population is either gay or bisexual. [/color][/b][/quote] Well I would guess it was that high.... you never really know cause people out there are so afraid of coming out sometimes, you never will know.... People, like me, who were afraid of losing the respect that you all have given me.... afraid of being hated... being called sick..... thats why you never hear about that many gay and bisexual people..... they are afraid.... [quote]][color=blue][b]I guess I've had the benefit of growing up in an enlightened household...where intolerance of any kind is frowned upon, regardless of religion.[/color] [/B][/QUOTE] Thats good.... I've grown up in something similar to that.... my parents aren't racists and they've NEVER said anything mean regarding different sexualities, races, whatever.... Ten again, religion isn't a strong factor in my household either.... we don't go to church (granted we used to.... every Sunday for years).... i know my mom and dad are christian and believe in god and all but they aren't devoted to it like some people (not saying thats wrong, just saying that my parents aren't) and they cuss, not alot, and all.... I've never told them I don't consider myself Christain anymore... nor have i told them that I'm bisexual.... I'm seriously thinking about it but I don't think my mom will care, and since she runs the family (thank Kami-sama!) she could always enlighten my dad :) who i'm sure wouldn't like it at first but would deffinantly except me for who I am..... the only person i worry about is my brother.... that idiot can't keep his mouth shut if you super glued it together..... he always talks about everyone but himself..... perhaps I should just go yelling out that he has a kid now... boy wouldn't that be funny.... heh..... but I'm not like that.... he's lucky..... Anyway, I've gone off subject and i can't remember what i was going to say so... yeah.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zanza Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]yes I know you and ALOT of people disagree with bisexuality or homosexuality, and thats all fine by me. One of my best friends on the net feels the same way. really I don't care if you think it's wrong for me to be that way, as long as you can accept the fact i am[/B][/QUOTE] Like James said "You can't disagree with it, because it's just a normal fact of life." Your friend sucks >: ( Desert Shadow, despite your little parentheses note at the bottom, that [i]was[/i] brave of you to say. Most people probably won't give you high notes on what you said, but that's why it took so much bravery. You were willing to accept the criticism on what you thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Shadow Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B] Well if you grew up in another house you would be a different person, thus making that person you.... Nothing in my life has traumatized me to be the way I am.... I have lived a loving life with my family... for the most part... granted I have cronic depression, but I didn't have that till I turned 13 or so and I knew well before then that i liked guys.... The world has always had gay and bisexual people.... the ancient greeks practiced homosexuality cause they were... well.... mean to their women.... women were slaves to them... they were there for doing chores and giving brith..... when the greeks wanted to have fun, they didn't do it with their women (hell women weren't allowed in the streets), they did with their guy friends, and they fell in love with their guy friends and such was that..... Romans and Egyptians and just every culture has had gay or bisexual people in it.... there isn't anything that makes you gay... there's no special rock or something that if you touch you become gay..... you are gay because you were born that way.... I was born that way, nothing has ever made me bisexual.... I'm that way because it's me..... Yes people can change.... but it takes alot to change whats deep down inside... you can change certain things on the outside... like your personality, who you talk to do, what you do, this that or another.... but something as deep as "whether you feel attracted to guys, girls, or both" cannot be changed.... I can tell youright now... if I slept with 80000000 women in a row for 50 years I would still be bisexual... nothing will EVER change that in me..... Like I said before..... I understand that some people will not agree with homosexuality or bisexuality due to personal morals or religious morals.... and I said that was ok..... because you follow what you believe.... but you have to realize yourself, that I and many other people don't believe in all the bible's teachings.... and that not everyone is christian or whatever... and thatthose people have no problem with it.... If you can accept that, then I have no problem with you.... you just gotta accept I'm the way i am and there's nothing that will change that.... that's all i want people to do..... [/B][/QUOTE] [i]Posted by Transtic: "The world has always had gay and bisexual people.... the ancient greeks practiced homosexuality cause they were... well.... mean to their women.... women were slaves to them... they were there for doing chores and giving brith..... when the greeks wanted to have fun, they didn't do it with their women (hell women weren't allowed in the streets), they did with their guy friends, and they fell in love with their guy friends and such was that..... "[/i] [b]That says right there that its in the culture, more of a choice, that they are used to it. They weren't born with it, they jes' got used to it. Anyone could get used to it, even me.[/b] [i]Posted by Transtic: "Like I said before..... I understand that some people will not agree with homosexuality or bisexuality due to personal morals or religious morals.... and I said that was ok..... because you follow what you believe.... but you have to realize yourself, that I and many other people don't believe in all the bible's teachings.... and that not everyone is christian or whatever... and thatthose people have no problem with it.... If you can accept that, then I have no problem with you.... you just gotta accept I'm the way i am and there's nothing that will change that.... that's all i want people to do..... "[/i] [b]I realize that many many people do not beleive what i beleive. I realize that some people have no problem with bisexuality. I also realize some people don't have a problem with Hitler's plan. Or with killling, stealing, etc... But i won't accept that its okay because they beleive it. In the same way, I won't accept that bisexuality is okay because you think it is. Nor will i stand silent about it. If i didn't say anything, then i obviously don't stand up for what i beleive in. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 Art. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted August 21, 2001 Author Share Posted August 21, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Desert Shadow [/i] [B] [b]That says right there that its in the culture, more of a choice, that they are used to it. They weren't born with it, they jes' got used to it. Anyone could get used to it, even me.[/b][/quote] It doesn't say they made the choice to be that way. It's part of their culture.... culture has everything to do with it.... Their culture is Homosexual.... no where does it say they chose their culture, they just accepted it.... and thats the way they lived life.... [quote] [b]I realize that many many people do not beleive what i beleive. I realize that some people have no problem with bisexuality. I also realize some people don't have a problem with Hitler's plan. Or with killling, stealing, etc... But i won't accept that its okay because they beleive it. In the same way, I won't accept that bisexuality is okay because you think it is. Nor will i stand silent about it. If i didn't say anything, then i obviously don't stand up for what i beleive in. [/B][/QUOTE] ..... perhaps you don't understand.... There is a BIG difference between killing people because of a religion and being bisexual.............. how can you compare the two.... it's unheard of..... Well do whatever.... don't accept it... I really don't care cause even if you don't accept it, I'm still this way. I wouldn't change if God told me to.... cause i can't change, it's what I am... It was NEVER a choice of mine to be this way..... And I really can't get anyone's argument that we chose to be this way..... If we chose to be this way, to be fair, you had to choose to be the way you are..... so, what were you before you chose to heterosexual? ......... I'm still waiting for my answer.... and if you can't answer it... than you have NO right to say that we chose to be this way..... And the answer "we are born heterosexual" just works in my favor... because I can say i was born Bisexual.... whatever the answer may be, it won't back up your agument of "we chose to be this way".... cause you really don't know.... when's the last time you were gay? How do YOU know we chose this way?..... because it says so in some book..... that maybe I don't believe in... and just cause you believe in it, doesn't mean I am going to accept it....... :) see your arguments work perfectly against you :) not to be an @ss or anything.... you know no matter what you feel about me I will respect you. I juust don't think you have the right to think what you think about us cause well.... you aren't us..... I don't go around thinking for African Americans..... seee my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zanza Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B]I don't go around thinking for African Americans...[/B][/QUOTE] blacks* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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