George W. Bush, The Idiot of America.

[Ryu_Sakura]

[i][SIZE=1][color=pink]George W. Bush, The [strike]President[/strike] Idiot of America. I think that this may have been brought up several times, but today during dinner me and my family had a heated debate on the stupidity of our presidents, which ended up as an Anti-George W. Bush debate, like why he shouldn?t be elected again, why he shouldn?t have been elected at all, and all his faults. Well, just to make things clear, I don?t want this to become an ?All Texans Are Stupid? thread but just one releasing all our hatred for George.

Here is my statement, ?He is a badly educated twit who started the war with Iraq for personal reasons, and if he wasn?t elected president none of this would have ever happened (meaning someone wanted revenge on his family).? The reason I added the last part was, because to me and the other politically aware people in my house say that the terrorists are patient, they could wait a long time before making a move, and he was the fault they were waiting for, but I?m not saying Gore would have been much better seeing as though they both have a low intelligence level.

Oh, and so people don?t yell at me I?m putting this in ?We of America are not stupid we just have a low EQ, the ability to postpone personal pleasure for future gain.?

I know this has probaly already been done, but I was really intrired on how my family's opinions changed.
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[Guest Crimson Spider]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
?He is a badly educated twit who started the war with Iraq for personal reasons, and if he wasn?t elected president none of this would have ever happened (meaning someone wanted revenge on his family).?
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Watch the news recently? An Iraqy Regime Change has been in the plan long before he was ever president. Clinton had relied on aerial strikes, which did little good. The house was considering using ground tactics... then it happened. Afterwards, we took on the terrorrist groups. Then we saw pratically the same thing, which we already had planned to take care of. So, he sent inspectors, spy satelites found something, we gave him the altimadums (sp?) which he didn't meet. So we attacked.

[quote]The reason I added the last part was, because to me and the other politically aware people in my house say that the terrorists are patient, they could wait a long time before making a move, and he was the fault they were waiting for, but I?m not saying Gore would have been much better seeing as though they both have a low intelligence level. [/quote]
They would've attacked on that day anyway. That was the first day of their "Holy Month", which Osama claimed that it would be full of victories for their muslim sect.

[quote]Oh, and so people don?t yell at me I?m putting this in ?We of America are not stupid we just have a low EQ, the ability to postpone personal pleasure for future gain.?[/quote]I'm actually an American.

I know this has probaly already been done, but I was really intrired on how my family's opinions changed.
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It has been done before... many times. Thank goodness this topic is going to be locked by Friday anyway.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[color=violet]So the whole point of this post was to state your opinion. Okay, Bush is an idiot. There, said and done. I hope someone closes this soon. What kind of discussion is this anyway?[/color]

[amibasuki]

[FONT=arial]I love reading your threads. you always say the silliest things. *tee-hee!*

how about you try being held responsible for an entire country, and see if you can please every person who has their own idea about how a country should be run. or if you could do better. ;)[/FONT]

[Guest Crimson Spider]

One which will turn into a vicious arguement where people bring up personal history that has nothing to do with the topic to further belittle the one who they are debating against.

But here's my opinion: Bush isn't givin as much credit as he should have. Many of the reasons of which why people don't like Bush are conspiracy myths and mis-information. He may not be the best president, but anyone who would bring up the economy on a steady 8% increase due to his "overspendings" has got to be decent.

[Dagger]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
George W. Bush, The [strike]President[/strike] Idiot of America. I think that this may have been brought up several times, but today during dinner me and my family had a heated debate on the stupidity of our presidents, which ended up as an Anti-George W. Bush debate, like why he shouldn?t be elected again, why he shouldn?t have been elected at all, and all his faults. Well, just to make things clear, I don?t want this to become an ?All Texans Are Stupid? thread but just one releasing all our hatred for George.[/quote]

On the one hand, I'm not our President's biggest fan. On the other hand, it's quite presumptuous of you to assume that a majority of OBers feel some sort of intense hatred toward him. Saying how much you despise Mr. Bush without even giving concrete reasons for your contempt is, to put it simply, childish. It reflects poorly on your fellow liberals (like me).

By the way, the conversation you're describing sounds far more like a mutual rant than an actual debate.

[quote]Here is my statement, ?He is a badly educated twit who started the war with Iraq for personal reasons, and if he wasn?t elected president none of this would have ever happened (meaning someone wanted revenge on his family).? The reason I added the last part was, because to me and the other politically aware people in my house say that the terrorists are patient, they could wait a long time before making a move, and he was the fault they were waiting for, but I?m not saying Gore would have been much better seeing as though they both have a low intelligence level.[/quote]

Badly educated? Excuse me? President Bush went to [i]Yale[/i], honey. I would consider myself quite lucky if I ended up doing the same. And it sounds as though you're stating that terrorists decided to target America because he was elected, which is beyond ludicrous.

How can you, a teenager, profess to judge the intelligence of an adult to whom you've never been introduced? I'd say that this is some pretty narrow-minded behavior.

~Dagger~

[Ryu_Sakura]

Oh, just to tell you any [i]other[/i] person could have done better, but what he did was stupid, foolish, and a waste of cash, and no I highly doubt they woud've attaked if someone eles was in office. But, just let me say this: "Bush is an idiot, another person would have atempted to prevent war, but he didn't in fact he seemed eger." So, i may not be the smartest or most politicly aware. that is all i have to say, of and I don't have a TV. only a porsible dvd player the TV broke 2 years ago, and i havent gotten off my but long enough to fix it. and i relized that it was planned but like i said, we could have prevented some death and damage to the Iraqi people with the help of a more educated president, her ataced with our thinking all the pros and cons of attacing at a time of economical crisi, in our own land. How do you think we could help another contry when we were in trouble our selves? Do me the favor, think about that.

Sorry if that seems like rambling, oh and I took over my daughter's computer for the moment, so thats my bit.

~Sakura's Mom.
EDIT: I got my computer back, and sorry if i seem childish, but tonight i'm kinda pissed off. sorry, I'll just go ahead and hide in my corner till I calm down Goodnight. well, i'll be on, just in the adventure area. oh, and I will quote him because i like a good laugh.

"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
- George W. Bush

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
- George W. Bush

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
- Governor George W. Bush

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
- Governor George W. Bush

"The future will be better tomorrow."
- Governor George W. Bush

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
- Governor George W. Bush

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
- Governor George W. Bush

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
- Governor George W. Bush

"Public speaking is very easy."
- Governor George W. Bush

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
- Governor George W. Bush

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
- Governor George W. Bush

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
- Governor George W. Bush

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
- Governor George W. Bush

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
- Governor George W. Bush

"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
- Governor George W. Bush

oh, by the way this list was found on [url]www.00fun.com[/url] oh, and i'm not a teenager, yet, so excuse me i'm still a preteen, I'm 12.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crimson Spider [/i]
[B]One which will turn into a vicious arguement where people bring up personal history that has nothing to do with the topic to further belittle the one who they are debating against.

But here's my opinion: Bush isn't givin as much credit as he should have. Many of the reasons of which why people don't like Bush are conspiracy myths and mis-information. He may not be the best president, but anyone who would bring up the economy on a steady 8% increase due to his "overspendings" has got to be decent. [/B][/QUOTE]
[color=violet]I'm not going to get into the Bush thing because it's played out.
He has done some good things for the country he's done some bad things as well. I am very impressed with the way he handled 9/11. Gore would have probably appologized for putting the buildings in the path of the planes (to quote my husband) But I think we were too hasty on getting involved in Iraq since we already had forces in Afghanistan.
But CS is right about the fact that this post will probably start nothing but ill-conceived arguments with half baked idealism and nobody checking their facts.
Okay, so he had a C average at Yale and should've just applied for a State College in Texas instead. But hey, he's proof that you don't need to be dean's list material to make soemthing of yourself. That should count for something[/color]
[color=purple]It should also count that I said something nice about Bush.Bah! And agreed with CS on top of that![/color]

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ChibiHorsewoman [/i]
[B][color=violet]So the whole point of this post was to state your opinion. Okay, Bush is an idiot. There, said and done. I hope someone closes this soon. What kind of discussion is this anyway?[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=green]I?ll tell you what kind of ******** discussion this is. It?s one that is fundamentally flawed and influenced heavily by those liberal ********.[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
[B][i][SIZE=1][color=pink]George W. Bush, The [strike]President[/strike] Idiot of America. I think that this may have been brought up several times, but today during dinner me and my family had a heated debate on the stupidity of our presidents, which ended up as an Anti-George W. Bush debate, like why he shouldn?t be elected again, why he shouldn?t have been elected at all, and all his faults. Well, just to make things clear, I don?t want this to become an ?All Texans Are Stupid? thread but just one releasing all our hatred for George.[/SIZE][/color][/i] [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=green]Being a member of the young Republicans club at my high school, I may not be the best person to offer an objective opinion on the subject. However, I am shocked at your disrespectful and hateful comments about President Bush.

Seem to me your family would rather see Iraq under the control of Saddam Hussein. I take it that your family also opposes larger tax cuts for the rich, who people tend to forget pay the most taxes in the first place. They already pay far more than their fair share of taxes, it?s time they began to get some of the unspent money back.

Obviously you have issues with doing the right thing.[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
[B][i][SIZE=1][color=pink]Here is my statement, ?He is a badly educated twit who started the war with Iraq for personal reasons, and if he wasn?t elected president none of this would have ever happened (meaning someone wanted revenge on his family).? The reason I added the last part was, because to me and the other politically aware people in my house say that the terrorists are patient, they could wait a long time before making a move, and he was the fault they were waiting for, but I?m not saying Gore would have been much better seeing as though they both have a low intelligence level.
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[color=green]Badly educated twit? He went to an Ivy League college, and became the governor of the state of Texas. He was also elected president of the most powerful nation on earth. Obviously he must be somewhat intelligent to accomplish these feats.

War on Iraq for personal reasons? You need psychiatric help my dear. The congress of the United States authorized this war, supporting our President. They have no ulterior motives, and this invasion was supported by both Democrats and Republicans alike.

First of all, your family doesn?t know a ******* thing about terrorists. Leave that to the Department of Homeland Security. Good Greif?

Finally, you have criticized former vice president Al Gore. As much as I disagree with his views, he is a smart man. He is a very wealthy man, largely due to his wise business and political decisions over the years. He too is intelligent.[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
[B][i][SIZE=1][color=pink] Oh, and so people don?t yell at me I?m putting this in ?We of America are not stupid we just have a low EQ, the ability to postpone personal pleasure for future gain.?

I know this has probaly already been done, but I was really intrired on how my family's opinions changed.
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[color=green]Use spell check. It?s IQ, not EQ. That?s Everquest.

In closing I?d like to say that I completely disagree with everything you have said Ryu_Sakura. Your opinions are unfounded and fundamentally flawed.

No doubt you?ll be voting for Howard Dean.

-Boba Fett, Republican and proud of it.[/color]

[amibasuki]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
[B]Oh, just to tell you any [i]other[/i] person could have done better, but what he did was stupid, foolish, and a waste of cash, and no I highly doubt they woud've attaked if someone eles was in office. But, just let me say this: "Bush is an idiot, another person would have atempted to prevent war, but he didn't in fact he seemed eger." So, i may not be the smartest or most politicly aware. that is all i have to say, of and I don't have a TV. only a porsible dvd player the TV broke 2 years ago, and i havent gotten off my but long enough to fix it. and i relized that it was planned but like i said, we could have prevented some death and damage to the Iraqi people with the help of a more educated president, her ataced with our thinking all the pros and cons of attacing at a time of economical crisi, in our own land. How do you think we could help another contry when we were in trouble our selves? Do me the favor, think about that.

Sorry if that seems like rambling, oh and I took over my daughter's computer for the moment, so thats my bit.

~Sakura's Mom. [/B][/QUOTE]
[FONT=arial]now THAT reads more like the Ryu_Sakura I've come to know! you had me going there for a second with your first post.

if you're not "politically aware" of what's going on, then why are you posting on something you know almost nothing about?

and [i]how[/i] can you possibly make fun of the way George Bush speaks when you yourself can't form a decent sentence to save your life?

I'm not going to bother defending Bush's actions, considering it's been done at least a hundred times already in past threads. if you want to "politically educate" yourself, try reading up on them.[/FONT]

[Dagger]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Boba Fett [/i]
[B][color=green]I?ll tell you what kind of ******** discussion this is. It?s one that is fundamentally flawed and influenced heavily by those liberal ********.[/color][/b][/quote]

Considering that the rest of your comments are very intelligently and eloquently written (and, as a matter of fact, quite similar to what I was attempting to say), I'm a little disappointed in you for blaming Ryu's warped viewpoints on liberal thinking in general. I understand that her comments upset you, but that's no excuse to lash out at approximately half of the American population.

Liberal though I may be, I agree with you whole-heartedly. So please try not to judge all of us for the sins of a few. I'd greatly appreciate it. ^_^

Ryu_Sakura, I'd advise you to work on your own grammar and spelling before you start mocking someone else's.

~Dagger~

[Baron Samedi]

Uuh. I think that was her mother who wrote that.. not her. According to what she said anyway >.>

OK. Let me step in here. I may be Australian, but these kind of events affect most of the world. I don't know who are the conservatives of the American system, and frankly Australians are a lot more laid-back about Politics. But let me say a few things.

Bush may have some sort of 'reputation' as such for being an idiot, and stupid, but I highly doubt that that is the case. As mentioned he has gone to top schools, been trained exceedingly well, and became President of the USA. Give the man some credit, please ~_^. He deserves it. I think there has been some overreaction in this thread- but justified. You came in here, made a rash, faulty and presumptous statement, and now expect to get some sort of... discussion? When you haven't done anything to encourage it?

Nobody knows if there were any ulterior motives in the Iraqi war. Maybe it was a mix of private and public reasons. Maybe he did it entirely for the right reasons. The US shouldn't have gone against the UN's orders [and then beg the UN to help]... but that is just me. You have no idea what went on. Unless you have access to the President's thoughts. Sure, Congress could have been bought. Any number of things could have happened, but for you to come and say what you did, with no proof or even half truths to support in some way your claim... that is foolish.

I think the end results in part justify the means. The next generation of Iraqi's will be a hell of a lot better off for this war. Presumably.

Oh... thanks for picking up the 'EQ' thing Boba... I was going to kill people if no-one saw that. IQ points- Intelligence Quota.

[Boba Fett]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Dagger IX1 [/i]
[B]Considering that the rest of your comments are very intelligently and eloquently written (and, as a matter of fact, quite similar to what I was trying to say), I'm a little disappointed in you for blaming Ryu's warped viewpoints on liberal thinking in general. I understand that her comments upset you, but that's no excuse to lash out at approximately half of the American population.

Liberal though I may be, I agree with you whole-heartedly. So please try not to judge all of us for the sins of a few. I'd greatly appreciate it. ^_^

Ryu_Sakura, I'd advise you to work on your own grammar and spelling before you start mocking someone else's.

~Dagger~ [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=green]I concur and now stand corrected. I shouldn?t have said that, despite my anger. I?ll try to avoid that in the future Dagger, thanks for keeping me in check.

You know what they say, anger lead to hatred, hatred leads to the Dark Side...[/color]

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
[B]Oh, just to tell you any [i]other[/i] person could have done better, but what he did was stupid, foolish, and a waste of cash, and no I highly doubt they woud've attaked if someone eles was in office. But, just let me say this: "Bush is an idiot, another person would have atempted to prevent war, but he didn't in fact he seemed eger." So, i may not be the smartest or most politicly aware. that is all i have to say, of and I don't have a TV. only a porsible dvd player the TV broke 2 years ago, and i havent gotten off my but long enough to fix it. and i relized that it was planned but like i said, we could have prevented some death and damage to the Iraqi people with the help of a more educated president, her ataced with our thinking all the pros and cons of attacing at a time of economical crisi, in our own land. How do you think we could help another contry when we were in trouble our selves? Do me the favor, think about that. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=green]One word. Spell-Check. As amibasuki mentioned, you?re no English Major yourself.

Any other person could have done better? I think not. Al Gore wouldn?t have had the strength of character to invade Iraq, and free its people from an evil dictator who was a threat to the entire region. If you oppose that course of action, how can you justify that?

Then you mention that you aren?t politically aware. Hello? Anyone home? You just posted a thread about politics. If you?re not politically aware, you obviously don?t know what you?re talking about.

We?re under threat from a rogue nation that has been proven to have weapons of mass destruction, and shown a willingness to use them. We?ve found shells containing blister gas, and our Secretary of State gave a brief to the UN about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. The rest of the world didn?t deny Iraq had those weapons; they just didn?t want to risk their safety to disarm Saddam. The US rose to the task, succeeding where the UN had failed, and did the right thing.[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
[B]Sorry if that seems like rambling, oh and I took over my daughter's computer for the moment, so thats my bit.

~Sakura's Mom.
EDIT: I got my computer back, and sorry if i seem childish, but tonight i'm kinda pissed off. sorry, I'll just go ahead and hide in my corner till I calm down Goodnight. well, i'll be on, just in the adventure area. oh, and I will quote him because i like a good laugh.

oh, by the way this list was found on [url]www.00fun.com[/url] oh, and i'm not a teenager, yet, so excuse me i'm still a preteen, I'm 12. [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=green]I really don?t care who you are, your ideas are just plain hateful and wrong.

George Bush is the President of the United States. He has done the right thing for our nation time and time again. While he is by no mean perfect, and there have been better presidents than he, I feel he is at the very least worthy of the respect of the American people. He has lead us out of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, revived a floundering economy, saved the people of Iraq from a brutal dictator and given the people of America back the government?s tax surplus.

He?s a good guy and I?ll support him in this upcoming election.

-Boba Fett[/color]

[Ryu_Sakura]

Yes, it was my mother, oh and please don't yell at her, it's not her fault she has dexlexia (sp?). oh, and i may have been a little too quick to get angry, and I also may have bben a bit rude, (Sorry!) but I haven't been havie a great week you'll see why tomorrow, or later tonight. ish gotta find a mod to close this, my mothers sad enough about her problem, she didn't get into the school she wanted, among other things. And for those I insulted, please for give a very close family member... never mind. Ok, had to get that out.

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Ryu_Sakura [/i]
[B][i][SIZE=1][color=pink]George W. Bush, The [strike]President[/strike] Idiot of America. I think that this may have been brought up several times, but today during dinner me and my family had a heated debate on the stupidity of our presidents, which ended up as an Anti-George W. Bush debate, like why he shouldn?t be elected again, why he shouldn?t have been elected at all, and all his faults.
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Was this really a debate or you dad saying "I dont' like Bush, He is stupid" and everyone falling in line? Wait a little while to express your opnions, atleast long enough you're not mimicking your father/mom/family member.

[krippled master]

Right, this should most definetly be closed. It was a stupid topic in the first place. Your original post did nothing but say how much you think Bush is a moron. No facts at all except he shouldnt have started junk with Iraq. As the story goes, we got Sadam, I say we did someone else(Iraq) a good turn. I have to say that I am glad Bush was in office instead of Gore when 9/11 rolled around because as chibihorsewomen said, Gore would not have done as good a job as Bush. Gore has his strengths, but war and terrorism is not one of them. Bush actually did some good. Homeland Security was a good idea I think. Anyway, Bush isnt perfect, but every presiden has had their own issues. What I would say to people who call names and point fingers, simple, you try being the president and we will see what you can do.