The March for Life

[Artemis]

Is anyone else going on the March for Life in D.C. this Thursday? I'm really excited about it! (I get to miss three days of school for it!) I went two years ago, and it was a phenomenal experience. For anyone who doesn't know what it is, it's a protest march against abortion. We march to the capital bearing signs. It's really, very powerful. Last time, we went to The Holocaust Museum the day before. It's amazing how similar abortion is to The Holocaust. (Okay, I'll stop there before I start a huge argument over a taboo topic...:rolleyes: )
Anyway, I probably won't get to post again for another week, so I'll tell you then how it went!
~art~

[Ben]

I may be going, if anyone of the teachers at my school gets around to organizing the trip. I've never been before, but my sister has on several occasions and she appears to have enjoyed the experience.

See you there, maybe. :p

[Drix D'Zanth]

If I could I suppose I would be going. I really like how people are marching for their opinion, especially as we're reminded of Martin Luther King Jr. and how he marched upon washington thirty years ago. If I can't be there to support it, or support it financially, please know my heart is going with you :-D.

[Guest Midnight Rush]

I'll be there, I'm going with a friend of mine and his church. I've never been, but I think it will be exciting. I wonder if the president will speak?

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]When I was younger I lived right outside D.C. and I remember my die hard conservative grandfather taking me downtown every year and follow the progression of people to the capital steps. I remember that one year my grandfather got really angry at some of the marchers because they were saying hideously derogatory things to a few protesters. My grandfather was always level headed but he laid into these men saying that just because they didn?t have the same beliefs as the pro-lifers they still should be allowed to voice their opinion. That was the kind of guy my grandpa was.

Anyway, I am not pro-life so there is no reason for me to venture to DC to march.

(p.s. I don?t understand how you associate abortion with the Holocaust, however, I have been to the Holocaust museum recently and I truly think that a person would have to be inhuman not to be moved while visiting that museum)[/color]

[lea]

[COLOR=blue]Meh...I think there are two sides to the abortion issue, so there would be no use for me to go :p [/COLOR]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Heaven's Cloud [/i]
[B][color=indigo]I have been to the Holocaust museum recently and I truly think that a person would have to be inhuman not to be moved while visiting that museum[/color] [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=blue]I know it's a bit off topic, but I found the museum to be really really moving, to the point of tears....
When I was a senior in highschool, a lady came and talked about when she was a little girl, and going through the Holocaust...all of her childhood was about surviving. She lost every single family member, every relative, all of her friends.
She was talking about how she wasn't angry anymore about it. I .. I found that to be really amazing and wonderful. I know thats not what I mean, but its the best I can try to explain it. [/COLOR]

[Guest Midnight Rush]

undeserving "savage" europeans? tsk tsk tsk,
well back to topic: I have no idea why the Holocaust is associated with abortion? Maybe because of all the dead who knows, not hear to pcik idiological fights though, so have a good day!

[Guest lavalamp]

Marches give me headaches.

In my opinion, pro-life protests tend to be the most obnoxious. Ever been to an abortion clinic?

U to the g h.

[Epitome]

Im going with my school. We get to miss all of out classes tommorow only our school is in Baltimore County. So yea Im going.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Artemis [/i]
[B] It's amazing how similar abortion is to The Holocaust. (Okay, I'll stop there before I start a huge argument over a taboo topic...:rolleyes: )
~art~ [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=violet]I believe it was Thomas Paine who said-'I may not like what you have to say, but I'll let you say it.' If not, I know my U.S. History teacher said it. So in reguards to that quote I would like to say:
I fail to see the simularities between the Holocaust and abortion, but if you or anyone else would like to state their reasonings to this opinion, I'm more than willing to listen to them.

As for the argument about a taboo subject-I once started a topic about asking people if they were pro-life or pro-choice. I don't see how abortion is such a taboo anymore.

As for me, I really do fail to see the simularities between abortion and the Holocaust because what the Nazis were doing is classified as genocide. I don't believe a woman going to a clinic is necessarily trying to kill off an entire race of people. She just feels that she made a mistake and this is her way of correcting it.

Okay, yes, that sounded wrong allow me to rephrase this. Maybe the woman will die during labor along with the baby and her doctor feels that this is in her best interest. Perhaps she has too many children already that she can't take care of and yet she doesn't feel it's right to put this child up for adoption. Or maybe she's just not strong enough to put the child up for adoption-altho in my opinion I feel that abortion should be used as an absolute last resort since there are so many couples looking to adopt. Or maybe the child will be born with serious birth defects and the woman doesn't feel it's right to have a child go through life like that.

In my humble opinion I feel that this is much different than a group of people killing off other groups of people because the one group feels that they are the master race. I highly doubt a pregnant woman is feeling highly superior to her unborn child.

So yes, I am pro choice-which is a huge case of irony since I'm adopoted. But I don't feel that it is in the government's best interest to tell a woman what she may and may not do with her body.[/color]

[Justin]

Eh, though I am entirely against abortion under any and all concievable circumstances, it's only one of a ton of issues out there.

There are greater fights to fight, strange as that may sound coming from me. Often with things like abortion, there's something larger behind it. If you expose that to people, and try to help them eliminate it, then the more obvious things(such as abortion) will be eliminated along with it. It sounds simpler, I suppose, but it's much more complicated.

Anyway, I doubt I'll ever attend a March for Life, unless I happen to be in the area. Protests aren't my thing, I'd rather just talk to people than shout about them.

-J

[Shwa]

I was suppose to go with John Carroll school, but i didn't get the permission slip on time. I use to go to John carroll for my freshman year, but i'm at bel air high now! It was really cold last year I went

[Guest Midnight Rush]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]Eh, though I am entirely against abortion under any and all concievable circumstances, it's only one of a ton of issues out there.

There are greater fights to fight, strange as that may sound coming from me. Often with things like abortion, there's something larger behind it. If you expose that to people, and try to help them eliminate it, then the more obvious things(such as abortion) will be eliminated along with it. It sounds simpler, I suppose, but it's much more complicated.

Anyway, I doubt I'll ever attend a March for Life, unless I happen to be in the area. Protests aren't my thing, I'd rather just talk to people than shout about them.

-J [/B][/QUOTE]

He is absolutely correct. Abortion, whther or not you support it, is not the most important issue before the American people. War, terrorism, tax cuts, ect.. all taht should take precedence in a voters mind. However, the lives of the unborn aren't unimportant, please don't misunderstand.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i]
[B]Anyway, I doubt I'll ever attend a March for Life, unless I happen to be in the area. Protests aren't my thing, I'd rather just talk to people than shout about them.
-J [/B][/QUOTE]

[color=violet]Well, Justin, I may not agree with all your beliefs, but i sincerly wish more people would sit down and talk about issues instead of getting into shouting matches. So I do agree with you on this one. Atleast the part about not shouting at people. The world needs a few more level heads like yours on both sides of the coin.

As for me, I would choose not to attend a March for life due to the fact that I am a staunch supporter of a woman's right to choose what she wants to do with her body. I don't see what these people think they could accomplish by over turning Roe vs Wade other than illegal abortions and in turn more deaths during the abortion. However, I respect their opinions and their willingness to say what they believe is right even though I don't support it.

I also agree that there are more important topics than the topic of Roe VS Wade. Such as, getting our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and trying to make the Iraqis a self governing people so the transition will be smoother. Also there are some environmental issues that should be addressed with a bit more common sense than spray painting SUVs and more should be done about education. I also think congress should consider going the way of Vermont and New Jersey and recognize gay marriages.[/color]

[Artemis]

Sorry I didn't rejoin the conversation sooner. I didn't back home 'til late Sunday night, and I was swamped all day yesterday.
[QUOTE]As for the argument about a taboo subject-I once started a topic about asking people if they were pro-life or pro-choice. I don't see how abortion is such a taboo anymore.[/QUOTE]
I figured they didn't want to talk about it on otaku b/c I looked up an abortion thread and found that it'd be closed. I'm trying not to get this one closed as well.
As far as the abortion and holocaust comparison goes, I can see in our country that a massive number of people are being killed every year, denied of their basic right to life. Science is proving more and more that babies are [i]alive[/i] within the woman. Ergo, abortion is murder, and it needs to be stopped. PM me if you want to discuss it more. I don't to piss off the mods.
As to the March itself, I wasn't one of the shouters. For me, it was a way of showing that I support the pro-life movement. The only really radical person I ran into was some weirdo saying that George Bush isn't pro-life. He said we should all vote for some guy from the "Constitutionalist" Party. :rolleyes: Our government is a two-party system. No one else has a real chance at winning. This bozo would only split the pro-life vote. The spin-doctor also lacked a basic understanding of how the government works. He blamed Bush for waiting 'til his third year in office to pass the partial birth abortion law. :rolleyes: [i]Congress[/i] passes the bill. The President [i]signs[/i] it. He's the kind of idiot that makes pro-lifers look bad. *shakes head* He and those radicals who blow up abortion clinics. *shakes head*
I have been to an abortion clinic before, simply to pray (mostly the rosary and the chaplet of Divine Mercy), but I don't think Tiller's has been open any time I've been there...maybe once...I don't know.
The March as a whole was a nice experience. You'd be walking along, and someone from another group would start singing "Hail Holy Queen" or another hymn, so you'd join in a feel this cool connection w/ a complete stranger. That's one of the most awesome things about being Catholic!! :D (And World Youth Day in Toronto was [i]amazing[/i]!)
I was considering putting this in another thread, but I think ppl should be aware of this. And since it happened on the same trip I'll say it now:
On Friday, a group of went to tour the National Archives. Included in the group were my friend, Kree Kenton, and her dad, our history teacher. Mr. Kenton belongs to some sort of James Madison organization, so he was really excited to show us "Jimmy Madison's" signature. We enter the building and prepare to go through security. Kree recently had knee surgeory and was wearing a metal leg brace, which, of course, set off the metal detector. She's pulled aside, and we all think the security guard is going to go over her real quick w/ the wand. Instead, he tugs on the sleeve of her sweatshirt which says "Abortion is mean", and asks, "Do you have something on underneath this?"
She replies that she does, and he insists that she either take it off wear it inside out. She decides to wear it inside out, but it took it a moment for it to click as to why he was making her do it. Apparently, it's insulting to the Bill of Rights, The Constituion, and The Declaration of Independence for Kree to express her freedom of speech in their presence....Do you see something wrong here? It, quite honestly, made me sick to my stomach. I can say right now, that I very strongly dislike D.C. The people there are incredibly cranky, and you have no freedom of religion or speech if you're conservative. *shakes head* It was almost as depressing as the Holocaust Museum.
Okay, that's enough for now!
~art~