Who Hates School!!!??

[KAOS]

Is it just me or is school too long too boring and too hard these days??:eek:

[Purple Haze]

I hate school too. I don't see why we need it. It's just a waste of 12 years of your short life. Who cares about learning how to read and write? and you don't have to go to school for that you can stay at home and someone will teach ya.

[Patronus]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alastor [/i]
[B]I hate school too. I don't see why we need it. It's just a waste of 12 years of your short life. Who cares about learning how to read and write? and you don't have to go to school for that you can stay at home and someone will teach ya. [/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1]How can someone teach you if they don't know how to read and write, huh?[/size]

[Myth]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alastor [/i]
[B]I hate school too. I don't see why we need it. It's just a waste of 12 years of your short life. Who cares about learning how to read and write? and you don't have to go to school for that you can stay at home and someone will teach ya. [/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1][color=blue]Oh geez, Do I really need to say anything? I hope that was
sarcasm. Even though I strongly dislike school, I need it. And
so do you. [i]"Who cares about learning how to read and write?"[/i]
I'd have to say anyone who cares about having more than two
braincells. As for the staying home and teaching, you'd still
be "wasting" 12 years of your life, just at home.[/size][/color]

[Shinmaru]

Honestly, I think school is a lot easier than it really could be - unfortunately, at least in my experience, there are some teachers who just "go through the motions" and teach you only the bare essentials, instead of challenging you and providing you with the full breadth of their experience.

So, yeah, I think you're just needessly releasing your frustration - just think of how many people around the world would [i]die[/i] to simply have the opportunity to give their children the educational opportunities that are readily available in the United States. I think you really need to put things in perspective, honestly. You're one of the luckiest people in the world because you're able to take advantage of the public schooling system of the United States...or, at least, in theory you are. I don't really know the extent that you're taking advantage of it right now, heh.

[Dagger]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Leh [/i]
[B][size=1]How can someone teach you if they don't know how to read and write, huh?[/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

I love you, Leh. ^_~

I also love learning. While not all of my teachers are terribly talented or experienced, I don't [i]mind[/i] going to school. There are times when I truly enjoy it.

KAOS, if you remain disengaged from your classes and refuse to apply yourself, chances are that you will have difficulty making it through the day. Trust me--attempt to gain a better understanding of the subject material, and you'll find that school becomes not only less boring, but also significantly easier.

Do you think that every adult likes going to his or her job? Savor your high school and college years; life won't always be this simple.

~Dagger~

[Kevin]

[color=teal]I used to think school was a real drag too. I have graduated since then and I can only tell you one thing: I miss it. I miss going to school. I never thought that I would have been saying this a couple of years ago, but school was probably the best time of my life. Where else are you going to see your friends everyday? Socially interact with people without having a concern of making a complete fool of yourself? School might be a drag, but it is the best time of your life.[/color]

[KKC]

[size=1] I agree with Kev on that one, although I'm only in 7th grade, I think school will probably be one of the greatest times of my life. Every summer, around the end of July, I always have this craving to go back to school. Over the summer, I rarely ever see my best friends, I mainly only see 1 of them about 3 times each summer because i'v known him for 7 years.

I am glad I go to school, because if I didn't know how to read, write, ect. I would just have no life and I would feel pretty worthless. Even though I don't understand why I need to know about Newton's Laws of Motion and how divide fractions, I'm glad I'm getting an edjucation. Maybe it shall all add up someday...

~K.K.C.
[i]"Eat more haggis."[/i][/size]

[black_morgan14]

The only thing I have to say is if you don't go to school to learn to read and write, than how can you post here? You do need to read and write to know whats going on here!!!

B.M.

[Brasil]

Urge to kill...rising...

Someone explain to me...why...I'm an Idealist when I say there are students (pleural) who just don't care about school and don't want to work and that I know what needs to be done?

I'm really inclined to write off the initial post here as a joke.

I mean, can someone really be that depraved and insecure about their education? Can someone hate their education that much?

What is wrong with you people?

Are you blaming the teachers, admins, curriculum for your displeasure? I've got news for you. While there are bad teachers here and there, there are also bad students. I go as far as to say, for every one bad teacher, there are five bad students.

You have the power to enjoy school. Use some self-control. Develop metacognition. Learn to understand that you have the power to change your outlook on life.

Until you acquire that power, give me a break. Meaning, stop bitching and moaning about 8th grade and shut-up about "OMFG!111!11!1 i hat3 sckool!11!!!1"

Frankly, I'm not surprised at all that you hate school with that kind of attitude. You're a punk. You know what? Whatever instructor flunked you was totally in the right. I agree with their decision to give you a failing grade.

You know what else? Cop that kind of attitude, I'll fail you, too.

[Kei]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shinmaru [/i]
[B]Honestly, I think school is a lot easier than it really could be - unfortunately, at least in my experience, there are some teachers who just "go through the motions" and teach you only the bare essentials, instead of challenging you and providing you with the full breadth of their experience.[/B][/QUOTE]

[color=darkblue]That's true. There are several teachers that do this at my school. But you have to remember that there's always those teachers that will give you the challenge you need. All my teachers do. ^^[/color]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Shinmaru [/i]
[B]So, yeah, I think you're just needessly releasing your frustration - just think of how many people around the world would [i]die[/i] to simply have the opportunity to give their children the educational opportunities that are readily available in the United States.[/B][/QUOTE]

[color=darkblue]Exactly. There's children in the Middle East who still don't get to go to school, one reason even being because they happen to be girls. Children in Africa have to have uniforms before they're ever able to attend school.

To be able to attend a public school [i]for free[/i] except for the occasional class dues or whatever, is pretty much a blessing. Like Shin said, there are people that would give everything they have to get an education like you can get in the places it's provided. If they ever consider moving out of their country, think of the hell of a time they'll have not knowing how to do basic math and other things.

About that comment Alastor made... Who cares about learning to read or write? How about the kids who are sitting in the 7th and 8th grade not being able to read a Dr. Seuss book? I've seen it. Some kids here who are so problematic and disruptive (some by no fault of their own) are just passed on without getting the skills they need because of that, and they suffer when they get on in the later grades. Plus, try thinking about how you'd get a job without knowing how to read. You'd have a hell of a time trying to fill out an application, wouldn't you?

I suggest that if you're going to knock education, you should consider the consequences of not having one first.[/color]

[Semjaza]

As if none of you thought this way at that kid's age. I know I would have rather have been playing videogames or drawing pictures than sitting in class when I was that old. The last thing that would have been of use would be a bunch of people yelling at me and saying how stupid I was.

He'll figure out that this opinion is short-sighted eventually. If not, he'll wind up in a gutter somewhere searching for pennies in the mud. If one doesn't realize this, they're probably best off living in ignorance anyway.

[Drix D'Zanth]

*smiles* PT.

Anyway, I must address this from a moderator perspective at the moment, this is off topic. I don't want to close this thread. PT, Semjaza, Katana, and others have kept the quality of the discussion high enough as to merit its continued existence.

I've sent a PM to KAOS regarding his post. I want this to be an example to all OBers how NOT to start a thread. If I see a thread started without a fairly well thought-out base (I'm talking more than two sentences), I will close it. Post quality is slipping, and I expect more from our newer members. I know some of you have great potential, please do not succumb to mindless posts.

[Maully]

[color=green]I have to agree with Semjaza Azazel here. When I was younger, everyone hated going to school for school. School was a place to see and be seen. That seemed a common sentiment around me all the way through most of high school. If I could just get rid of the books, school would be [b]great![/b] Now that I am older and have horrible study habits, I miss school. I miss learning, although you never totally stop that, I miss being driven to learn. Hopefully for the people posting about how much they hate school, they will have some enlightenment. We, however cannot force them to do so.

Something else I miss about school, a free public education. My tuition costs in the fall are going to be astronomical. They are really trying to start hammering home that a college eduaction is a priviledge.[/color]

[Mitch]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Semjaza Azazel [/i]
[B]As if none of you thought this way at that kid's age. I know I would have rather have been playing videogames or drawing pictures than sitting in class when I was that old. The last thing that would have been of use would be a bunch of people yelling at me and saying how stupid I was.

He'll figure out that this opinion is short-sighted eventually. If not, he'll wind up in a gutter somewhere searching for pennies in the mud. If one doesn't realize this, they're probably best off living in ignorance anyway. [/B][/QUOTE]

[size=1][color=red] Exactly. Tony has it right there.

*smiles as well* Pt, you're going to tell me that when, say, you were in Kindergarten up to the end of High School, 12th grade, you loved every freaking second of it?

From what I've found, you used to be just as angsty as any teenager, and you've even told me something about you looking out a window during English class, or something--and not really caring.

We all hate school at some point.

And honestly...if metacognition is what I think it is. (Well, here's my thought: since metafiction is fiction that's knowing of itself, I'd bet that metacognition is thoughts that are knowing of themselves.) If metacognition is that, I think every single person thinks, and are knowing of what they're thinking.

Obviously, you can phase out other thoughts that are given to you--but it's also necessary to pay attention and think in order to learn something (even though you might not want to). To learn math, you have to think, and if you don't first allow yourself to think, well, then you're not going to learn.

Thinking is pretty much always metacognition..even if it's subconscious.

Anyway, yeah. We all hate school in some form, I don't want anyone to lie about that (even you, PT). There's classes you hate, classes that are bad because of the teacher you get..blah blah blah.

Why have I said you're more idealistic in your approaches to things..?[/color][/size]

[quote]idealism, the attitude that places special value on ideas and ideals as products of the mind, in comparison with the world as perceived through the senses. In art idealism is the tendency to represent things as aesthetic sensibility would have them rather than as they are. In ethics it implies a view of life in which the predominant forces are spiritual and the aim is perfection. In philosophy the term refers to efforts to account for all objects in nature and experience as representations of the mind and sometimes to assign to such representations a higher order of existence. It is opposed to materialism. Plato conceived a world in which eternal ideas constituted reality, of which the ordinary world of experience is a shadow. In modern times idealism has largely come to refer the source of ideas to man's consciousness, whereas in the earlier period ideas were assigned a reality outside and independent of man's existence. Nevertheless, modern idealism generally proposes suprahuman mental activity of some sort and ascribes independent reality to certain principles, such as creativity, a force for good, or an absolute truth. The subjective idealism of George Berkeley in the 18th cent. held that the apparently objective world has its existence in the consciousness of individuals. Immanuel Kant developed a critical or transcendental idealism in which the phenomenal world, constituted by the human understanding, stands opposed to a world of things-in-themselves. The post-Kantian German idealism of J. G. Fichte and Friedrich von Schelling, which culminated in the absolute or objective idealism of G. W. F. Hegel, began with a denial of the unknowable thing-in-itself, thereby enabling these philosophers to treat all reality as the creation of mind or spirit. Forms of post-Kantian idealism were developed in Germany by Arthur Schopenhauer and Hermann Lotze and in England by Samuel Coleridge; forms of post-Hegelian idealism were developed in England and France by T. H. Green, Victor Cousin, and C. B. Renouvier. More recent idealists include F. H. Bradley, Bernard Bosanquet, Josiah Royce, Benedetto Croce, and the neo-Kantians such as Ernst Cassirer and Hermann Cohen.


See J. H. Muirhead, The Platonic Tradition in Anglo-Saxon Philosophy (1931, repr. 1965); A. C. Ewing, ed., The Idealist Tradition (1957); G. A. Kelly, Idealism, Politics, and History (1969).
[/quote]

[size=1][color=red] Education is an ideal thing--it has to do with the mind, and from what I see, you see at as one of the best things ever--so much that it's a truth to you. Which is fine.

I mean, you can say you're not under some ideal when you're talking about education, but to me, you are. It's not that like that's bad either. More power to you.

Anyway, I need to go, dad's waiting to pick me up I'm sure. Sorry for how brevity this is.

So I think what Tony said basically.

But everyday I have to tell myself, "Why did I come to school?" and I have to say in response, "I came to learn." And so I will make it fun, even if it's not. It's better than wasting my time here.[/size][/color]

[Xyandar]

There are reasons for needing school lol. You need an education if you want a good job in the future. You go to school to meet friends. If you just stayed at home every day how would you find friends to hang out with??

On the OTHER hand I don't think we need ENGLISH after grade 8 because i am always at home typing on the computer all day and reading messages. i teach myself lol. who needs that crap that they teach you??:P

[Brasil]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Mitch [/i]
Exactly. Tony has it right there.

*smiles as well* Pt, you're going to tell me that when, say, you were in Kindergarten up to the end of High School, 12th grade, you loved every freaking second of it?

From what I've found, you used to be just as angsty as any teenager, and you've even told me something about you looking out a window during English class, or something--and not really caring.

We all hate school at some point. [/quote]

You are missing a very important distinction, Mitch.

Yes, there were some parts of school that I couldn't stand, but those parts were few and far between. My problem is not--as you misinterpreted, so don't play that "truth to me" crap, lol--somebody never goes through a bit of pain. That's not what I said or meant. You misinterpreted greatly. My point was, although it was pretty clear, was that ultimately, the individual has the power to make themselves deal appropriately with a situation. I criticize the initial poster because they are a moron and demonstrate no inclination to look for the positives of school in any small amount.

That's why I criticize. Not because you thought that I was relating being magically free of any upset mentality in school.

Teen-angst hit me in my Junior year. Only my Junior year. All the rest of my K-12 years were fun. That's the truth. You know it's the truth, because I don't lie.

[quote]And honestly...if metacognition is what I think it is. (Well, here's my thought: since metafiction is fiction that's knowing of itself, I'd bet that metacognition is thoughts that are knowing of themselves.) If metacognition is that, I think every single person thinks, and are knowing of what they're thinking.

Obviously, you can phase out other thoughts that are given to you--but it's also necessary to pay attention and think in order to learn something (even though you might not want to). To learn math, you have to think, and if you don't first allow yourself to think, well, then you're not going to learn.

Thinking is pretty much always metacognition..even if it's subconscious.[/quote]

Metacognition is the knowing about knowing. It is the [i]conscious[/i] application of self-awareness.

"If metacognition is that, I think every single person thinks, and are knowing of what they're thinking."

Do you honestly believe that? Are you serious? You've got to be kidding. You're trying to tell me that you are of the opinion that everyone is versed in metacognition? Are you nuts? While metacognition is [i]available[/i] to everyone, that doesn't mean everyone utilizes the technique.

To say that everyone knows that they're thinking is ludicrous, because to say that, one would be lying.

[quote]Anyway, yeah. We all hate school in some form, I don't want anyone to lie about that (even you, PT). There's classes you hate, classes that are bad because of the teacher you get..blah blah blah.

Why have I said you're more idealistic in your approaches to things..?[/quote]

I believe I've debunked your point previously. But if you weren't satisfied with previously, I'll do it again.

I know what needs to be done, Mitch. I see what needs to be done. If you think for a minute, or imply that I've said, that I'm going to change the world singlehandedly, you are a fool. I have no idea where you're getting that notion, because I [i]know[/i] I never said anything of the sort.

Are you accusing me of being an Idealist? Are you accusing me of living in a fantasy land where everything is exactly how I want it to be? Are you implying that I'm living in a removed state?

I disagree, and I am damn sure the majority of OB disagrees with you, too. Talk to anyone on here with whom I've discussed my teacher plans. They're the same damn plans I've discussed with you; the same ideas, the same procedures.

Everyone else says I'm going to be "a really, really terrific teacher." Not once did any of them say, "Gee, PT, your head is in the clouds. You're an Idealist."

And the description you posted...nice try. Idealism is the head in the clouds mentality. That definition is the heads in the cloud mentality, which I have certainly [i]not[/i] demonstrated. Again, I say, I know what needs to be done and will assist in the process.

Idealism is where someone is so removed from reality that they begin to sound ridiculous, and often spout wild accusations when they are met with dissonance...gee...where have we seen that before...

[quote]Education is an ideal thing--it has to do with the mind, and from what I see, you see at as one of the best things ever--so much that it's a truth to you. Which is fine.

I mean, you can say you're not under some ideal when you're talking about education, but to me, you are. It's not that like that's bad either. More power to you. [/quote]

Don't pull that "it's my opinion" crap, again. You're again resorting to it...not a good idea. Mitch, you have no applicable truth, lol. Yeah, you've gotten better since I've been here, but you're still not totally in reality and uh...the whole, "world is a disappointment" thing you spout occasionally, [i]that's Idealism[/i].

[quote]Anyway, I need to go, dad's waiting to pick me up I'm sure. Sorry for how brevity this is.[/quote]

Byebye.

EDIT:

[quote][i]Originally posted by Alastor[/i]
My point is why spend 12 years for [color=red]nothin[/color]. I mean you only need [color=red]basic addition and subtraction, adding and multiplication skill[/color] to be able to count your money. And [color=red]thats the only thing i[/color] find useful to count. Who needs science anyway? English after the 7th-8th grade you basically [color=red]know how to talk good enough[/color] so why the extra 4-5 years. And I know [color=red]I not the only person[/color] who is tired of getting up at 6 A.M to go to a stupid high school that I don't even care about.[/quote]

If you were trying to be sarcastic, it failed miserably because of your negative grammar, punctuation, and spelling.

If you were trying to prove a point, it failed miserably because of your negative grammar, punctuation, and spelling.

EDIT2: "Everyone," huh? Do you see me flubbing spelling, punctuation and grammar? Do you see James? What about Shinmaru? Charles? Tony? Sara? Dagger? AzureWolf?

I guess you just ignore things that weaken your inane logic and argument, eh?

[Purple Haze]

My point is why spend 12 years for nothin. I mean you only need basic addition and subtraction, adding and multiplication skill to be able to count your money. And thats the only thing i find useful to count. Who needs science anyway? English after the 7th-8th grade you basically know how to talk good enough so why the extra 4-5 years. And I know I not the only person who is tired of getting up at 6 A.M to go to a stupid high school that I don't even care about.



EDIT: The whole point is that I DON'T CARE!!! I hate school and everything about it. And I don't care about messing up when I type because everyone does.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alastor [/i]
[B]English after the 7th-8th grade you basically know how to talk good enough [/B][/QUOTE]

Apparenly you didn't get past those years, cause if you could talk GOOD ENOUGH, you'd know that it's supposed to be said WELL ENOUGH, not good enough. But hey, why do you need to know that when you can just look like an idiot and I can laugh at you.

You go to school so people like me, who are obviously smarter than you, don't laugh at you because you're a complete idiot.

[Dan Rugh]

Shouldn't it be "[i]speak[/i] well enough"...?

Well, people who think school is a waste of time just get on my nerves. Have fun being ignorant fot the rest of your life! :)

[amibasuki]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alastor [/i]
[B]My point is why spend 12 years for nothin. I mean you only need basic addition and subtraction, adding and multiplication skill to be able to count your money. [/b][/quote]
[FONT=arial]heh. obviously you know nothing about how money works in the real world if you think you can get by on basic elementary school math.[/font]
[quote][b]
English after the 7th-8th grade you basically know how to talk good enough so why the extra 4-5 years. [/b][/quote]
[FONT=arial]because obviously people like you still don't know how to write out a decent thought yet. there's a heck of a lot more to writing than just spelling and grammar, which you obviously haven't even learned yet.

but whatever. if you want to spend the rest of your life working at McDonald's because you were too lazy to finish out high school, then that's your deal.

I almost feel bad for you, PoisonTongue. I'd go insane if I had to work at school and listen to this nonsense everyday.[/FONT]

[Brasil]

Haha, thanks, Amibasuki. No worries.

The way I see it, I have always been destined to become a teacher. I've always had stage presence, interest in literature and writing, and generally, just a love of being around people.

That's why I dig education so much. Human interaction...being able to plant the seeds of something wonderful.

I tell ya, people accuse me of being an Idealist, but their minds are so damn closed that they have no idea what I'm talking about.

One of the most beautiful things in the world is the look on someone's face when they get what you're talking about, whether it's after 30 seconds, or after a 30-minute lecture.

Their face lights up, their eyes widen, their jaw drops...there's this look of joy.

Anyone who says...that can't exist, or it won't exist, or it doesn't exist, simply because those able to elicit that kind of response are so enthusiastic about it...really disappoint me greatly.

[Harry]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alastor [/i]
[B]My point is why spend 12 years for nothin. I mean you only need basic addition and subtraction, adding and multiplication skill to be able to count your money. And thats the only thing i find useful to count. Who needs science anyway? English after the 7th-8th grade you basically know how to talk good enough so why the extra 4-5 years. And I know I not the only person who is tired of getting up at 6 A.M to go to a stupid high school that I don't even care about.[/b][/quote]
Yah man I spoke english good enuff when I wos in 5 grade I mean why did I haf to go through anymore. I be countin fine an all.


[quote][b]EDIT: The whole point is that I DON'T CARE!!! I hate school and everything about it. And I don't care about messing up when I type because everyone does. [/B][/QUOTE]
You forgot "Rage against the machine!!!"

I seriously think schools need to be revamped though. All the way through highschool I was able to coast on through taking waste of time classes and I wasn't the only one. It might not be like that for all schools but I got all my required credits for high school half way through my junior year, and I didn't even go to summer school.

[Bio]

[font=tahoma][size=1]I imagine quite a few people laughed when they saw the thread title.

Yes, school is that wonderful place where you learn some completely irrelevent things such as hypotonuse, and more important things like unit rates.

I honestly thing that school is as boring as hell, but I still know that I'm getting something out of it, though my Language Arts teacher could very well be from the Cretacious Period.

I don't sense any realistic thoughts forming in the heads of the people who are saying: "Scool is stopid! I dont need anythin else to learn!"

Listen, as harsh as the "real world" may sound, you need more than addition and subtraction to function. I notice that you even forgot multiplecation and division as well. Please don't tell me that you don't need those. Also, many formulas are more relevant than you may think. Ask your teacher what they could help you with career-wise, and I'm sure that you'll get an answer from them. (for most formulas anyway)

For Language Arts... Well, I think that's pretty self-explanitory, and people have already been called on it.

Science. Yes, my favorite subject. Don't say: "Yea, well I don't wanna be a scientist!" Because even if you never do anything in that field, it's quite nice to have a well-rounded understanding of things. I hear colleges like that too.

Social Studies. On the front of our binders, our teacher gave us a color-coded insert. It says: "If you don't know history, you don't know anything. You're a leaf that doesn't know its part of the tree."

That's my two cents.[/font][/size]

[Guest cloricus]

School = Education = Money; Simple as that.