Mind over matter?

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[COLOR=blue]Do you think it will be possible someday to be able to communicate by thoughtspeak? It would be like using the phone, except you won't get a phone bill, and distance won't matter. Or, it could be technology induced, and you could get a bill of some kind...

Or do you think it is physically impossible, no matter how we could evolve, or what contraption we can try to devise?

*Imagines a chatroom type thing with thoughtspeak* [/COLOR]

[Guest Crimson Spider]

For humans alone? No. WAY to complicated to get into.

You see, our brains are like the roots of a plant. They never grow the same way. Experiences in life, aswell as how you formed when you were still a baby cause these neurons to change route, fix eachother, and modify themselves for whatever reason. Literally... like the roots of a plant. Since our brain is freakily better than any other brain in the world, then these "roots" got a whole lotta different ways to hook up.

That, and there are many other reasons why the ability to think thoughts and have another here them are physics-breaking.

Technologically? They MIGHT figure something out, but translating ones thoughts would be difficult since, once again, ever brain is constructed differently. They would have th be custom made or something.

But they have made a machine that they hook to a monkey that when the monkey thinks about moving the mechanical arm it's hooked up to, it does.

[Swordsaint]

We could get there eventually. Anythings possible in my mind. Heck we could end up being able to do things in Dbz! Is it likely? No, not really, but still we gots a shot at it.

I think being able to talk to each other telapathically over a good distance would be dertermined by how strong your mind/ability is. Ya know, it'd be easier to speak to someone a foot away rather than a continent away.

I dunno, maybe it won't be dertemined like that. but that's the only certain thing about the future, the uncertainty.

[DeathBug]

[color=indigo][size=1][font=century]Hmmm....well, the human mind conducts thoughts as electric waves, and electric waves can be broadcast and recieved. So, theoretically, it's possible.

However, that doesn't mean it's likely. Quite frankly, human beings can barely communicate with their mouths, let alone their minds.[/color][/size][/font]

[Guest Crimson Spider]

Fact: The human brain produces 10 watts, and emits a 2 volt energy wave.

Fact: The brain can't recieve these electric waves from outside sources. I'll explain why.

Little physics on radiation: the way we listen to radio is the emission of a certain frequency of radiation [b]with a message encoded on it[/b]. It is possible to emit a radio-wave with no message. Similar to how you can encode a message on a laser.

It isn't an electrical wave that the brain runs it's thoughts off of. It's actually an electrical/chemical cause and effect response to stimulants. It runs an electrical signal through the neuron, and is transfered [b]chemically[/b] from one neuron to the other. Not electrically.

You see, your brain isn't actually connected to itself. Although it does handle as if it were a single object, there is a little space between each neuron that processes thought. The chemical response isn't actually transfering the electricity, since the signal ends at the end of the neuron. It tells the other neuron what signal to send.

You can send all the electrical, magnetic, ultraviolet, gamma, and radiowaves you want towards your head, but you won't pick anything up since it is actually a radiation and not actual electricity, thus your brain doesn't use chemicals to stimulate the other neurons, and you don't get anything out of it. I mean, if I had it the way I wanted I would set my brain to pick up my favorite radio-station since it's signal is bombarding my body 24/7.

So the device that which we would have to either place somewhere like on our temples, would have to take the radiowave, transfer the encoded signal into electricity formatted for the brain using it, then transfer that to the neurons in the propper order, time, and amount, then the brain would work the rest from there.

EDIT: Dijano: that once in some place somewhere (mind my uncertainty) they actually developed a handless compy?... sort of? You see, they made a website that had 2 squares flashing at different speeds that signaled forward and back. They hooked some guy up to it (through the temples), and he could actually go back and fourth on the website by just looking at the squares for a certain amount of time.

Whether this was the eyes or the brain I'm not sure.

You know what would be funny? If they made this, and someone's actually got stuck on. Every thought he had for the next 24 hours would be recorded and sent to the masses...

[size=1]Man this soap opera is good.... oh![/size]

[Bio]

[font=tahoma][size=1]But suppose that there was a mutation, an evolution that allowed the brain to recieve these waves, and convert them into tangible information?

I think it could be quite possible if there were such a mutation. Otherwise we'd need a machine.[/size][/font]

[Shinken]

As far as simply sending and receiving messages through brainpower, let's just look at Metal Gear Solid 2. Nanomachines are the answer, in my opinion. Of course, there are many complications, but who am I to stand in the way of progress? ^^x

As for telepathy, I think it's possible. The human mind is a powerful thing, and we don't use as much of our brains as we would like to think.

[Katana]

In the famous words of some dead person whom I don't know their name: "Anything is possible."
And that applies to everything on this planet, in this galaxy, in this universe (and so on and so forth). Mutations are likely to occur sooner or later, no matter how you look at it, and one of those mutations could be the ability to kythe. You can never overlook possibilities like that.
People who are close (usually friends, not family relations) have experinced moments where they can communicate telepathicly. I've done that with my friend where we were staring out bus windows, and she went, "Yeah, I know what you mean" after I thought about how bad the field trip was. And she was talking to me, not somebody else. (Then we laughed like nuts)
Also, there's the thing where twins can kythe with each other. That's happened more than one, two, or three times, and almost everybody has heard of it. I know a pair of twins that are my friends. One's a girl and one's a boy, which is really different since most twins that can communicate telepathicly are the same gender. The girl (Amy) told me that one time, when she and Mark (her twin) were at home one time, she turned to him and said, "No, I don't want to! Will you stop asking?" And Mark was about to ask if she wanted to play a videogame.
So, Mr. Crimson Spider, these things have happened before and will most certainly happen again, whether it be between twins or friends.
My theory is that you might be able to kythe with people who are having the same type of emotion or thinking pattern as you, connecting your minds until one thought or emotion differs from one another.
You know, I'm studying genetics in science right now....

[Milo]

Human beings have the capacity to perform amazing things. For example, everyone knows we only use ten percent of our brains. Well, if we could unlock more of our brain potential, maybe we'd be capable of all kinds of things. ESP, telekenesis, even... telepathy.

Pretty cool stuff. Y'know, there are books out there on how to improve your natural telepathic skills. Are we on our way? Who knows?

[outlawstar69]

Didn't they prove that theory was not true? ... I don't think that we could ever normally devolop that ability to what we see in the movies and such... but with genetic engineering and nano machines we could maybe find a way to alter our auditory nerves so that communication could be possible, as a recieveing end... I'm not sure about sending messages though.

[Milo]

[QUOTE]Didn't they prove that theory was not true? ... I don't think that we could ever normally devolop that ability to what we see in the movies and such... [/QUOTE]

I don't know. Who's they??

Yeah, I don't think many could develop their abilities like those in the movies. You're talking about Carrie, or something?

Oh, yeah, I'm sure people have these abilities, of course. Thing is, they're so afraid to have pig's blood spilled on them that they hide it from the world. :whoops:

[James]

[color=#707875]In reference to the 10% thing...I don't know where it came from, but it's a number that people always like to use when talking about telepathy and stuff. I haven't seen any scientific basis for it though.

Bear in mind that a certain percentage of your brain is used for conscious thought, but that your brain also controls unconscious thought, motor functions, etc etc. In other words, you might only use 10% of your brain for conscious thinking, but you might use the other 90% for the millions of other biological processes in the body. That's [i]if[/i] the 10% claim is true though. And I doubt that it is.

As far as thoughtspeak goes, I think it's [i]possible[/i]. We know that the brain transmits information via electronic impulses. And, presuming that you both fully understood the processes [i]and[/i] that you could engineer nanomachines small enough to take advantage of those processes, yeah, I think it could be done.

But there are two big problems, aside from the whole question of actually taking data and interpreting it.

Firstly, you'd have to work out a way to transmit that information. This is why I think that telepathy is a pretty silly idea; telepathy implies that one person's brain is communicating with another person's brain, over whatever distance. But nobody can explain [i]how[/i] that occurs -- how the electronic impulses of a brain can be transmitted to another brain and received. And then there's the whole question of interference and everything. It doesn't sound very feasable to me.

But if you could mechanically capture that information and transmit it, perhaps that might work. Who knows. We're obviously talking about incredibly advanced technology (and incredibly advanced knowledge of the human brain).

I have an even more important question for you though.

What happens if you're in a chatroom and a naughty thought crosses your mind? How would the technology know [i]not[/i] to transmit that? And how could you control what thoughts are transmitted and what aren't?

I mean, not that I think of dirty thoughts in chatrooms...but you know...it [i]could[/i] happen. Ahem. ...I blame Mimmi's pants stealing. Seriously. >_<[/color]

[Mimmsicle]

[COLOR=darkred]I won't get into the debate about whether or not this is possible, since many things have been deemed unreachable in the past and we've gone beyond it regardless.

However, personally I would never want to be hooked up to any kind of device, nor would I care to exchange what goes on in my brain [i]directly[/i] with another persons brain.

Like James pointed out, it would take some serious engineering skills [size=1](and possible self control)[/size] to sort out what is transmitted and not.
And furthermore, it's not just [i]one[/i] thought that crosses your mind when you think about something. There's usually an erray of thoughts, connected to that question/situation that you're reacting to.

When you're speaking to somene, or typing for that matter, you automatically choose what to put out there. It's really not that hard. [size=1](unless you're born with a foot in your mouth, but that's a tangent)[/size]

Imagine having to more [b]activly[/b] push those thoughts away, to make sure you control the conversation ? To contantly be on guard, as to not let a mental sigh crack the eardrums of the one you are talking to ?
Surely that would discourage communication, rather than make it easier ?

In my humble,[i] innocent[/i] opinion ~_^

- Mimmi[/COLOR]

[Guest Crimson Spider]

The 10% thing came from early studies. What the early sceintists did was "Stimulate" (coughelectricutecough) a part of the brain and look for a response from the rest of the body i.e. a finger twitching. Only 10% of the brain gave a response when "Stimulated" so they eagerly jumped to conclusions and said that was the only part of the brain you used, [b]possibly[/b] to justify the ability to use mysterious powers.

That part was what controlled motor function and some touch. It takes 30% of your brain at constant work to just see.


You see, storing information really isn't that hard for our brain. Accessing it isn't that hard. It's the processing of the constant stream of stimuless that comes in from our 5 senses being constantly bombarded that takes up most of the activity.

EDIT: Please define "Kythe". My sources have lead me no connection to psychic abilities of any kind.

[Godelsensei]

Would you really *want* this to happen? Okay, I don't mean to be an anal bastard, but think about it. Your mind, in reality, no matter what set of beliefs you follow, is a private thing.

That said, I will give you that we probably could, perhaps not too far into the future. But, unless we were able to place some sort of filter within our own brains, in order to prevent them from transmitting thoughts that we generally would not be comfortable sharing with others, this would not be a good thing.
You can't completely control where your mind wanders, no matter how hard you try. After all: trying not to think of something is a contradiction in itself. What if you happened to think something that you, under no circumstances, would want the person you're "talking" to to know?

What would happen to all those contemptuous, sexual, homocidal, spiteful, hateful and generally embarrassing thoughts we go through each day without meaning to?

But, if we were able to create a device that would only transmit thoughts we actually "thought out", meaning intentionally projected, using words and our "mind's ear", if you'll have it... What is there to say but, "Now that's what I call communication!"


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