Genre Searching: Punk & Emo

[Lilt]

[color=purple][size=1]Calling all punk and emo fans. I'm currently searching for bands from either of these genres. So far I've only picked up Good Charlotte. They're pretty good, but I'd like to hear more punk rock music. So do you guys have any suggestions? Thanks.[/size]

[b]~S.A.~ :angel:[/b][/color]

[Kinetic]

[font=Verdana][size=2][color=slategray]Good Charlotte isn't punk ~_^ They're what I like to call Modern Pop. Anyhow, Emo isn't necessarily a genre, but any style of music singing about love issues and things like that. My friends all hate it, but I really don't mind. They're talking about things like Coldplay (If I'm getting it right).[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2][color=#708090]Anyway, if you want some really good Punk bands, I would search for:[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2][color=#708090]Deviates[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=2][color=#708090]Modest Mouse[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=2][color=#708090]Dead Kennedies[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=2][color=#708090]Misfits[/color][/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=2][color=#708090]Green Day and Offspring (although many consider them to not be Punk anymore)[/color][/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=2][color=#708090]The names are eluding me right now, but those should do for now. All great bands.[/color][/size][/font]

[Semjaza]

I don't know that I'm much of a punk fan, but I can name off some bands I listen to. I avoid the hardcore and emo genres on average, but there are people here who can fill that gap. Since you've only named Good Charlotte, I don't know how much you'll like the bands I'm interested in. There's quite a difference. If anyhing, you'd be more into mall-punk or pop-punk... but hell, you never know. My first real exposure to anything to do with "punk" was thanks to a girl who played The Ataris, Decendents, Millencolin, Propaghandi, NOFX, Agnostic Front and a few random others for me. You can go anywhere once you start. Most of the stuff she tried on me I didn't like and I still don't care for. I've moved onto things that fit me a bit better.

Bad Religion - They've been around over twenty years for a reason. You can't really go wrong with any of their releases over the years. A few of them are being remastered and reissued with bonus tracks, so you might want to keep an eye out. I recommend Suffer, Gray Race and Stranger Than Fiction personally. There's a political edge to a lot of their stuff, but it doesn't get too specific... remains relevent even years later heh.

Apocalypse Hoboken - A local Chicago band who managed to make it onto Kung Fu Records before they finally split up. Kung Fu is ran by The Vandals and had bands such as The Ataris and Blink182 back before they got big. I always found that strange considering how eccentric The Vandals are...

Anyway, Apocalypse Hoboken is hard to describe and they're definitely not for everyone. I'm under the impression you might be more into mall-punk or pop-punk, but I'm just going by the one band you named. Apocalypse Hoboken is nothing like that, I'll tell you that much. My favorite punk band, personally.

Misfits - They call themselves "horror punk", although at times they really don't even sound like most punk bands musically. They sing a lot of songs about horror movies and weird things like that. One of my favorite bands. They've had two main singers... Glenn Danzig and Michael Graves, they're both worth listening to since you might be into one more than the other. I love them both, honestly.

Millencolin - I don't know what the general opinion on these guys is, but they're really damn good. Their older material is great, but their last release, "Home From Home", is amazingly good. I can't think of a single bad track on it. It's more of a mix of genres, but they didn't stray far from their roots. Of the bands I've mentioned so far, I think this is the one you are most likely to be interested in.

AFI - I'm not too big on their major label debut, "Sing the Sorrow", but I love the older materal overall. I've always been big on "The Art of Drowning" myself.

Voodoo Glow Skulls - They're ska, which isn't something you asked for... but I'm giving it a shot. They're my favorite ska band and I think pretty underrated. They have a great sound going for themselves and I always enjoy the songs they play in Spanish.

Blood Brothers - One of the few hardcore bands I've listened to that I've actually enjoyed. If you're remotely interested in what is basically very aggressive punk with a vocalist that screams a lot... this is a good place to start.

I listen to a bunch of post-punk bands, but they're probably not worth mentioning here. I doubt most people into punk itself care about post-punk lol. Stuff like the Butthole Surfers, Sonic Youth, Pavement, Pixies, Fugazi, Modest Mouse and The Flaming Lips (well, to an extent -- Yoshimi threw that off quite a bit) fit in there.

[amibasuki]

[QUOTE=Kinetic][font=Verdana][size=2][color=slategray]Good Charlotte isn't punk ~_^ They're what I like to call Modern Pop. Anyhow, Emo isn't necessarily a genre, but any style of music singing about love issues and things like that. My friends all hate it, but I really don't mind. They're talking about things like Coldplay (If I'm getting it right).[/color][/size][/font]
[/QUOTE][font=Arial][size=3]......0_o' Coldplay is nothing like emo. lots of different bands sing about love or whatnot, but it doesn't make them emo, lol.......lol. [size=1]Simple Plan bites.[/size][/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=3]I've always been under the impression that emo was obnoxious punk with lyrics talking about how they missed their girlfriends and whined that their parents are unfair and horrible *cough*Simple Plan*cough*. but that information came from rather biased people, so don't listen to me. [size=1]Simple Plan bites.[/size][/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=3]so yeah, recommendations. .... if you want punk music that doesn't sound too pop-y, you could try MXPX. and from what I've heard of 'em, the Warped Tour Compilations are good, too. just get a track list of one of those things, listen to bits of each of the bands, and see what you like from there. that's one way to namedrop, anyway. [size=1]Simple Plan[/size] [size=1]bites.[/size][/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=1]why? here's just [URL=http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/simpleplan/godmusthateme.html]one specific example[/URL] of why they irk me.[/size][/font]

[OlgaTheDwarf]

[quote name='Semjaza Azazel']I avoid the hardcore and emo genres on average, but there are people here who can fill that gap.[/quote]

That's where I come in. Though, I won't go to deep into the hardcore genre seeing as you didn't ask for it.

Although I dislike the term "emo", I do however listen to quite a few bands that are lsted as emo bands. I also do like a few "post-punk" bands, so I'll mention them also.

[b]Further Seems Forever[/b]:

Chris Carraba (Dashboard Confessional) used to be the lead of this band, thankfully he wasn't for there second album, but they just broke up, so I can't really say that they are better off now, but they were. Anyway, check out this band they're really good.

[b]Sunny Day Real Estate[/b]:

This band is considered to be the godfathers of emo. Yes, emo existed before them, but no one brought it to the masses before this band came on the scene. The lead singer, Jeremy Enigk, has an amazing voice. They are one of my all time favourites.

[b]Coheed and Cambria[/b]:

I really wouldn't consider this band "emo", but many do, so I list them. Their 2 CDs under the name Coheed and Cambria ( it's rumored they once were a band called [b]Shabutie[/b]), are amazing works, with great muscianship and epic (I know, I'm being a description whore) songwritting skills. So if you like good music, check them out.

[b]Mae[/b]:

Mae is an extremely poppy band, but they are still a great band. One of their songs, [i]Summertime[/i], is just one of those songs, that you can repeat over, and over, and over again. They also are said to have a great live performance, so if you get a chance to see them live, you may want to. They're going to be on the warped tour this summer so that shouldn't be to hard to find.

[b]mewithoutYOU[/b]:

Like Semjaza said, no one will probably care about this band, but just in case you want to check out something "post-punk", I would recomend these guys. They are also another favourite of mine.

[b]The Fall of Troy[/b]:

Semjaza mentioned the Blood Brothers, if you have any interest in that band whatsoever, you really should check out TFOT. In fact I'm so impressed by this band I think I'll devot an entire thread to them... sometime. Anyway, you can check out some of there stuff via the link in my signature.
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And those are really just a few of the many bands out there, but that's all I'll do now.

[Lilt]

[color=purple][size=1]Thanks, everyone. These bands should keep me busy for a little while, (but I'm not saying you can't suggest anymore.) I know I only mentioned Good Charlotte, but that's because that's the only punk band I thought I had. (My friend told me they were punk, so I picked them up.) I like them and all, but I'm just trying to find more music that I might like, especially now that I know I don't actually own any punk msic. So were they ever a punk band to begin with? Or do they just try to dress punkish? Also, I'm really confused right now. Is emo an actual genre or not? :confused: I've heard that some people say it is a genre, and that some bands are emo bands. (a friend of mine mentioned the names, Jets to Brazil and Grandaddy. Anybody heard of them? Are they emo bands?) But other people told me that emo is just songs like the ones Good Charlotte sings. So which is it? :confused:[/size]

[b]~S.A.~[/b][/color] :angel:

[Semjaza]

Emo is confusing because some people try to apply any mellow, emotional band to the genre. Emo is short for "emotional" and that by itself is rather vague sounding. As amibasuki said, you're not emo just because you sing about lovey type stuff. I wouldn't consider Good Charlotte to be emo. I'd consider them to be more of a mall punk band, honestly.

There's different types of emo too. The lowkey stuff that most people think of and then the more aggressive, screamy stuff. Emo, emocore, hardcore emo, post-emo... and then getting into some indie bands. There's a lot out there.

Fugazi is sometimes called emocore, although I think of them as post-punk. There's a mix in their sound. Sunny Day Real Estate is one of the bigger emo bands, already mentioned by Olga. I know several people who think they're basically the height of it. There's also some random indie-ish bands like Death Cab for Cutie, Built to Spill and Bright Eyes that could probably fit in there. Maybe lol.

There's of course the poppy versions of this too, which is what you're most likely to hear on the radio or MTV currently. Same with poppy punk.

I don't really care for emo in general though, so that's about all I can say about it heh.

[Invader_Zim523]

Yeah,good Charlette isn't punk,niether is Simple Plan. heres some that I thought of
sex pistols
misfits
rancid
afi
there are more but I'm drawing a mind blank,everyone else has really told you all of them anyways.

[JC Goodwin]

Pretty much every body has covered the punk bands but for the emo i suggest these bands.

Funeral For A Friend
Adema
Finch
InMe
Trapt
Lostprophets (Thats Their New Album Start Something)

My friend loves emo and emo is just emotional punk rock. NO one should get me wrong for like emo cause i dont but i like funeral for a friend. I think they have a lot of potentail. Also try Blink 182.

[Lilt]

[color=purple][size=1]Thanks again for all of the help. Some of my friends already have some of the cds mentioned, (like Modest Mouse,) so I think I'll just borrow some cds from them and buy the others that they don't have. I just have one more question for you guys. Are punk and emo related in anyway? Is emo really, "emotianl punk rock" like Goodwin says it is?[/size]

[b]~S.A.~[/b] :angel:[/color]

[AnonymousSource]

Ya, I don't consider emo a derrogatory(sp?) term, I tend to enjoy a little emo in my life here and there.

For bands unmentioned... There's the All American Rejects (suprisingly unmentioned), Boxcar Racer (I think...), Taking Back Sunday... maybe...

I'm no genious, but I have a few emo fans for band members... so I hear a little here and there.

[GreatDeitylink]

You might also want to try Something Corporate, Red Animal War, Lewis Cross My Heart for emo. I'm surprised no one said Minor Threat. They are kinda of old, but their music is pretty good. I'm not sure, but The Used might be considered emo? Also for punk try The Casualties. I don't think you should try Blink-182's new cd becuase their older stuff (like Dude Ranch) is a bit more punk. The best advice for getting the music you want is just to listen to the radio.

[wrist cutter]

My head is going to explode from all the genres mentioned in this thread.

[Haze]

Heehee. I'm very glad I found this thread. It's conversion time. ^__~ Just kiddin'. There are A LOT of bands in here that I agree with, but there are a few I don't. Honestly, if you want some good stuff, follow what Olga and Semjazza said. I would go for Blood Brothers, Further Seems Forever (*cries at teh broken-up-ness*), mewithoutYOU, Modest Mouse, Coheed and Cambria, AFI, and various others. If you are trying to get deeper into punk/emo stuff, I would avoid all the mainstream stuff such as All American Rejects, Simple Plan (not punk), Good Charlotte (not even close to punk), Dashboard Confessional (unless you go for the old stuff. His cover of Weezer's "Jamie" rocked.), or Minor Threat (*shudder*).

Some stuff I might recommend are the following: (Please note that I will probably give you the names of quite a few bands that are not punk, but something else. They might just fit with you and your style. Don't knock 'em till you try 'em. ^__^)

[b]Rooney: [/b]I completely contridict myself here. They are simi-mainstream, but good none-the-less. The are kind of tech-ed out, but still have catchy songs and good music.

[b]The Get Up Kids: [/b]An oldie, but a goodie. The Get Up Kids were probably the first indie-punk band I got into. Well....I don't know what to classify them as. I just know that I like them. They are catchy in an odd sort of way. Their singer isn't really all that on pitch. ^__^ But he still rocks.

[b]Boys Night Out:[/b] These guys are more hardcore. They are really good though. But if you are female...which I will assume you are... don't pay attention to the lyrics. It's all kind of love-dovey...in a hardcore way. BUt he mainly talks about killing/harming all the various women he loves at the time. Kind of odd really...

[b]Against Me: [/b]In my opinion, the original punk band. They NEVER sing about girls, love, and all that mess. Just shows, good times, and life. I love them. They are really easy to listen, plus you get a little message thrown in there.

[b]Glassjaw: [/b]Ahhh....Glassjaw. How pretty. A bit of singing here. A touch of screaming there. And you get the lovely-ness that is Glassjaw.

[b]Glasseater:[/b] Not a lot of people have heard of these guys. I think they are from South Carolina. Could be wrong. But they have these crazy guitar songs. THey have just an ity-bity bit of screaming. But they also have sing-a-longs. Not to mention they are amazing live. ^^

[b]Auto Pilot Off: [/b]I've only heard a little bit from these guys, but from what my brother says, they rock. The lead singer has a very punk sounding voice.

[b]The Movie Life: [/b]I know even littler (is that a word?) about these guys. I have heard 2 songs. But I did love those 2 songs. Once again, my brother says they rock. He listens to every single band in the whole wide world. Crazy, huh?

[b]Moving Units:[/b] Now these guys, I know. They are really really really really really really good. They do have a some tech in them though. But it only adds to the greatness. Their vocals are really smooth. It's just this voice I could listen to all day long. I particurly like it when the guy goes WAY up high. It's insane, yet still sounds good.

[b]Hot Hot Heat:[/b] I'm surprised no one mention them. They are simi-punk. I can't really classify bands all that well. But they have 3 or 4 CD's that are all really good. They have been around for a while now.


I'm sorry that my post doesn't have quite the details that Semjazza's does, but then...whose posts are ever as good as his? Not mine, that's for sure. I usually hear a band, then d/l some of their stuff, then I say "OOOh OOOH goooood stuff." And I tell people about them. I am really picky about my music so I think all of these guys are pretty good. I hope you at least try a few of them.

[Lilt]

[color=purple][size=1]Thanks, Haze. I was just about to ask which of this stuff is mainstream, and what isn't. But why should I stay away from Simple Plan and those other groups? Are they at all like Good Charlotte? I have plenty of punk and emo bands to keep me happy for a while, but I might check those bands out as well, even if they are mainstream. (I'm not too particular, but usually when I pick up a new mainstream band, people always call me a poser.) And yes, I am female. Boys Night Out sounds pretty messed up, but if you say they're good, I might check them out. I don't usually pay attention to lyrics anyway, unless they really stand out.[/size]

[b]~S.A.~[/b] :angel:[/color]

[MarkM]

Two very good bands are Yellowcard and Taking Back Sunday. I highly recoment that you give them a look.

-Mark

[Guest xbloodfightx]

[b] SORRY IF I SOUND LIKE A GENRE IDIOT, BUT I KNOW MY MUSIC[/b]

I really don't understand. Even the moderators don't know what they are talking about. Emo died before the 80's or 90's [I don't remember]. So I doubt anyone knows any emo bands.

No one mentioned any punk bands either[besides the Misfits, but they are really weird to classify, I just call them horor punk]. You've all listed this new school crap bands. Punk bands do not talk about girls, crying, or any of that crap. They talk about politics, partying[mostly just the casualties], drinking, and anti-religion. If most people listened to actual punk, they wouldn't like it. For old school stuff listen to Defiance, they are street punk. Listen to bands on punkcore records, they are punk basically. Listen to Toxic Narcotic too, they are good.

Silent Angel, just because they've got the looks [GC] doesn't mean they are punk. Punk is a fashion scene, most people are dumb and go by looks and not if they know what they are doing. Tell your friend that they are sadly misinformed and need to read up on stuff. Try a site called Punk77, it's a good place to start and learn all about it.

Listen to some old school hardcore [Ten Yard Fight, Slapshot, Better Than A Thousand, and a bunch more] because that music sounds really similar to hardcore punk.

[AniSmith]

I dont like Good Charlet at all, they aint my type. But if you really want punk you have to listen to The Cure *Great Band* and maybe some DK, or stuff like that, but as for the Good Charlets and Simple Plans, i would just simply run away. . .hey maybe you would like J-Rock? *Dir En Grey, maybe?? Porno Graffity* HEY, The Pillows are kinda punk, and they A-R-E azim!!

And if not and only want punk, then you might like bands like Hot Hot Heat, they're okay, but not TOO great, they do have bad lyrics thou.

[Lilt]

[color=purple]Thanks, Bloodfight for the advice. If that's true what you say, then I think I'd rather just stay in my nice, safe [/color][color=pink][b]Pseudo-punk Bubble.[/b][/color] :nervous: [color=purple]Naw, I'm just kidding. I'll check out some of that hardcore stuff too. So if emo died, then what would you call all of these bands that they've mentioned? And what were the old emo bands like? Do you know about any of them? And what in the world is [b]J-rock[/b]? :confused:

[b]~S.A.~[/b] :angel:[/color]

[Semjaza]

[QUOTE=xbloodfightx]I really don't understand. Even the moderators don't know what they are talking about. Emo died before the 80's or 90's [I don't remember]. So I doubt anyone knows any emo bands.

No one mentioned any punk bands either[besides the Misfits, but they are really weird to classify, I just call them horor punk]. You've all listed this new school crap bands. Punk bands do not talk about girls, crying, or any of that crap. They talk about politics, partying[mostly just the casualties], drinking, and anti-religion. If most people listened to actual punk, they wouldn't like it. For old school stuff listen to Defiance, they are street punk. Listen to bands on punkcore records, they are punk basically. Listen to Toxic Narcotic too, they are good.[/QUOTE]

The Misfits call [I]themselves [/I]horror punk and I said that in the first place. You're not breaking any news here lol. It comes off like you invented the term or something. I think I'm the only mod who posted in here, but I'm certainly not infallible heh. Anyway...

You're confusing the punk [I]ideal [/I]with punk as a [I]sound[/I]. There's a BIG difference. In fact, I think we got into this with your old username, honestly lol.

Genres evolve and the world isn't what it was 20 or 30 years ago. You're claiming the subject matter is all that defines the genre and that really just isn't the case anymore (unlike its roots, perhaps). The stuff you've listed goes more along the ideal of punk as a thought process rather than the sound itself, and while there are obviously still groups that go with this... many just no longer do.

Rock has changed. R&B has changed. Electronica has changed. Punk has changed. It all evolves according to the current climate around it. It can't be stuck according to the ideal thought it was originally founded on decades prior to now (especially when random people always name Sex Pistols in these threads -- they're just as manufactured as anything nowadays). Again, the ideal and the sound have become seperate entities over time, although they obviously intertwine with eachother depending on the situation and there are bands that still apply themselves completely to that ideal.

If you want to stick with the simply ideal, punk is about rebellion at its core. That doesn't necessarily have to include [i]any[/i] of the types of writing subjects you've mentioned. It's a pretty broad subject... and while obviously not all bands that can be placed into the "punk" genre go for that subject matter, it doesn't mean much for the actual sound itself. You could just call a lot of the newer stuff "punk revival", "ska revival" or "emo revival"... but they all still contain those keywords: punk, ska and emo. I think this all just reiterates my point. You also have the issue of mixed genres that comes up as well.

I fail to see how bands like Apocalypse Hoboken or Bad Religion really sing about the stuff you claim all bands mentioned here do anyway. Most of AH's songs are about drugs, social issues, drinking and having sex when they shouldn't be. That's pretty comparable to whining about girls and emotional feelings? lol Obviously you have little experience with them, if any.

If you want to think of your genres in that way, be my guest. It's certainly not the only approach to it and I don't feel I'm any less right than you may be on the subject. If things were that cut and dry, no one would ever have discussions over what bands were what genre in the first place. Obviously that's not the case. Unfortunately, ignoring any evolutions (beneficial or otherwise) to a genre doesn't make them just go away. We can add all the little sub-genre descriptors on them that we want to and it's still the same result in the end. Things change. I'm not a genre whore and the idea that what defines a genre completely has to be that rigid to be included in any form seems ridiculous to me.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not arguing that forms of punk that follow that idea somehow are incorrect in doing so. If you want to consider that stuff "real punk" (and I suppose you could legitimately say that) and listen to that exclusively, that's fine with me. I wouldn't argue that most people wouldn't like it either, because most definitely wouldn't. My point is simply that the genre itself just is no longer defined by that alone.

This reminds me of your comments in the metal thread where you said what amounted to the idea that older metal sucks and newer metal is great. Obviously not everyone would agree with you on that. Maybe some people feel the same way about what some versions of punk as a [i]sound[/i] have become? Surely metal has changed and evolved into something different in the past few decades as well (plus all the little sub-genres involved in that too). Isn't this comparable? I think it is, personally. Maybe some people consider the metal you listen to "new school crap"? Does that make it any less fitting for the genre in terms of sound? No, not really. To some closed minded people stuck in the 70s and 80s perhaps, but that's about it.

In any case, I'm not going to go any farther and debase this into some lame "true punk" debate. I wash my hands of this crap lol.

[Guest lavalamp]

For the person who brought up J-ROCK: ugh.

Anyway, "J-ROCK" is just a vague term to describe Japanese rock music. If you're going to even bother with the suggestion, I recommend d.p.s. They've been around since 1992 and are largely unknown by overseas fans. Very upbeat if not bland punk music. They're amazing live and are easily liked by any fan of domestic punk bands, of old or new.

Last I heard of them was in like 2000, though.

[amibasuki]

[QUOTE=Silent Angel][color=purple][size=1]I was just about to ask which of this stuff is mainstream, and what isn't. But why should I stay away from Simple Plan and those other groups? Are they at all like Good Charlotte? I have plenty of punk and emo bands to keep me happy for a while, but I might check those bands out as well, even if they are mainstream. (I'm not too particular, but usually when I pick up a new mainstream band, people always call me a poser.) [/size]
[/color][/QUOTE][font=Arial][size=3]I don't dislike certain groups/bands just because they're considered mainstream. Simple Plan just rubs me the wrong way, badly. their lyrics alone are a major turn-off. nothing but a bunch of adults (or near adults, I don't know how old they are :rolleyes: ) whining like children that their lives are so horrible. sure, if they wrote their songs like that to try to relate to 'angsty' preteens who think they're lives are so 'rough' because nothing goes how they want it to, then whatever. that type of thing just doesn't appeal to me is all. if you want specific examples,[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=3][font=Verdana][size=1]I'm just a kid and life is a nightmare
I'm just a kid, I know that its not fair
Nobody cares, cause I'm alone and the world is
Having more fun than me
Tonight...[/size][/font][/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=3]I feel so bad for them. really. ....[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=3][font=Verdana][size=1]Last night I just wanted to have fun[/size][/font][/size][/font][font=Arial][size=3][font=Verdana][size=1][i]
To go out with my friends
I took my dad's car
I never thought he would find out
But I crashed in a wall
Man I'm dead
I guess it's no use
I'm screwing up ever little thing I ever try to do
I was born to lose
Yeah yeah yeah yeah[/i][/size][/font][/size][/font][font=Arial][size=3][font=Verdana][size=1][i]

[font=Arial][size=3]well yeah, if he does something stupid like that, then he deserves to get screwed over. throw a pity party in the mean time.[/size][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=1][font=Tahoma]Last night I had to study for this test[/font]
I forgot man I'm dead
And now my brain is bursting out of my head
I can't think I can't breathe
Once again
I guess it's no use
I'm screwing up every little thing I ever try to do
I'm born to lose
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=3]like man, you [i]are[/i] dead, man. geez. great lyrics.[/size][/font][font=Verdana][size=1]

God Must hate me
He cursed me for eternity
God Must hate me
Maybe you should pray for me
I'm breaking down and you can't save me
I'm stuck in Hell and
I wanna go home

So what in the world am I supposed to do?
I never did anything to you
So can't you find something else to do?
[/size][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=1][font=Arial][size=3]yep, it's God's fault he tried taking off with his dad's car and didn't study for that big-deal test.[/size][/font][/size][/font][font=Verdana][size=1][i]

[font=Arial][size=3]besides the awesome lyrics, the music's nothing special either, in my opinion. one of my younger sisters has that CD, so I've heard it before. it's not worth any fifteen odd dollars of mine, I'll tell you that.[/size][/font][/i][/size][/font][/i][/size][/font][/size][/font]

[Guest xbloodfightx]

Your band, Apocalyspe Hoboken or whatever the crap it's called is probably local. Stop using them as an example because I'll put out tons of loca stuff. Punk has evolved yeah, the sound has, it's gotten faster, more to a point, what it actually stands for. And by the way...Bad Religion sucks.

[Semjaza]

[quote name='xbloodfightx']Your band, Apocalyspe Hoboken or whatever the crap it's called is probably local. Stop using them as an example because I'll put out tons of loca stuff. Punk has evolved yeah, the sound has, it's gotten faster, more to a point, what it actually stands for. And by the way...Bad Religion sucks.[/quote]

They're from Chicago, but got enough national exposure. Did you even read the post? The first thing I said was that they were a "local Chicago band". You wouldn't even have to get one sentence into the paragraph about them to see that. This isn't the first time you've shown a fundamental misunderstanding of something someone posted on OB, either. Try reading a bit more before you pounce on people, please.

The naming of them still doesn't change my point and completely ignores the fact that I only used them as an example to combat your point a grand total of [I]one time[/I]. An example I wouldn't have even used if you didn't make such a broad, and ultimately incorrect, generalization despite your undeniable knowledge on the one and only meaning of punk. Seriously, if punk at this point only included things such as the subject matter you listed, nearly any genre there was could have bands that could have been considered "punk". Not to mention all the bands that did likewise before the genre even existed.

Sure, I agree with you that current "punk" for the most part perhaps couldn't be considered "true punk" when compared to the ideal it was founded on... but that wasn't what I was getting at as it was.

Your naming a bunch of local bands in your vicinity wouldn't do any good in going against what I was trying to say. I could name dozens of bands from a bunch of genres just within the city limits here, but what the hell that does that matter? It doesn't at all. Apparently it was a key point of mine though. Could have fooled me. Perhaps I should be impressed if you do it though, because I don't know why else you'd say it in that manner. To me, it sounded like some sort of challenge. I'm not taking the bait, whatever it is you meant to accomplish by saying that.

You say everything everyone has mentioned doesn't count, yet you don't even know all that was mentioned in the first place? That's not [I]my [/I]problem, it's [I]yours[/I]. Don't make stupid generalizations that encompass [I]everything [/I]if you can't back them up. Why not say you don't even know the band instead of posting something to that effect? Excuse me for thinking you [B]KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT[/B]... maybe it was based on the caps and bold type you had to use to emphasize it and the fact that I was personally singled out since I'm the only mod that posted in here.

I do appreciate your well thought out rebuttal though. Was totally worth the time spent in here. It would be nice to hear some reasons as to why you don't like something than a simple "it sucks" for once. You did that in the metal thread too. Sorry that isn't enough for me to agree lol. A band you enjoy sucks and I'm not going to give you a single reason as to why, hahaahhaah. Okay.

If you don't want to back up your narrow-minded comments, why even bother saying them at all? If all I'm going to get is stuff like "that sucks and blah blah I know the true, pure music and that's all there is to it blah blah", I might as well talk to my little brother or the local radio music fan who is just as blind to everything that isn't contained in their little bubble. I'd come out with the same end effect.

Your abrasiveness in general sure doesn't help matters either. I wasn't even remotely trying to be negative or hostile towards you despite my disagreeing with what you said. I voiced my thoughts on the subject and tried to give reasons to back it up. And I get this garbage in return? Give me a break. Listen to what you want and share your thoughts on bands and music... that's cool -- but stop being condescending about it all. Your attitude in both of these threads has been pretty blah overall (although there obviously were exceptions in there, as I feel you've been very helpful in the past with band information).

I apologize if this is some "personal attack" in your mind (or anyone elses'), but when it affects how an opinion is expressed on the subject at hand, I feel that it's worth saying.

[OlgaTheDwarf]

[QUOTE=xbloodfightx][b] SORRY IF I SOUND LIKE A GENRE IDIOT, BUT I KNOW MY MUSIC[/b]

I really don't understand. Even the moderators don't know what they are talking about. Emo died before the 80's or 90's [I don't remember]. So I doubt anyone knows any emo bands.
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Emo wasn't around before the 80's. It started late 80's early 90.