Genre Searching: Punk & Emo

[Semjaza]

Olga, are you familiar with a band called On the Might of Princes? I don't think they'd really be considered 'hardcore" overall, but there is definitely an influence of it in their music. It's rather aggressive at times and there's certainly enough yelling heh.

I'm just curious if I'm the only one here that knows them.

[OlgaTheDwarf]

No, I've heard a few of their songs, off their newest cd [i]Sirens[/i], I believe it was? Anyway, one of the songs was (for the most part) pretty hardcore, but if memory serves me the others had quite a bit of clean singing. So, if one goes by vocals alone, they do have the influence, but they are probably not trying to be all hardcore (maybe emocore, heh.)

Hey Semjaza, check out the link in my signature. I would like to see what you think of them, they're called The Fall of Troy. I really think that you'd like them.

[Semjaza]

Yeah, Sirens is the one. They're definitely not trying to be all-hardcore, as you said. There's a few songs where I believe they don't even scream or anything else I equate with the genre lol.

I posted in your Fall of Troy thread, by the way.

I was wondering if anyone is familiar with Bad Brains. They were one of the inventors of hardcore (if not THE inventors, but it depends on what I read lol -- Black Flag was starting up at around the same time). The story is that these four black jazz players listened to the Ramones, named themselves after one of the songs on it and became what everyone knows them as today. They were basically the fastest and hardest punk band of their time (this was like early 80s, late 70s). Later on they kind of absorbed metal influences among other sounds.

What's cool about their style is that they don't really sing about all the angry stuff current hardcore bands do. They actually have positive messages at times. It's all kept together by reggae styles and smooth bits that intersperse themselves into the hardcore sound (there's a long story for all that too, but I won't get into it).

Really cool band. I'd recommend them to anyone. They're incredibly important and no one really talks about them anymore, sadly. A band defines hardcore and breaks race barriers (I mean really, who thinks of black men when they think of most punk bands?) and I don't even know anyone else that knows them lol. You think they'd be a bit more on people's minds.

[Genkai]

Well, a bit late on the topic, the word "emo" in the title threw me off... Not a fan.


xbloodfightx, I suggest you calm down a bit. You may well know what you are talking about, but that doesn't change the fact that others do too..


Many people have said what I already said, and I'm a lot more into post-punk than punk, but one thing no one has brought up is that the Sex Pistols were NOT the inventors of punk. At all. Of course, punk evolved in clubs and such, but the first popular punk was The Damned's [b]Damned Damned Damned[/b]. Check that out.

Other than that, I don't have much to day.

[Haze]

Wow. Semjazza...that was quite possibly the most eloquent way I have ever heard/read of someone being put in their place. ^^ Anyways, I have heard of Bad Brains. I'm really glad you mentioned them. I was not aware that they were black though. That's kind of cool. Thanks for today's history lesson.^^ I'm really surprised no one has mentioned the AKA's. I've just recently gotten in to these guys and have found them really good. The vocals are good, and most of the songs are about having good times without the booze and such. Pretty good message if I do say so myself.

Now this thread has gotten me to wondering if anyone has ever heard of Bury Your Dead. I'm not sure if they have been up north, but I do know they have been on tour down south and on the Atlantic coast. These guys are definitly worth checking out. A lot of their songs are about having fun at shows and such. Plus the guys are really nice.

Oh yeah! A few names to add to my list from above:
[b]The Mars Volta[/b]
[b]Reggie and The Full Effect[/b]
[b]Scars of Tomorrow[/b]
[b]between the burried and me[/b]

[Genkai]

Well, Bad Brains are Hardcore. I mean, Emo is "emotional harcore" in actuality, but I don't really put them in the same boat that much these days. And Hardcore and Punk are pretty different.


But Bad Brains is a great band. And so is The Mars Volta.

[OlgaTheDwarf]

Well, I would just like to inform anyone who cares (Haze, ect...). Further Seems Forever, is not broken up. They were going to, but instead they replaced their vocalist (again) with a new guy. Now, this is both good news and bad news. The good news is that they didn't break up, the bad news is that their ew singer isn't that great. I forget his name, but he is the vocalist formerely of the band Sense Field (I believe they made it pretty big with their single [i]Save Yourself[/i]). Anyway, I'm not a Sense Field fan, so I hope you can understand my dismay, although there is always a chance that he could be okay with FSF.

[Haze]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

The guy from Sense Field?!?! I'm not sure that is gonna work. I mean, he has this folk-rock voice. I will be interested to know whether or not it works out. I really really liked the last guy they had. I thought his voice worked really well for the sound they created. I don't know where they are gonna go with it now. :confused:

[Semjaza]

[QUOTE=Genkai]Well, Bad Brains are Hardcore. I mean, Emo is "emotional harcore" in actuality, but I don't really put them in the same boat that much these days. And Hardcore and Punk are pretty different.


But Bad Brains is a great band. And so is The Mars Volta.[/QUOTE]

Emo isn't just "emotional hardcore". That's just a sect of it.

They're all related, and thus should all be mentioned, in my opinion. Hardcore wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for punk. I don't want to relegate this to bands to just one section of the sound possible heh. Otherwise we'd be stuck to some of the more popular stuff and this thread would definitely not be as interesting. Besides, people were mentioning hardcore-ish stuff well before I brought up Bad Brains in here. Of course, I've also tried to avoid naming weird stuff that most people in here woudln't even bother to listen to -- especially given the initial post.

And in repsonse to your Sex Pistols comment, no one here (that I noticed) said the Sex Pistols invented punk anyway... so why would anyone bother saying it to the contrary? lol Punk evolved from so many other previous rock bands anyway.

And since a couple people mentioned them... I really don't think The Mars Volta is all that impressive. They're living off the remnants of At the Drive-In, which I thought was far more talented and had far more potential. I can't see them ever surpassing [I]In Casino Out[/I] with what they showed on [I]Deloused in the Crematorium[/I]. All good things come to an end, I guess. I don't know that I'd really even consider them (or even At the Drive-In) entirely within any of the genres mentioned here anyway... but that's me. Even the band has called themselves emotional hardcore at times, so what do I know lol.

[PiroMunkie]

[size=1]In terms of 'emo,' I would probably reccomend a local label around here, Saddle Creek Records ([url=http://www.saddle-creek.com]http://www.saddle-creek.com[/url]).

As I said, it is local, but I think it is getting a lot of national attention. Bands such as Bright Eyes, Rilo Kiley, and The Faint are the ones I have heard most people talking about. I personally do not listen to any of them, but I figured I would give the options.[/size]

[Genkai]

[QUOTE=PiroMunkie][size=1]In terms of 'emo,' I would probably reccomend a local label around here, Saddle Creek Records ([url=http://www.saddle-creek.com]http://www.saddle-creek.com[/url]).

As I said, it is local, but I think it is getting a lot of national attention. Bands such as Bright Eyes, Rilo Kiley.......[/size][/QUOTE]


Not to say I'm an expert on emo (I'm not.... at all. I don't listen to it (besides Ian Mackaye's stuff and Husker Du,, and I don't claim myself to be....), but I don't really think Bright Eyes is emo. I don't know if you implied that or what, since SCR is an emo label, mostly, and Bright Eyes is on it, etc...

A lot of "emo kids" as they call 'em listen to bright eyes His lyrics ARE emotional and such. But I think saying the genre of emo is simply music with emotional lyrics is way too general.

I've ALWAYS, by EVERYONE been told that "emo" is short for emotional hardcore , but even "emo kids" would (attempt to) kick anyone's *** who called emo that. But That's what it's derived from, as far as I can tell. now there are emo sub-genres (screamo, pemo, )and such, it's hard to make the hardcore comparison. Not to be derogatory (is that a word) , and say bad things about a genre that does have some good qualities, but much of today's emo, especially popular emo, sounds to me like, well, whiney people singing about wearing striped sweaters and crying.

Dammit, that's gona be taken the wrong way. Too bad.

Anyway, sorry to rant, but emo is just really confusing. You think one thing about it and then that's not right and then things "change" for emo and I just cna't keep up.

[PiroMunkie]

[quote name='Genkai']Not to say I'm an expert on emo (I'm not.... at all. I don't listen to it (besides Ian Mackaye's stuff and Husker Du,, and I don't claim myself to be....), but I don't really think Bright Eyes is emo. I don't know if you implied that or what, since SCR is an emo label, mostly, and Bright Eyes is on it, etc...[/quote][size=1]I was mostly just generalizing. I could have been more picky about telling a bit about the SCR bands, but I do not care enough for any of them to do so. I am not much of an 'emo' person either, so yeah.[/size]

[OlgaTheDwarf]

Another good "emo" label is Deep Elm. They are pretty well known for catering strictly to emo bands. One of their biggest and most widely known groups, is the Appleseed Cast. I'd actually be pretty suprised if no one here has heard of them, they've been a pretty influencial band in emo music (whatever that is). So check them or Deep Elm Records out, if you want.