Fanfic Plagiarism

[Guest Athos]

Just to make this clear, I've seen other topics concerning plagiarism on here. So, when I saw someone on this board copy some work of someone on my board, I naturally got pissed off. The person on my board who's work was copied off of tried to PM the guy who copied him on here, *cough* Domon *cough*, only to find his account to be deleted. He tried to PM James, guess what happens? Account deletion. His previous user names were: Archmage, AG's Rebirth, and Sanosuke somtin...but anyway, Domon copied card names and effects for his fanfic:

[url]http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=37464[/url]

Somebody better address this problem, instead of sweeping this topic under the rug like when my friend brought this to Domon's topic himself, only to have his post deleted by a staff member, possibly Solo.

BTW, if I see this deleted instead of at least closed, I'll know something is corrupt with yo staff. --;

[Semjaza]

Well, I know nothing about this... but I'm curious. Are these cards you've come up with yourself or ones that officially exist in Yu-Gi-Oh?

[Guest Athos]

I didn't come up with them. I am an adminstrator from the major YGO site, yugiohdungeon.com, and one of my members started a YGO Fantasy Dueling League, for made up cards pretty much. He started his own sets and people submitted their stuff to be entered into the league. Domon has pretty much ripped off half of his made-up set from that league. The League is still in rebuilding since YGO Dungeon Forums just moved servers, but my proof comes in the members of the league who have been using em for fantasy duels for a while now. A few examples of cards copied: (Copied/Pasted of Domon's topic)

Chaos General -Messiah of the Two Envoys (Light/Warrior/9/3500/3000)
Effect: Remove 1 Dark main-type monster, 1 Light main-type monster in your graveyard and one monster either in the field or in your hand from game to special summon this monster. During your draw phase, you may choose to skip drawing a card, and instead, search your deck for a card with the word [Chaos] in its name (no level requirements). Pay 500LP if you do this. Also, you may choose to discard a [Chaos Soldier - Envoy of Creation] or [Chaos Emperor Dragon -Envoy of the End] to attack directly with this monster. (Restricted to one.)

Bringer of the Nightmares (Dark/Animal/8/2800/2500)
Effect: Every time this monster destroys another monster, both players draw 1 card and lose 500LP (Restricted to two per deck)

Assassin of the Black Clan (Dark/Warrior/4/1300/1300)
Effect: During your opponent's standby phase you may remove 1 card in your hand from the game. Attach this monster as an equip magic card to one of your opponent's monsters. That monster may not be sacrificed, change battle position, or attack. Destroy that monster at the end of turn and return Assassin of the Black Clan to your monster zone in attack mode. Also, if your opponent has a Strike Ninja on their side of the field you may not use this monster?s effect on that monster if that is their only monster.

Giant Crayfish (Water/Aqua/4/1000/2100)

Angelic Sword Master (Light/Angel/4/1600/1700)
Effect: If this card is face-up on the field and your opponent plays a magic card, you may sacrifice Angelic Sword Master to negate it, destroying the card.
(Editor's Note: Changed from Angel's Blader but same effect)

Holy Seraphim Angel of Light (Light/Angel/4/2000/500)
Effect: If this monster is targeted by a magic or monster effect destroy this monster. However, if a trap card targets this card, negate and destroy the trap card's effect.

And pretty much every card in that topic with "Genocide" in the name.


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The only thing I wanna know is a response from Domon explaining himself, and why the member of my board, user named Sanosuke, has been deleted/banned from here so many times for no particular reason. My thought was that nothing in PM's other than advertising carried rule violations here.

[Semjaza]

Well, I'm not here to defend or attack anyone... nor do I know the circumstances of your issues here (I've never even heard of the usernames brought up - I know I've not banned them, personally). However, I've searched quite a few of the examples listed here as well as in Domon's thread and not one of them has even come up on those forums.

I don't really know what can be done when there is no apparent proof on the site you're saying this was taken from. I can't really go after anyone based simply on what you or Domon want to claim about the subject. More proof is needed, honestly. You say that the forums were "just made up" (I am not sure what that means exactly heh), but there are plenty of older posts on there and I find it odd that I'm not finding matches to simple things like "genocide solider" and such that you say were ripped off.

In any case, I'm not really defending anything that may or may not have occurred, as I don't know the full story. However, if you could actually cite some of the threads on that Yu-Gi-Oh forum that have these same card descriptions, it would be appreciated.

I found some Fantasy League sticky, but it's completely empty... so I can't really base much on it.

[Guest Magus]

I'm familiar with the "Fantasy Dueling Thread" that Athos is talking about since I'm also affiliated with that particular website (I'm a mod in the forums). Our forums have recently been moved to another server and we have lost quite a number of our older threads and posts, so it's not a big surprise that you were able to find what you were looking for Semjaza . . . although quite a few people did contribute to that thread and it had been up at least since the latter part of '03.

[Guest Athos]

Would the original .txt files I have(all full 700 card database of every single card used in the fantasy league) suffice? As well as most of the remaining members from the fantasy league that used the EXACT cards when playing --; The data transfer from vB to Invision Board left some topics blank of their posts, but beside that fantasy league thread, in the topic data, you should've seen it listed 7 posts, all of which are non-viewable for some reason.

[Solo Tremaine]

[QUOTE=Athos]Just to make this clear, I've seen other topics concerning plagiarism on here. So, when I saw someone on this board copy some work of someone on my board, I naturally got pissed off. The person on my board who's work was copied off of tried to PM the guy who copied him on here, *cough* Domon *cough*, only to find his account to be deleted. He tried to PM James, guess what happens? Account deletion. His previous user names were: Archmage, AG's Rebirth, and Sanosuke somtin...but anyway, Domon copied card names and effects for his fanfic:

[url="http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=37464"]http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=37464[/url]

Somebody better address this problem, instead of sweeping this topic under the rug like when my friend brought this to Domon's topic himself, only to have his post deleted by a staff member, possibly Solo.

BTW, if I see this deleted instead of at least closed, I'll know something is corrupt with yo staff. --;[/QUOTE][COLOR=#503F86]Before you start accusing me of being corrupt, I can't delete posts in the Adventure Arena. I'm an Anime Lounge Mod.

Sanosuke (then known as Altron Gundam) had agreed to let Domon use the Fantasy Duelling League cards in a previous RPG of the same name which failed to finish peoperly- see [URL=http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=Yu-Gi-Oh]here[/URL] for details. I can vouch for that because I helped Domon create the RPG. Domon was resurrecting the same adventure thread with the assumption that he was still able to use the cards that Altron had described to him. As Altron was no longer here to ask because of his ban, there was no way to confirm that this was true. That is my interpretation of the story. They weren't copied from the yugiohdungeon site as Altron gave full permission to have them used.[/COLOR]

[Guest Athos]

[QUOTE=Solo Tremaine][COLOR=#503F86]Before you start accusing me of being corrupt, I can't delete posts in the Adventure Arena. I'm an Anime Lounge Mod.

Sanosuke (then known as Altron Gundam) had agreed to let Domon use the Fantasy Duelling League cards in a previous RPG of the same name which failed to finish peoperly- see [URL=http://www.otakuboards.com/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=Yu-Gi-Oh]here[/URL] for details. I can vouch for that because I helped Domon create the RPG. Domon was resurrecting the same adventure thread with the assumption that he was still able to use the cards that Altron had described to him. As Altron was no longer here to ask because of his ban, there was no way to confirm that this was true. That is my interpretation of the story. They weren't copied from the yugiohdungeon site as Altron gave full permission to have them used.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I just talked to Altron on AIM regarding this post, as he was banned for trying to confront this copier. Basically here's the gist of what he is saying:

Permission huh? That's why there's no credit given at all in that post you linked to. Even if Altron did five permission for that old RPG, Domon's revived RPG still has no right to those cards. Different time, different situation. That permission ended the day Domon started inciting fights against Altron and trying to get him banned. Domon COULD and SHOULD HAVE asked for permission. He could have because he knows Altron's AIM and could have asked him himself. Instead he just went and copied the fantasy league cards, thus resulting in the conflict you see now. Its still plagiarism. There was NO specific permission given for this RPG to have those fantasy dueling league cards. Oh and thanks, you just proved he copied those cards, in your linked topic, New Conflict and Final Stronghold were sets 401 AND 402 for the Fantasy Dueling League. --;

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Outside of that, I find it funny that when Altron tried to contact Domon about their usage, there was no reply and Altron's account, JUST MADE to ask about why his cards were being copied was suddenly either banned or deleted, and when I asked James about this, he said he had no knowledge of anything happening to those accounts. Either someone is banning/deleting members behind the rest of the staff's back, or James is lying about something. After speaking to James, I highly doubt he is a liar.

[Sara]

[size=1]Altron was banned from OtakuBoards. Unless special exception is made by James, bans are permanent--If a staff member is aware that a banned member has registered under a different name, the [b]new name will also banned.[/b] We have no way of determining complex reasons for the member's return, nor do we have the time or manpower. Altron was a part of staff here, and he should be aware of that.

I don't know when or why this feud between him and Domon began--and frankly, it's been going on long enough that I don't care--but it's ridiculous.

And really, if Domon has Altron's AIM handle, it stands to reason that Altron has Domon's, or could easily obtain it. If any further confrontations could take place [i]off[/i] OtakuBoards, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.[/size]

[Domon]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=Navy]I just would like to say that the reasons I am using these cards is because of what Solo Tremaine stated earlier, but that Altron sent them to me via e-mail and since then have remained on my computer in Word Perfect Text. I also want to say that after Altron and I had a falling out we both blocked each other on AIM. But if he wants to speak with me I will be availible some of tonight and most of tomorrow and Sunday. But the problem is that if I do something even slightly out of step so much as within ear-shot of Altron I am constantly berated and belittled and even cursed at. That is another reason as to why he has been blocked on AIM. But again I say that he is unblocked and I will speak to him .[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[James]

[color=#707875]I've only skimmed through this thread, but it seems to me that there isn't very much proof going on here.

Unless very specific proof exists, I don't think anyone can expect the staff at OtakuBoards to do anything.

I'd also advise Altron to stop making new accounts on OB -- we are aware that it is going on and we will not allow it. When you're banned, you're banned. Your behavior on each new account tends to be bad enough to warrant fresh bans anyway.

I recommend that you and Domon sort out your issues away from OtakuBoards. Right now we're getting into a very silly circle of people blaming each other for things, without any real evidence. A text file will [i]not [/i]suffice, because it doesn't constitute direct proof -- anyone could write a text file at any time about anything.

If someone is plagiarising something, I want to see specific links and the original dates that those threads were made. Without that, nobody can do anything and all of this discussion becomes moot.[/color]