DeathKnight Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B] you're [I]proud[/I] of that? if so, then you're brainwashed. no offense meant. i used to be brainwashed myself. [/B][/QUOTE] I am proud of being Texan I am Proud of Being Mexican, Indian, Black, And English I am Proud of our Country What the prison system does has nothing to do with me... The Death Penalty is something Texas does I Dont Either support it or not support it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamvis Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 gosh... thats a bind... have the baby then pin the thing on him then sue his butt and get paid handsomely! im sorry... this is the mind of a half mature 12 yr old here... -§ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 one thing i'm sure almost everybody will agree on... using abortion as a form of birth control is [I]not right...[/I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyGirl Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B]one thing i'm sure almost everybody will agree on... using abortion as a form of birth control is [I]not right...[/I] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=deeppink]Yes, I will definitely agree. Though I am still pro-choice, I think that using that as an easy way out is horrible...[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master O Beans Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 LM - I think we've lsot this fight...but that's ok...let them have their abortions...then when we're sippin' a brew with God in heaven....they'll be gettin' pooked in the a*s by Satan :) Muahhahaha!:devil: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pressure Posted October 20, 2001 Author Share Posted October 20, 2001 quote:Originally posted by DeathKnight Animals dont have the potential to become anything more than they are.... quote:Originally posted by Transtic Nerve humans have the potential to be great... in the bible god gave Man authority over the wild creatures of the earth.... The bible is also written by Humans... what did you expect? I don't believe in the bible... those logics don't work on me... find something not dealing with religion to throw at me and then I'll listen. If you are gonna hide behind a book then you are weak.... speak for yourself not what a book tells you to do. My thoughts: What the hell is wrong with you people? Animals do have potential to become more than they are!! It's called [I]evolution[/I] dumb@$$ Think about that for a minute!! And transtic.. dude.. THANK YOU!! You can't kill something that isn't alive!! Organized religion doesn't work for me. I'm sorry, i dont hate or dislike anyone's religion or anyone b/c of their religion, its just that.. to me.. God is a figment of the imagination created when humans could actually think so that they would feel safer and it tricks the subconcious into taking it easy and believing that they will be fine b/c their imagination is creating a creature sitting on his high horse governing them all. one more thing.. If he's real, and im not saying he isnt, im saying IIII dont THINK he is,but if he's real, how is it that ppl believe in him, this huge uni-sex thing, but not in like aliens or that YOU CAN'T KILL SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALIVE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeiram Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DeathKnight [/i] [B]You could have just ended the person to discover acure to aids... or the next president... the next father... the next scholar... the next fireman... the next architect... [/B][/QUOTE] the next Adolf Hitler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSJ5 Vegeta Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Transtic Nerve [/i] [B] My opinions are perfectly clear... Perhaps you should read them again and again.... perhaps they are too complex for you.... the comparison made is a metaphore.... The same people who argue pro life take it away for their own selfish greed. You hunt animals, to me thats wrong, you are killing! Humans are animals too! Just more developed. But to go on your logic, if I ate humans to keep myself alive would that make it right to walk up and shoot you? No... so don't use that BS reasoning... How the hell can you people not get it... ABORTION IS NOT MURDER BECAUSE YOU CAN'T KILL SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALIVE! You state babies are the work of god.... and animals aren't? What kinda BS is that? Animals are just as much a work of God as you are.... BTW: babies are the work of sperm... unless you consider sperm to be god, then whatever. God doesn't implant babies... in fact I fail to see where god has any process in making a baby. Sperm gets in egg, process in egg makes baby grow, due to genetic or physical doings, a babies health may be changed.... I see no God in there... it's all the work of a human and the insides of a human. Babies are the works of Humans... Humans create Humans, just like animals create animals. And no, I don't read the bible for I do not believe a book written by HUMANS has anything to do with what God meant for it to be. I'd rather be an animal than a stupid human. At least animals can learn to coexist with each other. At least animals don't hate other animals. It seems to me by killing an animal you are killing something better than yourself. Animals have feelings to you know. If you killed my cat, I'd cry and weep over it. I consider my cats to be my family, My babies. They mean more to me than alot of humans do. It's not that I'm for abortion, it's that I simply can't understand your reasoning on "Abortion is Murder".... you all need to look up the damn word Murder in the dictionary. Murder: The act of killing Killing: The act of ending one's life Life: the act of living! Are first trimester fetus's living? NO! thus proove right there, Abortion is not murder... pick another word! [/B][/QUOTE] People with squeamish stomachs don't look... If you're brave enough then have at it... This is directed at Transtic... Is this a life transtic? Were these babies that got aborted living? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3a.htm[/url] Looks like a f***ing life to me don't it??? This one sure as hell looks developed enough to be called a life in your idiotic judgement: [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3b.htm[/url] What about this one? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3d.htm[/url] Or this one? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3g.htm[/url] Feel like a dumbass now??? You f***ing should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pressure Posted October 20, 2001 Author Share Posted October 20, 2001 [QUOTE]one thing i'm sure almost everybody will agree on... using abortion as a form of birth control is not right...[/QUOTE] not right? NOT RIGHT? NANI?!!? ARE YOU SERIOUS!! THAT GOES BEYOND NOT RIGHT!!!!! THATS DISGUSTING!! IM PRO-ABORTION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING EVEN [B]I[/B] CAN'T AGREE WITH!! GO ON THE PILL!!!!!!! evryone in my family, teens atleast, are on the pill, minus me,too young the pill does more than protect aginst impregnation, but it also lowers cramp pain, clears up acne, etc. GO PILL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathKnight Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 heh guess what foo doesnt believe in evolution? me thats bullshit.... evolution... haha... what a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyGirl Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by DBZChikaGhan [/i] [B] the pill does more than protect aginst impregnation, but it also lowers cramp pain GO PILL!! [/B][/QUOTE] [color=deeppink]*looks at Advil that sits next to her* Really? You mean I don't need a whole bottle of this stuff once a month? *gets excited* Woo hoo! Er, actually, I knew that...I'm just too lazy to mention my horrible cramps to the doctor.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 actually, the depo shot is better... you don't have your period. now [I]that's[/I] a blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 20, 2001 Share Posted October 20, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ5 Vegeta [/i] [B] People with squeamish stomachs don't look... If you're brave enough then have at it... This is directed at Transtic... Is this a life transtic? Were these babies that got aborted living? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3a.htm[/url] Looks like a f***ing life to me don't it??? This one sure as hell looks developed enough to be called a life in your idiotic judgement: [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3b.htm[/url] What about this one? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3d.htm[/url] Or this one? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3g.htm[/url] Feel like a dumbass now??? You f***ing should. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=darkblue][size=1]I don't care what your opinions are on this subject, but swear again and you'll be banned.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted October 22, 2001 Share Posted October 22, 2001 First of all: I don't think this topic should have ever been made as it is sucha heated debate. Secondly: The reason you gave as well as one other eason are the ONLY reasons abortion should EVER take place. Third: You stated at the very end of your post that women should have the right to choose. I think that is is far too blunt of a statement. Only if it is not the womans fault or, if the mother and/or child will be lost during the pregnancy should there EVER be an abortion. I think one should at least give the baby a shot at life. And lastly: I'm not saying all abortion is wrong. I'm saying it is wrong for a woman to **** a guy, knowing perfectly well the risks and consequences, and then abort the baby. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Also, SSJ5 Vegeta, I do share your opinions as well as your anger but, you must control your anger sometimes my friend... -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted October 22, 2001 Share Posted October 22, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by SSJ5 Vegeta [/i] [B] People with squeamish stomachs don't look... If you're brave enough then have at it... This is directed at Transtic... Is this a life transtic? Were these babies that got aborted living? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3a.htm[/url] Looks like a f***ing life to me don't it??? This one sure as hell looks developed enough to be called a life in your idiotic judgement: [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3b.htm[/url] What about this one? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3d.htm[/url] Or this one? [url]http://www.holylamb.com/abortion3g.htm[/url] Feel like a dumbass now??? You f***ing should. [/B][/QUOTE] First off, if you did any research you wouldk now those are abortions after the first trimester... illegal abortions. I don't support those, no one should. SO perhaps at that time they did have a life. I feel there is nothing wrong with first trimester abortions because the fetus isn't alive. Thats a fact.... I don't care what garbage or pics you pull up, the fact is, a fetus isn't alive in the first trimester..... oh wait.... don't believe me? Ask my mom you gutter trash. She had TWO, thats right, TWO "babies" before me that were born naturally within the first trimester and are they alive.... oh let me look.... NO! they aren't because they CAN'T be alive during the first trimester. I have brothers or sisters that were born like that.... I think I know... My aunt also did the same thing. I have first hand knowledge on the subject cause it directly dely with my family... How many babies has you mom had that weren't born alive and healthy? Huh? Yeah, she should have aborted you too, cause you are the worst example of human waste there is. Deathnight, Evolution isn't bullcrap.... sorry, it's prooven. Maybe not the form of Ape to Human, but in certain animals it's prooven. Evolution is a fact. One must adapt to it's environment. Have you seen the first horses? Or how about the first elephants? You should really look up those. Thy were totally different from the ones today. Evolution my dear Watson. I hate some of you cause you think I support all Abortion... read the facts you ignorant fools.... I support the abortion of NON-LIVING FETUSES IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER! It's legal for a reason.... i support it, however I don't think it should be used as birth control of whatever. In fact I'd rather a woman and man take responciblity for their mistake or whatever.... but since America is full of irresponcible people... thats not gonna happen... you have to catter to everyone, even if it's not what you want. It's the way the world works... live with it or die like the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted October 22, 2001 Share Posted October 22, 2001 I just think that abortion should be legal in the cases that I have already mentioned. If the parent cannot care for the abby properly it should be put up for adoption... -Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sui Generis Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 Personally I am torn apart on this question...I personally think it is wrong, well most of me atleast. But then you have to think of those people...that get raped...or they may die if they deliver the baby...There is just too many complications to honsostly make a fair decision..I say un-less you were raped or your life is threatened...abortion should be illegal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 i'm getting a headache. people are repeating themselves & it's getting ugly. face it, no one is changing anyone else's mind & they're not going to. this is an age-old argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Justin [/i] [B] And lastly: I'm not saying all abortion is wrong. I'm saying it is wrong for a woman to **** a guy, knowing perfectly well the risks and consequences, and then abort the baby. [/B][/QUOTE] [color=crimson][size=1]I agree 100%. I'm only saying that it might be necessary in some circumstances -- but not those where the woman has actually been irresponsible. I think it's great that we can debate a topic such as this. While it can stir passionate argument -- most people have been reasonably listening to others views without flaming them. This topic makes a welcome change from topics such as "favorite band" or "how many hours of sleep do u get?". Let's try and encourage intelligent discussion on our boards. Only then will we hope to make the boards a better place.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transtic Nerve Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B]i'm getting a headache. people are repeating themselves & it's getting ugly. face it, no one is changing anyone else's mind & they're not going to. this is an age-old argument. [/B][/QUOTE] I was simply reiterating my statement because of idiots like SSJ5Vegeta who can't read what i say... and then posts pics and makes false statement cause he doesn't know what he's talking about... You must constantly repeat yourself to get stupid people to understand you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Macaiodh Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 transtic, anyone who would post pictures like that cannot be reasoned with. he is a right-wing nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Master O Beans Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Lady Macaiodh [/i] [B]he is a right-wing nut. [/B][/QUOTE] Hey! ...nothin' wrong with right wing nuts dammit! :D Anyhoo, yesterday on campus - there was a a HUGE Anti-Abortion set-up in the middle of campus. They had big "WARNING: GENOCIDE PICTURES AHEAD" signs up like 100ft away...so I knew I was in for a treat... Anyhoo, They had these huge pictures, of aborted babies, first trimester too! some of them weren't any bigger than a quarter, but you could still tell exacty what it was...a human life. He then went into explaining part of the procedure...Here goes: The baby is almost completely removed from the "mothers' " body, it is taken out feet first, and they stop taking it out when they see the neck. Then then plundge a pair a "scissors" into the back of the "unborn" neck of the baby, and open them up (there's been reports of twitching and crying at this stage. believe it, or don't.). Then a "vaccum" is placed into the newly made whole in the back of the baby's neck...and their brains are sucked out. Well sheesh, who [I]wouldn't [/I] wan't one?? Sounds like a laugh riot to me :D ...erm, perhaps by "laught riot" I mean "murder" ...I always get those terms mixed up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mornigndew Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Master O Beans [/i] [B] Hey! ...nothin' wrong with right wing nuts dammit! :D Anyhoo, yesterday on campus - there was a a HUGE Anti-Abortion set-up in the middle of campus. They had big "WARNING: GENOCIDE PICTURES AHEAD" signs up like 100ft away...so I knew I was in for a treat... Anyhoo, They had these huge pictures, of aborted babies, first trimester too! some of them weren't any bigger than a quarter, but you could still tell exacty what it was...a human life. He then went into explaining part of the procedure...Here goes: The baby is almost completely removed from the "mothers' " body, it is taken out feet first, and they stop taking it out when they see the neck. Then then plundge a pair a "scissors" into the back of the "unborn" neck of the baby, and open them up (there's been reports of twitching and crying at this stage. believe it, or don't.). Then a "vaccum" is placed into the newly made whole in the back of the baby's neck...and their brains are sucked out. Well sheesh, who [I]wouldn't [/I] wan't one?? Sounds like a laugh riot to me :D ...erm, perhaps by "laught riot" I mean "murder" ...I always get those terms mixed up... [/B][/QUOTE] [COLOR=blue]That's cruel and horrible. I cannot imagine it.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Master O Beans [/i] [B] Hey! ...nothin' wrong with right wing nuts dammit! :D Anyhoo, yesterday on campus - there was a a HUGE Anti-Abortion set-up in the middle of campus. They had big "WARNING: GENOCIDE PICTURES AHEAD" signs up like 100ft away...so I knew I was in for a treat... Anyhoo, They had these huge pictures, of aborted babies, first trimester too! some of them weren't any bigger than a quarter, but you could still tell exacty what it was...a human life. He then went into explaining part of the procedure...Here goes: The baby is almost completely removed from the "mothers' " body, it is taken out feet first, and they stop taking it out when they see the neck. Then then plundge a pair a "scissors" into the back of the "unborn" neck of the baby, and open them up (there's been reports of twitching and crying at this stage. believe it, or don't.). Then a "vaccum" is placed into the newly made whole in the back of the baby's neck...and their brains are sucked out. Well sheesh, who [I]wouldn't [/I] wan't one?? Sounds like a laugh riot to me :D ...erm, perhaps by "laught riot" I mean "murder" ...I always get those terms mixed up... [/B][/QUOTE] [color=crimson][size=1]You're completely missing the point here. Nobody is saying for a single moment that abortion is a [b]good[/b] thing. We are merely saying that it is sometimes necessary. In cases where both mother and child may die through childbirth, or in cases where the child may end up being born with a terrible physical illness...these are times when abortion might be necessary. I do not support abortion just because the mother decides she doesn't want the baby -- that's irresponsible. But let's not confuse or cloud the issue -- nobody would say that the act of abortion is pleasant. Just the same as I would not watch open heart surgery and say "mmm yum!". lol The act is never nice -- but the results are sometimes necessary. By the way, I think that your description of an abortion is a little wrong. It sounds to me like something that was created to shock pro-choice people. In actuality, abortions are usually carried out using a mixture of chemicals which are flushed into the womb. The problem with this is that the womb lining can be slightly damaged, meaning that a woman who has an abortion may not be able to have a child in future -- in some cases. So in actuality, abortion is never usually like MOB's description. I've never heard of it done like that. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that it might sometimes be required in a bad situation.[/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyGirl Posted October 23, 2001 Share Posted October 23, 2001 [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i] [B] [color=crimson][size=1]In cases where both mother and child may die through childbirth, or in cases where the child may end up being born with a terrible physical illness...these are times when abortion may be necessary.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE] [color=deeppink]I do not agree that it would be necessary if the child were to be born with a physical illness. If it is a child, then it is a child. After the first trimester, it is something I don't support. But anyway, if the child does have some sort of special need, it should be loved the way any child is. I hate parents who are depressed upon finding that their child has a mental or physical challenge...that's just so damn sad. I love my brother despite his physical limitations. He's a kid, just like the rest of us. P.S. [i]James, I know you weren't implying anything like that, and I understand what you were saying, but the way it was worded made me feel the need to respond :)[/i][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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