Suggestion

[maridah]

The suggestion is:
What about a different rating system for fan art? Instead of just a yes or no to the picture, would it be possible to rank the picture of the scale of say, 1 to 10? That way, the votes could be a bit more accurate. People could judge the pictures in a gray zone, not just the black and white way it is now. I would just like to see that, but being a webmater myself, I understand it's just another thing to program >_< so I would understand if the answer is a resounding "NO".
I hope this might spark something, possibly spawing more ideas to improve otaku.

I'd also like to see this happen so I (and others who agree) could avoid the [I]massive[/I] amounts of traced pictures in the fan art section.

[James]

[color=#707875]I think that this is a good idea, but I'm not aware of the programming difficulties, given the current system that we have in place. So I'd have to refer you to Adam or Justin on that front.

But it's definitely an idea with merit, in and of itself.[/color]

[Adam]

Fan art ratings are relative, definitely not absolute. People obviously have different individual scales for grading. The only purpose of the rating system is not to rate the individual piece itself, as that's impossible to do given different people's scales, but to rate pieces against each other. And with that purpose in mind, there's no difference between a Yes//No system and a scale system. (Except the Yes//No system is much faster and easier.)

We used to have a numbered scale system, but it was quite problematic. It was on a scale between 1-5 and our highest ranking artist had a 3.7. Now, you can see how discouraging a 3.7/5 is for the highest artist and most people ended up around the 3 range. It's one thing to be rated a 3.3 and another to know that 80% of the people who viewed your work liked it. The 80% number is DEFINITELY more encouraging than a 3.3/5.

-Adam

[DBZgirl88]

[QUOTE=Adam]We used to have a numbered scale system, but it was quite problematic. It was on a scale between 1-5 and our highest ranking artist had a 3.7. Now, you can see how discouraging a 3.7/5 is for the highest artist and most people ended up around the 3 range. It's one thing to be rated a 3.3 and another to know that 80% of the people who viewed your work liked it. The 80% number is DEFINITELY more encouraging than a 3.3/5.

-Adam[/QUOTE][COLOR="#004a6f"]I would agree with you there. However, theotaku is alot more sophisticated now. People have to be myOtaku members in order to vote, and each person only gets one vote. In your old rating system, the only thing that prevented people from voting a second time was cookies, which could easliy be erased though. Some people would go so far as give a rating of 1 over and over agian, just to bring people's ranking's down. I was pretty disgusted by that.

Anyway, I thing a ranking out of 10 rather than out of 5 would be more accurate. Or if that still doesn't sound appealing, how about adding 'maybe' to the yes or no voting system? 'Maybe' could be worth half a point.[/COLOR]

[Semjaza]

"Maybe"? lol

If they're that unsure then maybe they shouldn't vote in the first place.

[jblessing]

[QUOTE=Semjaza Azazel]"Maybe"? lol

If they're that unsure then maybe they shouldn't vote in the first place.[/QUOTE]Exactly, lol. A vote of 'maybe' wouldn't even affect the outcome. On another note, implementing a 1 - 10 scale would be rather cumbersome for the users end. The current setup now makes perfect sense, you either like the artwork or not. No need to go further from that, right? You always have the option not to vote.

Anyways, thats how I see it and I don't see any changes coming.

[DBZgirl88]

[QUOTE=Semjaza Azazel]"Maybe"? lol

If they're that unsure then maybe they shouldn't vote in the first place.[/QUOTE][COLOR="#004a6f"]Okay, fine, not 'maybe'. How about 'kind of'? Call it whatever you like, but you know what I mean! (Do you?). :confused: Anyway, there are pictures that I like alot better than others, and there are some that aren't too good, though you can see some good features to them. For instance, a person might draw very accurately, yet they have excellent shading, or vice-versa. Rather than put the person down and give them a zero without considering any effort that went into the picture, or any of the good tecniques, I'd would give them 'half a vote'.[/COLOR]

[Panda]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']Well, the Yes/No system (or any ranking system) has one inescapable problem: that people will bring down ratings of the "competition" or just random drawings they have something against. (The addition of "constructive criticism" comments is a great one, but unfortunately all you get is from people who vote "yes," so the "no"s are just as meaningless and frustrating.)[/quote]

I agree with this statement. There are always going to be people who vote no just to vote no. It is very frustrating since you don't know why they voted no. My suggestion would be to vote no you have to leave a comment as to what about the art you don't like. If there is something wrong with the technique then the artist would know what they need to work on. For example, let's say they need work on shading, then they would know that is something they need to work on. If they just don't like it out of personal opinion then the artist will know it isn't because of the technical aspect but that voters personal opinion.

The main problem I see with this is people may get very defensive of their art and start flaming the person who voted against their art. I am not sure if there is an "perfect" solution to the voting issue. No matter what I will continue submitting and checking out all the art. We have a lot of very talented members here.

:D

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

[quote name='Me']So maybe the solution is to have one more, additional "popularity" metric[/quote]

I got it!!

This might be a bother to implement, but here goes:

The "NO"s that suck and frustrate people really only start to set in after the pic has been up for a couple of days (at least that has been my experience and that is what I gather from the fluctuation in the "highest rated artists" list). What does that mean? Well, it means that the pics that deserve praise/high ranking DO in fact get it for a short time (at least). The first day or two that a pic is up, it appears to get more or less what it deserves.

So then, how to recognize that? DAILY FAVORITES!!

Each day, there will be 5 or so "Daily Favorite" pictures chosen out of the new batch of pics, based on votes. Because this is only out of a new batch, there isn't much perversion in the scoring yet, and there also isn't any "competition" from people who don't want to lose their top spot (seeing as nobody is in that top spot for longer than it takes to produce a new batch of pics).

Because pics only get picked out of new batches, no pic will be a "Daily Favorite" more than once. This way everyone gets a chance to show off their best work, rather than the "top 5" being choked by four killer pics that are just way too awesome to let anything through (or way too unfairly scored..hehe...).

Now, more prolific artists, as long as they're good, will get more "Daily Favs" than less-prolific ones. Because of this, I think a possible popularity metric could be a "Daily Fav Ratio," which is a ratio of an artist's # of pics submitted vs. # of pics that become daily favs.

Of course, it would then make no sense to submit more than a couple of pics at a time unless you're a totally awesome artist, but if you ARE good enough to land 2 Daily Fav spots at once, then it shouldn't be a problem.

I think this is a sweet idea, but I haven't thought it through 100% yet. Let me know what you think.