Israeli forces massacre protesters in Rafah

[DBZgirl88]

[COLOR="#004a6f"]I'm getting pretty angry with Israelis. They keep lying about the things horrible things they do in Palestine and think they can actually get away with it. The Palestinians are always labeled as terrorists when suicide bombers attack Israelis. I don't think this is fair. Palestinians have the right to defend their homeland! The Palestinians are constantly being oppressed by the Israeli government and I think they should do everthing they can to get their homeland back. Although I don't completely approve of attacking Israeli civilians, the suicide bombers see them as the enemy as well because they are living in our homeland and approving of what their government does to us.

Whenever a suicide bomber attacks, Israelis respond by attacking refugee camps or destroying people's homes! And they always have some stupid exuse to back up their actions. "Oh, umm... the refugee camp was hiding other terrorists", or "Oh, that was the suicide bombers home". It's so stupid! They even end up killing innocent people, including children, in the proccess. "Oh, they were terrorists too". The five year old girl was a terrorist too huh? Why does the U.N let them get away with that?

My point is that [I]Israelis[/I] are the [I]real[/I] terrorists! They actaually mean to kill innocent people and they want to destroy us all. Why is it that in the news you always hear: "Israeli forces stated that..." or "Israeli forces denied that..."? They have no proof! They only says things and right away people believe them. Lies, all lies.

Anyway here is an article that only further proves my point:[/COLOR]


[SIZE=3][B]Israeli forces massacre protesters in Rafah[/B][/SIZE]
Wednesday 19 May 2004 10:19 AM GMT

[B]Israeli forces have fired on thousands of Palestinians peacefully protesting in the occupied Gaza Strip, leaving up to 20 dead and dozens injured.[/B]

Scenes of panic and carnage unfolded as Israeli helicopters fired missiles and occupation soldiers fired tank shells and machineguns at demonstrators in Rafah on Wednesday.

More than a dozen Palestinians have been confirmed killed, with witnesses and local medical staff telling Aljazeera up to 20 were feared dead.

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[B][SIZE=1]A dead youth is carried from a scene of carnage in Rafah [/SIZE] [/B]

At least 40 others - mainly civilians - were injured. The majority of those wounded were women and children, medical sources told Aljazeera's correspondent Samir Abu Shamala. Chaos swept the streets as survivors piled the wounded into vehicles.

Hospital floors were drenched with blood as doctors shouted for help and blood donations. Staff treated the wounded on the floor after quickly running out of beds.

More than 2000 Palestinians had been marching in protest against Israel's invasion of the neighbouring refugee camp.

The Israeli military has denied it deliberately targeted the protesters but said tank fire may have been responsible for the many Palestinian deaths.

The latest casualties raises to more than 40 Palestinians killed in Rafah refugee camp and the neighbouring city since Israel launched a massive assault on the camp early on Tuesday.

[B]Teenagers killed[/B]

Earlier, Israeli occupation forces shot dead four Palestinian civilians, including two teenagers, in the Rafah refugee camp.

Israeli soldiers killed Muhammad Abu Nasr, 16, in the besieged Tal al-Sultan neighbourhood of the impoverished camp and a 13-year-old boy.
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[B][SIZE=1]Palestinians say Israel is carrying out war crimes[/SIZE] [/B]

Khalil Abu Said, 37, was hit by an Israeli tank shell after coming out of his home carrying a white flag, said security sources.

Israeli troops had ordered all men to leave their homes and surrender their weapons. They also called on resistance fighters to surrender.

[B]Threats[/B]

Occupation soldiers have also ordered by loudspeaker all males over 16 to gather in one place or risk demolition of family homes.

Israel has threatened to carry out a systematic destruction of homes in the impoverished area since the start of the invasion.

Some residents of the Rafah camp said men were emerging from homes but feared they would be harmed.

Israeli tanks and infantry have poured into Rafah in defiance of international criticism, drawing UN and European Union criticism that the operation could make thousands of Palestinians homeless.


Aljazeera + Agencies

You can find this article at:
[url]http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/130B11F6-E96E-4B3B-93CB-55DDC8CE7FCF.htm[/url]

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I rest my case.[/COLOR]

[TheShinje]

[size=1][quote][color=#004a6f]My point is that [i]Israelis[/i] are the [i]real[/i] terrorists! They actaually mean to kill innocent people and they want to destroy us all.[/quote][/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=darkred]By saying that they mean to kill innocent people, are you saying that the likes of those in Hamas don't? Hamas don't even try to say theyre fighting terrorists! they just blow up buses full of commuters and Children. Both as bad as each other would be more of an unbiased observation. [/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=darkred]Destroiy us all? sounds like a very skewed conspiracy theory there.[/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=#004a6f][quote]Why does the U.N let them get away with that?
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[size=1][color=darkred]Perhaps because it was the U.N that gave this land to them. This land, was in fact, Israels originally before the Romans disperesed and destroyed it in A.D 70. Israel, along with Palestine rightfully deserve a homeland each. I support the movement for a Palestinian state. but also acknowledge that such will not curb violence, To Hamas, this is a holy war against the apostate Israel, to Israel this is a holy war against the apostate Palestine. Hamas has vowed to destroy Israel, invoking the name of Allah to their cause. With that in place, there will not be peace, even though both religions promote peace, odd?[/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=darkred]I wish people would actually think before creating controversial threads.[/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=#8b0000][quote][/color][color=#004a6f]I don't think this is fair. Palestinians have the right to defend their homeland! [/quote][/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=darkred]They don't have an official homeland, yet. Just settlements.[/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=#004a6f][quote]I think they should do everthing they can to get their homeland back. Although I don't completely approve of attacking Israeli civilians, the suicide bombers see them as the enemy as well because they are living in our homeland and approving of what their government does to us.[/quote][/color][/size]
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[size=1][color=darkred]The motive is quite right, they deserve a place they can call their own, but [/color][/size]
[size=1][color=darkred]Terrorism simply isn't the best way to do this, especailly when a great western power is rather obsessed with it right now, and they are on Israels side. I know most of the palestinians aren't terrists, and I don't cononde the senseless killing of anyone, just though i'd lear that up.[/color][/size]
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[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

Looks like someone has really bought into the anti-Semitist media outlets. Congrats, buddy, you don't know anything.

[DBZgirl88]

[COLOR="#004a6f"]Shinji, I'm not saying that I support suicide bombing of civilains, just the Israeli forces. I stated that in my post. I just don't like the way that Israel deals with it by senselessly (or purposely) attacking innocent palestinians. Why aren't they labeled as terrorists like the suicide bombers?

[QUOTE]They don't have an official homeland, yet. Just settlements.[/QUOTE]
They Israelis [I]stole[/I] the land from us. It was palestine before 1948.

[QUOTE]Destroy us all? sounds like a very skewed conspiracy theory there.[/QUOTE]Sorry I forgot to mention that I'm Palestinian too. And yes they do want to destroy us. They've commited many massacres so that provides proof.[/COLOR]

[Guest Midnight Rush]

Since you appear to be a little naive, let me explain to you something about life:

Fact 1. Israel has suffered more terrorist attacks than any other nation. Period.

Fact 2. It is the Palestinian's and the other insane Arabs attacking them.

Fact 3. These terrorits are not real men. They hide in hospitals, refugee camps, and schools, knowing that the correct integrity of the Israeli people will hunt them down even there, causing bad PR.

Fact 4. The Israeli people live in constant fear of attack. It is the government's responsibility to protect them. And that is what they are doing.

Fact 5. There is no way I can change your mind, as anyone who said the things you posted is obviously so far gone from reality that they are a lost cause, however hopefully others can use logic and intelligence to look at the geopolitcal spectrum of the world.

Questions for you:

Are the American soldiers in Iraq terrorists?

Were the British, American, and Russian soldiers of WW2 terrorists?

Were the Americans in Vietnam terrorists?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, I am sickened.

EDIT: I saw your other post and wanted to address it:

The land Israel occupies is their divine right to have. No one should take it from them because it is theirs. YOU were the one tresspassing, not them. YOU stole their land, and thankfully real nations like the US and UK had the sense to give it back to the Israelis.

No one tries to kill civilians in war except terrorists, and if you are Palestinian, I'm sorry but your "national army" is just a bunch of terrorists. Disgusting. If you are sick of civilians getting hurt then tell the fuking PLO to shut their mouths and fight like men not rats!

[DBZgirl88]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']Looks like someone has really bought into the anti-Semitist media outlets. Congrats, buddy, you don't know anything.[/quote][COLOR="#004a6f"]I am not anti-semetic. I have nothing against Jews. I am only against Zionism. Did I even mention the word "Jew" in my post?[/COLOR]

[Guest Midnight Rush]

If you aren't Anti Semetic then why the hell did you look up news on Aljezeera? Thats the most and I mean most anti-Semetic mainstream news organization... If you want the Real story, get it from an Unbiased source like the Strait's Times!

[DeathBug]

[color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms]Time for a history lesson, kiddies! The UN created the nation of Isreal in 1948, and it's location was choosen for a reason. There was no nation existing there, and no peoples staying there, save a few Jewish and Arab settlers. (Jews have [i]always[/i] lived in that land.) No nation existed there, the land that comprises Isreal makes up less than 1% of the land in the middle east, and it contains no oil.

No one cared about this rather forsaken land until 1948, but immediatly afterward, the neighboring Arab states tried to invade and destroy it. Why? Because they simply didn't want a Jewish state to exist near them.

The reason the Isrealis can't cede the West Bank to other nations is because that would put 80% of their population within range of Palestinean armaments. The reason they shouldn't cede any land is because they've [i]won[/i] the wars against their neighbors, and when you win wars, you don't give in to the demands of the vanquished.

You know, it's funny; Jews in neighboring Arab nations aren't even recognized as citizens, or allowed to practice their religon. In Isreal, Arabs are allowed to practice their religion, vote, and serve on the Knesset.

The reason that Isreal is so tough on errorists (and yes, they are terrorists) is because they're in far too much of a precarious situation (to say the least) to be lienient. Whereas Isreali troops have mistakenly killed Palestinean civilians, Palestinean bombers [i]inentionally[/i] target Isreali civilians. Hmmm...what's more conspicuous, Isreali soldiers accidentally shooting civilians during a riot, or a Palestinean bomber blowing himself up in a resteraunt or movie theater? :rolleyes: Yes, I can see the strategic military value of blowing up civilians out for lunch.[/color][/size][/font]

[DBZgirl88]

[QUOTE=Undefeated]Since you appear to be a little naive, let me explain to you something about life:

Fact 1. Israel has suffered more terrorist attacks than any other nation. Period.

Fact 2. It is the Palestinian's and the other insane Arabs attacking them.

Fact 3. These terrorits are not real men. They hide in hospitals, refugee camps, and schools, knowing that the correct integrity of the Israeli people will hunt them down even there, causing bad PR.

Fact 4. The Israeli people live in constant fear of attack. It is the government's responsibility to protect them. And that is what they are doing.

The land Israel occupies is their divine right to have. No one should take it from them because it is theirs. YOU were the one tresspassing, not them. YOU stole their land, and thankfully real nations like the US and UK had the sense to give it back to the Israelis.

No one tries to kill civilians in war except terrorists, and if you are Palestinian, I'm sorry but your "national army" is just a bunch of terrorists. Disgusting. If you are sick of civilians getting hurt then tell the fuking PLO to shut their mouths and fight like men not rats![/QUOTE][COLOR="#004a6f"]I believe the Palestinians are only said to be terrorists because they are the ones without a nation. The problem is that the Israeli [I]government[/I] is commiting the war crimes and apparently it seems wrong to label a government "terrorist".

I understand that the Palestinians start alot of the attacks but the Israeli government does not retaliate properly. Just tell me [I]why[/I] they should massacre people in refugee camps? That only genertates more anger on the Palstinain part and they bring more attacks to themselves. Why can they destroy people's homes for no reason at all and deprive Palestinians of the necessities of life? For instance, Israeli citizens get [B]75%[/B] of all the water resources in Palestine. What should the Palestinians do to gain rights?

It seems that everyone who has replied is not taking into account that the reason I made this post was because of the massacre that took place in Rafah. Do you support what they did? What about the massacres that took place in Sabra and Shatila in 1982? Do you support that too? You also call the palestinian militants "not real men". Do they have have large powerful tanks to hide behind? It is quite obvious that the Israeli forces have the upperhand when it comes to weapons. And they don't really hesistate to use them either. I'd say they are the ones who fight like rats and not like men.

I understand that Israelis believe that Israel is their land, but that is only in their religion. Muslims actaully believe differently about who the land belongs to. Therefore, I don't think that religion should be used as a argument in this debate.

One more thing. Since Israeli forces are purposely killing innocent civilians, they too are terrorists. How should the PLO fight huh? They don't attack civilians.[/COLOR]

[Guest Midnight Rush]

They didn't kill refugees on purpose! Check a real newspaper and talk to me again. They were attempting to kill several terrorists who were hiding like rats in a camp.

The fact that the PLO is technologically inferior tells me that they were idiots to start the war in the first place. Why would a deer charge at a veteran hunter? A smart one wouldn't. ANd don't say they are fighting for their homeland... it's not their.

[Genzo]

[COLOR=DarkGreen] The UN has never given the land of the palestinians to the israelis. they were a young and prosperous union at the time, created in 1946. The British under the rule of John balfour declared that Palestine would the homeland for the Zionist movement following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1917. Thirty One years later, Britain lifted its horrible Mandate on Palestine. 3 days later on the dreaded day of May 15, 1948 Zionist Gangs with the Help of the remaining British Soldiers captured the Minority of Palestine. Israel is not the homeland for the jews. Even in their own Faith it has been told to them that they shall roam the Earth forever as punishment for what they did to Moses after he liberated them from the Pharoh Rhamses II. They have commited atrocities beyond forgivness to my people I'm palestinian too) they will not be allowed to continue on this path of destruction. their leader is a war criminal. The leader before him is a war criminal. The Zionists are the threat to world peace. They are the terrorists. Not Hamas, not PLA, not PIJ, and not Alaqsa Martyrs Brigade. I do not believe that liberating your nation is a terrorist act. As for the civilians well they should have thought twice before they stole my grandfathers home and robbed him of the future he had with his children. they do not have the right to take Palestine. They will not continue for much long. They already know that they have lost. They know that they did not weaken us with the assasination of The Shiekh Ahmad Yassin or the Shaheed Abdel Aziz Al-Rantissi.

How would you feel if you were woken up at 3a.m. in the morning with a bunch of soldiers armed M-4A1 assault rifles telling you that you have three minutes to get you and your family out of the house so they demolish it. You and the rest of your family watches in horror as a bulldozer demolishes everything you worked for, and everything you held sacred, then the bulldozer driver comes to you and tells you that you have to pay the bill for his service?! Its not something that you would hold as a happy gesture.

Everyone tells us that Palestine does not belong to us. But, it belongs to some Russian immagrant that came here after the collapse of the FSU, so he has more land rights than a man whose family has been here for centuries.

You can not understand our pain. Afterall the Natives were robbed of their land by your ancestors.

If I was a True Jew, and I followed my religion as I have been instructed to, I would stay clear from the Middle East. For Matter how much i pray, how much Torah i read, how many holidays I attend, how many days I spend in the Sabbath, I would never be forgiven by my lord because I would have defied the rules set down from him to me. That is why true Jews live in Canada, Europe, Russia, and the U.S.A.

Jews have been denied the "Holy Land" by thier lord as an everlasting punishment for straying from the right path sent down to them from God to Moses and His brother.

If you believe so strongly that they deserve a homeland to live in, give them yours. Do not t force me to give up what I love so dearly and treasure so deeply. My Home Land-Palestine.[/COLOR]

[Guest Midnight Rush]

Wow. Um, dude that's cool. You sure you shouldn't tie a bomb to yourself and go to a Jewish daycare or something? Sounds like thats your career goal...geez. By the way the Israeli's were given that land by the God of Abraham, who is the father of the Arab people.

[DeathBug]

[quote name='Genzo][COLOR=DarkGreen'] I do not believe that liberating your nation is a terrorist act. As for the civilians well they should have thought twice before they stole my grandfathers home and robbed him of the future he had with his children. they do not have the right to take Palestine. [COLOR][/quote]

[color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms]That's such a convincing argument...except there was no nation, Palestinean or otherwise, in the land that is currently Isreal. Perhaps if Palestineans hadn't constantly killed Isreali civilians, then more Palestineans would be able to live peacefully in Isreal. [/color][/size][/font]

[Genzo]

[quote name='DeathBug][color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms]That's such a convincing argument...except there was no nation, Palestinean or otherwise, in the land that is currently Isreal. Perhaps if Palestineans hadn't constantly killed Isreali civilians, then more Palestineans would be able to live peacefully in Isreal. [/color][/size'][/font][/quote]Umm... No offense but we constantly killing Israelis? You always hear about a suicide bomber, but you don't hear of the massacres that happened in Lebenon, in Jenin, Hebron, and Nablus.
They stop Ambulances from taking the wounded civilian/refugees to make sure that they pass away. What do you think of that? If you got shot and I flattened the tires of the ambulance that was supposed help you sustain life, you would not appreciate it, would you?
The person who made this quote against me, I would like him to give me his email so that I can send you a video on MSN that proves that I am right and you are WRONG!

[DeathBug]

[quote name='Genzo'] Umm... No offense but we constantly killing Israelis. you always hear about a suicide bomber, but you dont hear of the massacres that happened in Lebenon, in Jenin Hebron, and Nablus. [/quote]

[color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms] Actually, I have heard of those events. (Well, Lebenon and Nablus, anyway.) I do not condonee verything done by Isreal, but they are the exceptions to Isreali action, not the rule.

What bothers me is that you have no problem with 'constantly killing Isrealis'. If this mentality is telling of the Palestinean population, this might be where the problem lies. [/color][/size][/font]


[quote name='Genzo'] They stop Ambulances from taking the wounded civilian/refugees to make sure that they pass away. what do you think of that. If you got shot and i flattened the tires of the ambulance that was supposed help you sustain life, you would not appreciate it, would you.[/quote]

[color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms] Out of curiosity, where did you get this information? I ask because it would be entirely in opposition to the Isreali national interest to do so. I sense propoganda.[/color][/size][/font]


[quote name='Genzo']Um the person who made this Quote against me, i would like him to give me his email so that i am able to send you a video.[/quote]

[color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms]I'm not making a 'Quote against you', I'm just voicing an opposing point of view. And I don't give out my e-mail address to random folks on the Internet; it's just not smart.[/color][/size][/font]

[Genzo]

[quote name='DeathBug][color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms]What bothers me is that you have no problem with 'constantly killing Isrealis'. If this mentality is telling of the Palestinean population, this might be where the problem lies. [/color][/size'][/font][/quote][COLOR=DarkGreen]No its Not. the problem lies with the ZIONISTS. get that through please. its not our fault. I do not want to sound like a child but seriously, they started it. And it is my duty as a Palestinian to finish it. You can't really blame Palestinians for hating Israeli citizens too. Afterall, they are sucking all the benefits from our land.[/COLOR]

[quote name='DeathBug][color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms] Out of curiosity, where did you get this information? I ask because it would be entirely in opposition to the Isreali national interest to do so. I sense propoganda.[/color][/size'][/font][/quote][COLOR=DarkGreen]That's my point. the Propaganda goes against us. Israel has so far killed more palestinians then those who died in the WTC on that fatefull day. And whats really funny, Israel is an ally, a person you think can be trusted. even as I type away, they are planning some sort of take down of the US so that it can achieve its goal of being a world dominate superpower. That is why they must be stopped! As for the source of my quote, I have read on several known news website INCLUDING BBC, CNN, and Aljazeera. Notice that they are not all arab news networks, so its not propaganda. No offense but...OWNED![/color]

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

[quote name='Genzo][COLOR=DarkGreen']Israel has so far killed more palestinians then those who died in the WTC on that fatefull day. And whats really funny, Israel is an ally, a person you think can be trusted. even as I type away, they are planning some sort of take down of the US so that it can achieve its goal of being a world dominate superpower. That is why they must be stopped! As for the source of my quote, I have read on several known news website INCLUDING BBC, CNN, and Aljazeera. Notice that they are not all arab news networks, so its not propaganda. No offense but...OWNED![/color][/quote]

Holy moley. Okay, people let's leave this thread alone. I for one am going to start a thread about how New Zealand is planning world domination by using sheep in very clever but disturbing ways.

Also, Palestine was a name made up by the Romans who chased all the Jews out of the region in the 2nd century A.D. Arab armies entered (for the first time) and controlled the area for about 20 years in the early 7th century A.D. Since that time the land changed hands countless times. But one thing is undeniable--the Jews have far more history in that region than any Arab can hope to claim. The idea of a true "Palestinian" state is a political tactic.

[Xander Harris]

Wow... this thread took off like a shot. It wasn't even there during school, and when I get home, it's on it's second page! Pretty interesting discussion, though.

O.k. My opinion. I am a fairly conservative Christian, but I believe Israel has no divine right to the land. The Jews are no longer God's chosen people. God's people is bigger than one ethnic group, now. Now, all people can be saved through Christ. The Church is God's chosen people now, not the Jews. Some Jews reject Chirst, some accept him. But they are no different now than any of the rest of us. That was part of the significance of the curtain ripping in the temple when Christ died. The barrier between God and Man, Jew and Gentile has been removed. Everyone now has access to God through Jesus. It's not appropriate or relevant to the topic for me to go into more theological detail on this...

Now, out of the world of theology and into the world of politics. Yes, the Israelies were wrong to take the Palestinian land. But that was fifty years ago. Now, Isreal is quite a populous and established nation. Two wrongs don't make a right. Was the U.S. wrong to take the Indian lands? Yes. Would it be wrong for the Indians to now strap on suicide bombs and attack white children to avenge their forefathers? Yes. No offence or anything, but get over it, Palestinians. You have killed thousands of innocents with your damned suicide bombers. Far more than have ever died at Israeli hands. You target women and children. For years and years this has gone on. Finally, Israel has had enough, and is striking back with everything in their power. They have warned you for years to cease your attacks, yet the bombings continued. So now you are getting a taste of your own medicine. And Israel's tactics are working. A story in the recent issue of Time claims that there have been very few terrorist attacks in Israel since they began to employ desperate tactics. They have security just about everywhere, and are determined to eliminate Hamas. The Palestinians haven't cared about killing innocents, so why should the Israelies?

Now, I don't necessarily condone the Israeli tactics. But I can certainly see how things got to this point. The Israelies may have perpetrated the first crime, but it was a very minor crime indeed compared to the carnage and killing the Palestinian terrorists have subjegated them to for 50 years. The Israelies they kill are too young to have participated in the 'nation stealing'. So Israel has decided to protect itself by any means necessary. It may not be right, but it does seem to be necessary. Everyone from Carter to Bush has tried the diplomatic tact. Now it's time for the extreme approach. Not pretty, but the Palestinians have forced them into it.

And did I mention how ludicrous it is to waste this many lives over a piece of land that small? The U.S. engaged in a global war started by a few angry Palestinians who couldn't let the past go. Who couldn't leave one tiny scrap of desert alone in the name of peace.

Oh, and the 'benefits are being sucked from our land'? Maybe if you weren't so hostile to foreigners you could get some aid money. Maybe if Hamas was gone the U.S. and Israel would be willing to give you a state of your own. No, that's not a maybe. That's a fact. That's the much vaunted Roadmap to Peace in a nutshell. But it will never happen, because Israelies and Palestinians alike will never agree to let the past rest in peace. They will fight on for centuries, avenging the deaths of their great-great-great grandparents. The whole thing is so rediculous.

[James]

[color=#707875]I was asked by a member to close this thread, and I'm going to. It's not that this isn't worthy of discussion, it's just that [i]already [/i]terms like "anti-semitic" are being thrown around. Unfortunately both sides can get pretty fiery...and both sides can be equally wrong.

I don't think there's any doubt (to an objective observer) that both sides in this conflict have conducted atrocities. Both sides are pretty much equally guilty of creating violence and desperation. The back-and-forth thing just doesn't work and it doesn't get anyone anywhere.[/color]