Venting Anger

[Meggido]

Okay. This post is for me to vent anger at this forum and the way i have been treated in my first month as a newbie. Moderators do not delete this as i want everyone to see it! First off i am only a newbie to this site and not to forums, as i have been part of another forum which treats its newbies a lot better.

The 1st and formost of my problems is the fact that no one takes care of the newbies. On my other forum they have a thread called "adopt a newbie" where older members take of a newbie and teach them the basics of the site. This is including the site FAQs which are confusing to understand on this site. I have been called illiterate and i'm sure it could have happened to other people.

Secondly. What's the deal with punctuation? Punctuation is something people should only have to worry about in school or work. I was called illiterate because of the reason that i cannot be bothered tapping the shift key or the caps key everytime a capital letter is needed. The Australian forum i use only worries about punctuation in terms of full stops and possibly commas. They also don't bag a person for not using appropriate punctuation.

Thirdly. Topic headings. Myself and probably others will post on threads under what a topic heading asks. If a thread has a heading asking about RPG's, i will post about RPGs on any system. i should not have my posts deleted because of this reason and this site has an edit tool unlike the other forum. If a post of mine does not cover the intended topic then i should be notified by a PM rather than having someone put a post up about it that everyone will see and then have a moderator going to the extreme of deleting the post. I should get a chance to fix what is in the post. People would have less confusion if there was a section for each company, i.e. nintendo or sony. This would at least mean i knew what system i was posting for rather than taking a guess because i only read the two or three posts before the one i will add if the topic seems clear enough to understand.

Because of these reasons i will not be seen on this site for a month in hope that these problems will be fixed.

[wrist cutter]

[quote name='Meggido']Punctuation is something people should only have to worry about in school or work.[/quote]

u no wut ur dam rite if i dun wanna use puncshuashon i wont and no1 on this forum is gunna stop me bcuz puncshuashon is really hard to type i meen wtf y is the squiggly line w/ da dot thing under it all the way by the shift key witch is also really hard to type i mean cum on how big do these people think my hands are lol well anyway im totally behind u and i think otekuboreds shuld fix these problems right away my fingers are getting tired from all the puncshuashon already LOL :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :mad: :mad: :mad: :flaming: :flaming: :mad: :mad:

[Zen]

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If you dislike the way the moderators carry out their business, an important job it may be, then why don't you simply NOT join the OBs. Maybe its just not for you. As for the whole puncuation and capitalization thing. Simply put, the mods obviously want the OBs apart from 'lesser' forums by having the members post in this mannerism they call intelligent. Which means correct spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Some people may not be as acute in 'net lingo' as you may be. Or maybe its simply because it just looks ugly. Who knows, its basically their site, and where hear to enjoy what they provide.

As for the whole posting problem, you should understand that if a mod were to have to go threw the task of PMing every person who posts out of hand, they would never be alowd rest. Just be sure that before you post that you fully grasp the concept on the thread posting and that your not mindlessly ranting about off-subject things on a thread which has a clear subject.

As for the newbie deal. Many newbiess make mistakes, thats why everytime they screw up, a link to the rules page is clearly indicated, usually bolded and underlined, by the moderators... so if you get busted multiple times, then its really your problem for not reading the rules the moderators appoint.

But hey, if you need some one to coach you threw out the OBs, PM me, and I'll do the best I can. I've actually been a member longer than indicated. So no worries.

Oh, and one more thing. If you think that the mods are gonna change their rules simply because you find them distasteful and are going to leave the site for a month in hopes they will be changed, be prepare to be highly dissapointed my egotistical freind. You beleive that the entire boards will be changed over the complaints of a single newbie. Snow balls change in Hell, buddy. And so, I laugh hysterically.

Peace and Love,
Flux


P.S.- ULX, if I make any mistakes, its surely not because I'm lazy, but that I am not a master speller, as I'll admit. Its not as if I posted in a manner such as wrist cutter did (in sarcasm).[/color][/size]

[Onix]

[quote name='wrist cutter']u no wut ur dam rite if i dun wanna use puncshuashon i wont and no1 on this forum is gunna stop me bcuz puncshuashon is really hard to type i mean wtf y is the squiggly line w/ da dot thing under it all the way by the shift key witch is also really hard to type i mean cum on how big do these people think my hands are lol well anyway im totally behind u and i think otekuboreds shuld fix these problems right away my fingers are getting tired from all the puncshuashon already LOL :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :mad: :mad: :mad: :flaming: :flaming: :mad: :mad:[/quote]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][SIZE=1]And thus, I take a liking to wrist cutter.

Megiddo, if you go away for a month for this reason...bye. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya (God I love that line). If you don't like using proper English, don't come here. If you don't feel like reading the rules, don't come here. And if you're going to be an egocentric prick (and this is coming from the man who has an ego the size of North Dakota) about this whole thing, don't come here.

I understand you have your qualms with the system, everyone does. But the mods and admins have put into effect some rules and if you don't like the rules, then you're not welcome. Sorry, but that's a fact of like.

Let's say, as an example, you run a website where it's against the rules to put more than 10 smilies in a single post, and I go around doing what wrist cutter just did. You delete some of my posts, I get mad, and I say:
:flaming: :flaming: :mad: :flaming: :flaming: I hate you! I'm not coming to this thread anymore until you stop deleting my smilies! :flaming: :flaming: :mad: :mad: :flaming: :flaming:
What are you going to do? Are you going to boot me, or are you going to go "one person is unhappy, so I'll change all the rules just to keep them happy?"

I think the answer is clear.

-ULX

PS. ReFlux, you've got some errors of your own. Just letting you know, but it makes you seem a bit hypocritical.
PPS. wrist cutter, your sarcasm came through quite well this time.
PPPS. Megiddo, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just being a realist.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

Newbies are treated quite civilly on this site, to be honest. The moderators here are reasonable enough people I think. I've not run into any WORSE moderators on other forums as far as attitude goes, to be honest, but that's not to say anyone here is bad in the least (I've just been lucky perhaps, or I pick my forums well). If a new member's first post is "umm hi i'm new here so if u wanna be my freind pm me k?" then I think a moderator directs him/her to the site rules rather than take any other, less friendly measures.

Honestly, this forum is better regulated than any other I've been on so far, so leaving it in search of another similar one is pointless.

[Guest Heezay]

[QUOTE=Meggido]
Because of these reasons i will not be seen on this site for a month in hope that these problems will be fixed.[/QUOTE]


So long. We won't miss you.

[DeadSeraphim]

[font=Arial][size=1][color=Indigo]Topic headings are like headlines. It's not like they tell you the whole thread, it tells you what its about and tries to catch your eye (usually). Generally you HAVE to read the bloody posts inside or you will post off-topic rubbish because, like I said, topic headings aren't out to advertise the entire thread.

As an example, had I just read your topic heading then posted, you would've ended up with a post about how I like to vent my frustration and anger, not on how you can't follow rules and logic.

EDIT
And if I recall correctly, an 'Adopt-A-Newbie' concept has been brought up a few times before, but turned down because it would be a tad hard to run effectively (or so I remember).
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[TheShinje]

[QUOTE=Meggido]
Secondly. What's the deal with punctuation? Punctuation is something people should only have to worry about in school or work. I was called illiterate because of the reason that i cannot be bothered tapping the shift key or the caps key everytime a capital letter is needed. The Australian forum i use only worries about punctuation in terms of full stops and possibly commas. They also don't bag a person for not using appropriate punctuation.

Because of these reasons i will not be seen on this site for a month in hope that these problems will be fixed.[/QUOTE]Spelling and punctuation is a big plus for otakuboards! I hate going to forums where there is just one line and several omgs! It really wears on you and you get nothing out of it, except for maybe, a partially rotted brain. :p

Oh, you will leave for a month, not even follow this up with a discussion and just hope everybody amends to your will? What kind of commitment do you have for this idea anyway?

Perhaps you better just stick with the forums that give you such liberties as slack grammar, meaninglesss posts and tedium. There must be a billion forums that are liberal with their rules to this extent. OtakuBoards is NOT that place.

Goodbye.

[Hevn]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=RoyalBlue][B]See that word under my name? It says [COLOR=Purple]"New Member"[/COLOR]. And i haven't been treated like how you said you were treated. Before I even signed up I already read the rules, the faqs, and completely studied and loved this entire forum which I visit everyday. Maybe this place is just not for you and I will really appreciate it if you stop insulting it.[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]

[James]

[quote name='Meggido']The 1st and formost of my problems is the fact that no one takes care of the newbies. On my other forum they have a thread called "adopt a newbie" where older members take of a newbie and teach them the basics of the site. This is including the site FAQs which are confusing to understand on this site. I have been called illiterate and i'm sure it could have happened to other people.[/quote][color=#707875][/color]
[color=#707875]You're right in the sense that we don't have an "adopt a newbie" program.

But you have to understand that we are a very specific kind of site; we are not interested in sitting down and going through a lengthy process where we teach everyone how to behave here. Not only is that a difficult thing to do for a site this large, but it should also be a moot point, because we want to attract people who are [i]already [/i]behaving in a desirable way at the very start.

So, you could say that our "target audience" consists of people who want civil, intelligent discussion and a friendly atmosphere. So we shape our rules around that concept. This does mean that we aren't very forgiving of people with awful post quality, but we can't afford to be. Ultimately we have to serve the audience that we've chosen to attract.[/color]

[quote=Meggido]
Secondly. What's the deal with punctuation? Punctuation is something people should only have to worry about in school or work. I was called illiterate because of the reason that i cannot be bothered tapping the shift key or the caps key everytime a capital letter is needed. The Australian forum i use only worries about punctuation in terms of full stops and possibly commas. They also don't bag a person for not using appropriate punctuation.[/quote][color=#707875][/color]
[color=#707875]What you've mentioned here is a really critical point; you can't be bothered tapping the shift key.

I'm not trying to bag you -- and I hope nobody is -- I'm just trying to explain to you that OtakuBoards is a site for people who [i]can [/i]be bothered typing the shift key. It's for people who [i]want [/i]to be bothered. Do you see what I mean? That's really the target audience we have here.

But having said that, I want to be very clear about something. We do not expect everyone to have perfect grammar and spelling. The quality of this post of yours is totally fine and acceptable for OtakuBoards. So I don't see any problem there.

If you feel that someone has been unfairly attacking you for no reason, then by all means, feel free to bring up that issue with me via PM. Although we have rules and standards, there is [i]no excuse [/i]for staff or other members to be rude to newbies. That's not what we're about.

But this does not mean that newbies can get away with ignoring the way the site is set up. You are agreeing to our rules when you register -- so you've made that agreement. If you want to post here, you obviously have to follow that agreement. Staff will remind you of this and they will help you if you need it.

But if someone has been unfair or rude to you, that's also unacceptable. Yes, we like a tightly run site...but no, we have no interest in making people feel like crap for no reason.[/color]

[quote=Meggido]
Thirdly. Topic headings. Myself and probably others will post on threads under what a topic heading asks. If a thread has a heading asking about RPG's, i will post about RPGs on any system. i should not have my posts deleted because of this reason and this site has an edit tool unlike the other forum. If a post of mine does not cover the intended topic then i should be notified by a PM rather than having someone put a post up about it that everyone will see and then have a moderator going to the extreme of deleting the post. I should get a chance to fix what is in the post. People would have less confusion if there was a section for each company, i.e. nintendo or sony. This would at least mean i knew what system i was posting for rather than taking a guess because i only read the two or three posts before the one i will add if the topic seems clear enough to understand.[/quote][color=#707875][/color]
[color=#707875]Let's be really serious here; there's nothing "extreme" about deleting a post. If your post is off topic, you'll either be asked to get back on topic, or it'll be deleted. So what? If it gets deleted, it gets deleted. If you don't want posts to be deleted, then you have to ensure that they're kept on topic.

Obviously, it's always important to consider what the actual topic is about. If the topic is about RPGs in general, then that's great -- you can talk about RPGs in general.

If it's about RPGs for PlayStation 2, then that's great -- you can talk about RPGs on PlayStation 2. I don't know what the confusion is there. But if there [i]is [/i]confusion, you can always as the Moderators to clarify the rules via PM. Or, you can use the Suggestions/Feedback forum to ask about it.

Regarding the second part of your complaint, we have used a sticky thread to explain how the Play It forum works.

If the topic is about a specific game...then it's [i]about that game[/i], regardless of whether the game is on PS2/Xbox/GameCube, etc. Some games are multi-platform. If you're in the Soul Calibur II thread, for example, you can talk about [i]any [/i]version of that game.

If you are unsure about what the thread relates to...there are two indicators. Firstly there's the thread title itself (which will either list a generic name like "evolution of the platformer" or a specific game title like "super mario sunshine") and then there is the first post. The first post should give you all the information you need.

Remember, we're expecting members on OtakuBoards to demonstrate some level of quality in their discussions. So, it's not just about leaping into a thread and posting something -- it's about reading what others have to say, and knowing what the subject matter is. If you don't enjoy that, or if it feels like too much effort, OtakuBoards may not be the place for you. That's all it comes down to really.[/color]

[quote=Meggido]
Because of these reasons i will not be seen on this site for a month in hope that these problems will be fixed.[/QUOTE][color=#707875][/color]
[color=#707875]I don't consider these issues to be problems -- I consider these issues to be a matter of personal taste. Believe me, we've gone through great lengths to streamline the site and design it so that it targets a very specific audience.

Obviously, we come across quite a few people who are uncomfortable with that. If you fit into that group, then that's okay -- you tried OB and you didn't like it. No problem.

But this isn't going to actually invoke a fundamental change in the site's direction. We have been striving to reach higher and higher quality for several years now; we're not about to stop.

But by all means, if we can make the rules any easier to understand, or if you feel that you've been treated unfairly by someone, you can [i]always [/i]talk to me about it. I'm more than happy to listen to complaints like that, and I'm more than happy to deal with people who are doing the wrong thing at the site.

EDIT: To those of you who were rude to Meggido in this thread...you are all one step closer to being banned. That's not the kind of attitude I want to see on the site, considering that Megiddo didn't sit there and flame all of you -- he simply complained about the boards. Please bear that in mind.[/color]