Politicly fair?

[lea]

Say you are pretty well off financially. You have a high paying job, fairly rich. You worked hard (Or not) for what you earned. You can buy brand name whatever, whenever you want. You never thought twice about spending money for anything.



Say you [b]are[/b] the not so well off person. You struggle to pay your bills to feed and cloth your family, to get heat, to get your kids the best you possibly can.

Somone in your family gets really really sick, and you cant get treatment unless you can pay. Somone you deeply love is going to die, because you cant earn enough to help pay for them to get well.



If you were the person well off, would you think it fair if taxes were raised to help pay for medicinal things and such for people not as well off as you? You dont know the people you are helping. You earned it, why should you part with it?

[wrist cutter]

[quote name='lea2385']If you were the person well off, would you think it fair if taxes were raised to help pay for medicinal things and such for people not as well off as you?[/quote]

No, absolutely not. What if the next day I get a terrible disease that only one doctor in the world can cure and I have to spend my entire fortune (assuming I'm the well off guy) to get him to help me? I'm screwed if the goverment is taxing the hell out of me to help other people. No one would be helping me after all, because I am rich, or was anyway.

So to sum up: rich people should not be forced to help the poor. Just because they don't need all their money [i]now[/i] doesn't mean they never will.

Since I'm such a cool guy though, if I were really rich I'd probably donate to help the dying poor guy anyway. But I'll be damned if the government is going to outright [i]take[/i] my money for him.

[Dan L]

On the other hand in the UK, we have the NHS, which everyone who pays taxes, pays for, whether they ever use it or not. Whic h means that even people who can't afford treatments, get it.

However, one of the biggest problems with the NHS is that people have become accustomed to getting anything they need for free- even if they don't [i]really[/i] need it that badly, which is a drain on the money they recieve, and also the NHS has a bad habit of employing managers over the doctors who haven't the slightest clue about medicine and how it would actually be best to use the money.

Essentially it's a great system, the problem is that it's both run by and used by idiots, a lot of the time.

[Okita]

[QUOTE=wrist cutter]
So to sum up: rich people should not be forced to help the poor. Just because they don't need all their money [i]now[/i] doesn't mean they never will.
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If everyone thought as you did, this world is doom....

...or we'd all become capitalist...

...wait we already ARE all capitalist (cept the commies)

...so where does that leave us?

The rich helping the poor has so many argument for and against that to even attempt to debate will bring out thesis length document, we can argue all day and resolve absolutely nothing (and thus become politician).

So i will say this, there will always be rich people that don't deserve being rich, their will be always poor people that are poor because of their own fault and none other, and their will always be poeple that are rich because they deserve it, and poor even though they do not.

Our society try to recognise to later pair and pray the former pair doesn't come up, unfornately for our society, they do, more often than the later, so you'll never be able to please everyone.

However, sometime, you have to please the majority and sometime you must appease the few minority.

Recognise this for what it is and accept it, no it's not fair, but neither was the system before this so what makes this one less a pain than the one before?

As a saying that I am particularly fond of remind us:

Life's a B****, then you die...

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE=Okita]If everyone thought as you did, this world is doom....
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So what do you suggest? That all rich people be taxed to the point that they're lowered down to a medium level income, thus leveling themselves out with the middle class and raising the poor to the middle class as well? Hmm, a classless society. Where have I heard THAT before?

[Guest Vash331]

Well i don't think the taxes would be so extreme to get rid of the social classes. I personally have no pity for those weaklings who decide they'd rather go do drugs during school or skip, and let their grades slip, so that when they grow up they're total and complete losers, i say let them die. :devil:

But i think if you have the money u should at least try to help these weaker people. And besides not all of them are pathetic losers, a lot of them didn't even have the oppurtunity to get a good education and make a name for themselves.

[Okita]

[quote name='wrist cutter']So what do you suggest? That all rich people be taxed to the point that they're lowered down to a medium level income, thus leveling themselves out with the middle class and raising the poor to the middle class as well? Hmm, a classless society. Where have I heard THAT before?[/quote]

No, I'm just making an object statement, if their is no humanitarian around the world, and everyone think self > society then civilization collapse because self interest of the invidual outweight social security of the collective.

In other word [I]someone[/I] has to think about the poor, [I] someone[/I] has to champion the needy, and if every middle to upper class person thinks that tax is a evil cancerous entity that was design by the government deprive them of their hard earn cash, (which I admit has some basis to the fact ;) ) and follow suit by acting upon that statement, then their would be nothing but anarchy.

The statement was broad and general, based on a concept and not meant to be taken as a statement that attack specific people in this circumstance.

I don't live in America, thus I cannot comment on how fair the tax system their really is (as I do not study law and commerce either) however I can say that morally it would be a decent society that can support everyone and not just the rich.

However, since that is a pipe dream, government can only make so many people happy, no matter what they do their will always be people the b**** and moan about the current affair of state.

I'm suggesting that you live with it because as an individual their is nothing you can do short of organising and supporting lobby against it.

as I mention in my early post: NO it's not fair, but then neither is life....

(excuse the tirade, feel free to ignore the rant)

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]No, I don't think it would be fair for the rich to pay steeper taxes so the poor can benefit.

If you reside in the US you are probably aware that our tax percentage increases with the amount of income you make. This entire principle is ridiculous. I honestly think that our country would greatly benefit from a flat tax.

However, that is neither here nor there when it comes to America's health care system. Our problem lies in HMO's and the litigious nature of the American people. Is it reasonable for a doctor to have to pay $200,000+ of his income for insurance just because the threat of malpractice suits are so great? Our problem is the power that the HMO's hold over us...medicine should not be confined to a middleman. Its entire structure needs to be torn down and rebuilt...how? I honestly am not nearly smart enough to know [b]how[/b but I do believe it is imperative and will happen with in the next decade.
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[future girl]

A few days ago I got cut at Toys r' Us. I haven't had insurance since I was like seven though so I didn't go to the doctor because I knew the bill was going to be insanely high and we don't have the type of money right now. When my sister saw it though she nearly killed me for not going to the hospital, so somewhere close to midnight we went to the ER. We were there for like six hours until I got attended. I got a tetanus shot and six stitches, they were done with me in less then 15 minutes. How much am I paying for that? $2000-$3000. The hospital had a sale, I suppose you could call it, going on. If we could pay $750 up-front at that very moment we'd only have to pay $200 more for the doctor's bill. We couldn't though so they added an extra two thousand dollars to our bill and quite frankly if I can't afford to pay Health Insurance where the hell am I going to get the money to pay that.

I don't think it's necessarily right to tax the rich man more, but a lot of the times I don't think it's right to tax the poor person the same amount because the type of gap it makes on a rich person's wallet is nothing in comparison to the gap in the poor person's. I mean I've gotten so many scars that should have been looked at by a doctor but never have been because it's ridiculously expensive. I wouldn't have gotten this checked out had my sister not forced me to go. I honestly wouldn't mind paying the high taxes even if I wasn't well off if I could at least [i]see[/i] that money go to something that benefits me directly, like health care. But yea, I'm doomed to die in debt unless I like win the lottery or marry some rich guy, both of which I really don't see happening at this point.