Spiderman 2

[Kazuko]

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Edited October 11, 2017 by Kazuko

[Transtic Nerve]

Two words can describe the best part of this movie

HAL SPARKS

Other than the fact Hal Sparks had a cameo, this movie blew goat nuts. Over dramatized scenes (By Spider-man and Doc Oc), needless scenes (like MJ running through the little park in the dress... WTF was that? Or when they visit the grave of Ben, or that whole scene where Peter seemingly trips and falls three times followed by the walk of confidence, completely irrelevent) and could someone please get Tobey Maguire some acting lessons, jesus. I didn't know why he looked so confused for half the movie before I realized thats his normal face.... he could try to open his mouth more when he talks or perhaps smile instead of that stupid smirk he keeps making. Hal Sparks was by far the best actor in this movie, and he had less than a minute of film time. The acting was horrid in the first movie, it didn't get any better this time.

I must say though, the fight scene between Spider-Man and Doc Oc on the train was one of the best fight scenes in any movie I've seen.

The ending kinda sucked too. It's like they couldn't decide where to end the thing. So they just flipped through and pointed randomly and said here.

The addition of Dr. Connors was a nice touch though. People not familiar with Spider-man will not have realized that.

Oh and one more thing.... [spoiler]the whole... um horror scene involving Doc Oc when he is in the hospital.... WAY overdone. Could the screaming stop, i mean seriously, I didn't know someone could scream so much.[/spoiler]

[Guest lavalamp]

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]Two words can describe the best part of this movie

HAL SPARKS

Other than the fact Hal Sparks had a cameo, this movie blew goat nuts. Over dramatized scenes (By Spider-man and Doc Oc), needless scenes (like MJ running through the little park in the dress... WTF was that? Or when they visit the grave of Ben, or that whole scene where Peter seemingly trips and falls three times followed by the walk of confidence, completely irrelevent) and could someone please get Tobey Maguire some acting lessons, jesus. I didn't know why he looked so confused for half the movie before I realized thats his normal face.... he could try to open his mouth more when he talks or perhaps smile instead of that stupid smirk he keeps making. Hal Sparks was by far the best actor in this movie, and he had less than a minute of film time. The acting was horrid in the first movie, it didn't get any better this time.

I must say though, the fight scene between Spider-Man and Doc Oc on the train was one of the best fight scenes in any movie I've seen.

The ending kinda sucked too. It's like they couldn't decide where to end the thing. So they just flipped through and pointed randomly and said here.

The addition of Dr. Connors was a nice touch though. People not familiar with Spider-man will not have realized that.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree. Tobey Maquire is terrible. Point blank period. He has that Keanu Reeves "stupefied" look and I absolutely hate it. I don't understand how people like him get managers and big films like this but more power to the talentless hack because it gives people like me hope that I can make it rich off of my "I'm a wet puppy getting ran over" face.

I was extremely disappointed but then again the first movie was kind of like "duuuuh" when I watched it so I shouldn't have expected any differently. I'll give the movie credit where it's due [not really anywhere] and move on with my life despite wasting my precious money.

[Kazuko]

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Edited October 11, 2017 by Kazuko

[Guest lavalamp]

If you can't see why the acting is bad then...

I don't know. I cringed watching Tobey in his "emotional moments" if you want to even call them that. I don't know why I cringed, but I know that I don't like to. He just makes the movie more awkward than it needs to be. It's like having Cinderella played by Kathy Bates...

Just... no.

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE=Kazuko][size=1]
Tell me, why was I not surprised by that post? :P[/quote]
Why, I have no idea hat you are talking about :p

[quote]Overdramatized sequences? I don't remember any scene that was 'overdramatized' between Doc Ock and Spiderman, I'd like to know which you're talking about.[/quote]
In this instance, I was refering to the overdramatization of the power Doc Oc had. When he got his arms and went to that old shack on the river, he stood on his tentacles and raised his arms up and did that overdramatized laugh/scream of power. Spider-Man also did that when he [spoiler]tried to stop the train[/spoiler] (I mean the faces lol Come on now) and when the [spoiler]wall almost fell on MJ[/spoiler], he yells NOOO and the camera zooms out really quick. I just thought it was rather ridiculous and over dramtaized. I was laughing out loud on those scenes. My boyfriend hit me a few times to tell me to shut up.

[quote]Then you complain about a funny sequence that was 'needless'?
One, it was showing Peter adjusting to life after [spoiler]giving up his hero role[/spoiler] and two:it was also FUNNY. Lighten up a little man.[/quote]
It was slightly funny, I never said it wasn't funny. I said it was needless. This is supposed to be a movie that wants to be taken seriously, but when you keep scenes like that, i simply cannot take this movie as anything serious.

[quote]Seriously though, I don't know what you mean by 'confused look' or smirk.[/quote]
Did you even watch the movie? Through 90% of the movie when they actually showed Tobey Maguire, he had this ridiculous face looking out into nowhere. The other 10% was him smirking when he thought about or saw MJ.

[quote]I will agree with you on the park scene, but when [spoiler]murdering a room of doctors with claws, it isn't exactly quiet. Last time I checked doctors were human.[/spoiler][/quote]
Yeah but it sounded like an old Friday the 13th movie in there. [quote]The play on all the horror elements also ruined the seriousness of the movie. What doctor just has a chainsaw laying around? Also I'm nott saying the screaming was not needed, I said there was WAY to much of it. None of the male doctors were screaming, only the female ones and it seemed it was just that one.[/quote]

[quote]The ending was a little 'underwhelming' considering all that happened. But it didn't point random things. How was it random? It transitioned between the characters, told what happens with them, and wraps up. Isn't that how all movies end?[/quote]
Usually a movie ends with one or two points or some sort of closing or they leave you hanging in suspence, usually how they would end a movie they know has a sequel. There were several places they could have ended the movie: [spoiler]Right after Doc Oc knocks the thing into the river and Spidey and MJ go flying away and maybe even after their talk, though I personally wouldn't have ended it there, it could have been a good closing scene. Also after Harry find the Green Goblin stuff. It could have really done well had it closed there leaving the viewer wondering what is to happen in the 3rd installment. Thats personally where I would have ended it. They also could have ended it right before they actually did, after the "wedding", skipping the scene running through the park ofcourse, and Spidey flying through the air after the police go by. I believe they added a short little extra scene in there I though wasn't needed. But I could be wrong. Or they could have one a litle further and ended it with something else, although that would have been pushing it. [/spoiler]

[quote]And how else do you expect the characters to act? I don't see why you can't accept that atleast some of the people here had talent. Really though, what's so dreadfully, absolutely horrid about the acting here, why be so overcritical?
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Some of the people did have talent. I thought Alfred Molina, J.K. Simmons, and Rosemary Harris did a particularly good job. I loved the character of Doc Oc and I think JJ added some professional and serious comic relief to the movie. Aunt May had a bigger and better role in this movie, as she did in the comics... the mentor of Peter Parker.

Tobey Maguire cannot act, Kirsten Dunst was ok at best. But my main beef with the movie is the main character cannot act. In all honestly, Keanu Reeves was better in Matrix than Tobey Maguire is in Spider-Man. I dispised the first one cause i think that it didn't deserve to be the great movie it was. It looked like they pulled actors off the street. This movie was no better in my opinion as far as acting is concerned. I simply cannot see this movie as a serious movie because of that. It was entertaining sure, but it didn't make me believe that i was in this world where Spider-Man fights even villians. Thats what it is supposed to do, and it failed.

My advise for Spider-Man 3, either fire or get Tobey Maguire some acting lessons. Or change directors and make him act. Keep the Special effects people who worked on Doctor Octopus, cause that was some great CG, make sure the people who did the FX on Spidey don't slack off, cause there were a few times in there I though Spider-Man looks a little too cartoony/poorly done for me. And fire the editor. The editing sucked in this movie as well. I would also like to see more of Doctor Connors and deffinantly more of Hal Sparks lol, but the Hal Sparks won't happen. Cameos by Daredevil would be nice, as well as the Sinister Six. Spider-Man 3 will either have the Green Goblin and/or the Sinister Six, Rhino, or Venom/Carnage in it. I would be disspointed with Rhino, but the other 2 would be nice.

It was an entertaining movie, good plot, great super-villian. But it just lacked in some essential parts. But if they want me to take this franchise serious, they need to get some real actors.

[Arcadia]

[size=1]I wasn't a huge fan of the first one, but I thought that Spider-Man 2 was a great improvement to the series. The special effects were [i]much[/i] better in this one than in the first, as Kazuko mentioned. Much more believable. Especially Doc Ock's arms.. those were just cool. And while I'm not going to hail the actors performances as pure works of art, it was at least entertaining, and that's good enough for me. I thought that Dunst as MJ was a lot better in this one than in the first because she didn't act like a trashy whore, but that's just my opinion.

The one thing I thought was sort of interesting about the movie (after I thought about it) was when [spoiler]Dr. Octavious said that thing about "using your intelligence for good" to Peter. I don't know a ton about Spider-Man, but originally didn't Peter Parker actually make his own sticky web stuff?[/spoiler] Kind of fitting, I guess.

I am looking forward to the third movie, though. Even though [spoiler]the whole scene with Harry talking to his dad in the mirror, and then subsequently finding all his dad's old Green Goblin stuff was kind of.. eh, James Franco is going to rock my socks when starts causing chaos.[/spoiler] ^_^;[/size]

[Semjaza]

Maybe it's just me, but from comments in this thread and in other threads, I think some of you would have hated this movie no matter what. You're going into them with extremely negative mindsets... it's impossible for you to enjoy it, even when things are done well.

As for the comic book Spider-Man, yeah, he makes his own webfluid. It isn't part of his natural abilities like in these films. They kind of skipped over his whole nerdy, inventor ideas.

[NorykoAngelcry]

[color=darkred][SIZE=1][font=verdana]I really enjoyed the movie. Sure, parts could have been different, but overall, I was happy with the end result. I think some parts were over-acted, but it's not like it was THAT many scenes. I think there were a bit too many screams going on. . I mean, when I scare someone woman or man. . they don't scream like that. Granted, I don't have 4 giant metal (though, non-magnetic) tenticles coming out of my back. .but my point still stands!

I would have liked for them to work Harry's descent a different way. . but it's obvious that it would have happened someway like that.

The movie seemed to drag on a little bit, especially the scene with the scene where he eats the chocolate cake. . O.o Maybe I missed something there. I mean, I know she likes Peter. . but was that all that was supposed to show? I really enjoyed Aunt May's speech to Peter about a Hero. . it was really well written. The biggest gripe I had about this movie is that they tried to go away from making the movie for the comic book fans to attract more people. It wasn't that big of a deal, but too much talking in an action movie tends to make it a slow movie. The two hour movie felt more like a three hour towards the end. .

On a side note. . Transic, you mentioned something about Spiderman 3 having Green Goblin. . did you mean the Hobgoblin? Or did you actually mean the Green Goblin? I am a little rusty on the Spideman stories, so I don't know if Harry is going to become Green Goblin after his father, or Hobgoblin. . it's been a long time. [/SIZE][/color][/font]

[Transtic Nerve]

[quote name='NorykoAngelcry][color=darkred][SIZE=1][font=verdana]On a side note. . Transic, you mentioned something about Spiderman 3 having Green Goblin. . did you mean the Hobgoblin? Or did you actually mean the Green Goblin? I am a little rusty on the Spideman stories, so I don't know if Harry is going to become Green Goblin after his father, or Hobgoblin. . it's been a long time. [/SIZE][/color'][/font][/quote]

Norman Osborn played the first Green Goblin and Harry Osborn plays the second Green Goblin... there was actually 2 more Green Goblins (Dr. Barton Hamilton and Phil Urich). The Hobgoblin is actually a totally different story line as far as character is concerned. There have been 4 Hobgoblins in the history of Spider-Man. Roderick Kingsley was the first, followed by Arnold "Lefty" Donovan, Ned Leeds, Jason Macendale. Macendale was probably the more famous of the four battling it out with Spider-Man and Green Goblin II (Harry Osborn). Then you have Demogoblin which is the demon form of Hobgoblin IV essentially.

Yeah, so there you go. You probably won't see the Hobgoblin, or the other Green Goblins in the movies. They are, for all purposes, the same character because they use the same potion to gain the powers of the "Goblin" and they all do the same thing pretty much. So yeah, I'd expect to see Harry playing Green Goblin II in Spider-Man 3 but nothin past that.

[DeathBug]

[color=indigo][size=1][font=comic sans ms][i]Spider-Man 2[/i] done blown mah mind. SM2:SM ::X2:X-Men. Without having to set up the origins and relationships of the central characters, the film was able to progress much more quickly than the original, resulting in a faster-paced film which really benefits the story-telling.

While Alfred Molina can never match William Defoe as a psychotic villain, IMO, the character of Octavios still made a lasting impression, and was a fun villian. My biggest gripe with Dafoe's costume in the first movie was that the plaqstic mask didn't allow for facial expression, which was a shame. Melina didn't have this problem, and you could tell, he was really getting into the role. He convincingly played Octavious [spoiler]both as a likeable and intelligent man and a twisted, obbsessive psychotic.[/spoiler]

James Franco, whose role in the first film was kind of an afterthought, really got to shine in this movie. The great irony of Harry Osborn, in the films, is that [spoiler]even when he's trying his hardest to 'be a man' or impress/avenge his father, he's still a pretty weak-willed guy. In his dealings with Dr. Octopus, he allows Ock to walk over him. When he's faced with Peter unmasked, he's unable to take action.[/spoiler] I found a few bits of Harry's dialogue to be forced, [spoiler]("All I have left is spider-Man...he disgraced me by touching me.")[/spoiler], I was, on the whole, impressed with his performance.

Toby Maguire seemed much better in the role of Peter this time around, or perhaps I'm just getting used to him as the character. either way, the various scenes of Pete's hard luck rang very true to what was always portrayed in the comics. And, of course, the [spoiler]Spider-Man No More[/spoiler] scene was masterfully done, and looked exactly like the comic panal that inspired it from forty years ago.

(I also though the [spoiler]"Raindrops" montage[/spoiler] was hilarious, but that could just be me.)

Kristen Dunst was, in my opinion, the weakest of the major players. I'm still not feelin' her as MJ. The character of Mary Jane was always strong-willed, vivacious and outgoing, and Dunst isn't really filling into the character. It's partially because of the scripting, but she seems kind of, i don't know, mousey? Withdrawn? I'm not feelin' it.

That's not to say I didn't like some of her scenes. Particullarly, the scene of [spoiler]her telling Peter off at the Planaterium[/spolier] was pretty good.

Even the more minor characters get kudos. [spoiler]Aunt May versus Dr. Octopus was great; "Shame on you!"[/spoiler] And, with a much larger role in this movie, JJ Jameson/JK Simmons really got a chance to shine. JK Simmons [i]is[/i] JJJ, all right? It's almost creepy.

Thee ffects...wow. I particularlly loved the work done on Dr. Octopus's tentacles. The way they seemed to [spoiler]"talk" to him was downright eerie.[/spoiler] Also, the various showdowns between Spidey and Ock on the NY skyline really gave the feeling of altitude and vertigo. There are so many things you see characters do in comic images that you think you're used to, but to actually see it perfomed...wow. Case in point, [spoiler]Spider-Man launching himself after a civilian in free-fall, or fighting an opponent with six arms.[/spoiler]

What didn't I like? Well...[spoiler]the scene of MJ running away from the wedding was too hoikey. They should have skipped that, going directly from the wedding to Pete's apartment. The scene of the train aftermath, with the civilians around Peter, seemed way too forced. I see what they were trying to do, and the basic idea of the scene was good, but it was very poorly executed. Also...once again, Spidey wasn't bvery funny. I mean, the scene on the elevator was great, but one of Spider-Man's trademarks is beeing a wise-*** in the heat of battle. Other than a few quips in the bank, he was mostly deadpan. And, on a minor note, I would have prefered Dr. Octopus to wear scientific garb than hobo jackets.[/spoiler]

I wanted to give sopecial mention to [spoiler] Dafoe's cameo, being such a Dafoe fan. The whole scene was great. ^__^ seems the dementia was hereditary, eh, Harry?[/spoiler]

So, yeah. See it if you have'nt.[/color][/size][/font]

[Rikoshi-Sama]

Spider-Man 2 was by far the best superhero flick of all time, and I'm not just giving this flick a shameless plug. It had everything that most flicks of the year had been lacking. It had the perfect blend of action, drama, romance, but more importantly it was once again true to the comic. We could really feel the emotions of Peter Parker and his dilmea about being Spiderman....

Also Doc Ock, was by far one ot the best supervillans "special effect wise" in history, the tentacles really outdid themselves. I did have one minor disappointment with the flick....and that was on the part of Mary Jane, it seemed like this time around they didn't have many lines for Kristen Dunst which took away from the role...and they made Mary Jane seem a bit too much like a skank.... However once again, Sam Raimi (sp?) has outdid himself, and I really can't wait to see what Spiderman 3, 4, 5, and 6 have instore.....for us since they plan on making at least six movies...

Lastly.....isn't it about time we got some Venom?

[Galvatron]

I thought Spider-Man 2 was an good movie I enjoyed it but I don't have it above Spider-Man 1. Peter Parker whole conflict or having to be Spider-Man or Peter Parker was done perfect in my eye's. My dad said he liked it but said it didn't have enough action but you know Spidy is not an all action type of superhero. The only thing i'm going to complain about is Mj she kind of seemed slut like asking Peter to kiss her and also asked John Jameson to kiss her as well but thats just me. I wan't Electrro in a spidey movie. Maybe Shocker as a villian to get beat up in the opening of the 3rd movie Shocker was in the spider-man movie games so just stick him in for a short camo of a beating from spidy. Oh just to say something I find Dare Devil the best Marvel movie.

[Transtic Nerve]

[quote name='Galvatron']Oh just to say something I find Dare Devil the best Marvel movie.[/quote]

Well if thats the case, you mise well discount your whole opinion on Spider-Man.

I don't mean to rant off subject but Daredevil is, by far, the worst of the recent marvel/comic movies. The Hulk follows a close second.

Anyway, don't think I hated Spider-Man 2, I just think it oculd have been TONS better if they put more effort into it. Or just hired someone other than Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst.

[Manic Webb]

For Calliope's sake, this would have to be the 3rd time I've written a review for this thread. The first time, I had to leave before I could finish. The second time, I was at work and was accidentally logged out when I tried to submit the reply.

Okay, so here's my opinion...

Toby Maguire may not be the definitive Spider-Man (I think Neil Patrick Harris may have been a little better), but he's one heck of a Peter Parker. He really pulled off Peter's angsty, pathetic demeanor very well. He [i]is[/i] supposed to be like that, right? Right? Well, I still liked Maguire's Parker. My only real gripe is his inability to show real [i]passion[/i]-- particularly when dealing with Mary-Jane.

The writers really need to work on how they write Mary-Jane's dialogue. In fact, her overall role in the movie was a little sad. I don't blame Dunst. She did what she could with what they gave her.

Bruce Campbell and Ted Raimi creep their way into yet another Sam Raimi project. Believe it or not, I actually like a little nepotism, so long as you get it in cameo form. I remember watching a VH1 special where Bruce Campbell claimed [spoiler]he defeats Spider-Man in the second film.[/spoiler] He claim close enough. ;)

Hal Sparks kicks much a**.

The [spoiler]montage was funny. So funny, in fact, I might even say it was the best part of the movie. Of course, I'm just a comedy nut, so I usually like a good laugh a bit more than a good action sequence. This was a good scene, though. I was laughing from the moment he tripped mid-strut, to eating the hot dog as criminals ran away, to that corny freeze-frame that had the whole theatre in stitches.[/spoiler]

Stan Lee [spoiler]saved a life.[/spoiler] Is there anything he can't do?

Now, I'm almost willing to forgive the falling trolly in the first movie, but [spoiler]the train was taking Spidey's superstrength too far. I expected him to wrap the webs around the train, not hold on to them and do something that would otherwise tear his arms off.[/spoiler]

Ah, the special effects. Doc Oc's arms were great. I actually had a hard time figuring out which shots used the CG arms and which were the puppet arms.

The writers in this movie forgot Spidey's greatest superpower... his Spider-wit. None of his famous smart-alec wisecracks were in this movie. And here I was looking for some good quotes outside of "do you love me" and "there's a hero in all of us."

I had my doubts about Octavius' motivation for being a villain, because the movie made him so humane in the beginning. But lo and behold, [spoiler]his arms were speaking to him. He didn't [i]want[/i] to rob those banks or molest those Japanese school girls, but the AI in his tentacles made him do it. Not exactly the best setup for a supervillain,[/spoiler] but still better than Osborn's "wam, bam, I have acute schizofrenia now."

Surprise, surprise, Mary-Jane [spoiler]walked out on her wedding. Who here can honestly say they were surprised? Thought so. Frankly, I was expecting Peter to be waiting at the church, pounding on a window, and ready to hop onto a nearby bus. Seeing MJ run across New York city in a wedding dress wasn't quite as dramatic, but had the same cheesy effect.[/spoiler]

Of all the scenes that most likely got left on the cutting room floor, does Sam Raimi expect us to believe [spoiler]Peter and the landlord's daughter eating cake[/spoiler] was worth keeping in?

J. Jonah Jameson was, by far, the best character in the movie. JK Simmons was great. His best moment was either the when he [spoiler]fired Peter 99 times in a row, or when he hung Spider-Man's costume on the wall as a tribute.[/spoiler] Does anybody else think he's gonna fire Peter once he finds out [spoiler]Mary-Jane left his son, John, for the photographer he just loves to fire?[/spoiler]

Please, God, if you're there... [spoiler]don't let the Green Goblin be the main villain in the next movie or give Mary-Jane "policeman's wife syndrome."[/spoiler]

Overall, I liked this movie. Much better than the first, in my opinion.

"I'm back! I'm back! [...] My back! My back!!"

[Brasil]

I find it difficult to not repeat what DeathBug and Manic have said, lol. They both share my views of the movie pretty much exactly.

I'd actually like to focus on something that Manic touched upon briefly: the Raimi Touch.

Now, I've noticed some people complaining about the "screaming" scene. I think people need to at least be aware of Raimi's filmmaking roots. Back in the late 70s/early 80s he and Bruce Campbell ([spoiler]the Snooty Usher[/spoiler]) made an extremely low-budget horror film called Evil Dead. Evil Dead was somewhat of a breakthrough film, in that it very successfully blended horror and comedy together, moreso than any Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm Street.

Its combination of innovative filmmaking/technique, original spin on familiar material, and a general "Up yours"-type satire on the horror genre itself proved that these young college students could make movies that rivaled the "professional" Hollywood films in terms of entertainment.

Now, keeping Raimi's cinema start in mind, look at the Spiderman films. They're filled, and I mean [i]filled[/i] with that "Up Yours"-type satire of horror, and ignoring the fact that when faced with four gigantic metallic arms that are ripping your coworkers apart in an operating room that you are unable to escape from, you will scream, that scene can be viewed as both Raimi's acknowledgement of his cinematic beginnings, and also his criticism of that genre.

If anyone wants to doubt the reasoning for how that scene was composed, one should then ask what the chainsaw doing there. While the chainsaw may not make sense given Spiderman 2's universe, Ash and his weapon of choice in Evil Dead (chainsaw) should give us a clue there. Furthermore, the fact that the chainsaw [i]doesn't[/i] work also might be Raimi subliminally telling us that the Evil Dead chainsaw idea is obsolete, because there is such fantastic technology available today, specifically in terms of CGI, which is exactly what the chainsaw was ineffective against in Spiderman 2.

I found Spiderman 2 to be utterly awesome, both in execution, direction, performances...I've said it before and I'll say it again. Raimi knows how to make a film.

[Semjaza]

I can only agree with the above post. I read some things here and elsewhere about "problems" with this film and so I went in hoping to see these and figure out if I agreed with those criticisms or not. I have to come back and say... What the hell are you people smoking? There's such negativity towards this film, and I'm still sticking by my comments before: this negativity was already pretty much there before the film was even released.

I really liked this movie. Any complaints I have against it are really just drowned out by the things I really liked about it. I think people are forgetting that this is a [b]comic book movie[/b], first and foremost.

When I saw the scene in the surgery room, the only thing I thought of was "This is so Evil Dead" and because of that, I absolutely loved it. It was one of my favorite scenes in the film.

There were two saws in that scene... The first being the small oscilating buzzsaw that was actually used on the tentacles, the second beying something resembling more of a chainsaw. The latter obviously referred back to Raimi's Evil Dead days, I thought. The former didn't seem really beyond what I expect from a modernized bonesaw. [spoiler]Why wouldn't they manage to acquire these tools to remove large, metal tentacles from a man's body?[/spoiler] How in the world is this unbelieveable considering what the hell is going on in the scene in the first place? It's not realistic to begin with.

As for the performances, I did find Maguire's expressions to be a bit weird at times. He'd look completely glossed over at the oddest times... sometimes having these eyes that looked really excited, but a face that looked completely disinterested. He seemed drugged in half the film.

I had no real problems with anyone else. Dunst did a decent job, although I really don't think she is right for the part AT ALL... but that's my personal opinion.

There were also a few lines in the film where I was left scratching my head... not because they didn't make sense, but because they felt so out of place. Almost too cheesy, in a sense. At the same time, I think people are exaggerating this. Especially in the sense of overacting. Some of the things listed sound exactly like something I'd read in a comic book. Since when are big name supervillians not overdramatized at times? I could post dozens of pages showing actions similiar to what goes on in this film without even having to really try.

I don't know, I don't think the film was bad and I don't think it was the best thing ever... but I do really think that people are being way too analytical over what is, undeniably, a comic book film. It's expected to take itself seriously, yet still poke fun at itself, just like most comics of this type that have been running for so long. I think it did a good job at this, in addition to being very well paced.

[GuyYouMetOnline]

I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned the laundromat scene. Spider-Man has to be the only superhero who ever washes his outfit (and in the wrong load, no less. The colors run). The people responsible for the Spider-Man movies havn't forgotten about Peter Parker. Another example is when Spidey is in the elevator with Harry Osborn. Harry think's it's just a costume (why would the real Spider-Man take an elevator?), and says that it looks uncomftorable. Peter agrees, saying that it's itchy, and rides up in his crotch, making him the only superhero, as far as I know, who has ever complained about his outfit. It's things like that that set Spiderman apart from every other superhero.

[Brasil]

I was reading over the thread and noticed the mention of the webshooters.

If my memory serves me correctly, when James Cameron was originally attached to the project, he decided that it made more sense that Peter's webshooters be organic, rather than something a high school science whizkid made. He rationale for this was, if I can remember the quote, "It had occurred to me that how would a high schooler be able to create an adhesive substance that 3M couldn't develop."

It was something to that effect, and quite honestly, I'm glad the organic webshooters were kept, because it makes the films much more "believable." I think it makes for a much better progression, as well, in that his transformation into Spiderman becomes an even greater transformation when his bodily functions change like that. He gain superhuman strength, sight, sense, etc; growing web glands is the next logical step.

[Semjaza]

The main issue with that is that if you go even farther with the idea it makes even less sense. Why would the webbing come out of his wrists and not his backside like a normal spider? Why wouldn't a doctor notice this things in his wrist in the examination room? As soon as he tried to check his pulse there'd probably be some issue.

It also totally ruins any potential situations where they can change his web fluid. In the comics, there are points where he alters it into other things. This is impossible in the films unless they mutate him again, so obviously it's going to be completely skipped.

Also, Peter Parker is a genius. While I have no problem with the film's idea about natural webbing, it's not out of the realm of possiblity for him to create that stuff. The films almost entirely gloss over his intelligence. There's times in this film where they show him being smart about things, but I think [spoiler]it's almost ruined near the end because he acts like he has absolutely no idea how to stop that fusion reaction. I don't think he'd have to whine to Doctor Octopus in the comics.[/spoiler] It's a minor complaint, but I feel this all changes the character of Peter Parker rather substantially.

And really, if you read more about Cameron's treatment of the film, it was so offbase from the comics that I probably wouldn't have even gone to see it.

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

I just wanted to say that it was pretty hilarious how when Doc Oc was off-screen but moving, you'd hear this THUD every 2 seconds or so. Like a T-Rex. Then when he was on-screen you'd hear the THUD every half-second or less because he moved quicker in front of the camera. And then when he got the tridium (or whatever, I don't remember the element he wanted) from Osborn, he totally pulled a "Batman" on him and tiptoed away on his tentacles. I laughed so hard.

[Semjaza]

I only noticed those large thuds when Doctor Octopus was ramming his claws into the walls so he could climb up things vertically, heh.

[TheShinje]

[font=Verdana][size=1]Transtic, I think that if they were to replace Tobey Maguire in the 3rd movie, it would ruin it, not necessarily because he's the best actor to play spidey, but that he's already established as the character, my opinion, humble as it may be, is replacing the actors halfway through a franchise is a surefire way to Jump the Shark.[/size][/font]
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[font=Verdana][size=1]I enjoyed the movie, it was incredible, the abgst, the drama, the evil laugh Doc Ock makes in his lair on the water, alot of fun.[/size][/font]
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[font=Verdana][size=1]Spiderman is full of everything that makes a good movie, great, thigns that give it it's X-Factor, such as the satirical angle that Raimi takes with his earlier works, while not overdoing them in Spidey, they are there in form of the Evil Dead chainsaw, and it was fun to watch the doctor go "Vash style" in a vain attempt to de limb the Doc.[/size][/font]
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[size=1]Best movie I've seen sine the Punisher.[/size]

[SaiyanPrincessX]

[SIZE=1]I saw it a few days ago when going to see HP3, which was sold out that day. I saw that yesterday however.

Anyway..overall I really liked it. I can't say whether I liked the first or the second better but I will say that I thought the begining kind of dragged. I think there were alot of uneeded scenes that could have been cut completely. I find myself rolling my eyes at some of the notions. I think my favorite scene was [spoiler]Spidey trying to stop the speeding train.[/spoiler]Such fun. ^_^[/SIZE]

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

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[size=1]Best movie I've seen since the Punisher.[/size][/QUOTE]

Har! I could say the same thing about ANY movie since the Punisher.