Unauthorized use of anime image in Bush campaign ad?

[MillieFan]

mms://media4.streamtoyou.com/gwb/YakuzaWeb_256k.wmv

And can be found at [url="http://www.georgewbush.com/Default.aspx"][color=#800080]http://www.georgewbush.com/Default.aspx[/color][/url] if that link doesn't work.

Although the eyes are altered, that is SO obviously a screenshot of Wolfwood, right down to the gun and the cross cufflinks. @.@

I've even attached one of the original pics from which it was most likely taken.

Call in the lawyers! ~.^ :laugh:

[Harry]

I'm more concerned that he's using anime in his ad campaign. Whoever thought of that should be fired.

[Doukeshi]

The manipulation of the image is really quite poorly done as well...having said that, so is the entire ad. I don't know whether it was done with permission or not, and if it was I think whoever authorized it is kicking themselves for letting it happen heh.

[Onix]

That image is an extremely poor reproduction of Wolfwood, and quite obviously him. It is a crappy ad as well, as doukeshi03 said. The image can't be authorized, because it looks so much like bad fan art. They probably did a google search for anime and took that without figuring out what it was.

[wrist cutter]

[quote name='Unborn Lord Xion']They probably did a google search for anime and took that without figuring out what it was.[/quote]

Damn the Bush administration for not caring about anime.

[MillieFan]

[quote name='Unborn Lord Xion']That image is an extremely poor reproduction of Wolfwood, and quite obviously him. It is a crappy ad as well, as doukeshi03 said. The image can't be authorized, because it looks so much like bad fan art. They probably did a google search for anime and took that without figuring out what it was.[/quote]
Yeah, that's what I think happened as well. :rotflmao: The ad people who did that one must have had one too many, LOL:alcohol: :beer:

I think Bush needs to fire his ad agency before they land him in court. Sure, the eyes were altered from the original, but that in no way meets the fifty percent standard of alteration one must make to use a copyrighted image without permission in anything except nonprofit fanart for personal display (i.e. posting on a nonprofit site, sharing with friends, etc.) nor does it meet the similar and often co-existant standard for using such an image in such a manner, of it being notably unlike the original.

In short, this [i]is[/i] actually as legally actionable as it is humorous.:p

[Justin]

I think that percentage is a little off. Not that I'm an expert on such things, but I believe it's 30% change is the bare minimum.

I actually think the random anime thing is entertaining. A bit unprofessional, but entertaining.

-Justin

[Baron Samedi]

[size=1]What kind of idiot would use an anime image in his election campaign?

I mean, really. Bad enough it is crappy, and copyrighted. But [i]anime[/i]? Why that? Seems strange to me.[/size]

[Shi no Tenshi]

Yes it seems odd that an anime image was used. It's like using Bugs Bunny to represent the USA. It was poorly done, perhaps they were on a tight budjet >_<

[Dagger]

The bizarre thing--one of them, anyway--is that they replaced Wolfwood's eyes with those of Yugi (the main character of Yu-Gi-Oh).

I [i]think[/i] that portion of the ad was supposed to be funny, but I just found it extremely weird and unappealing. If my family is any good indication, most people aren't going to see it and think, "really screwed-up looking picture that isn't even immediately identifiable as a cartoon --> anime --> Japan --> ahahaha!"

~Dagger~

[Okita]

[QUOTE=Dagger IX1]The bizarre thing--one of them, anyway--is that they replaced Wolfwood's eyes with those of Yugi (the main character of Yu-Gi-Oh).

I [i]think[/i] that portion of the ad was supposed to be funny, but I just found it extremely weird and unappealing. If my family is any good indication, most people aren't going to see it and think, "really screwed-up looking picture that isn't even immediately identifiable as a cartoon --> anime --> Japan --> ahahaha!"

~Dagger~[/QUOTE]

[B]Omg![/B] I went through the clip twice and didn't even realize that the face was Yugi!!!

Personally I don't live in America so don't have much of an opinion in the subject but the comical appearance of Yakuza-san as a cross between two very popular anime show that KIDS watch (well in Yugi's case anyways) is something that I find really funny.

just imagine the following scenario:

~*~*~*~

[I]"Daddy! Daddy! What's yakuza?"[/I]

[I]"Why that's organise crime son!"[/I]

[I]"What's oragnise crime daddy?"[/I]

[I]"Thats very bad poeple son. poeple with no repsect for society and law, they're criminals son and should be arrested."[/I]

[I]"OH MY GOD! Yugi is a cry-me-nal!!!! Nooooo!!!!"[/I]

[I]"What are you talking about son?"[/I]

[I]"Damn you Goerge Bush! This is all your fault!!!!"[/I]

[I]"Son! It's not good to swear..."[/I]

~*~*~*~

well maybe not like that but I'll laugh when the first kid recognise Yugi's face on that add... and the parody value can be worn thin when considering the biased nature of the 'in-joke'

personally I won't sue for copyright infringement, but rather malicious attack on the moral character of the company and individuals involved in the production and distribution of anime materials.

[Transtic Nerve]

Perhaps it makes no difference, but what makes George Bush's use of an anime character any different than lets say... YOUR use of an anime charcter in your sig? Did you get permission to use it? I may not like George Bush, but as far as this situation goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

[Onix]

Actually, T_N, it is kind of different. We're using the images for simple, non-profit fan art. He's using his for publicity and potential monetary gain, with is illegal.

[Sui Generis]

[COLOR=Indigo]Wow do people really think that its that big of a deal?

I really do hope coorperations have something better to do than sue the campaign for one anime picture. Seriously, its not that big of a deal.

Also how do you know its unathorized anyways?

Then to go along with T_N's point.You said this was different because our sigs are non-profit and such, but what about all those people who use anime sig's to sponsor their own site (free or paid)? Wouldn't that be in the same boat? Sounds about the same too me, maybe on a smaller scale, but if they are going to sue Bush might as well sue each and everyone of us. Because after all we're not only using ours for "simple fan art."

Hope they have a lot of money to waste on lawyers.

Oh and I'd like to point out, look at your own signature. You're using the name of Bloody Roar as publicity to get people to go to your boards.


Personally I think America is to "sue happy" as is, the reasons people sue other people now is ridiculouse. My coffee is too hot, I shall sue. Its pathetic.[/COLOR]

[Onix]

[SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Okay, you made a valid point Lalaith. And you're definitely right about us being sue happy. The McDonalds coffee case is a perfect example. Unless you weren't actually aiming towards that, in which case it is an amazing coincidence. But I doubt that.

However, on a mere technicality, I can say I'm partially right. You see, if this add helps Bush get into office, it is being used to get money. I just want more traffic, and I'm not getting paid a thing. I do concur that I was being midly hypocritical, but I'd like to point out the possiblity that I am correct.

-ULX[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[Ezekiel]

[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]Well, I'm going to jump in this thread in ULX's defence. First off, yes he is using BR in his banner to get publicity for his boards but that is a non-profitable organisation, not something like a campaign for Presidency. You can?t really compare it when they aren?t on the same level.

Also, it's true that we use anime images and things in out sigs and avatars but yet again it is the non-profitable cause.

Bush, on the other hand, has stolen, sorry, used, an image that will probably appeal to the younger generation so that he can get people on his side and therefore, make a profit. His people have edited it so that it is not the [I]same[/I] Wolfwood and therefore they wouldn?t need permission (at least I believe that is how it works).

It becomes a big deal to anime fans when they see a well known character being butchered and used in a campaign for someone who most of us don't like anyway, sorry Bush fans, no offence.

This ends my post.....I hope I haven?t offended anyone.[/COLOR]

[wrist cutter]

[QUOTE=Imi]
It becomes a big deal to anime fans when they see a well known character being butchered and used in a campaign for someone who most of us don't like anyway, sorry Bush fans, no offence.[/QUOTE]

In the words of Grandpa Simpson: "***** ***** *****."

Damn, that'll probably be censored.

[Dagger]

[quote name='Imi][COLOR=DeepSkyBlue']Bush, on the other hand, has stolen, sorry, used, an image that will probably appeal to the younger generation so that he can get people on his side and therefore, make a profit.[/color][/quote]
I really do not think a large percentage of "the younger generation" will recognize or be politically swayed by a rather poorly edited image. It's entertaining for people who are familiar with the character, but the ad's use of this bizarre mutant version of Wolfwood isn't at all that big a deal.

It'd be hilarious if they were slapped with a lawsuit, though.

~Dagger~

[Harry]

[quote name='Unborn Lord Xion][SIZE=1][COLOR=DarkSlateBlue] The McDonalds coffee case is a perfect example. Unless you weren't actually aiming towards that, in which case it is an amazing coincidence. [/COLOR'][/SIZE][/quote]
If you knew anything about the McDonald's coffee case you'd know it's a good example of when to sue. It was roughly 20 degrees hotter than what it was supposed to be. Coffee shouldn't cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns.

[InuyashaLvr]

[COLOR=Magenta][I]I say, if they did illegally take the picture duh! Sue them! otherwise I dont see why it's such a big deal. but I do agree with Harry on the Macdonalds thing. I know someone that got a second degree burn from their coffee. I dunno if they sued or not but I know that Macdonalds is WAY out of wack.Even though I do love their new Big Dippers! lol. Getting off topic! I'll shut up now ><; Plus what kind of President would use anime in his campaign??

"Oh yes! I wish to become your president to screw up your world, kill everyone, and watch anime all the time!"

right...

so yeah...I'm done...[/I][/COLOR]

[Transtic Nerve]

[quote name='Imi][COLOR=DeepSkyBlue'] First off, yes he is using BR in his banner to get publicity for his boards but that is a non-profitable organisation[/COLOR][/quote]

Well thats not entirely true. Some people use thir website/webboard as a grounds for alot of peopel to interact, some usually put advertizement banners on said sites, usually these ad banners cause some sort of money tranfer from whoever to said site owner. Usually by the number of visitors or number of click per ad banner, so to reiterate, there is a strong possibility that they are using an anime chaarcter to gain a profit or at least some money. Whichever the case, it's the same thing.

Anyway, I really don't care either way. If an anime character makes you wanna vote for Bush then you should just shoot yourself now.

[Ezekiel]

[QUOTE]If an anime character makes you wanna vote for Bush then you should just shoot yourself now.[/QUOTE]

[COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]Okay, I totally agree with you there, actually. That is a very good point and it really makes me wonder why in the heck Bush's people went though all the trouble to put it in there in the first place?

Another thing I have agree in on is what you said about how some people make a profit with using their boards.
I happen to know ULX as a friend and I'm a part of his board so in that case it wouldn't apply, but I accept the fact that what I wrote wasn't entirely true...thank you for pointing that out.[/COLOR]

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Harry']If you knew anything about the McDonald's coffee case you'd know it's a good example of when to sue. It was roughly 20 degrees hotter than what it was supposed to be. Coffee shouldn't cause 2nd and 3rd degree burns.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]Yes, but you also shouldn't try to hold a styrofoam cup of hot coffee in your lap. Part of that was due to the woman's stupidity.The cups do say [b]'Caution, contents are hot'[/b] for a reason. Besides, some people will complain if they don't think the coffee is hot enough there's just no pleasing anyone, so go make your own coffee! :flaming:


Okay, enough with the coffee rant!


I don't really care what Bush has in his campaign ads anymore. He could try to get trained monkeys juggling bananas and equate that to what John Kerry would do with the government and I wouldn't care. I may try really hard to be watching tv when the monkey ad comes on, but I wouldn't be swayed by juggling monkeys.

In that same sense, I wouldn't be swayed if Bush used altered or unaltered anime characters for an ad campaign. It's like TN said, [quote name='TN']If an anime character makes you wanna vote for Bush then you should shoot yourself now.[/quote] If the American public can be swayed by cartoon characters and monkeys, then where's the hope for our government and for that matter our country?[/color]

[Sui Generis]

[QUOTE=Imi][COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]

Bush, on the other hand, has stolen, sorry, used, an image that will probably appeal to the younger generation so that he can get people on his side and therefore, make a profit.
[/COLOR][/QUOTE]


Isn't that the whole point of campaigning to gain voters from every walk of life. That way you can get the most voters. Its just another area to aim his issues, not only that but doesn't this topic seem a little strange on the part that we still don't even know if in fact he was given permission or not.

If he has then this whole topic was essentially a waste of time; well I guess not a waste of time, because its quite intersting to see each person's view on it, but you understand what I am saying.

And I understand your points about the non-proft, but the simple fact is that would still fall under copyright. The illegal use of someone else's work for personal profit and/or gain.

All I'm saying is that if they sue him, they should sue us. I think its quite a petty offense, but thats my eyes not yours.

[Roxie Faye]

[color=#9933ff]Sorry, I'm really late to the thread, but yes, I found the ad extremely amusing, because whoever put it together is well, not together. *suppresses fit of giggles*

I personally don't care if he gets a lawsuit or not. If I were the creator, I'd make him take the ad off, simply because it's an insult to Trigun. >_< (It is from Trigun, isn't it? Sorry, I never saw Trigun, but I'm assuming. =\).[/color]