Superhero Movies--Now and the Future

[Doukeshi]

Aww, give Cap a break. He's Marvel's answer to Superman, he's gotta be all patriotic and boy scouty. I also think that Wristcutter has the best idea for a really interesting (if not obvious) propaganda film.

Bless Cap's little star-spangled socks

[JCBaggee]

[color=darkred][size=1]McG has been released from his job making "Superman 5" due to disputes over the budget.

That, and his script apparently sucked.

Bryan Singer is now apparently the director of "Superman V", but this comes at a cost. If Singer does make "SV", then X3 (which is to start filming next year) will either be pushed back, or a new director will be brought in.

Either way, its not Burton or McG. Yay WB.

Now, if only they would treat second stringers like GL with the same respect as DC's Big Three are....

--Chris[/color][/size]

[Guest lavalamp]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']I hope something bad happens to Halle Berry and she can't be in X-3 (like maybe somebody assassinates her because of Catwoman or something along those lines). She wants a bigger part... unbelievable. It's clear that she has no respect for X-Men at all. And someone like that shouldn't be in the movies.[/quote]

I hate to be rude but that was just flat out idiotic. First of all, where did you read this? Second of all, do you know about acting? I'll give you a primer.

Actress + Larger Role = More Exposure + Wider Appeal = Better Resume + More Fans = [b]$ $ $ $ $ $[/b].

Sorry, but if I were in her shoes I'd work it too, even if her wanting a bigger part isn't entirely true.

So since she doesn't have respect for X-Men, she shouldn't be in the movies? So what you're saying is you should be a geek to get a role like that. Somehow I doubt the casting director would agree. Halle Berry, along with a few of the other actors, saves the movies from being exactly what Daredevil and The Hulk were.

I'm sure that she respects X-Men as a form of entertainment but give me a break. And yeah, someone kill her! What a ***** she is for playing in my movie!

GRRR ELITIST GRRR

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

Since this is one of the silliest responses I've ever gotten on anything from a non-Petey-alias, I've just gotta reply. Let's just work our way from the top.
[QUOTE=lava lamp]I hate to be rude but that was just flat out idiotic. First of all, where did you read this? Second of all, do you know about acting? I'll give you a primer.
Actress + Larger Role = More Exposure + Wider Appeal = Better Resume + More Fans = [b]$ $ $ $ $ $[/b].[/QUOTE]
First of all, that's not a primer on acting in the least, nor is even anywhere near a primer on the [i]business[/i] of acting, which I can only assume is what you were trying to communicate with that bullcrap equation. Of course Halle Berry wants a bigger role; she doesn't know that the larger her part is the worse X-Men's acting as a whole will be. Do you think I was confused about her wanting a larger role? I said it was unbelievable because she already has a part that's perfectly sized for Storm and considering it was Halle Berry it was [i]more[/i] than big enough. I can only take so much of her horrendous attempts at an accent and at any sort of two-dimensional acting.

[QUOTE]Sorry, but if I were in her shoes I'd work it too, even if her wanting a bigger part isn't entirely true.[/QUOTE]
It's entirely true. Look into it if you like, it shouldn't take you too long.

[QUOTE]So since she doesn't have respect for X-Men, she shouldn't be in the movies? So what you're saying is you should be a geek to get a role like that. Somehow I doubt the casting director would agree. Halle Berry, along with a few of the other actors, saves the movies from being exactly what Daredevil and The Hulk were.[/QUOTE]
Ok now you're just being stupid. Yes, if she doesn't have respect for what the films are about, she shouldn't be in them. It might sound silly to you, but the more those involved in a project care about its quality, the better it will be. You don't have to be a geek to get a role, as long as you care about what that role means. You'll find that people like Tom Cruise only take roles they really care about (i.e. not Catwoman or f-ing Jinx), and try to actually make the film into something good. When that is the case, you DO get a better film. And it's not like Tom Cruise is a samurai geek or a sci fi geek or a Mission: Impossible geek. He just cared a little.

Oh, and Halle Berry is NOT what saves the X-Men films from being Daredevil or Hulk. If that moron Ang Lee understood anything at all about the Hulk, he would've made a much less overly dramatic and lame movie. No, X-Men is saved because it is directed by Bryan Singer (who does really care, and has read the comics extensively) and it has a very powerful cast, minus Halle Berry.

[QUOTE]I'm sure that she respects X-Men as a form of entertainment but give me a break. And yeah, someone kill her! What a ***** she is for playing in my movie![/QUOTE]
First of all, starring in Catsuit the movie is a capital crime as far as I'm concerned. And I've already made my point about caring about what you're involved in. It better get through to you.

[QUOTE]GRRR ELITIST GRRR[/QUOTE]
Grrrr idiot grrrrr.

[Semjaza]

There's such a thing as tact in the movie industy. Halle doesn't have any. She's been demanding a bigger role in the films since the first did so well. It's the only remotely popular film of hers that doesn't involve her faking orgasms or showing her breasts.

Prior to its success she would be in interviews making comments about how she had to be in a "stupid comic book movie". She was bitching about the films [i]before they even released[/i]. I think it's pretty obvious where the 180 came from. She wantsto cash in on something she previously would candidly look down upon. It's even more ironic that the only thing from her of note now is Catwoman -- a film that might as well be called "Another Catwoman: Not Really Related to DC's Creation at All, We Just Took the Name and Designed a Costume That Makes Even Comic Book Fans Cringe" -- a comic book movie.

It's even more funny that, yet again, a main role of hers has her jumping around in little amounts of clothing and making sexual comments. Except now she can use "*****" in funny and unique ways! (That is, unless you forget that people have been making similiar "clever" word play jokes for at least several decades with the same damn word. I can watch Faulty Towers on PBS and get that same level of humor.)

This is a X-Men film. It's not "Storm Saves the Universe". The trilogy may not be fully written, but obviously the main point of it is Wolverine's story and the purpose of the Pheonix. Giving her as large of a role as she is wanting due to her "status" now would be pointless (from what I've seen she wants to be on the level of Jean Grey even... why?). She already has a big enough role in the film considering how many other characters there are and how many cameos fans would like to see. Listening to her side of the story, I was under the impression she spoke four words in X2 and spent maybe three minutes onscreen. Talk about a drama queen.

Even considering that Halle obviously wasn't big on this role in the first place, she took it. To me that means she should do her freaking job and earn her money. Poor acting, stupid facial expressions and an awful accent are not a good job. Especially considering she didn't even attempt to keep the accent in the second film (while a good thing since she was so bad, it still is a weird change). And even more because she's a freaking Oscar winner.

If I was an architect contracted to design and lead a building project, would people be accepting of me doing a poor job just because I felt like it and I think I'm worth more than what I am getting? Because, really, that's all Halle has for an excuse right now. It'd not be accepted in other industries and I don't think it should be accepted here either.

I'm glad she's out of the next one.

Edit - ***** is blocked out... it's another word for a cat incase you're not sure what should be there lol.

[Doukeshi]

Jeez guys she's just an actress, calm down. Maybe someone should switch to decaf hm?

[Semjaza]

[quote name='doukeshi03']Jeez guys she's just an actress, calm down. Maybe someone should switch to decaf hm?[/quote]

Thanks for this contribution to the discussion. I find it hard to believe that anyone involved in this was jumping around, flailing their arms about as they posted. It's an opinion about a super hero movie's impact in a thread about super hero movies. Unexpected, I guess.

[Shy]

[size=1]A few words about Halle Berry...

Storm has been my favorite X-Person since I first took an interest in the characters. If you actually sit down and read an older issue of X-Men you'll discover what a minor role she tends to play in the stories. Although she is one of, if not (arguably) the most powerful member on the team they don't give her much to do. Her most important Storm storyline is probably the one where she takes control of the Morlocks, or her battles with the Shadow King. Other than that Storm is a greatly respected member on the team, regardless of the fact that she only has minor roles in the X-Men's greatest stories.

So it should come as no surprise to anyone that Storm does [i]absolutely nothing[/i] in the movies. If it weren't for Halle's complaining she would have had an even smaller part in X2. Cyclops is the one who really got the shaft in that film; he had a brief few scenes in the beginning and was knocked unconcious until the end. It's a sad day when Cyclops ends up with a brief cameo because Halle Berry wanted a larger part to show off her [size=2]ACADEMY AWARD-WINNING[/size] talents

No, wait, she doesn't even try with the small role she has in the films. Her accent changed wildly from scene to scene in the first movie, and in the sequel it disappeared entirely. She shows no respect for the source material, and just assumes that she give Storm the same half-assed treatment that she does to every other role. This woman needs to realize that nobody is going to see an X-Men film because Halle Berry is in it. They are seeing an X-Men film to see their heroes come to life on the big screen, or to see a great action film. Turning it into "[size=2][b]Halle Berry[/b][/size] in[i] X-Men[/i]" is a slap in the face to everyone who ever cared about the character.

But she continues to complain because her part was not significantly larger than the 10+ co-stars she appeared in the film with. I'm sorry to break this to her, but she isn't the only Academy-Award Winning actor in the group, she isn't even the only Academy-Award Winning actress. Anna Paquin, who does a great job as Rogue, won the award when she was only a small child. Did she have to show her breasts to win it? I think not. The world does not revolve around her, although she tries to change that.

She continues on her path of destruction, demanding that every movie she appears in become some sort of "Halle Berry vehicle." The prime example of this is Catwoman, a movie which is connected to the comic book character by name only.

What other female comic characters are there left to destroy? Perhaps she can take over the role of the Invisible Woman, or Lois Lane, or heck-- why not The Incredible Hulk? Halle Berry want larger role! Halle Berry Smash!

-Shy[/size]

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by[b] Semjaza Azazel[/b][i]
Thanks for this contribution to the discussion. I find it hard to believe that anyone involved in this was jumping around, flailing their arms about as they posted. It's an opinion about a super hero movie's impact in a thread about super hero movies. Unexpected, I guess[/i][/QUOTE]

I appreciate your sarcasm ¬_¬, and not for a moment did I imagine anyone flailing their arms in barely repressed outrage, I was merely trying to add some humor to the tensions. Maybe it was inappropriate and I appologise.

However...

Getting away from this Halle Berry die-atribe.

What are people's opinions on Christian Bale as Batman? After the last two shams of movies involving George Clooney and Val Kilmer, I personally think that Christian Bale has the dark brooding character to pull this off. Admittedly when it first came out that it would be Bale I was quite taken aback, and couldn't really see Bale donning the cape and cowl, now however, I'm really looking forward to it.

After watching him in 'American Psycho' I find it easy to imagine how he can pull off both the dark mysterious 'Dark Knight' and his alter ego, the playboy Bruce Wayne.

[Transtic Nerve]

[quote name='Shy][size=1']AWhat other female comic characters are there left to destroy? Perhaps she can take over the role of the Invisible Woman, or Lois Lane, or heck-- why not The Incredible Hulk? Halle Berry want larger role! Halle Berry Smash![/size][/quote]

Ohh ohhh she can be She-Hulk! In the movie no one will ever see, Halle Berry is the green lawyer who can lift 30 cars, she is She Hulk! ::cue cheesy dramatic music::

Anyway... I think out of every role of the X-Men in the first two movies, Storm's was the least played out. Maybe Cyclops too. I think everone else had some sort of bigger involvment in the plot than Storm. But her character, by trait, is so suspicious and mysterious that there's not much to build character off of. Maybe if they gave her a little sub-plot beyond "searching for NightCrawler" then she'd be happy. I don't think Halle Berry is looking for a lead role in the X-Men film, that would ruin it, but I think she's just looking for an equal aprt to that of her cast members who all have some sort of sub-plot, either dealing with their past, present or future. Well at least thats what i think. Cause when I think of the first 2 X-Men films, Storms character doesn't even show up on the list of the characters that stood out to me. Not because of acting, but because of the way her character was written, with nothing interesting standing out in the film. Even Colosus stood out more than her. Which is sad cause he had a 2 minutes cameo and one line in the whole film.

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

[QUOTE=doukeshi03]What are people's opinions on Christian Bale as Batman? After the last two shams of movies involving George Clooney and Val Kilmer, I personally think that Christian Bale has the dark brooding character to pull this off. Admittedly when it first came out that it would be Bale I was quite taken aback, and couldn't really see Bale donning the cape and cowl, now however, I'm really looking forward to it.

After watching him in 'American Psycho' I find it easy to imagine how he can pull off both the dark mysterious 'Dark Knight' and his alter ego, the playboy Bruce Wayne.[/QUOTE]

I was very glad that they picked Bale, considering everyone else who was up for the part would've done as bad a job as, say, Halle Berry. Bale is not the ideal pick for Batman (personally I think Hugh Jackman would be, but alas he is already Wolverine and that douche Van Helsing). But Bale is a decent actor, and he can look cool in fights (not tights, fights). (Anyone who wants to see Bale in a dark, cool action role watch Equilibrium. It's a sweet film, and I bet it's why they picked him as Batman).

Anyway, Bale is one of the best things the film has going for itself at this point. Nolan, while not a bad director, hasn't done anything at all like Batman yet, and there's no telling whether he'll pull it off well or not. Batman films require a very particular approach that takes a lot of finesse, I think. The writer is crapola (Blade 1,2,3). They completely mixed up casting when it comes to Liam Neeson and Ken Watanabe (they need to flip roles, heh). They turned the Batmobile into a joke. They, at this point, forgot about Talia (who is a very important part of the whole Batman/Ra's al Ghul dynamic).

Eh, we'll see. But I AM looking forward to it. If nothing else, it should have some cool scenes.

[Manic Webb]

[quote name='Shy][size=1']why not The Incredible Hulk? Halle Berry want larger role! Halle Berry Smash![/size][/quote]
You know, it's comments like this that make me giggle and nearly get me caught surfing the net at work.

As for the Storm/Halle Berry thing...
What I would've done, if I were a writer or director, is give Storm some leadership skills. While Storm rarely has anything to do in the comics, she has this majestic presence and comes off as a very strong leader. The Storm of the movies has no leadership qualities. In the end, she contributes slightly more to the team than Nightcrawler. If Berry would've shown some authority, then that's all the attention Storm really needs. And if even that couldn't satisfy Halle... well T.S.

Then again, I also would've casted someone else as Storm in the first place. Perhaps even someone who [i]looks African.[/i]

I'm reserving all judgement on the new Batman film until I see some footage. Then again, I take that back. I'm passing judgement on the new batmobile. Last time I checked, the batmobile was a modified sports car... not a racing cart with monster truck wheels. Other than that, I'm waiting until I see something.

On a different note...
What does everyone think of Jessica Alba being casted as The Invisible Girl/Woman in the Fan4 movie? I have reservations. Sue Storm has always been a fairskinned blonde. Jessica Alba is... well... partially Mexican, Spanish, and Indian (I looked it up). Her skin is so dark, she looks very strange with blonde hair (she played Jessica Simpson in a MadTV sketch). Then again, I'm just being picky and a little upset because I wanted Alba to play another superheroine.

[Doukeshi]

That is one seriously ****** up batmobile (see attatchments). I wonder what possessed the makers of this movie to divert themselves so much from a tried and tested design. It looks like a tank...
One can only hope that it doesn't recieve too much screen time.

I also agree with Sciros on the Neeson Wantanbe role reversale, however, I am still waiting to see what else they are going to do. Just so long as I don't have to look at Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl anymore.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]ScirosDarkblade[/b]
[i]They, at this point, forgot about Talia (who is a very important part of the whole Batman/Ra's al Ghul dynamic).[/i][/QUOTE]

Oh and BTW Sciros they haven't forgotten about Talia...she's being played by Katie Holmes, or so I've heard.

[Semjaza]

Doukeshi03, I apologize for before.

Anyway, I had seen the Batmobile weeks and weeks back. You really never get used to it. At least I don't. It looks like they built it out scrap metal from a junkyard. I really don't know why it looks like that, but I'm hoping it's explained. I think a lot of people who have even just seen the previous movies will be like "what the hell?" over that design.

The movie sounds pretty cool though. Bale is an awesome, underrated actor and I think he's perfect for this role. I'm very interested in his performance.

I've been reading supposed impressions of this film on various sites and they sound impressive so far. Of course, there's the large possiblity that they're entirely fabricated, so who knows yet lol.

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

[quote name='doukeshi03']they haven't forgotten about Talia...she's being played by Katie Holmes, or so I've heard.[/quote]

Nope. Katie Holmes is in the movie, but she is playing somebody named Rachel Dodson (you can check on IMDB, or if you look real hard, then maybe on Batman-on-Film). Talia is nowhere in sight at this point. It makes me sad.

Also the composer for the Batman film is the same dude who did Memento and Insomnia and some other stuff completely and utterly unworthy. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I figure he'll either rip off Elfman's theme or come up with an original bowser.

[Shy]

[QUOTE=ScirosDarkblade]Nope. Katie Holmes is in the movie, but she is playing somebody named Rachel Dodson (you can check on IMDB, or if you look real hard, then maybe on Batman-on-Film). Talia is nowhere in sight at this point. It makes me sad.

Also the composer for the Batman film is the same dude who did Memento and Insomnia and some other stuff completely and utterly unworthy. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I figure he'll either rip off Elfman's theme or come up with an original bowser.[/QUOTE]
[size=1]There's always the chance that Talia could show up in a sequel, or something. It's a shame that they are taking away many of the things that make Ras-Al Goul an awesome villain (Talia, Lazarus Pit), but I'm thrilled that they are putting him in a movie at all. For the most part he is an obscure villain, but I guess they don't have many options left. I'd love to see Clayface or Killer Croc in a Batman film; or Hush... mmm, Hush...

As for the composer, I think it is going to be a difficult job for anyone to come up with something as great as Danny Elfman's Batman theme. I'd rather see them use pieces of previous scores, but Warner Brothers wants to start fresh with the franchise... goodbye continuity.

[quote name='Manic']What does everyone think of Jessica Alba being casted as The Invisible Girl/Woman in the Fan4 movie? I have reservations. Sue Storm has always been a fairskinned blonde. Jessica Alba is... well... partially Mexican, Spanish, and Indian (I looked it up). Her skin is so dark, she looks very strange with blonde hair (she played Jessica Simpson in a MadTV sketch). Then again, I'm just being picky and a little upset because I wanted Alba to play another superheroine.[/quote]

Out of the casting for that movie, I think Jessica Alba is the worst decision they have made so far. It's pretty much the same issue I had with all of those "Beyonce Knowles as Lois Lane" rumors that were appearing all over the web a few months ago. It's lame that they would cast someone who obviously isn't right for the part. Also, the actor they cast to play Johnny Storm is so white that he is practically transparant. They are supposed to be biological brother and sister, they don't look anything alike.

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I have also heard that they are basing the F4's origins off of the "Ultimate Fantastic Four" comic, as opposed to the original. I'm not a big fan of Ultimate F4, in fact I never really sat down and read it until the second story-arc began. Could someone point out the differences in their origins to me?

-Shy[/size]

[Manic Webb]

[quote name='Shy][size=1']I have also heard that they are basing the F4's origins off of the "Ultimate Fantastic Four" comic, as opposed to the original. I'm not a big fan of Ultimate F4, in fact I never really sat down and read it until the second story-arc began. Could someone point out the differences in their origins to me?[/size][/quote]
With spoiler tags, just in case the rumor is true and this ends up being the movie plot...

First of all, their origins are almost nothing alike. Also, I'm not sure if I have this entirely correct.

Long Version: [spoiler]As with every Ultimate book except for, well, The Ultimates, the Fan4 are in their late teens and early 20s. Reed is a child prodigy, like always. Ben is Reed's childhood friend and bully-protector. At the age of 11, Reed discovered a dimension parallel to our own. Using everyday household appliances, he constructed a device that could send objects into the dimension and back, only coming back at an unspecified location. In short... he made a teleporter that works exactly like Nightcrawler, only he doesn't know where the objects keep teleporting to.

He showed off the project at his school science fair, where he was recruited to join a school of young geniuses. The school itself is the Baxter building. There, Dr. Storm was working on the same thing. Thus, Reed studied under Dr. Storm and met his genius daughter, Susan, and very average son, Johnny. Also, fellow student Victor Van Damme (note: they changed his name to Damme instead of Doom) was there.

Skip to about 10 or so years later, and Reed and Victor are ready to teleport their first organic object, and send it to an exact, specified spot. They set up a huge demonstration, to which Reed invites his best friend (Ben) and girlfriend (Susan). Susan isn't involved in this project because she's a biologist. Johnny tags along to watch.

The five (Reed, Sue, Johnny, Ben, Victor) are standing right next to the teleporter, which is about to transport an apple. Due to a miscalculation (either Reed or Victor's fault... never specified), all five of them are caught in the light of the teleporter and disappear. They each reappear in random spots, with new powers.[/spoiler]

Short Version: [spoiler]Reed built a teleporter, but it wasn't designed correctly. When they went through it, they came out with their respective powers.[/spoiler]

Personally, I hope they use the original story, and change it around slightly. Like instead of being motivated by the space race, they could get hit by cosmic rays on the maiden voyage to Mars. But that's just what I'd so.

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

[QUOTE=Shy][size=1]There's always the chance that Talia could show up in a sequel, or something. It's a shame that they are taking away many of the things that make Ras-Al Goul an awesome villain (Talia, Lazarus Pit), but I'm thrilled that they are putting him in a movie at all. For the most part he is an obscure villain, but I guess they don't have many options left. I'd love to see Clayface or Killer Croc in a Batman film; or Hush... mmm, Hush...

As for the composer, I think it is going to be a difficult job for anyone to come up with something as great as Danny Elfman's Batman theme. I'd rather see them use pieces of previous scores, but Warner Brothers wants to start fresh with the franchise... goodbye continuity.
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's kinda upsetting. Really though, Ra's is not that obscure of a villain to anyone who has watched the cartoon or read any of the comics. He's one of the 4 villains who really totally deserves his own film (Joker, Bane, Ra's, Mr. Freeze).

And I'm pretty sure they'll try to redo Freeze and Bane at one point or another. Clayface in the cartoon was great (crap in the comics), so hopefully they'd try to borrow some from there if they feature him someday. Killer Croc is nothing more than a thug. And seeing as he's one of the least plausible villains in the rogues gallery (well Clayface and a few others are also, but they have more involving storylines), he really shouldn't be in anything but like the 12th or 15th Batman film.

And Hush was a crime to Batman comics if you don't count the artwork. Everyone saw it coming a mile away, and once it did, it turned out that the villain had the least believable motive I'd ever heard of in my entire life. Just pathetic. And then there's the "villain parade" that's so typical of Loeb's story arcs. If they did make it into a movie, it would ONLY be ok because of the 1-minute-long Batman/Superman fight.

As for music, I'm not [i]that[/i] enchanted by Elfman's theme. A similarly good one can be done (as in Batman: TAS--you hear it in the opening to the Adventures of Batman and Robin), but you need the right composer. Really, if Shirley Walker was working on the music for this one I'd be happier than if Elfman were.

[ColourDeaf]

Brieflg oignt onto the Fantastic 4 movie, I was under the impression that the entire project was scrapped because they couldn't get the Thing to look right on camera. Is there any truth to this?

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE=ScirosDarkblade]
And Hush was a crime to Batman comics[/quote]

Diss ye not 'Hush' hethen! Repent your sins and cower for forgiveness! Heh, I'm just kiddin'..partly.

Totally agree with you though, Joker and Bane should get their own respective movies..not too sure about Freeze though, never did like him. Bane is such a multi-layered character, it would be great to see him explored with a bit more of the explanation given in 'Batman&Robin'. I don't think it will happen though. The Joker movie might..Joker and Harley..and entire movie *sighs* it would be marvelous.

[Shy]

[quote name='ScirosDarkblade']Yeah, it's kinda upsetting. Really though, Ra's is not that obscure of a villain to anyone who has watched the cartoon or read any of the comics. He's one of the 4 villains who really totally deserves his own film (Joker, Bane, Ra's, Mr. Freeze). ][/quote]
[size=1]Batman has always had his "Big 4" villains (Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler) that are instantly recognizable, and much more marketable. If asked to name a Batman villain, most people would respond with one of those as their answer. Being the nerd I am, I can't wait to see Ra's in a motion picture, but I do see the flaw of having a Bat-film with no instantly recognizable or marketable villain. From what I know,[spoiler] Scarecrow's appearance in the film is little more than an extended cameo.[/spoiler] Perhaps he will have a larger role in the sequel, I certainly hope so.[/size]
[quote]And I'm pretty sure they'll try to redo Freeze and Bane at one point or another. Clayface in the cartoon was great (crap in the comics), so hopefully they'd try to borrow some from there if they feature him someday. Killer Croc is nothing more than a thug. And seeing as he's one of the least plausible villains in the rogues gallery (well Clayface and a few others are also, but they have more involving storylines), he really shouldn't be in anything but like the 12th or 15th Batman film.[/quote]
[size=1]I'm pretty much basig my opiions of Clayface, Killer Croc, and the more obscure villains off of what I have seen them do in B:TAS. That one cartoon did more to build up Batman's rogues gallery than the previous 60 years of comics. Heck, it gave us Harley Quinn! Nobody would even consider putting Mr. Freeze in a film had Paul Dini and crew transformed him from a Captain Cold rip-off to one of the more tragic figures in comicdom.

I will defend the B:TAS version of Killer Croc until my last breath. The fact that he was a simple thig made him incredibly entertaining. While the other villains come up with brilliant schemes and elaborate traps to defeat Batman, all Croc usually does it try to beat the tar out of him. And it works much more often than one would expect. As a solo act he isn't much of a threat, but the animated series proved that pairing two second-tier foes can make for a very entertaining story (Harley and Ivy, Croc and Baby Doll, etc.)

These are [i]comic book movies[/i], and it bothers me when people say how unrealistic or ridiculous it would be to put a character like Clayface in the films, while arguing that Mr. Freeze deserves his own film. This isn't a movie about World War 2, a suspension of disbeflief is required to remotely enjoy any of these films.[/size]
[quote]And Hush was a crime to Batman comics if you don't count the artwork. Everyone saw it coming a mile away, and once it did, it turned out that the villain had the least believable motive I'd ever heard of in my entire life. Just pathetic. And then there's the "villain parade" that's so typical of Loeb's story arcs. If they did make it into a movie, it would ONLY be ok because of the 1-minute-long Batman/Superman fight.[/quote]
[size=1]Hush is slowly developing into one of the more interesting Bat-foes, and is probably the most significant contribution to the rogue's gallery since Bane. Someone, or something has taken on the persona of Hush again, and is running around in the Batman comics causing all sorts of trouble. I like the idea of Hush being so manipulative, and if nothing else his appearance is very striking. The fact that everyone in Gotham was suspected to be Hush at one point says a lot. It's not often you can accuse Comissioner Gordon and the Joker as being major suspects in the same crime.

Once you get down to it, there aren't many good Batman villains left.
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[*][strike]Joker[/strike] [color=red]Killed in [i]Batman[/i][/color]
[*][strike]Penguin[/strike] [color=red]Killed in [i]Batman Returns[/i][/color]
[*][strike]Catwoman[/strike] [color=red]Killed by Halle Berry[/color]
[*]Riddler[color=green] Alive![/color]
[*][strike]Two-Face[/strike] [color=red]Killed in [i]Batman Forever[/i][/color]
[*][strike]Mr. Freeze[/strike] [color=red]Killed by Joel Schumaker[/color]
[*][strike]Poison Ivy[/strike] [color=red]Killed by Joel Schumaker[/color]
[*][strike]Bane[/strike] [color=red]Killed by Joel Schumaker[/color][/list]
Now onto what we have left..

[list][*]Ra's Al Gul
[*]Scarecrow
[*]Mad Hatter
[*]Harley Quinn
[*]Lady Shiva
[*]Killer Croc
[*]Clayface
[*]Rat Man (or whatever his name is)
[*]Man-Bat
[*]Hush
[*]The Puppeteer and Scarface
[*]*insert painfully obscure villains here*[/list]

I'm probably forgetting someone important, but that's not exactly an all-star team. Visually, some of the more interesting villains are left, but they suffer from some terrible origins, or are just boring to begin with. A lot of people seem to love Man-Bat, but I think if you are planning to do a Man-Bat movie you might as well pull out the Lazarus Pit and resurrect someone better instead.

Needless to say, the Batman universe has more quality material to work with than any other comic book property. I'd gladly pay full admission to see any of them duke it out with Batman on the big screen (except for the rat guy.)

That's my Bat-rant. Thank you. Even with mediocre villains, there is still an awful lot to work with. I'm looing forward to whatever direction the new series of Batman movies decides to take, whether that being a complete relaunch of continuity, or using different characters that haven't had a chance to appear on the big screen before.

-Shy[/size]

[Jokopoko]

[COLOR=TEAL][SIZE=1]I've been keeping my ear pretty close to the ground for more news of Superhero Movies [Marvel mainly] and I've heard some pretty funny rumours for a few of them.

Apparantly in the new [B]Iron-Man[/B] film there is talk of having pretty boy Leo playing Tony Stark and that would kill it in my opinion. Stark is a middle age guy not a pretty boy teen *gags* but the idea of an Iron-Man sounds pretty nifty but only if they have a good actor playing Stark, I was thinking Tom Cruise would be good for the role.

I've heard news of a [B]Fantastic Four[/B] film in the making and I don't profess to be much of a FF fan to be honest but the more Marvel the better :p I say, would be interesting to see how they do the effects for their powers seeing as they would all be pretty effect driven.

[B]X-Men 3[/B] should be very interesting. I'm hoping for something with S.H.I.E.L.D., Hydra or the Shi'ar Empire personally. I realise the Shi'ar is a long shot but it's pretty obvious Jean is a live and is Phoenix now [If you have keen eyes at the end of X2 it is REALLY obvious] but it'd be cool to see Nick Fury on the Big Screen and who knows, Cap might make a cameo appearance.

And after watching Spider-Man 2 [Which ruled] it is very plain to see who the villian will be in [B]Spider-Man 3[/B]. [spoiler]It's very clear that it will be Green Goblin 2 after Harrys episode toward the end and the revealing of the Goblin hideout and the love story with Peter and MJ will carry on.[/spoiler] This isn't in the film so it don't count it as a spoiler but it'd be fun to see the Lizard as a villian as well, could be interesting.[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=Shy][size=1]Once you get down to it, there aren't many good Batman villains left.
[list]Riddler[color=green] Alive![/color][/list][/size][/quote]

[SIZE=1]Actually Shy I'd just like to point out that The Riddler was driven insane by his thought absorbing invention, to the point where he end of in an insane asylum. As much as I'd like to see that being a ruse in The Riddler's carefully laid plot to finally defeat Batman, I'm afraid you might as well cross him off as well.

The fact that Christian Bale is to play the new Batman in a great step in the right direction in terms of choice for the title part. Most of the actors who played Batman (save Michael Keaton) such as Val Kilmer and George Clooney focused too much in being Bruce Wayne and not enough into being Batman. After Bale's performance in Equilibrium I'm confident he can capture the "Dark Knight" persona quite well and I look forward to see him in the Batmobile.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Jokopoko][COLOR=TEAL][SIZE=1]Apparently in the new [B]Iron-Man[/B] film there is talk of having pretty boy Leo playing Tony Stark and that would kill it in my opinion. Stark is a middle age guy not a pretty boy teen *gags* but the idea of an Iron-Man sounds pretty nifty but only if they have a good actor playing Stark, I was thinking Tom Cruise would be good for the role.[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

[SIZE=1]Dear God no, I'd hate to see Cruise take on the role of Ironman, I have nothing against Cruise but I don't think the part would suit him at all. I think that Jonathan Frakes would make a very good Ironman (yeah Will Riker from Star Trek), laugh if you will but I think he's got a sharper side to him that would suit the role.

I think that there are a lot of excellent but underused T.V. actors who would do very well in Hollywood. That is of course if directors would simply stop using big names to, in the words of Guy Ritchie put bums on seat. Look at Jonathan Statham, a gem of an actor that nobody had ever heard of before he starred in Ritchie's films, and now he has the potential to become the next Clint Eastwood.[/SIZE]

[natetron46]

[quote name='Jokopoko][COLOR=TEAL][SIZE=1]It's very clear that it will be Green Goblin 2 after Harrys episode toward the end and the revealing of the Goblin hideout and the love story with Peter and MJ will carry on.[/SIZE'][/COLOR][/quote]

if im not mistaken, the "green goblin 2" is called the hob goblin.

[Manic Webb]

[quote name='natetron46']if im not mistaken, the "green goblin 2" is called the hob goblin.[/quote]
You're mistaken. Green Goblin 2 is Harry Osborn. Hob Goblin is some other jerk.