Heero Darkangel Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Where i come from they're thinking of banning violent cartoons and animes such as all DBZ cartoons, Yu-Gi-Oh etc...Why? because they think it's not good for kids and teens to be watching that sort of non-educational programming...they say that it destroy's the youths minds and thats why there's alot of street wars, suicides, bullying, killing...etc... My opinion on this...It's stupid, Fancy blamming cartoons for something that will always happen. They think that getting rid of Cartoons and Animes will bring down the violency toll and create more peace throughout the youth but what about the violence in movies, books etc..Cartoons and Animes have nothing to do with the violence in youth today...sure there have been some that have tried acting like their fav characters but thats just like acting like your fav sports star and yeah a couple have been hurt doing that but thats no reason to ban cartoons and animes all because of two teens who should of known better is it?...for crying out loud!!!! why punish all of the cartoon and anime lovers for two teens stupid mistake...this is totally screwed up... Share your opinion on this, am i the only one who thinks that this is insane!!!! I edited my thread a bit because of the i got a post from densuke (I think i spelt the name right) claiming that there are too many hotheads which naturally there would be because it is a touchy subject for cartoon lovers, I'm not looking for answers because that ruling is up to the government over here, i can't stop them if they decide to ban violent cartoons...Don't get me wrong I'm not impressed about what they're thinking of doing but as i said I just wanted to see what others thought of this. Now the name of the country i am talking about is NZ, this is where i'm from. A few years ago they were thinking of banning violent cartoons to keep the peace here but then noone heard anything about it until a while ago when the topic resurfaced, they had it on the news and they ran a servey about it on the Good Morning Show, some people agreed and some didn't. The government are still thinking about it and if there is anyone from NZ who is on here then YOU SHOULD KNOW! Now the only thing i wanted to know was what was your opinion on this...I didn't want to cause any conflict between anyone. I didn't want people thinking that this is a joke or someone asking for a summary on this subject all because they thought that there were too many hotheads and that i was looking for Answers! thats not what i wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kloudy_Grey Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I completely agree with you that it is not fair. However, they have done the same thing with video games. It is human nature to take the easy way out/ blame something which is seemingly unrevelant. Reguardless, yes it is stupid. Since they are banning violent cartoons where you are, will then ban fast food becasue it can cause obesity? Then if they do that (however highly unlikely) then where will it stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo Tremaine Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 [COLOR=#503F86]It's a case of scapegoating- people try to find something to blame their problems on so they don't have to take responsibility for it. But if parents sat down with their children and took proper care of them like they're supposed to, children wouldn't be violent in the first place, regardless of the programmes they watch. The exact same thoughts were brought forward in the UK when Pokemon first arrived. They'll get used to it- I seriously doubt they'd put a bn on it, especially when other programmes are far more violent. In the UK, TV soaps are watched by thousands more kids than animes are, and the violence in those is far more realistic- I think they're more likely to cause violent behaviour than anything else. But then, there isn't a huge amount of evidence to show that TV programmes [i]alone[/i] cause such behaviours anyway. You'd have to have a certain kind of violent predisposition to consider things like that in the first place.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlawstar69 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 While it is true that most people who strike out in violence in one way or another have problems long before they listened to that band, played that game, or watched that show, those things due have an influence. Not as strong as the naysayers may try to tell you, but still... Does anyone remember when the psychologists were saying that "Violent video games desensitize nation's youth!" and so on? It's true... even the US government, as part of it's newer armed forces training, uses it's own very violent game to desensitize the soldiers. And during active battle, with their com. sets, the soldiers can listen to music, and guess what some of them listen to: the ultra violent music in question. I don't remember band names, but with songs like, "Let the bodies hit the floor" and "burn mother****** burn", which they say helps them get "in the mood"... you can't deny the effect. Does that mean they should ban said forms of media? No, but would I want my 5 year old to listen to that as they ride the bus? or a 14 year old playing that game at a friend's house? No way. Would I care if they were old enough, and mature enough so that it wouldn't stunt their personality? nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue]Listen, it?s hard and if they ban anime I'll freak out --> :wigout: lol, but really, Solo is right. If the sun got closer to the earth by one millimetre, scientists would blame it on smokers or something insane. I'm using that as an example by the way, I know it ain?t true. But really, the Simpsons can get pretty violent but I doubt they?d ever want to ban that cartoon, most of the people in government probably watch it anyway! But really, if parents let their kids watch 'unsuitable programs' then it isn?t the TVs fault, it's down to bad parenting, right? Over here we have Outlaw Star and that's played at 11 o'clock at night or something, I guess that's because [U]young[/U] children shouldn?t be watching an anime like that, and I kinda agree. But banning it all together would be silly and a waste of time.....but if they do ban anime where you are, kid, just laugh at them when they see how much the ratings fall.[/COLOR] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natetron46 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Why dont they just creatively schedule the shows, such as putitng hrem late at night when impressionable kids dont watch tv, which honestly, to my knowledge is what they do. I dont think the problem is with anime, millions of people watch anime and are prefectly fine. I think the problem could be that some wierdos that crave violence end up watching more mature anime, which is violent, that way their attitude simply comes back to some show they watched on adult swin or something like that. They cant ban it, freedom of speach/expression is the soul of this country, thats why we are a country in the first place, because some people decided to speak and act for what they wanted. This is rediculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inuyasha311 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I don't know what messed up town you live in but,that is going to far. I don't know about anyone else but,when I'm mad or upset or even alittle depressed anime will always make me feel better. If parents don't want their kids to watch then block it. All the anime I have watched had a rating of teen14. And I hate it when they put the blame on something else instead of what they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syk3 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Hold up, go back for a second. When you say "where you come from", what do you mean? Your city, your state, your country? And how do they plan to ban anime and cartoons? By taking them off tv and out of stores? O_o It seems very unlikely that they would find a way to do ban all forms of animation, in the first place, realistically. Obviously they should know that regardless of what they think is right or wrong, it's essentially up to a child's parents and what they think is okay for their kid to watch. My parents, for example, let me and my younger brother who only recently turned 14 watch R rated movies whenever we want, because they don't want to shelter us from the harsh realities of the world when we finally move out on our own. They feel that people who are overly sheltered might have more of a backlash when they finally get out of their parent's watchful eyes. It's those kids you need to watch out for. ;) Anime and cartoons are the same way, and even though I doubt they pay much attention to the ratings on those, I don't think they would really care, either. Or rather.. not so much not care, as not mind. Of course, there are other parents who don't want their kid to see PG-13 until they're 13, R until they're 17, etc., and for those parents they should put more violent animes and cartoons on later and also allow those parents to restrict their kids from watching them if they wish to do so. And as far as I know, they already do that, so I don't really see the problem. As for the support that you say that they are using, that doesn't really make much sense, lol. First of all, I find anime and cartoons to be educational to an extent, and encourage brain power rather than waste it. It exposes you to another culture and other ideas, and if they were to take that away, they would also have to take away other "violent" programs that aren't animated, which would just leave PBS. Like Solo said, it isn't the media that you need to put the blame on, it's the parents who never taught their kids right from wrong. In any case, I don't really feel that this a realistic attempt to ban animation, so don't look for any excuse to complain about it, heh. Because honestly, we could all complain for days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiro_Ryuu Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 This world is so full of idiots and hypocrytes. What kind of people would want to ban anime? Freedom is the soul of this country so you and everyone else who loves anime should be allowed to watch it. It shouldn't be banned, that would just be going too extreme. As for the whole influencing the mind thingie, live action movies that are violent are violent in a more realistic way and although some anime can be violent, it is animated and less realistic so a live action violent movie would be worse IMO. And if they DO ban anime because they influence the way people think, I would hope that they ban hip-hop and gangster rap too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Like Syk said, it would help greatly if you told us where you're from. Culturally speaking, a small town in the United States is naturally bound to be quite different from a large city in the Middle East. Several of the replies in this thread were basically founded upon the assumption that you live in a democracy. ~Dagger~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solo Tremaine Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 [quote name='outlawstar69']While it is true that most people who strike out in violence in one way or another have problems long before they listened to that band, played that game, or watched that show, those things due have an influence.[/quote][color=#503f86]I didn't say they didn't have any influence at all, I said that anyone who'd think about practicing those behaviours would already have to have some kind of predisposition to act violently; either through early development or innate instinct. And when they do see something that affects them in that way, they're more likely to react than normal people. It isn't a case of anyone who watches it becomes more violent- it all depends on their upbringing.[/color] [color=#503f86][/color] [color=#503f86]I'm not denying they don't affect you- the first time I saw Princess Mononoke I was pretty shocked, and I even felt a bit sick. There were times even in Digimon where I thought something was too violent for some kids to see. But now I watch it without a second thought. It doesn't mean I find it any more acceptable for it to happen in reality; it just doesn't shock me so much because I'm used to it. And that's all part of growing up, really. A lot of adults seem to forget that children have to grow into adults some day, which means that inevitably they have to find out what happens in the world- both good and bad. While animes may be violent, as Syk3 said they can also be educational. And above all they're meant for entertainment, to put across a story that evokes a certain kind of emotion, depending on the show. So they're meant to have some kind of effect anyway, although it's not necessarily meant to be permanent.[/color] [quote name='outlawstar69']Does anyone remember when the psychologists were saying that "Violent video games desensitize nation's youth!" and so on? It's true... even the US government, as part of it's newer armed forces training, uses it's own very violent game to desensitize the soldiers. And during active battle, with their com. sets, the soldiers can listen to music, and guess what some of them listen to: the ultra violent music in question. I don't remember band names, but with songs like, "Let the bodies hit the floor" and "burn mother****** burn", which they say helps them get "in the mood"... you can't deny the effect.[/quote]Not[color=#503f86] everyone who goes into the army are bright, innocent and untainted people. They'd already have to have a lust and excitement to do that kind of thing, otherwise they wouldn't have signed up in the first place. Otherwise I'm sure a lot of intelligent people would leave in disgust. You don't join the army for the hell of it- you do it because it's what you want to do. Hence, only people of a certain nature get far enough to experience that level of mental affliction.[/color] [quote name='outlawstar69'] Does that mean they should ban said forms of media? No, but would I want my 5 year old to listen to that as they ride the bus? or a 14 year old playing that game at a friend's house? No way. Would I care if they were old enough, and mature enough so that it wouldn't stunt their personality? nope.[/quote][color=#503f86]What you would want your children to listen to is entirely up to you. But they can't be protected forever. What people have to do is make sure that regardless of what they might see and do, parents talk to their children so that they understand right from wrong and don't do what they're shown on TV. [i]That's[/i] where the problem lies.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
densuke Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 The very idea of starting this thread has little to do with a reasonable discussion. The inflammatory and provocative language is not balanced by anything which bears thinking about. If this thread is a reaction to some event which has taken place it is vital that a summary of the event in question be provided. I can see that some have answered the call to arms, but I don't see anything here but a bit of hotheadedness in search of more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Doherty Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I hate it when people like this decide, " Hey, what are we gonna blame on the worlds problems today? I know how about T.V. shows!" This is possibly the stupidest reason for violence I have heard of yet. I mean, most of these animes are based on history for cryin' out loud. The reason for increased violence, suicides, bullying, etc is that the world is becoming more stressful. More pressure is being put upon the people of the world today what with wars, and failing businesses. If anything anime is an escape from violence. When you watch it you can relate to the characters, you feel content, you relax, there's no pressure, just sit back and enjoy. Anime isn't the problem, ignorance is. This cannot be allowed, this type of censorship is absolutey asinine. Trust me, you ban anime, there's going to be an INCREASE in violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davethestampede Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Hmmm.... I don't think TV should be edited for content at all. Only because you as a viewer have the option to turn it off. You do not have to watch TV so therefore you should be responsible for what you decide to watch and I don't think anime or any show should be banned. Its kind of like "Swim at your own risk". The only reason i believe they edit it is because of its easy accessibility.In case of an accidental view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syk3 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 [quote name='Davethestampede']Hmmm.... I don't think TV should be edited for content at all. Only because you as a viewer have the option to turn it off. You do not have to watch TV so therefore you should be responsible for what you decide to watch and I don't think anime or any show should be banned. Its kind of like "Swim at your own risk". The only reason i believe they edit it is because of its easy accessibility.In case of an accidental view.[/quote]Well, for those mature and old enough to know what they should watch, it's a great idea. But for younger audiences whose parents don't want them to be watching these uncensored programs, they edit programs so that those individuals can still watch it without their parents going through a good deal of worrying about what's on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shibatku Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Banning of cartoons isn't going to stop Allah terrorists from blowing up themselves. I don't think that getting rid of cartoons is good. If you don't have that you can see what a hardcore fight is like then kids might fight to see what one looks like promoting more violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kairi37 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 [font=Courier New][color=royalblue][b]It's true. If you let a younger kid watch something violent or has profanity in it, then they copy it. But, for those of us who are older it is fine to watch anime. They can't ban anime from just a few of those studies. Notice how they seem to do them on the younger children. If they did the studies on older they would notice that violent shows do not affect us. It has to do with how the child is raised. If they are 3 yrs old and watching something violent, then they might copy it. But as I said, older kids know what is right and wrong. They will know not to copy the violent acts. They can't ban anime...You have the right to watch what you want. Anime is just a form of enertainment and poses no threat whatsoever to those who are responsible enough to watch it...[/b][/color][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syk3 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 [quote name='Kairi37][font=Courier New][color=royalblue][b]It's true. If you let a younger kid watch something violent or has profanity in it, then they copy it. But, for those of us who are older it is fine to watch anime.[/b][/color'][/font][/quote]And if a child copies it, it's the parent's obligation to tell them that it's wrong. If these people truely believe that anime and cartoons are really this violent, then think of it as a learning experience for the kids. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natetron46 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Well, its not a positive learning experience, but for kids that watch "bad" of stuff, I think there need to be parents or guardians there to tell them what to do and what not to do, to tell them what is right, that is a parents most important job. You cant blame the kids if there are no responsible adults around to correct them, there are alot fo things that are done that shouldnt be copied, for young kids parents are the ones who should tell them not to do that kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kairi37 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 [font=Courier New][size=2][color=blue][b]Anime should be allowed. It is all on how the parents raise the children...I'm not saying that it should be banned. It just needs to be on late enough so that younger children are not up to watch it...I think everybody has the right to watch anime...[/b][/color][/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest me_leela Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 they are? :( i had no clue...... they have no right to take these shows away from us1 even the lil kids that love them so much, and i don't think many ppl would complain about the shows. aren't they thinking about us too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitokiri shi Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 It would be really stupid if they took off anime and cartoons. My little brother don't even watch them and he's horrible. He gets it off from movies and video games. They should really think of other people before they go and try to do things like that and that's also why most of the shows are rated and that tells the parents if their kids should watch or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natetron46 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Thats true, maybe a few people get bad ideas, but just as many, if not more bad ideas are given off to kids from movies and video games. I dont think that whoever the people are who are opposed to anime can rightfully blame it for the effects that culture as a whole has given off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegeta rocker Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 i don't see why people freak out over stuff like this all the time. They will never ban cartoons anyway, its like the scare over downloading systems...sure things got a bit stricter, but they are far from banned. This won't go very far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightsnow Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 Where do you live and remind me never to go there! I mean please humanity is so stupid!!! The adults and old people and even people our own age blame things they do no understand and because they dont understand it is automaticaly subjected to critisism and stereotyping. I mean for pete sake the stereotype for an anime fan for people who knows nothing about it is a pale sickly person or a big fat fart that never gets off his lazy butt and people think they are totaly recluse. Ok sorry off topic but still because they dont understand it they think its "evil". Ugh just like Harry Potter, but thats another story. Anyway :flaming: :flaming: if dont understand it, they dont want it. But if they just got to watch it and pay attention most anime isnt that bad and sometimes teaches valueable live lessons. But of course because they see something that isnt "christian like" they flip out. Bunch of morons :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: . My opinion (finally) I think they need to stuff it and deal with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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