Discuss Kill Adam Underground [M-LSV]

[James]

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[color=#707875]Okay, I finally got around to making this thread. Basically, Kill Adam Underground is going to be an area for the participants (and any readers) to discuss the RPG itself.

But before I say anything else, I want to mention that this thread isn't for spoilers and stuff. That is, I don't want to actually discuss what happens next in the RPG's story. Instead, I want to focus on the mechanics (if you're having trouble or you don't understand something that's already been written, it can be discussed/answered here). So again, this isn't for the purpose of revealing future stuff...it's for the purpose of discussing existing stuff.

One of the first things I'm doing to do here, is actually post a full listing of the existing chapters, in chronological order (or at least, in linear order from 1 to whatever we're at now).[/color]

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[size=5]Volume 1[/size]


Chapter 1: Diaz and the Autostrada
Chapter 2: Gakuya Abazure
Chapter 3: Porn Superstar
Chapter 4: Adam's Switch
Chapter 5: Two Sides of the Coin
Chapter 6: Trailer Park Wars
Chapter 7: Adam Talks Revenge
Chapter 8: Lelia, Meet Arianna
Chapter 9: Osaka Underground
Chapter 10: Bath House Reflections
Chapter 11: One Last Conversation
Chapter 12: Meet Me at the Astro Lanes

[size=5]Volume 2[/size]

Chapter 13: Goodnight, Mr. Hanzo
Chapter 14: My Persona
Chapter 15: Osaka Invasion
Chapter 16: Behind Bars
Chapter 17: Birth of the Midnight Butterfly
Chapter 18: The Shotgun Stiletto

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[color=#707875]Some people have requested this, so yeah. I'm going to keep it updated all the time.

I'll also use this thread to mention who is next in line to post, just to keep everyone updated.[/color]
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Also, before I finish up this initial post, I want to ask all participants to [b]save the stuff that you don't post[/b]. So if you have any rough ideas or elements that you've removed from your final posts in the RPG, please [b]keep[/b] them around.

If there's enough stuff, I'm going to be making a Deleted Scenes thread, which may include not only Deleted Scenes...but also Director's Cut material (ie: the original versions of stuff that has since been edited).

I encourage you to play around with multiple ideas before posting, both because it'll give us material for this new thread, but also because it will hopefully help you in your writing.

So...if anyone wants to get the ball rolling on anything, I'm ready. ~_^[/color]

[Malkav]

The daughter is a sexy character. But I was wondering about this whole leader of the den of snakes thing. When I do rp with her, that means she wont be able to go anywhere on her own (what crime boss does that?). So when I do rp, will I have to implement multiple character ideas and feelings or am I supposed to make a bunch of one dimensional side items who just stand around while the daughter works?

[Shy]

[quote name='Malkav']The daughter is a sexy character. But I was wondering about this whole leader of the den of snakes thing. When I do rp with her, that means she wont be able to go anywhere on her own (what crime boss does that?). So when I do rp, will I have to implement multiple character ideas and feelings or am I supposed to make a bunch of one dimensional side items who just stand around while the daughter works?[/quote]
[size=1]If you read the original post featuring The Daughter you'll see that the Den of Snakes was poorly guarded (Yasuo felt that his daughter was the only real protection neccessary, other members of his entourage were no more than decoration.) Whether or not she keeps her father's entourage is entirely up to you. She may choose to recruit her own group, or just do everything solo.

For reference, Yasuo's daughter appeared in my posts in [i]Osaka Underground[/i], [i]Diaz and the Autostrada[/i], and the footnotes to [i]Trailer Park Wars[/i].

-Shy[/size]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]Well, the things I want to say about Kill Adam are basically things that I've already discussed with people within the RPG. I just find it really fun to participate in because it transcends the movie so much. It's not merely an RPG based on a movie, it's its very own story. I like how EVERY character gets the full treatment and each and every one of them gets developed. That was one things that bothered me in Kill Bill: Why was it so necessary to know so much about the past of O-Ren, but not Vernita Green? What exactly DO we know about Vernita Green? You see what I mean? I also like how the chapter system is set up because it allows you to post on your own time and not have to worry about keeping up with the entire story and worrying about getting behind.

And speaking of, it's my turn to post. I really don't do a rough draft or plan out ideas, though, I just go with what my heart is inspired to do at the time. I guess it's sort of like improv. It's how I wrote all my papers in high school: I never prepared an outline or thought out what I was going to do, I just did it.

Anywho, that's my first post. I guess I'll post again later and talk about individual chapters that I like and what I like about them. Whoo.[/color][/size]

[Arcadia]

[quote name='Queen Asuka][color=hotpink][size=1]I like how EVERY character gets the full treatment and each and every one of them gets developed. That was one things that bothered me in Kill Bill: Why was it so necessary to know so much about the past of O-Ren, but not Vernita Green? What exactly DO we know about Vernita Green? [/color'][/size][/quote]
[size=1]I agree with La Tori about this. Part of what appealed to me so much about Kill Bill was the amount of depth that went into some of the characters. All the members of the Viper Assassination Squad got a moment, though some obviously got more than others. I think that Vernita Green got shafted on hers because her story was probably the most straight-forward, and it was kind of like a miniature version of one the important themes in Kill Bill. She chose to be a mother and a wife over everything else, like The Bride; that took priority in her life.

Kill Adam has done really well with bringing that sort of character development over into the RPG. What motivates each person, what makes them tick, how experiences from their pasts factor in, all these little things are finally being highlighted on, even more than what was in the movie, and it's pretty cool. In fact, I'd say that it's helped to put more of an emphasis on character development in the Arena in general. [/size]

[Semjaza]

I remember way back James and I were discussing single character chapters. I asked if I'd have to do one and he said it was up to me. I promptly told him I wasn't interested.

At the time I had no interest in developing Persona. Despite writing things about him that alluded to his past, I really didn't to make him a deep character. To me, he was simply a killing machine and that was that. In fact, I honestly mainly joined Kill Adam because I wanted to write posts where I got to kill people off. Not for character development or story progression, but just deaths.

However, I suppose there's only so much you can do with that and I had considered approaching James about making my own chapter. However, I never did, and so I was rather surprised to find that I was the first writer after the opening post.

I put it off for awhile, but forced myself to do it eventually. I didn't want a repeat of Kill Adam Vol. 1 where there were literally weeks between posts. I sat down, wrote it all stream of consciousness with no prior planning and cleaned it up. That was it. I ditched a couple scenes and ideas I had as I wrote it, but it's really just the first and only draft of the post.

I'm honestly still surprised it turned out decently and even more surprised by some of the nice comments I've gotten about it. The ones from Shy and James in particular, since they're obviously the mainstays of the RPG.

So yeah, my basic point is that character development is good and really makes the violence aspects that much more enjoyable heh.

[James]

[color=#707875]Yeah, I think I can speak for everyone when I say that My Persona was a very well written chapter. Seeing Persona's development as a character actually makes him a lot more frightening in my mind.

When I think about previous RPGs that I've been in - ones without a chapter system - I realize that there is rarely a great opportunity to actually stop for a moment and delve into a character's past. You can obviously write a post with a flashback and stuff...and that's what a lot of people do. But segmenting everything seems to make it a lot clearer, at least, in my mind.

In terms of getting the RPG moving forward...I'm actually starting to think forward a bit more myself. As in, I'm starting to layout some chapter ideas earlier than usual and I'm also starting to write certain sections a bit earlier as well.

I was considering an idea where I actually use this thread to post [b]two[/b] chapters. As in, the current chapter and the [b]next[/b] chapter. This way, the writers involved can begin drafting ideas and stuff for the upcoming chapter, well before it arrives.

This is a bit difficult in the case of the current chapter though, because of the sequential posting. I mean, you could forseeably write a whole post that becomes irrelevant because the post before yours contradicts it. In that sense, it's really tough -- and in that sense, I prefer to keep things more traditional, by allowing people to write the post after they've seen what the previous post contains.

Also, just as a footnote for the current chapter...you guys don't have to write large posts in this chapter if you don't want to. Considering the amount of people posting, it's only necessary to make each post a "segment" or section of the overall chapter.

Of course, I want you to include what you feel you must. But please don't feel that you need to write something enormous just to keep the quality up or something. I'm really happy with everything so far and above all else, I want it to be fun for you. ^_^[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]Yes, Tony, your chapter was REALLY GOOD. I read it relatively quick, despite the length of it. It freaked me out, especially when he killed the cat. I'm such an animal lover, so I was squirming just a bit. I LOVED how in the end it was the chic who started the fire and ruined his big moment for him. Classic.

More later, got to run.[/color][/size]

[James]

[color=#707875]Okay, just to let you guys know, I've slightly edited the posting order for this chapter. It's taking too long for the next post to arrive, and I want to move things along.

Since QA is away at the moment, I've moved Heaven's Cloud up by one spot; HC, I'm asking you to post next. QA can post after you.

This will give Queen Asuka a little more time and some leeway, while still keeping the RPG moving.[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]James, you are so awesome. Thanks for moving me back one. And now I actually have time within the next day or two to work on my post and get it up. I know that it doesn't have to be long, but I'm trying to come up with something creative, as it's pretty much free reign. I really like HC's post, it was pretty interesting. I'm glad he got the folks on the boat and I didn't have to write that part. ^_^;

So yes, look forward to seeing my post SOON. Sorry for the hold up.[/color][/size]

[James]

[color=#707875]No worries, Tori. I thought that giving you a bit more time would allow you to have a bit more freedom and flexibility with your post.

It's actually great to experiment; I'm really pleased with the concept of actually creating a posting order. It makes things so much easier and more organized.

All of you will have a break next chapter, as I anticipate that it will involve Jamie and Joshua exclusively. After that, we'll see the introduction of The Daughter. I hope to include at least one major chapter involving Hattori Hanzo as well. For those of you playing those two new characters, I apologize if it seems like things are moving a bit slowly -- my intention was to introduce those characters toward the middle of the RPG. In any case, you guys will probably end up with one-post chapters, or chapters that revolve primarily around your characters.

Also...before I go, I want to remind everyone to please save any notes or drafts that you do for Kill Adam: Volume 2. Even if it seems really insignificant (just basic dot point notes or early versions of stuff you've written), I'd like you to keep it around. Once the RPG is over, I'll be asking everyone to submit that stuff, so that we can do a "DVD Extras" style thread (which will probably appear in OB Anthology or even in this thread).

Some of you have mentioned that you tend to just type your post and you don't have drafts. However, I also know that some of you, as you're writing your post, go back and delete several paragraphs and re-write them. Even if you do that, I'd like you to save your original work (anything that didn't make it). If I receive enough rough work, I'll do something with it.

If you have any questions about that (or anything else), feel free to ask here.

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Okay, Tori has posted. It's my turn next. I'm also going to update this thread with the next chapter as well. Hopefully if I can do things like that, everyone can be somewhat prepared. Sweetreyes and Tony are after me.[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]Josh sent me a message last night (which my phone recieved at 4:55 am. You psycho) commenting on my Kill Adam post and he said it was my best one yet. I find this sort of amusing because when I read it, I think it is sloppy and sometimes doesn't flow the way I want it to. James used the word "concise" when describing it and said that he liked that it didn't go so much into detail. Point in fact, that's what I DIDN'T like about it, because I'm such a stickler to the details. I don't know; I really enjoyed how it turned out, though, and I am glad that Arianna got to kill the bride. Mwahahaha.[/color][/size]

[Shy]

[quote name='Queen Asuka][color=hotpink][size=1]Josh sent me a message last night (which my phone recieved at 4:55 am. You psycho) commenting on my Kill Adam post and he said it was my best one yet. I find this sort of amusing because when I read it, I think it is sloppy and sometimes doesn't flow the way I want it to. James used the word "concise" when describing it and said that he liked that it didn't go so much into detail. Point in fact, that's what I DIDN'T like about it, because I'm such a stickler to the details. I don't know; I really enjoyed how it turned out, though, and I am glad that Arianna got to kill the bride. Mwahahaha.[/color'][/size][/quote]
[size=1]I loved the little conversations you had in the side column of your post. That part in particular seemed so interesting; it fit Ariana's character perfectly.

When reading it I thought "Poor Ariana. I hope she gets to be happy at the end of this thing." But then I realized that my character had killed her just a few chapters ago. Oh well, dead characters are the most interesting ones, anyway.

-Shy[/size]

[Queen Asuka]

[QUOTE=Shy][size=1]I loved the little conversations you had in the side column of your post. That part in particular seemed so interesting; it fit Ariana's character perfectly.

When reading it I thought "Poor Ariana. I hope she gets to be happy at the end of this thing." But then I realized that my character had killed her just a few chapters ago. Oh well, dead characters are the most interesting ones, anyway.

-Shy[/size][/QUOTE]

[color=hotpink][size=1]Yeah, if only Arianna could have had her happy ending. You know, I guess I could always write a fanfic for my own character where she lives on and doesn't die and gets with Adam and is all happy and romantic, lol. I guess I'm just such a romantic dork that I think of stupid things. I always like to incorporate Adam and Arianna's relationship into all of my posts because I wanted that to be a big part of her character. Even though that's not the main storyline (which it mostly is in Kill Bill), it's an interesting flavor. Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens next and where James takes it from here. A real action packed post, right James? ^_^;[/color][/size]

[James]

[color=#707875]You'll see. ~_^

But yeah, I liked the post a lot. Arianna is an interesting character. In some ways, I think she's a really tragic character too. She had a difficult upbringing and an abusive relationship as a young woman. Things seemed to go from bad to worse for her.

And when she finally finds someone she cares about and who cares for her (Adam), it's in a setting of violence and murder. It seems as though her end is almost inevitable, even though she is a willing participant. So I think that your latest post just serves to solidify that idea even further. Arianna is one of the most well-defined characters in the RPG, I think. You can draw a line right through her history.

I'd have posted sooner, but I've been almost completely unavailable this week. No matter though, I'll be putting my post up during the weekend. ^_^

EDIT: Okay, I've posted. Sweetreyes, it's now your turn.

Basically I've done a couple of things here. One, I've set up a really basic framework that tells you who is located where (who is with Jamie/Joshua and who isn't). Also, I've provided a basic introduction to the proceedings -- you now have an idea of how the actual fight is going to occur. My intention is to have Jamie, Joshua and the Angels enter the wedding hall as guests. Arianna will then reveal herself when Naganori goes to kiss his bride. ~_^

Now, this can be handled in any way that you like. Two people are left to post, so there's still a lot of ground to cover.

As you can see in my post, I've jumped back and forth, chronologically speaking. Not by a huge amount though; my entire post takes place before the massacre, but it jumps back and forth between specific times (within maybe an hour or two).

You guys can handle this in any way that you like. If you don't want to write a fight scene, you don't have to -- you can be as creative as you like. I've even included a little narration in one part of my post and one section includes only dialogue when the lights are out...with dialogue and narrative occurring when the lights come on again. So you can do whatever you like.

Again, I encourage you to have fun with it. You can dip into the past, into specific events, or only show dialogue. It's entirely up to you. ^_^

[b]Update:[/b] Sweetreyes is temporarily out of action, so I'm going to cancel her place in the current chapter. Tony's next. ^_^;[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I was about to post in here about her absence. The show must go on! I'm sure that Tony is going to do an EXCELLENT job.

So James, are you going to have sweetreyes post in a different part, or just leave her post out all together?[/color][/size]

[Semjaza]

I wasn't really prepared to post this soon, but I'll get it done as soon as possible.

I have the bad habit of not reading any of the other posts in the chapter until right before I start my post, so I have a bit of work to do lol

[James]

[color=#707875]To answer your question, Tori, I will leave Sweetreyes' post out entirely. If she's able to return on a more regular basis in future, she's very welcome to come back. And in the future, there will be plenty of opportunity for her to join in with various things...so her place in the story is safe.

Sorry to push things up so soon, Tony. I normally try to be in sequence, but sometimes these events occur. In any case, I'm really looking forward to your post. I'm very pleased that I've taken the opportunity to provide you with more involvement in Volume 2; it's definitely paying off, in terms of making the story that much more enjoyable to read.[/color]

[Hinata]

Sorry I had to be the one to delay the process of the story. But yopu know how unpredicatble weather can be. I just got power back on Sep. 14th and I will continue to follow the story for when I come into play. Again sorry about that. And I will be sure to be more vigilant of when my part comes up again.

P.S. Just pray that FL doesnt get hit by any more hurricanes. Ohh shoot. hehe I forgot. Ivan's already pounding the panhandle... Best of luck to those in Ivan's path.

[Semjaza]

I wanted to apologize for the delay. Finals crept up and now I'm in Florida on a 33.6k dial-up modem. It takes me three minutes just to load up this website.

I printed out everything in the current chapter and have been reading through it. I plan on posting by the afternoon of this coming Saturday at the latest, unless something major happens.

I'm just a little unclear as to how far I'm supposed to go with this chapter. I'm under the impression I'm the final guy and must end this entirely, which is kind of a burden in some ways. If James or Shy could somehow get in contact with me, that'd be helpful.

Thanks.

[James]

[color=#707875]Yeah, you are just supposed to end this one chapter (ie: the mission on the boat). But you don't have to write about the entire Osaka operation if you don't want to.[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! JAMES IS BEATRIX NOW!

Okay, I'm done, lol.

Yeah, I can't wait until the conclusion of this chapter. Well, I can wait, because I realize Tony has a life outside of OtakuBoards, but yeah, you know what I meant.

Also, James, I've been meaning to talk to you about something, so if you see me on AIM, send an IM my way. Yes, it pertains to Kill Adam. :)[/color][/size]

[James]

[QUOTE=Queen Asuka][color=hotpink][size=1]

Also, James, I've been meaning to talk to you about something, so if you see me on AIM, send an IM my way. Yes, it pertains to Kill Adam. :)[/size][/color][/QUOTE]
[color=#707875]Cool, will do...and vice versa.

You know, Quentin Tarantino has often spoke about doing a prequel to Pulp Fiction, called The Vega Brothers.

I am almost inclined to suggest some kind of spin-off that deals exclusively with Arianna (and I know that Shy is planning a spin-off that deals with a weekend in Shanghai and Jamie/Joshua).

I know it's a bit early to talk about that stuff, since KA2 isn't near finished, but still...there's a lot of expandability to our little universe here.[/color]

[Queen Asuka]

[quote name='James][color=#707875']I am almost inclined to suggest some kind of spin-off that deals exclusively with Arianna (and I know that Shy is planning a spin-off that deals with a weekend in Shanghai and Jamie/Joshua).[/color][/quote]

[color=hotpink][size=1]Oh, the irony.

This morning I actually started a story that I've been planning on writing for a LONG TIME. It's in first person from Arianna's point of view and basically it deals with HOW she met Adam and the relationship that evolved from there on out. When I first started writing it, I didn't mean to incorporate so much detail, but I got into the philospophy of love and pornography and I couldn't help myself. I'm sure that you'll LOVE it James, as it is very interesting so far. I'm scared it might come out sounding like one of those stupid romance novels, but I hope that my writing can transcend that level of crap.[/color][/size]

[Queen Asuka]

[color=hotpink][size=1]I hate to double-post, but I believe that Tony has dropped off of the face of the earth. None of his websites exist any longer and his myO site is blank.

He's supposed to be next in line to post.

What are we going to do?[/color][/size]