Gaming Game Wars!

[Guest tzen]

[FONT=Arial Black] hehe .. ok well i just started this thred to know one thing. whats youre favorite consol and game? :devil: i have Xbox, ps2 and gamecube... for a moment my favorite was the gamecube... but i cant play it now couse its in for repairs, and when i thought about it. the gamecube doesent have to many fun games, but the Xbox and PS2 has loads of fun games. right now my absolut favorite is the PS2 couse they have THE best game series in the world FinalFantasy, i mean who doesent think FF is a great game series?? [/FONT]

[natetron46]

I prefer xbox myself. I think it has a better controller which is easier to use and more useful in games. I also think the graphics are better. I had a ps2 and traded it in because i played it about once a week and it still managed to break twice. I think that ps2's arent as durable as they once were. Its to bad too.

[Guest Vash331]

I think the Xbox is much better than the PS2. It has so much more to offer. Better graphics, a more powerful system, built in hardrive to store music and memory, awesome online play, Halo, the only thing it doesn't have is final fantasy. The PS2 does break easily, i mean i've opened up so many PS2's it's not even funny, i've never heard of anybody having problems with their Xbox.
The Gamecube is alright, in my opinion it still beats the PS2...but maybe i'm just saying that because i own a gamecube. Although it does have one game the PS2 will never beat, Super Smash Brothers: Melee. You'll never find a PS2 game that can beat SSBM multiplayer action.

[Guest tzen]

yea super smash is a really funny game... and of course the Xbox is better, but i cant help that even if Xbox has all those great games (wich it really has to) but it just dont beat Final fantasy... still i like the xbox really much couse it has the ability to store music... and then DAMN that harddrive memory it has! sure its really a great machine and Halo a great game to with its internet playing.. but still.. im a extrem ff fan... so i dont think the ps2 is a better machine and it really doesnt have better games than the Xbox, i to think the xbox is better its just that the ff games beat any other game like THAT! =p

[Semjaza]

I'd have to say my favorite system right now is really the Game Boy Advance. I put more hours into the thing on a weekly basis than any console I own. I think the fact that I only really play it on the go strengthens my interest in it though. If I only played it sitting on my couch, I wonder if I'd love it as much.

But with games like Mario Kart: Super Circuit, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Mario & Luigi, Ninja Five-O, Mario Golf: Advance Tour, the Castlevania titles and so forth... I just think it's a great system.

As for consoles, I go in phases I suppose. My favorite is generally whichever one I have a new game for at the time. I rarely buy Xbox games (in fact, I only own two), but I rent them somewhat often. While I really like some games for the system, it's far from my favorite. On average, I don't find it that much more graphically impressive than the other systems, honestly.

I couldn't care less about most FF games (I don't personally think FF is a great series, so I disagree with that comment lol), but I do love RPGs, so PS2 is up there. In the next few months, there's really going to be an explosion of amazing RPGs for the system... Star Ocean 3, Shadow Hearts 2, Phantom Brave, Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga, Mega Man Command Mission (although it's supposedly better on GCN). Not to mention some of the RPGs already out for the thing. Plus it has Amplitude and Frequency, my two favorite music games outside of Samba de Amigo on DC.

GameCube is probably the one I play the most... mostly because I think it has the best balance of pick up and play games and games that require you to invest time. I have some random RPGs for it that I consider the among the best in the last few years, plus most anything from Nintendo that I own is definitely worth purchasing the console for.

To be honest, outside of the upcoming Shin Megami Tensei games, all of the games I'm looking forward to most are on GameCube for the rest of this year.

So I don't have a clear favorite other than the GBA.

[Brasil]

If you think that the FF series is the end-all, be-all of the RPG genre, you need to play more RPGs, lol. Granted, Final Fantasy VI and VII are top-notch, and V is a really fun time, as well, but VIII was absolutely abysmal, and the saving grace of IX was that it played like old-school Final Fantasy. Other than that, the series is pretty bleh, in my opinion (gotta put "in my opinion" there...I don't want to offend people!!!!! OMG!!111!).

Games like KOTOR, KOTOR II, Fable, Jade Empire, Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, Sudeki (and these are just a few RPGs on Xbox), and then Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario 2, Skies of Arcadia Legends, Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (Gamecube), are all excellent games or are shaping up to be.

KOTOR II, Fable, and Jade Empire are probably some of the most highly-anticipated RPGs this year, if not since the next-gen consoles launched.

So, I think it's incredibly silly to base one's system preference only because of one franchise that really is only spectacular through namesake and longevity alone, lol.

That said, I've been playing my Xbox or Gamecube the most lately, I think. Funny thing is, I haven't been playing really new games, except for Tales of Symphonia and Sudeki. My main Cube action has been Metroid Prime and Legend of Zelda: Four Swords, and I have a feeling I'm going to pop in WindWaker today or tomorrow. KOTOR, Elder Scrolls III, and Roadkill have been dominating my Xbox usage, when I'm not playing games I rent.

So, I guess you could say that based upon my gaming tendencies, Xbox and Cube are my favorite systems.

[Morpheus]

My favorite is Gamecube because of exclusivity. Gamecube has SSBM, luigi's mansion, pikmin 2, SMS, MKDD, Wind waker, animal crossing, eternal darkness, harvest moon a wonderful life, wario world, The list goes on and on. PS2 hits second, with ape escape, GTA: san andreas, time crisis, vampire night, and tekken. What good exclusives does xbox have? Project gotham and... that's about it. I buy a system to get stuff that I can't get anywhere else. And you can get the project gotham experience on DC with MSR. So XBOX doesn't even have that.

[Kazuko]

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Edited October 11, 2017 by Kazuko

[Morpheus]

You haven't spent much time with AW2 have you? the game gets good about halfway through orange star.

[Guest tzen]

o man i forgot KOTOR and elder scrolls 3... man those games rule.. though still they are RPG games but they dont have the same gameing experience... couse elder scrolls is in first person wile ff usually is in a bird perspective... and of course KOTOR is in 3 person but it still isent the same couse well its turn based (i love it!) but its turn based so good that it usually doesent show.... exept those irretating moments when the carecters just stand and look at eachother :flaming: ... and thats when the ff series are totaly turn based (though the fights can get a bit slow some times) ... and morrowind is not turn based at all.... but i still like em all... but even if they are all three RPG´s they are very unlike eachother in many ways... =) .....ps: Advanced wars is just sooooo fun=) + finalfantsy tactics advaced is a blast to =) ..... and one more thing... on the xbox live play i agree on that it is extremly expensive... but damn i just love blasting up people i dont know on Halo :devil: hahaha

[BlueYoshi]

[color=teal]Recently I've been playing the PC more than anything. I find the games that are released on it to be so much more convenient to play than on any other console because of certain gameplay barriers they might hold, like bad control systems or bugs. Action games like Max Payne, Hitman, Half-Life, and CS are too manipulative to work at 100% on consoles because of the necessary requirements they bare. If I recall correctly, Max Payne sucked pretty bad on the PS2 for a few reasons. So to speak, Doom 3 should run better on the PC than on the Xbox due to that, but I still anticipate it.

I've not had much reason to play my SP under other circumstances except for on the couch heh. I haven't been into it lately though, I brushed through FFTA and LttP gets pretty boring when you're stuck, so I'd think that it's a case of what games are available that effects how much one would play on it, or any other system for that matter. I personally feel that the SP is solely good for platformers and RPGs; those two genres are hands down the best time killers known to handheld gaming, especially if lifespan is the game's high point. I don't think FPSs, or the likes of it, on the SP are feasible. They may be fun for multiplayer or a little session, but how long before you get completely bored of them for a while? Domestic titles for handhelds have a lesser appeal to me because I know I won't be able to occupy myself with them when I need to.

As far as consoles go, the PSOne takes the cake for me, but not because I don't like the others, it's simply a case of the games available. I haven't paid any attention to FFV or VI, and I've had them sitting on the shelf for so long, so I decided to suddenly play them and see what the ruckus is all about, thus making my PSOne most recently active. Unfortunately, I had a brief problem with getting Disgaea: Hour of Darkness to run on my PS2, so obviously I never got around to playing it. My last encounter with the PS2 must've been a few months ago with Vice City where I'd just mess around or take a drive, but nothing serious. In terms of games I actually played through properly, the last one was FFX2 back in February.

This year's E3 was a good one for Nintendo overall, and I'm looking forward to what's yet to come. Collecting enough money to get a DS is my main priority right now, and I know that it will be more than just a portable system, unlike the SP. With Nintendo's line-up for this year and the next I think the GameCube will be my number one most used console, and FSA and ToS haven't even been released here yet.

So you see, the consoles I play in the present depend entirely on the type of games that are out or I own. People saying they don't like the PS2 or GameCube is just fanboy garbage because I honestly don't see how that has anything to do with it. I might run my mouth on how I prefer other controllers on certain games, but that's only to sustain the quality of the game for when I play it. Some people have different preferences which is fine, however, hating a console for its name doesn't qualify.[/color]

[natetron46]

I think you can count online play and graphics do count, thats what makes it better. There are three main catagories; graphics, online play, and games. And online play is not that expensive, its 90 dollars a year, which is unlimited and you can play as many games as you want.

[BlueYoshi]

[color=teal]I haven't played any games recently that have made me want to go online. The last game that I did go online with was PSO on the GameCube, since then nothing has gotten my interest enough to warrant another good reason to return to online play.

Graphics won't mean anything to me either. Like I said, I'm currently playing FFVI; an old title that doesn't stand its ground when it comes to graphics, but will make amends with its gameplay and battle system, which I think are truly great.[/color]

[Guest Vash331]

[quote name='Morpheus']My favorite is Gamecube because of exclusivity. Gamecube has SSBM, luigi's mansion, pikmin 2, SMS, MKDD, Wind waker, animal crossing, eternal darkness, harvest moon a wonderful life, wario world, The list goes on and on. PS2 hits second, with ape escape, GTA: san andreas, time crisis, vampire night, and tekken. What good exclusives does xbox have? Project gotham and... that's about it. I buy a system to get stuff that I can't get anywhere else. And you can get the project gotham experience on DC with MSR. So XBOX doesn't even have that.[/quote]
Man what about Halo (disregard that it's on the pc)? I'm not sure if these games or exclusive or not, but they're coming out on Xbox first: Fable, Jade Empire, KOTOR 2 (probally will come out for pc too), Halo 2, Ninja Gaiden, Star Wars Battlefront, Top Spin, the list goes on. And besides exclusives on that important, there are a lot of games only coming out for the xbox and pc, so for those console gamers out there it pretty much is exclusive. Oh and what's wrong with Project Gotham?

[Guest tzen]

ooh... man KOTOR II man i neeed to have that game.. must be soo cool... though i wonder how the heck they are gonna do the game couse the many endings in number one... i mean it plays a couple of years after game one right?? i chose the dark side first in number one.. but i played all endings... wonder how they will do it? hmm.. project gotham racing.. is NOT and i repeat NOT fun... or maybe its just couse i hate racing games? hehe.... anyway any one seen the new console on E3 the phantom? looks kind of nice now... you know just downloading the game when you want it... though its brobably expensive like hell or something... =( :flaming:

[Shinmaru]

[quote name='Wingnut Ninja][color=teal']I haven't played any games recently that have made me want to go online. The last game that I did go online with was PSO on the GameCube, since then nothing has gotten my interest enough to warrant another good reason to return to online play.[/color][/quote]

Same here. I'm sure that there will be a few games released eventually that will really make me want to make the leap into online play, but it's not really happening for me right now.

Of the major consoles out right now, the only one I don't have is a PS2. Both my Game Boy Advance and XBox libraries are a bit lacking, for various reasons (most of which include me getting GameCube releases over any GBA or XBox titles I might be interested in). So, yeah, my favorite of the consoles right now is the GameCube.

There are quite a few interesting games coming out in the near future for all the systems I own, but I'm looking forward to the GameCube releases most of all, especially Resident Evil 4, Paper Mario 2 and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. The strong future and the large amount of great games I currently have on my GameCube (I have a pretty substantial library lol) is enough for me to declare the GameCube my favorite of the consoles currently on the market.

However, I do agree with Tony about all the awesome PS2 RPGs coming out. Makes me more than a bit jealous of all the PS2 owners, heh.

[Guest tzen]

[QUOTE=Shinmaru]
There are quite a few interesting games coming out in the near future for all the systems I own, but I'm looking forward to the GameCube releases most of all, especially Resident Evil 4, Paper Mario 2 and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. The strong future and the large amount of great games I currently have on my GameCube (I have a pretty substantial library lol) is enough for me to declare the GameCube my favorite of the consoles currently on the market.[/QUOTE]

right and dont forget THE game coming out to the cube... the new Zelda game! :eek: hehehe... nice.... but yet... THE RPG´s coming to the Ps2 nice..... its like im gonna get really poor... hehehe.... though right now my gamecube games is kind of lacking in numbers kompared to my Ps2 and Xbox.. :laugh:

EDIT:

right bye the bye. any one seen or heard of the phantom? the "new generation console" as they called it .... yea right... for those who does not know of it, you are supposed to be able to download the games directly to youre console from the internet. so you just cant go and buy the game in the store..... :eek: and they also said that theire prices will chock you, ( wonder if they ment that in a good or a bad way? ) :(

[size=1][color=blue]I edited your other post into this post. Next time, don't double post, please. Thanks. - Shinmaru[/size][/color]

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

The Phantom will allow you to download games onto it... ummm... it's basically a gaming-exclusive PC for total morons. You get it for free as long as you subscribe to their "basic" service for two years (a total of $720; if you agree you should just kill yourself to remove yourself from the gene pool honestly). Their basic service includes bees and cheese and pac man for all I care. Maybe Quake 2. To get decent games you have to pay extra to "rent" or buy.

Honestly, you'd be a better person just getting a half-decent computer and then downloading pirated games. And you'd be a richer person if you just bought all the games you wanted for your PC from the store.

[Ronin_K]

[quote name='tzen][FONT=Arial Black'] hehe .. ok well i just started this thred to know one thing. whats youre favorite consol and game? :devil: i have Xbox, ps2 and gamecube... for a moment my favorite was the gamecube... but i cant play it now couse its in for repairs, and when i thought about it. the gamecube doesent have to many fun games, but the Xbox and PS2 has loads of fun games. right now my absolut favorite is the PS2 couse they have THE best game series in the world FinalFantasy, i mean who doesent think FF is a great game series?? [/FONT][/quote]

i really have to disagree here. from what i understand, you like graphics, and epic RPGs. correct? well, i dont understand how you could believe that FF is better than Tales of Symphonia for GC. i mean, it has a great storyline, and amazing graphics. not to mention, the controls and the battle system is very agreeable. A is attack, X is block, etc... and the battle system includes ATK, DEF, HP points and also a live-action battling so you can actually plan your attacks. for example, you're facing a short opponent that is blocking your attacks...here's what you do:
1) jump over the enemy
2) attack from behind so guard breaks
3) keep attacking so enemy will recoil and be unable to attack.

or if he is a strong opponent:
1) move away from enemy and avoid attacks
2) modify other characters strategies so that they use long-distance attacks and stay a distance from the enemy

sorry for the long shpeil but i hate when people overlook games as good as this one. i mean its better than any FF game i personally know of. so, for the record, my favorite system is GC because of TOS and Zelda.

i also want to apologize for any hard-core responses i may have had. im sorry for sounding like a madman but i always hate it when people always talk about how great FF is :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: . personally, i think it was better on GC... :p . not to mention, theyve had too many too fast(lets see, seven games in 5 years :eek: !? tha's just silly)
personally, i think that GC does have better games rather than more games,(honestly, of all the PS2 games, how many are actually good? bout 80% of all PS2 games are all crap!! im tellin ya, quality is MUCH better than quantity) not to mention the multiplayer capabilities, and i also think the graphics are way better than the other two systems. sure theyr not as realistic but it goes together much more smoothly (lets use LOZ: WindWaker from GameCube and that one James Bond game from a couple years back from XBOX)
now, i think i finally said my piece...but if i need to say more then ill just edit this again

[James]

[color=#707875]The Phantom shouldn't be knocked so easily. It's an incredibly ambitious project and the fact that they're actually puttting it together reasonably well is a testament to the developers. So-called "hardcore" gamers may absolutely loathe the concept, but there are a hell of a lot of gamers out there who are perfect for Phantom.

Anyway, that aside...

I should preface my post by saying that I rarely play console games these days. I'm at a point where I only play a few console games here and there. Part of it is simply because at this stage, I can't afford to buy as many games as I used to. But also, there are seemingly less games that interest me now (although there are quite a few that I'm looking forward to over the next year and a half).

Having said that, if I had to choose one console over the others, it would be GameCube. Oddly enough, I probably play GameCube less than the other platforms (well, less than PS2 anyway). But I would tend to choose GameCube because the value of a new Mario, Zelda or other big Nintendo title is worth 30 good PS2 titles to me. I get a tremendous amount from individual games that I truly adore.

So far, GameCube has not disappointed me, but it's fair to say that the second half of its life will be far more entertaining (and wallet-draining) for me. There are just too many games to look forward to; Paper Mario 2, Pikmin 2, Metroid Prime: Echoes, Resident Evil 4, Donkey Konga, Donkey Kong's Jungle Beat, etc etc...

I'm looking forward to a few PS2 games, but right now GameCube has most of the stuff that I'm personally interested in.

Still, I would say that each system has its moments. There are some stunning PS2 games, which I'm so glad I bought. And while I don't own an Xbox, there are definitely plenty of cool titles on that system that interest me; just not enough to warrant buying one at the current price.

I think we have to underline that there's a difference between what we like (our personal tastes) and what the "market" likes. Each console is successful for different reasons and when I see these back and forth "debates" about which console is better...I just find it ridiculous. As a gamer, I'm more interested in looking at [i]everything[/i] that I can, rather than blocking something out because of its brand name or its unconventional concept. This has happened with the Phantom already; without even considering the sensible business model behind it or even giving it a chance in your own living room. But alas, it happens.

Also, I think that we are so lucky right now as gamers. Not only are games getting better and better in general, but there are so many new things to look forward to in the near future.

Not only the next gen consoles and second/third generation games, but also new machines like PSP and Nintendo DS (both of which are going to be great).

All of this cool hardware and software makes me think that I'm going to have to find a way to make more money, because I can't afford it all. <_<;

[b]Edit:[/b] Oh, and before I forget...I want to point out that the visual differences on each game console are marginal at best. The idea that you have Xbox > GameCube > PS2 in some linear model with graphics is very silly.[/color]

[Guest tzen]

[QUOTE=Ronin_K]i really have to disagree here. from what i understand, you like graphics, and epic RPGs. correct? well, i dont understand how you could believe that FF is better than Tales of Symphonia for GC. i mean, it has a great storyline, and amazing graphics. not to mention, the controls and the battle system is very agreeable. A is attack, X is block, etc... and the battle system includes ATK, DEF, HP points and also a live-action battling so you can actually plan your attacks.

i also want to apologize for any hard-core responses i may have had. im sorry for sounding like a madman but i always hate it when people always talk about how great FF is :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: . personally, i think it was better on GC... :p . not to mention, theyve had too many too fast(lets see, seven games in 5 years :eek: !? tha's just silly)
[/QUOTE]

well sure the GC has really fun and great games.... yet i dont think all the games from the FF searies is great some actually suck ( like FF VIII... :flaming: :flaming: ) DEVIL MAY EAT THAT GAME AND POOP IT OUT IN THE SEWERS!! well still i have played Tales of symphonia ... and really its a good game, yet its not my kind of battle system or play style.... i mewan i like the FF games turnbased system when i actually can scan the aponent and know wich kind of magic or summon i should use, and i also like the way they put in all the comedy in to the stories in all the games :D . but im not saying that Tales of symphonia is a bad game, its still fun ( just not my kind of game ) and for the last u said that FF to the GC is better... well personaly i think that that game is the second ( FF VIII ) that totaly destroyed the FF games feeling, its not a good story or anything in it, though still in some kind of sick *** way i still enjoy playing it :nervous: ... a well i should stop writing now and say im sorry for racking down other great games and saying that FF is the best games ever, (yet i think so :tasty: )

and now for the Phantom :devil: ... personaly i have checked it out a bit and im kinda impresed how they made it but yet.... i mean look at the frekkin prices?! whos gonna pay it to play games thats been out to other consols a long long time now, and to download theire own labeld games for a extra fee!! :eek: now thats a eek moment.... well personaly im not gonna buy the junk... and if u look back at their phantom 1 that they said would revulutionise the gaming industry... It was a scam.. couse they made a prototype to show of with, but they never made it actually, they just made money on showing of the prototype and never realesed the actuall game. i mean what?! :demon:

[James]

[QUOTE=tzen]
and now for the Phantom :devil: ... personaly i have checked it out a bit and im kinda impresed how they made it but yet.... i mean look at the frekkin prices?! whos gonna pay it to play games thats been out to other consols a long long time now, and to download theire own labeld games for a extra fee!! :eek: now thats a eek moment.... well personaly im not gonna buy the junk... and if u look back at their phantom 1 that they said would revulutionise the gaming industry... It was a scam.. couse they made a prototype to show of with, but they never made it actually, they just made money on showing of the prototype and never realesed the actuall game. i mean what?! :demon:[/QUOTE]

[color=#707875]You don't pay an "extra fee" to download games.

You don't even buy the hardware.

You simply sign-up to a subscription service and you receive the hardware for free. When you do that, you are given immediate access to a large library of existing software that is downloadable without an extra fee. But you can pay to download certain software (I imagine the latest stuff), which would probably end up being cheaper than regular renting at any rate.

Secondly, the first Phantom wasn't a joke. They intended to produce it. But for various reasons, they were unable to. But now that they have Seamus Blackley involved, they have some serious backing. They've taken the machine from concept to production-ready stage in a very reasonable timeframe.

Unfortunately, so many people are unwilling to try new ideas. And as I think this post suggests, there are some huge misunderstandings out there about the hardware.

I'm not intending to say "Oh it's great, go and buy one right now!"; I'm intending to say "don't write it off until you know more about it". Writing it off now would be the same as writing off any new hardware before you try it. Some have already done that with Nintendo DS. But I guarantee you, those very people will be eating their hats by the end of this year.[/color]

[Guest tzen]

[QUOTE=James][color=#707875]You don't pay an "extra fee" to download games.

You don't even buy the hardware.

You simply sign-up to a subscription service and you receive the hardware for free. When you do that, you are given immediate access to a large library of existing software that is downloadable without an extra fee. But you can pay to download certain software (I imagine the latest stuff), which would probably end up being cheaper than regular renting at any rate.

Secondly, the first Phantom wasn't a joke. They intended to produce it. But for various reasons, they were unable to. But now that they have Seamus Blackley involved, they have some serious backing. They've taken the machine from concept to production-ready stage in a very reasonable timeframe.

Unfortunately, so many people are unwilling to try new ideas. And as I think this post suggests, there are some huge misunderstandings out there about the hardware.

I'm not intending to say "Oh it's great, go and buy one right now!"; I'm intending to say "don't write it off until you know more about it". Writing it off now would be the same as writing off any new hardware before you try it. Some have already done that with Nintendo DS. But I guarantee you, those very people will be eating their hats by the end of this year.[/color][/QUOTE]

well i still dont really like the ide of "renting" games down to my console to play.... :confused: i stick to my other consols :tasty: hehehe .... but does any oneknow how much the monthly fee is then?

[James]

[quote name='tzen']well i still dont really like the ide of "renting" games down to my console to play.... :confused: i stick to my other consols :tasty: hehehe .... but does any oneknow how much the monthly fee is then?[/quote]

[color=#707875]It's no different to renting games for your existing console, except that it's cheaper. Cheaper than both buying and renting, I'd say. Plus you get a large library of games that are essentially free...so you'd get to play far more games than you could afford on console.

The main thing I'm trying to say is that it's worth giving it a go before you dismiss it. If you want to know more, you can visit the Infinium Labs' Phantom thread in this very forum. I don't have a link right now though...so you'll have to do a search for that title.[/color]

[Guest tzen]

[QUOTE=James][color=#707875]It's no different to renting games for your existing console, except that it's cheaper. Cheaper than both buying and renting, I'd say. Plus you get a large library of games that are essentially free...so you'd get to play far more games than you could afford on console.

The main thing I'm trying to say is that it's worth giving it a go before you dismiss it. If you want to know more, you can visit the Infinium Labs' Phantom thread in this very forum. I don't have a link right now though...so you'll have to do a search for that title.[/color][/QUOTE]


sure... bye the bye do u know how much the phantom will cost when it gets out?? :p could be nice to know if im gonna buy it some day :tasty: