Does Experimentation make you Bi or Gay?

[Boba Fett]

[color=green]This whole Kinsey scale thing, along with experimentation, bothers me. I guess I can see people experimenting once, but the whole idea of bisexuality just bothers me. If someone's gay or lesbian, that's fine; I just don?t understand how someone can like people of [i]both[/i] genders.

It's probably just me, but sometimes it seems like there is a growing group of people out there who'll **** anything that moves.

So my response would have to be that once is fine, but either you drop it completely or be that way. Having the "best" of both worlds?

?strikes me personally as wrong.

In the end, you'll need to decide what your sexual identity is for yourself and live with that. So long as you're comfortable with yourself and who you are, I guess that'll be the right thing for you.[/color]

[Doukeshi]

[QUOTE=Boba Fett][color=green]This whole Kinsey scale thing, along with experimentation, bothers me. I guess I can see people experimenting once, but the whole idea of bisexuality just bothers me. If someone's gay or lesbian, that's fine; I just don?t understand how someone can like people of [i]both[/i] genders.

It's probably just me, but sometimes it seems like there is a growing group of people out there who'll **** anything that moves.

So my response would have to be that once is fine, but either you drop it completely or be that way. Having the "best" of both worlds?

?strikes me personally as wrong.

In the end, you'll need to decide what your sexual identity is for yourself and live with that. So long as you're comfortable with yourself and who you are, I guess that'll be the right thing for you.[/color][/QUOTE]

If you are bi-sexual then you are attracted to both men and women. How is this wrong? The view that bi-sexual people as whores and "**** anything that moves" types, to put it into your language is about as true as the myth that every gay guy is going to **** every other man that shows his butt.

You may only have a select few relationships in your life but because you are bi does that mean it is morally wrong to have say two relationships with men and three with women, as opposed to a straight man who has relationships with five women or a gay man who has relationships with five men? Why limit your horizons to just one sex if you are attracted to both?

It is being just as narrow minded to disregard bi's as it is to disregard gays.

[Gelgoog Pilot]

UGH! K-9...I wasn't talking to you....lol You're fine. I was refering to a statement Delierium made, thus the *shakes head AT Delierium comment.

Na as to you're fit for the goose is fit for the gander....I have NEVER judged women from only a few observations...there are good ones and bad ones, just like men. I never said anything as to what you were reffering to....

What's wrong with me is that you need to read posts more carefully before quoting the hell out of them.

[Skye]

[quote name='Gelgoog Pilot']*shakes head at Delirium* That really hurts...I don't know if you just called me gay or a bad guy.[/quote]
[quote name='Burori']I fully resent that comment. I am neither gay nor taken. Plus I AM a good man ^_^[/quote]

[color=orange][size=2][font=times new roman]V_V I'm a bad girl. Sorry, guys. I didn't mean to offend anyone, i had totally forgotten I had written that on the same document as the post for this thread. I'm sorry I offended any one! *takes a metal baseball bat and goes to sit in a corner and whack herself with it* Unless anyone has any objections. Let's just say I'm not all there. (It comes with not getting enough sleep)

Back on topic: 0.0 I think James siad MOST of what i meant... in a way... love and lust are two differen things. ^_________^ :D You guys can think today, I'm not awake. (And I thik O menant OR taken... not and. V_V)

Steffanie[/color][/font][/size]

[DetectiveMikeRS]

I remember that in a book for teens, it said that something like that is natural for some people and it doesn't make you bi or gay. I found that book on the bookself in my basement and it kept me from the talk since it talked about the um, "hokey pokey", and I was old enough anyways, my parents were gonna give me the talk that same day I found it.

NOTE: I'm just trying to keep this clean, that's why I used the term I did for you know what.

[Patronus]

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]no one knows anything about being gay/bi unless they are.

It's not about sex, only an ignorant person would think sexual orientation is about sex... its about love. Everyone experiments... probably 50% of the boys here probably experimented...[/QUOTE]
I agree whole-heartedly. I find it amusing heterosexuals trying to come from a homosexual point of view. Most of the time I want to stuff a sock in their mouths.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[color=indigo]If you are straight or gay hurrah for you. I think that either condition is a perfectly natural and probably genetic trait.

However, you bisexuals need to pick a team and stick with it. I have a hard time fathoming that bisexuality is a inherited trait. I just think that it is a by-product of curiosity and an over active sex drive. I don't really care what a person does in the privacy of their own bedroom unless it directly effects me. Bisexuality effects me because all of you indecisive people are limiting my dating pool.

So here is the deal. I want all of you bisexual men to admit to yourself that you are gay, yes that is right be gay and be happy and stop wasting the time of all of those beautiful women that you are making time with. Now, for all you bisexual girls. Stop it. You know that you are only sleeping with other women because the chauvinistic male oppressive media driven world has convinced you that it is sexy. quit dating each other and give me a phone call, I am free on Thursday ;). No, well then at least invite me over for some bi-curious fun, I can be your basis for comparison.... [/color]

[Drix D'Zanth]

[quote name='Heaven's Cloud][color=indigo']If you are straight or gay hurrah for you. I think that either condition is a perfectly natural and probably genetic trait. [/color][/quote]

The only genetic trait that one inherits upon conception that deals with sexual orientation is a penis, vagina, and the ticking time bomb called [i]adolescence[/i].

As far as I'm concerned, experimentation isn't something I would say is morally right. I'm with Boba Fett on this issue.. too many people today are *******.To say that it is natural to screw a member of the same gender is like saying it's natural to screw a hole in a tree. People's conception of sex is turning into an idea that it just "occurs" and people have no choice where they put their dicks today. That's an awfully sad thought.

[Doukeshi]

For the last time..bisexuality doesn't make you a slut. Jeez how can you people be so closeminded while claiming to be so open. Life isn't a porn flick people. Like I said if you are attracted to both sexes why limit your possibilities of happiness, its not all about the sex.

I don't care if its limiting your dating pool HC, there's more fish in the sea as they say.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE=Drix D'Zanth]The only genetic trait that one inherits upon conception that deals with sexual orientation is a penis, vagina, and the ticking time bomb called [i]adolescence[/i].
[/QUOTE]

[color=indigo]So I went over to Dr. Bob?s house this morning because I remember that a study was conducted in an attempt to find out whether or not there are any genetic or inherent traits that spark homosexuality. I?d love to say I found an article or some supporting evidence from my favorite Doctor but he just told me that there is nothing that points to homosexuality being a genetic trait. So I?ll concede that point to Drix. However, I still don?t find homosexuality to be the least bit amoral so I will continue to disagree with him on that. I doubt that any amount of debate will change either of our opinions.[/color]

[quote] For the last time..bisexuality doesn't make you a slut. Jeez how can you people be so closeminded while claiming to be so open. Life isn't a porn flick people. Like I said if you are attracted to both sexes why limit your possibilities of happiness, its not all about the sex.

I don't care if its limiting your dating pool HC, there's more fish in the sea as they say.[/quote]

[color=indigo]Perhaps you are so oversensitive that you have become close minded and the people you find to be close minded are really the open minded ones. Or not. Regardless Bisexuals are dirty, slutty individuals and they all probably have some venereal disease or another?probably the kind that makes them immune to humor. [/color]

[Harry]

[QUOTE=doukeshi03] its not all about the sex.
[/QUOTE]
For a bisexual is basically is.

[James]

[color=#707875]The unfortunate thing is that ideology gets put at the forefront here. And it's really not that simple. Yeah, you can choose who to have sex with...but you can't choose who you fall in love with or are attracted to. Straight people know that, surely. I mean, that's why break-ups in relationships are so difficult -- you can't just sit there and switch off your emotions. You can't say "Okay, today I'm going to like her. Actually, no, today I'm going to like [i]her[/i]."

It just doesn't work like that.

As far as it not being natural...well, I'm sure that there are some hard-line Islamic clerics who would tell you that certain things are not "natural" (ie: wearing certain clothing or not having a beard or something along those lines). But that's a religious point of view. It's a personal philosophical opinion. At the basic level, we're talking about what makes us human -- who we are. When you attack that, you are understandably hitting a nerve.

Let's also be clear that being homosexual or bisexual doesn't automatically somehow make you promiscuous. That's yet another misconception/stereotype.

Having said all of the above, I have one major problem with this thread; it's gotten so far off track that it's ridiculous. I shouldn't have to come into these threads and pull everyone up to remind them about the thread's original intention. The question was, if you experiment, does it make you bisexual or homosexual?

Right now nobody is even attempting to answer that question. Those of you who want to simply condemn people and rant at people are advised not to post in the thread. You have a choice. Be civil and contribute positively to the discussion, or don't post. Everything posted at OB should be considered in that context. In the same way that I would not tolerate people who blatantly attack people's religious or political beliefs, I also won't tolerate those who attack someone's actual humanity. OB is intended to be a welcoming place, where people can feel safe. And that's not what I'm seeing here.

So please, let's bear that in mind. This will be my absolute last warning on that point.[/color]

[Transtic Nerve]

Sometimes I can't understand why heterosexuals automatically associate the different sexual orientation with the act of having sex. As if anyone who goes and has sex with the same gender is automatically gay. This is not the case, I could point out millions of people who have had sex with the same gender and who remain heterosexual to this day. Just because they dabled into the unknown to them doesn't automatically make them part of it. Its like if you decide to go mountain climbing, does that automatically make you a climber now? Or if you dive off a diving board for the first time, does that automatically make you a diver? Of course not, so why would having sex witht he same gender automatically make you gay? It doesn't, so to answer the original question AGAIN, no, experimentation does not make you gay or bisexual, it simply is completely 100% NORMAL... and anyone who has never thought about it before is abnormal.... do you think gay people don't think about straight sex at least once in their life? lol. Its the same for both side, just one of those sides is to ashamed to admit it.

I was reading this book once on adolescence... actually it was two books (written by a straight male doctor and a straight female doctor).... both of which had similar subjects within the books. Both books brought up the subject of same-sex experimentation. Both books said that experimentation with the same sex was a normal activity during adolescence. It's part of growing up. It's part of being curious. It's part of finding who you truely are. You can't find out who you really are until you find out what you're not.

[ChibiHorsewoman]

[quote name='Drix D'Zanth]The only genetic trait that one inherits upon conception that deals with sexual orientation is a penis, vagina, and the ticking time bomb called [i]adolescence[/i'].[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]That can be debated. Every hear of hermaphrodites? There are babies born with both male and female parts (if you will). I'm one of those straight people who's of the opinion that you're born that way. Argue with me if you must. I also don't think therapy helps to change a person's sexual orientation. Al lyou get is a really angry person.[/color]

[quote name='Drix D'Zanth']As far as I'm concerned, experimentation isn't something I would say is morally right. I'm with Boba Fett on this issue.. too many people today are *******.To say that it is natural to screw a member of the same gender is like saying it's natural to screw a hole in a tree. People's conception of sex is turning into an idea that it just "occurs" and people have no choice where they put their dicks today. That's an awfully sad thought.[/quote]

[color=darkviolet]As for natural...well, it's not really natural for humans to live in houses, drive cars or tell someone to go **** themselves when they don't agree with something someone else said, but we do it anyway. So, maybe we should stop doing that because it isn't natural. Hell, it really isn't natural to stay married to one person for the rest of your life so maybe all of society should just do like Britney and J-lo.

I think normal is just in someone's perception of what is deemed normal. That doesn't mean that you have to accept it, but you shouldn't try to change someone to suit your ideals.

Final note:
I definately have to agree with TN about the whole sex thing. You aren't suddenly gay because you slept with another guy or another girl. Just like you aren't automatically a director because you video taped your sister's birthday and you aren't suddenly a race car driver because you tore down a back road at 110mph.

And it's not like homosexuals go out and have sex with everyone they see, just like heterosexuals don't go around sleeping with everyone they see. There are such things as standards.[/color]

[Drix D'Zanth]

Holy Christwagons! This thread has turned into a full-fleged homosexuality debate. I thought this was about experimentation?

[quote name='Transtic Nerve']Sometimes I can't understand why heterosexuals automatically associate the different sexual orientation with the act of having sex. [/quote]

I suppose the closest PC definitions are:
Gay=the lifestyle associated with an attraction and relationship with a member of the same sex.
Homosexual= Having a [i]sexual[/i] orientation to a member of the same sex.


[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
As if anyone who goes and has sex with the same gender is automatically gay. This is not the case, I could point out millions of people who have had sex with the same gender and who remain heterosexual to this day. [/QUOTE]

There?s a list for these people? Why wasn?t I told you had a list?

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
Just because they dabled into the unknown to them doesn't automatically make them part of it. Its like if you decide to go mountain climbing, does that automatically make you a climber now? Or if you dive off a diving board for the first time, does that automatically make you a diver? [/QUOTE]

? Sure it does. I think you are confusing the verb with the professions orientated with them. A surgeon performs surgery. A mountain climber.. well.. climbs. Even if you don?t do it on a regular occasion, for that brief moment, you were a climber. Now I?m a firm beliver in the power of change. I don?t think that when someone ?tries? sex with a member of the same sex, then decides heterosexuality is the path for him/her, then I don?t believe he/she is currently homosexual.

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
Of course not, so why would having sex witht he same gender automatically make you gay? It doesn't, so to answer the original question AGAIN, no, experimentation does not make you gay or bisexual, it simply is completely 100% NORMAL... and anyone who has never thought about it before is abnormal.... do you think gay people don't think about straight sex at least once in their life? lol. Its the same for both side, just one of those sides is to ashamed to admit it. [/QUOTE]

Hey, I agree with you up until the ?normal? part. I?m not going to debate the merits and flaws of homosexuality. But I would not say having sex flagrantly for that matter is normal at all. It?s one think to think about having sex.. but to commit to the act is an entirely different arena.


[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
I was reading this book once on adolescence... actually it was two books (written by a straight male doctor and a straight female doctor).... both of which had similar subjects within the books. Both books brought up the subject of same-sex experimentation. Both books said that experimentation with the same sex was a normal activity during adolescence. It's part of growing up. It's part of being curious. It's part of finding who you truely are. You can't find out who you really are until you find out what you're not.[/QUOTE]

I?m curious as to what activities were engaged, and why these doctors think this is a normal activity? I mean, if so many people are so morally or philosophically opposed to it, on what basis do these doctors call it ?normal?? Once again, my doubts aren?t on the right/wrong of the issue, but the validity.

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman][color=darkviolet]That can be debated. Every hear of hermaphrodites? There are babies born with both male and female parts (if you will). I'm one of those straight people who's of the opinion that you're born that way. Argue with me if you must. I also don't think therapy helps to change a person's sexual orientation. Al lyou get is a really angry person.[/color]

Hey Chibi, do you even research what you are talking about? Pick a letter in this ENTIRE thread. That letter is a hermaphrodite. Next?. Flip a coin. If you flipped tails, you?ve got a penis and a vagina. If you flipped heads, you?ve got another common sexual gene-disorder (XXY for instance), or atrophied sexual organs (the tissue is there, but they aren?t working parts). This is the differentiation between synchronous and sequential hermaphrodites. Now, if you got a full fledged hermaphrodite with full working parts, guess what? Its genetic makeup has actually DETERMINED what gender it will be born as, and what it turns into (based on hormone development). Thanks to the sensitivity of modern medicine in realizing this gender confusion, usually a sequential hermaphrodite will be introduced into the correct hormone theropy and raised as the gender he/she will eventually develop in.

Icing on the cake: There?s a good 70% chance of infertility.

[quote name='ChibiHorsewoman] [color=darkviolet']As for natural...well, it's not really natural for humans to live in houses, drive cars or tell someone to go **** themselves when they don't agree with something someone else said, but we do it anyway. So, maybe we should stop doing that because it isn't natural. Hell, it really isn't natural to stay married to one person for the rest of your life so maybe all of society should just do like Britney and J-lo. [/color][/quote]

Hey, no one?s telling you to drive a car or live in a house. I?m not making up excuses and calling cars or houses natural. They are unnatural. That may be a personal reason for why I?m opposed to the behavior, but I?m not going to pass it off as normalcy. Is it normal for everyone to go to school? In our society it is. In most others, it is not. Biological functions, it?s all elementary. Be sure to distinguish between natural and normal. In natural, I mean the functions of human beings in their.. well.. biological roles. Normal? For all intensive purposes homosexuality could (and probably will) become ?normal? in the near future. Do I think it is wrong for j-lo and Brittney to marry and divorce? Yes. Do I think it?s natural? Well, we aren?t creatures of instinct. So there is no solid answer to this. All lions are polygamous. All Emperor Penguins are monogamous. Humanity doesn?t have instinctual sexual behavior patters like that. Civilization gave them to us ;) .

I don?t tend to use normal as a reason to do, or not do something. However in the case of sex or sexual relations, it is biologically abhorrent. Now?do I care if anyone does it? Not in the slightest, just don?t tell me that it?s natural.

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman] [color=darkviolet]
I think normal is just in someone's perception of what is deemed normal. That doesn't mean that you have to accept it, but you shouldn't try to change someone to suit your ideals. [/color][/QUOTE]

Who?s ideals am I trying to change exactly? I?m not going to debate if it?s right or wrong to have sex with more than one person, or a member of the same species. This isn?t the thread. It?s getting irritating that I have to dodge this flak from you.

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman] [color=darkviolet]
Final note:
I definately have to agree with TN about the whole sex thing. You aren't suddenly gay because you slept with another guy or another girl. [/color][/QUOTE]

You?re right. Gay is a lifestyle change including the sex part. But for that moment in time you we?re a sodomizer/cunnilingus-izer.

[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman] [color=darkviolet]
Just like you aren't automatically a director because you video taped your sister's birthday and you aren't suddenly a race car driver because you tore down a back road at 110mph. [/color][/QUOTE]

Time for a lesson in perspective. What exactly makes someone a director?
[url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=director[/url] So because the person doesn?t have the million dollar productions, actors, film crews, etc. , they aren?t directors? So what does that make low-budget theatre people? Or reality TV? Is it the act of ?putting on a show? what makes someone a director? What do you call a birthday party , then? Sounds like a show to me, or at least some form of entertainment. The dictionary backs me up. All it says is that you need a film to direct. Even the camcorders have film in them! So my answer is YES, you are (to a lesser degree then those in Hollywood) a director.

And so we return to the difficult task of assigning labels to individuals. Does committing a crime make a person a criminal for his entire life, even after he gets out of jail? Some people say yes, some say no. *shrug*

Silly, to be a racecar driver.. you need a ?race? car. Or to actually ?race?. Tearing down a back road at 110mph just makes you a criminal. ;)


[QUOTE=ChibiHorsewoman] [color=darkviolet]
And it's not like homosexuals go out and have sex with everyone they see, just like heterosexuals don't go around sleeping with everyone they see. There are such things as standards.[/color][/QUOTE]

The hell? So it is ok to call homosexuality a ?standard? even though it is far from the realm of cultural normalcy.. then defend promiscuity by pointing out to me that monogamy was ?not natural?? then you get your rocks off by claiming that ?sleeping with everyone they see? ISN?T normal? (promiscuous sex is far more common, I?d say, than homosexual sex)

Sounds to me like someone can?t make up their mind. Do you have some sort of handbook you are following telling you what is normal and what isn?t? How exactly are you determining what is right and what is wrong; what is your moral base for such an argument?

And how the hell did this topic turn into what is normal and what is not? Oh yeah? someone said it was, and I got fumed ;).

[Transtic Nerve]

[QUOTE=Drix D'Zanth]I suppose the closest PC definitions are:
Gay=the lifestyle associated with an attraction and relationship with a member of the same sex.
Homosexual= Having a [i]sexual[/i] orientation to a member of the same sex.[/quote]
I dunno why you just gave me the deffinitions of gay and homosexual. They both had nothing to do with what I stated. I said why do heterosexuals automatically associate a different sexual orientation with the ACT OF HAVING SEX... not all gay people have sex all the time, many are virgins... I just don't assume every heterosexual is having sex witht he opposite gender. Just as you should not assume every gay/bi person is having sex with the same gender. As I stated before and on MANY occations before hand, having sex with the same gender does not mean your gay.

[quote]There?s a list for these people? Why wasn?t I told you had a list?[/quote]
I never said anything about a list... I said there are millions of people who have had sex witht he same gender who remain heterosexual. Why do I find myself repeating what I already said?

[quote]? Sure it does. I think you are confusing the verb with the professions orientated with them. A surgeon performs surgery. A mountain climber.. well.. climbs. Even if you don?t do it on a regular occasion, for that brief moment, you were a climber. Now I?m a firm beliver in the power of change. I don?t think that when someone ?tries? sex with a member of the same sex, then decides heterosexuality is the path for him/her, then I don?t believe he/she is currently homosexual. [/quote]
That was my point.... Thats what this whole topic is about... again it amazes me that everythign I said is being repeated again....

[quote]Hey, I agree with you up until the ?normal? part. I?m not going to debate the merits and flaws of homosexuality. But I would not say having sex flagrantly for that matter is normal at all. It?s one think to think about having sex.. but to commit to the act is an entirely different arena.[/quote]
Yes and its completely normal to think about sex and its completely normal to engage in the activity of sex... Are you saying that if two 12 year old boys engage in a sexual activity that they are now considered gay? Judging by your comment I would guess your answer to be yes. The reason i use the example of younger boys is because at that age curiosity in sexual development is at its peak. Just because someone is curious and tries something doesn't make them whatever they try. Am I the only one who understands what I'm saying or is it flying over everyone elses head too?

[quote]I?m curious as to what activities were engaged, and why these doctors think this is a normal activity? I mean, if so many people are so morally or philosophically opposed to it, on what basis do these doctors call it ?normal?? Once again, my doubts aren?t on the right/wrong of the issue, but the validity.[/quote]
I could tell you what activities were done, it was just stated as "sexual activities" and the reason doctors think it's normal is because ALOT of children going through those stages end up in some sort of sexual activity with another member of the same sex. If you don't believe me, call your psychiatrist or just go to Barnes and Noble and get one of the bajillion books on going through puberty or sexual development and read it for yourself. Don't ask questions, do the work for once.

[Drix D'Zanth]

Thanks for posting Transtic, always good to hear a nearly polar opposite viewpoint than my own (except, as you should have found out, in the case of this thread). This is what makes threads like these exciting.

[quote name='Transtic Nerve']I dunno why you just gave me the deffinitions of gay and homosexual. They both had nothing to do with what I stated. I said why do heterosexuals automatically associate a different sexual orientation with the ACT OF HAVING SEX... not all gay people have sex all the time, many are virgins... I just don't assume every heterosexual is having sex witht he opposite gender. Just as you should not assume every gay/bi person is having sex with the same gender. As I stated before and on MANY occations before hand, having sex with the same gender does not mean your gay. [/quote]

I wasn?t giving the definitions as a rebuttal, TM; I usually follow up with some sort of harsh vitriol. I was merely providing them for mine, yours, and the other poster?s sake. In order to clarify the way I approach these two terms later. Being homosexual is engaging in sexual activity with a member of the same gender. Being GAY refers to the lifestyle that doesn?t actually require sex at all, that refers to the lifestyle. See what I mean? Hence, being bisexual or homosexual doesn?t mean you are gay. We both agree with that, I think.

This is why I posted the most current PC definitions (reference: Dictionary.com). If we are going to debate the words themselves, then **** it, because language is far to imperfect for that.

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
I never said anything about a list... I said there are millions of people who have had sex witht he same gender who remain heterosexual. Why do I find myself repeating what I already said? [/QUOTE]

?Originally Posted by Transtic Nerve
As if anyone who goes and has sex with the same gender is automatically gay. This is not the case,[b] I could point out millions of people who have had sex with the same gender and who remain heterosexual to this day.[/b]?

My [URL=http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm][color=navy]sarcastic[/color][/URL] comment was merely pointing out how wildly unsubstantiated your claim that there are millions of experimenting people. Are you referring to the world? All of history? The United States? You are referring to the adolescent population (from which you referenced multiple psychiatrists, right?)?

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
That was my point.... Thats what this whole topic is about... again it amazes me that everythign I said is being repeated again.... [/QUOTE]

No, I was merely correcting a pretty terrible analogy. Having homosexual sex makes you a homosexual. Now? you can stop having homosexual sex, have heterosexual sex and then you ?were? a homosexual, but are now a heterosexual. Get it? A man who drives a racecar is a racecar driver. When he decides not to drive racecars, well that doesn?t eliminate the fact that he DID.

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
Yes and its completely normal to think about sex and its completely normal to engage in the activity of sex... Are you saying that if two 12 year old boys engage in a sexual activity that they are now considered gay? Judging by your comment I would guess your answer to be yes. The reason i use the example of younger boys is because at that age curiosity in sexual development is at its peak. Just because someone is curious and tries something doesn't make them whatever they try. Am I the only one who understands what I'm saying or is it flying over everyone elses head too? [/QUOTE]

Engaging in sexual activity for curiosity purposes? Isn?t that a bit antipodean of the nature of sex itself? Sex has one ?natural? purpose (don?t confuse this with normal purposes): to reproduce. I?m not arguing whether it?s right or wrong, but it is certainly not ?natural?. Humans are endowed with the ability to CHOOSE their actions, maybe not their sexual drive, erotic responses, and so forth. What they do with that natural sex drive is a conscious decision. Playing it off as ?natural experimentation? isn?t an excuse that I?ll let pass. Besides, I believe sex is a much more significant activity than, say, mountain climbing, even used as an analogy, it?s too important an ordeal in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
I could tell you what activities were done, it was just stated as "sexual activities" and the reason doctors think it's normal is because ALOT of children going through those stages end up in some sort of sexual activity with another member of the same sex. [/QUOTE]

Does anyone here see something strange in this? So because a bunch of kids have been recorded as sexually active with members of their same sex, it is suddenly deemed natural? So a because a large group of kids sneak into R-rated movies, we should **** the ratings system because it is ?normal? behavior? So because a large group of kids in our nation like to try the harder drugs, we should acknowledge this as normal activity and not bother enforcing the laws against it? I?m not saying that homosexuality should be a crime at all, it?s just that we are forgetting the fact that these kids are growing up to be adults. They NEED some sort of adult guidance to tell them what is right and what is wrong. When so many parents believe that homosexuality is wrong, and unnatural; who are these doctors to say that it is perfectly acceptable behavior? Because that is what homosexuality is a behavior that involves an activity, a behavior that is reliant on the PERSONAL CHOICE of the individual. I don?t want to debate if people are born gay or not, that?s not my argument. But something is seriously wrong when doctors say it?s ok for kids to just fool around and have sex, heterosexual OR homosexual. That?s the parent?s job.

[QUOTE=Transtic Nerve]
If you don't believe me, call your psychiatrist or just go to Barnes and Noble and get one of the bajillion books on going through puberty or sexual development and read it for yourself. Don't ask questions, do the work for once.[/QUOTE]

That?s exactly what I want you to do TN. For all intensive purposes, your argument could be bunk. It?s your responsibility to support your evidence, especially when referring to a professional opinion instead of your own.

[James P. Galvatron]

Come on now people if your gay your gay lets not get into this bisexual stuff I mean it just gets confusing which is why some people can't figure out what they are one part of them liked it, but another part still likes being with girls so they do both with is a disastrous lifestyle especially if you don't tell them you do both I mean you could pass stuff around and not know it I mean you have to chose sooner or later.

I mean I wouldn't mind having a gay or bi friend as long as they didn't hit on me and I have another thing to say I would never even think of oh my god I'm gonna gag doing anything with a guy there is no amount of money availabe that exists that could make me do that. I mean just thinking about kissing another guy flips my stomach upside down.

Also have you noticed that guys think two girls is sexy yet girls think two guys is not.

[Sara]

[quote name='Heaven's Cloud][color=indigo']I am free on Thursday ;). No, well then at least invite me over for some bi-curious fun, I can be your basis for comparison.... [/color][/quote][size=1]*laughs softly* Charlie, you're horrible.

And in answer to k9-Girl's question: "Are we all inherently bisexual?" We're all inherently [i]human.[/i] Everything beyond that is dependent on individuals.

[quote name='Inuyasha7271']I mean I wouldn't mind having a gay or bi friend as long as they didn't hit on me[/quote] Being hit on by friends that you don't like "in that way" is awkward, no matter what their gender or sexual preference.
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[Drix D'Zanth]

[QUOTE=Inuyasha7271]
Also have you noticed that guys think two girls is sexy yet girls think two guys is not.[/QUOTE]

That seems debatable nowadays. The most common demographic group for Queer as Folk according to the most recent VH1 report on homosexuality in the media is single women age 25-40. One of the research groups claimed the women watched the show to see "hot guys make out"... heh.

[Guest Midnight Rush]

[QUOTE=Drix D'Zanth]The only genetic trait that one inherits upon conception that deals with sexual orientation is a penis, vagina, and the ticking time bomb called [i]adolescence[/i].

As far as I'm concerned, experimentation isn't something I would say is morally right. I'm with Boba Fett on this issue.. too many people today are *******.To say that it is natural to screw a member of the same gender is like saying it's natural to screw a hole in a tree. People's conception of sex is turning into an idea that it just "occurs" and people have no choice where they put their dicks today. That's an awfully sad thought.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. This whole discussion is founded on very flawed ideas. For the sake of peace, I won't enlighten you.