Gaming Tekken 5

[Sephiroth]

Behold, a pic of the 3 new characters in T5

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From left to right their names are

Asuka Kazama, Feng Wei, and Raven

Here is a better shot of Asuka Kazama

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And one of Raven

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Here is some of the info from TZ

It appears somebody on the construction crews at E3 snapped some picture of the Namco booth, revealing a couple of the new characters in Tekken 5.

We put tensaikun to work and via his contacts in Japan who are apparently close to a source in Namco Japan we have learned the names of the new characters are (left to right in the image) Asuka Kazama, Feng Wei and Raven.

Aside from the new characters names we also learned Tekken 5 will introduce move buffering for the first time in the series. Move buffering is a technique that allows you to input commands during recovery frames of previous moves.
Now before you get all worked up over this, no doubt you can think of some broken situations with this feature, just realize this is far from revolutionary and has been a widely used technique and 2D and other 3D games for years without breaking the game. This surely will be an interesting development and add to the learning curve of Tekken 5, so let?s not jump to conclusions before actually seeing it.

I will post more pics and info in the next day or two as the game is finally unveiled

More T5 goodness ^_^

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Game isn't playable, just a trailor which I will post soon, here's some more info about the characters from TZ

Where to begin? how about the new characters? The trailer revealed three new characters but only two are completely new styles, Asuka Kazama is Jun re-incarnated with moves such as White Heron (1+4,2), Mist Palm (1+2) and Can Can Kicks (d+3+4). One of her outfits is a consists of a blue top and shorts with elbow and shin pads, the second outfit is a traditional black and white Aikido outfit.
A completely new character is Raven, his style is not obvious at first but his pre-fight animation and moves resembling Kunimitsu Manji Rana (f+1+4) and Ninja Jewel (BT 3) leads us to believe he uses Ninjitsu. The best way to describe Raven?s look is Wesley Snipes in Blade but with bleached hair. The third new character is Feng Wei, a Kung-Fu style monk sporting a colorful outfit and long pony tail. Some of his moves can be best compared to Gato's Shin-Ga and Fuu-Ga (Mark of the Wolves) and he also has a Paul like Iron Mountain (d+1+2).

Other characters confirmed at this point, either seen in the trailer or screen shots, are Jin Kazama, Lee Chaolan, Ling Xiaoyu, Bryan Fury, Nina Williams, Paul Phoenix, Yoshimitsu, Steve Fox, Craig Marduk, Christie Monteiro, Hwoarang, Kazuya Mishima, King, Marshall Law, Kuma, Julia Chang and Lei Wulong.
Also returning to action is a Jack. Both outfits, green army attire with mohawk and black armor with red trim, suggest this is a new generation Jack so we'll dub him Jack-3 for the time being. An army of Jacks is also featured in the game intro.
All the outfits we saw so far are going back the old roots, way to go Namco! Let?s face it the Tekken 4 outfits weren?t all that. The outfits have been redesigned of course, they just feel very familiar. We only saw the majority of the characters in one outfit, below is a list of all the outfits known so far except for those mentioned already.

Kazuya Mishima: purple pimp suit and white pants with new print
Lee Chaolan: black tuxedo and blue shirt with white stallion
Yoshimitsu: old school green sword style? he looks super buffed by the way
Jin Kazama: shirtless black and white pants... that should make a lot of fans happy
Ling Xiaoyu: original blue outfit style but the shirt is pink, she looks also more mature this time around
Bryan Fury: dark blue pants and ammo belt
Nina Williams: cross between her latest blue attire and classic purple outfit
Paul Phoenix: orginal red judo gi and scorpion tattoo
Steve Fox: boxer outfit with short trunks this time
Craig Marduk: both outfit are pretty much the same, defferent print on the lime green pants
Christie Monteiro: the shiny pants outfit, hair up in a pony tail
King: classic purple spandex
Marshall Law: black pants but with a nice dragon print on the side
Julia Chang: indian attire with denim skirt
Hwoarang: traditional blue, red and white taekwondo attire
Lei Wulong: short silk blue kimono and black pants

All the game play footage in the trailer uses quick short transitions between moves so it?s rather hard to notice any new moves at this point, but one definitely catches the eye. Craig seems to have a Giant Swing type air throw that can be executed as part of a combo, it just looks wicked! Marshall finally got a flying kick and Lee links the Acid Rain (f+3:3:3) just frame into Violet Screw kick (SSL+4).
The official story is unknown at this time. But from the intro CG scenes included in the E3 Tekken 5 trailer we can assume it takes place immediately after Tekken 4.

Heihachi Mishima and Kazuya Mishima are in the Honmaru Dojo, with feathers still drifting down from the ceiling (Jin Kazama's Tekken 4 Ending). An army of Jack robots invades the property, Kazuya seems to escape during the ensuing battle but Heihachi is not so lucky.
The Jack robots capture Heihachi and initiate a self destruct sequence, after the massive explosion we see Raven reporting back to his superiors... "Heihachi Mishima.... is dead!".

Also seen in what we assume will end up being the arcade intro CG movie for Tekken 5 are two short scenes with the other new characters. The Asuka cut is pretty non descriptive as to her motives for entering the tournament but Feng Wei is clearly out for revenge after one of the monks, perhaps his master, seems to have been killed in the monastery.

The E3 Tekken 4 trailer is roughly 3:45 minutes long and the presentation after the initial CG intro is split up in 5 segments, first introducing the new cast members with their names, CG renders followed by a sampling of their moves.

The second segment is labeled ?Over The Top Action?, showing some of the returning characters in action on various stages and more of the same in the next segment labeled ?Huge Character Selection?. Assuming Namco sticks to the tradition of 8 to 10 time release characters, who would definitely not be revealed at this point, Tekken 5 could get near the 30 character mark. Huge indeed!

The fourth segment ?New Graphics Engine? shows various stages without any fighters present while the camera pans and zooms.
The stages shown so far all have more of a fantasy feel rather than the realistic modern environments of Tekken 4. They include a cliff near a waterfall, the destroyed Mishima Castle engulfed in flames, a rooftop at sunset (slight similarity to Soul Calibur clock stage), a flower field with ruins in the background, a stage inside these ruins from the looks of it, a fight pit, a stage with a large stone dragon (perhaps inside Feng's monastery) and a renaissance city themed stage.
Towards the end of the trailer there is a short clip of Kuma dancing on an arctic ice field amongst some penguins, this could be another stage as well? going back to the original Tekken roots!

The final part of the trailer, titled ?Revolutionary Graphics?, shows various characters standing still while the camera pans around.

The trailer closes out with the announcement of the Tekken 5 arcade release in 2004, the consumer release in 2005 but no actual dates mentioned and the URL of the Tekken 10th anniversary site, called Tekken Official.


I don't know how the hell Namco kept all this stuff secret for so long :cool:

[color=red][size=1]EDIT: Just merged your posts, Sephy. - James[/size][/color]

[Shiguru]

WOW. The new characters look retarded, but the graphics and old guys look wicked cool.

It REALLY blows that Hehachi might not be in the game though, he's so frekin awesome. But my buddy Paul Pheonix is back for another round, and at least kick *** Kazuya is back as well.

[Semjaza]

Here's some images from the game from IGN. I figured posting them directly in the thread could liven it up a bit heh. Lots of text in here lol.

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[Sephiroth]

[COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Times New Roman]I just got back from my trip to the US just over a week ago, I really did enjoy my time over there, not only did I do very well on Tekken 4 and Tekken Tag at the Evolution 2004 tournament, I also managed to play test the beta version of Tekken 5!

Here's me playing (red hair guy) :)

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The game is simply amazing, I believe it will become the best Tekken game to date, and will give Virtua Fighter 4:Final Tuned a serious run for it's money from the fighting games aspect of it. Best of all it was the beta version, hopefully the final version will not get worse (as it did with Tekken 4)

Just some quick FYI before I tell you guys about the playtest

There will be 20 selectable characters, and at least a further 10 secret time released characters

It has gone back to it's old T3 roots, back is the insanely fun gameplay and high damage, fast paced rounds

Card system which allows you to purchase a "card" (like a memory card) which you insert into the arcade cabinet, with this you can customise your favourite character, their costumes, hair, footwear, add-on's, etc. it's a really cool step in the tekken series and has been seen in VF4Evo

Now before the playtest, here's a random (Sephy in the US) image

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Stages-absolutely beautiful, especially the dragon stage, there are stages with walls and endless floor stages (like T3/TTT), damage is caused to the background and ground (it looks stupid sometimes though)

Characters-at the time of playing, the game seemed balanced, there were only 3 characters who did not seem as good as the rest (namely paul, xiaoyu, and hwoarang) everyone does half bar damage and can compete....for now

Sidewalking (like in T4) is still in the game but is not as good anymore, Side Step has become good like T3, you will be sidestepping more than you will be sidewalking

Low parrying is universal, everyone can low parry by doing d, d/f

Many characters still have their movement, some have new movement, King has a new step called "Jaguar Step", Back Dash is back in T5 but covers less range, the range of a forward dash has been increased, Lei has his HaHa step back, but it cover's less distance and is harder to execute than before

The new characters-I absolutely fell in love with Feng Wei (the monk guy), since they made paul rubbish in T5 so it looks like Feng will be my new characters, he has 2 stances (we couldn't figure out a use for one of them, needs to be further playtested when the game is released) and is kinda similar to paul too with the killer one time damage, except he has other assets too

Raven was.....interesting, he didn't seem like a tekken character at all, but he seemed very strong, many mid and low moves, even from backturned! He has a teleport type move where he disappears after you try to hit him and hits you back

Asuka is very similar to Jun from T2/TTT, with more moves of course, I didn't play her so I can't tell you much about her, but from what I saw, she seemed strong, she even has a throw which is a juggle starter!

Throws-throws have been changed in T5, well, the throw breaks anyway, in previous tekkens when you broke your opponents throws you just push them away and that was it, in this however, depending on which throw you break you end up in a different position, for example, with one throw we discovered that if you break it you will end up BEHIND your opponent! Again, this is very virtua fighter

I'll post some more stuff later, if you guys wanna ask me anymore stuff then feel free to do so! ^_^

A farewell pic

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[color=#4B0082]Merged your two Tekken 5 threads. - [i]Desbreko[/i][/color]

[natetron46]

Thank you very much, I am very anxious for this release, it was a good read. Great pics! Thats good to hear. T3 was the best, its nice to know that they are using that as a jumping point.

[Gavin]

[size=1]I have to admit that I've been looking forward to this after completing Tekken 4 numerous times with my brother, it's got to the stage now where we just play versus the entire time because it's a little less predictable than the A.I. opponents.

I'm outraged to hear that they've made Paul suck in this version because he was by far my favourite character, I mean sure there were times when he moves became a little repetitive and I never could pull off [U]Demolition Man[/u] but he was still a great character none the less.

You said there are roughly 30 characters altogether on Tekken 5 Sephiroth, I was wondering if you could tell us who they are and for new characters an idea of what they're like ?[/size]

[Sephiroth]

[COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman]These were the playable characters (and will become the standard characters when released)

Jin Kazama
Lee Chaolan
Julia Chang
Yoshimitsu
Bryan Fury
Lei Wulong
Nina Williams
Steve Fox
Kazuya Mishima
Ling Xiaoyu
Asuka Kazama
Feng Wei
Christie Montiero
Paul Phoenix
Jack-5
Craig Marduk
Marshall Law
Hwoarang
King the 2nd
Raven

So far the confirmed time released characters are

Bruce Irvin
Anna Williams
Kuma/Panda

Namco has hinted that a "sumo" style character will be in the lineup as well, Ganryu to return perhaps? In any case, at least 10 time released characters will be in T5

I'm very upset with what they did to Paul too, in T4 I was the best T4 Paul in the whole of Europe and to see this happen to him is ridiculous, even the demolition man sucks in T5, it's become like TTT where if you block the kick Paul is stunned enough for you to punish him

Ah well, in any case Feng Wei shall become my new tournament character in T5, I loved using that guy in [/FONT] the beta test!

Edit-Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention, on T5 arcades there will be PS2 Pad Ports, so you will be able to bring your PS2 joypads or joysticks and just plug them into the T5 cabinet! This way even if you can't play on stick on or machines sticks are bad, you simply use your own tools to play under any circumstance
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[natetron46]

[quote name='Kane][size=1']I have to admit that I've been looking forward to this after completing Tekken 4 numerous times with my brother, it's got to the stage now where we just play versus the entire time because it's a little less predictable than the A.I. opponents.[/size][/quote]
I didnt like 4 at all, actually. Were you the same way? I thought it was the weakest in the series. I played some versus, but even then, it was a little lacking. Maybe tekken3 spoiled me.... :o

[Flashlight]

I hated Tekken 4 because it seemed that gameplay had been really slowed down when compared to the previous games in the series. I think this may have been to try and turn the Tekken series from a more button-mashing style gameplay into a more skill required fighter. That pretty much entirely defeats the purpose the Tekken games for me.

I'm glad Tekken 5 is coming back to the more fast-paced gameplay. Visually it looks very good as well. I'm definately looking forward to this! :)

[Korey]

[quote name='natetron46']I didnt like 4 at all, actually. Were you the same way? I thought it was the weakest in the series. I played some versus, but even then, it was a little lacking. Maybe tekken3 spoiled me.... :o[/quote]


I agree with you natetron, tekken 4 even on ultra mega special incredibly difficult hard , the game was just too predictable. i wanted tekken 4 so bad, but when i got it, i said "achterfung!, this game plays like virtua fighter, without all of the bad dialogue!" also the game was focused too much on the stories of the characters. it should have been like three and had more of the emphasis on versus modes as in past tekkens. I think that the people at namco were trying to change the look of the game so much that they got away from what made the game so much fun. Versus mode!

and to sephiroth, those are some great pics, but some of those backgrounds look like soul calibur? just askin'

[Gavin]

[QUOTE=Sephiroth][COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Times New Roman]Heihachi Mishima and Kazuya Mishima are in the Honmaru Dojo, with feathers still drifting down from the ceiling (Jin Kazama's Tekken 4 Ending). An army of Jack robots invades the property, Kazuya seems to escape during the ensuing battle but Heihachi is not so lucky.
The Jack robots capture Heihachi and initiate a self destruct sequence, after the massive explosion we see Raven reporting back to his superiors... "Heihachi Mishima.... is dead!".[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[size=1]Terrific, first off I find out Paul is made completely crap in Tekken 5, and now I find out that the only other character I had any liking to bites the dust at the hands of a Jack. There is no justice in this, I mean sure Heihachi was an evil bastard who would have killed his son and grandson in order to achieve his own goals but there was still something likeable about it. Though perhaps he may be one of unlockable characters or be brought back for a future edition like he son was[/size]

[QUOTE=Sephiroth][COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Times New Roman]These were the playable characters (and will become the standard characters when released)

Jin Kazama
Lee Chaolan
Julia Chang
Yoshimitsu
Bryan Fury
Lei Wulong
Nina Williams
Steve Fox
Kazuya Mishima
Ling Xiaoyu
Asuka Kazama
Feng Wei
Christie Montiero
Paul Phoenix
Jack-5
Craig Marduk
Marshall Law
Hwoarang
King the 2nd
Raven

So far the confirmed time released characters are

Bruce Irvin
Anna Williams
Kuma/Panda

Namco has hinted that a "sumo" style character will be in the lineup as well, Ganryu to return perhaps? In any case, at least 10 time released characters will be in T5[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1]It seems as if they've taken pretty much everyone from Tekken 4 and put them in this version, though for the life of me I can't understand why they kept Panda/Kuma in it because they were just plain useless. Asuka Kazama now that's an interesting little new addition, obviously she's some relation of Jin and his now dead mother but it will be interesting to see her story in this.

Bringing back Ganryu eh, that sounds a little more than interesting than some of the other names on the character list. I remember causing my brother great annoyance with Ganryu so it may make up for the demise of Heihachi and the crapification of Paul.[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Sephiroth][COLOR=DarkRed][FONT=Times New Roman]Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention, on T5 arcades there will be PS2 Pad Ports, so you will be able to bring your PS2 joypads or joysticks and just plug them into the T5 cabinet! This way even if you can't play on stick on or machines sticks are bad, you simply use your own tools to play under any circumstance
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[SIZE=1]Sounds like an interesting litte feature although since I live nowhere near a video game arcade with any decent games I'm just going to have to stick with the PS2 version. I don't know if this has been asked already but when's the release date on this due ?[/SIZE]

[Guest Mana]

Man, this game looks good. I think I might get it, but I doubt it. I would rather get GTA. So it seems their will be a good amount of characters in the game, thats cool. I think Kazuya is my fave. I'm not really looking forward to this game because it's probably not going to be much better than the past 5 tekken games. It just isn't the greatest series, but it's a great figher.

-MILZ :devil:

[Charles]

Am I the only one here who feels that the Tekken series has grown beyond stale? For me, it just doesn't generate excitement anymore. From where I stand, the series has just basically been more of the same since Tekken 2. Because there are other fighters out there that throw caution to the wind and try many new things (like the upcoming Mortal Kombat: Deception) or ones that have simply perfected the gameplay side of things (Virtua Fighter 4, Soul Calibur 2), the Tekken series falls into the boring side of the spectrum.

At least some of those backdrops look nice though.

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

I personally can't stand Tekken. It's not just that the graphics have always been on the "piss-poor" end of the spectrum, or that the learning curve is actually a straight line at zero, or that there's a character with a leopard head or a man made of logs or like 1000 other absolutely ridiculous and uninspired designs. It's that it somehow manages to make me want to kill myself while even watching someone play it. I like ONE character in the game--Hwoarang, because he practices Taekwondo and I practice Taekwondo. That's it.

Nowadays I play fighting games (non-Smash Bros. fighting games, just to clarify) pretty much for the visual appeal. My brother and I get about equally good, so it's just a trade-off of winning/losing, and at that point the only reason to play fighting games is because they look good and the characters are cool. So I played SC2 for a bit, and nowadays I just play DOA because it has the best martial arts technique of any fighter and by far the smoothest animation (and of course best graphics overall).

Tekken, unless it somehow undergoes a huge huge overhaul in every aspect of design, won't ever warrant any attention from me. Oh,and MK: Deception has so many cheap bs gimmicks it made me laugh. "Chess Kombat!" "Puzzle [Tetris] Kombat!" Gimme a break! Sub-Zero is supposed to freeze and shatter stuff, not play chess or tetris, lol. Just watch, next it'll be "Mortal Pikmin Kombat," where you throw tons of Sub-Zeros and Scorpions and Ermacs at bugbears until they die.

[Charles]

Well, you know, I agree with you to a large degree when it comes to Mortal Kombat: Deception. Deadly Alliance was an excellent revival for the franchise, so this odd new direction has left me wondering if the developers have lost some of their focus in infusing the title with "gimmicks." The most realistic result from all this, is that they will implement a lot of different elements--but none will be truly great or worthwhile because they're simply spreading themselves too thin. Plus, a lot of it does seem out-of-place. However, my point is that it's interesting. At least the developers are trying new things.

Impressive visuals are a good quality, but to be honest, I wouldn't care if Tekken was the best-looking game ever made (and Tekken 4 certainly did look impressive for a Playstation 2 title); at this point it would bore me to tears regardless. That's the problem with something like Dead or Alive: initially it's flashy and exciting, but the novelty of those traits wears off quickly, leaving behind a game lacking in both character and substance. And--it's the balance of interesting characters and substance that I think Mortal Kombat has over fighters like Tekken and Dead or Alive right now. The Street Fighter games are another good example of a franchise that manages to strike the perfect balance of these qualities. Despite the fact that those games aren't distinctly eye-pleasing, a fact further driven home by the passage of time, they still hold up well to this very day. Will Dead or Alive or the newest Tekken games? I wouldn't bet on it.

[Guest ScirosDarkblade]

Well, this isn't Tekken-related, but DOA have pretty much always been 100% visuals. I've found that I am much more visually-oriented when it comes to video games than other people, so I can play something like DOA for longer than many. (But also that's because I sorta enjoy the gameplay, particularly the 4-player tag battles; otherwise I too would get bored sooner or later). And it's not like I play it all the time; I play for like 20 minutes and then switch to Smash or Halo or something.

I guess DOA will always be impressive in terms of "visuals for its time." That's about it, sure. Personally I also find their characters to be lacking in originality (but only surpassed by MK and Killer Instinct in that respect... and I guess to a degree Soul Calibur). But I've played my fill of those games also, heh.

[Sephiroth]

Heihachi is still alive, lol, though the story makes it that he is dead, it's been leaked from Namco that Heihachi is in fact still alive

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The arcade release date of Tekken 5 is October/Nobember of this year, PS2 is going to be released roughly around summer 2005

In regards to Charles comments

I kinda agree with you there, even Namco thenselves have admitted that they messed up with Tekken 4, it's still a great game, but we all expected more from it after what Namco showed us what they can do with Tekken 3, Tekken Tag was just a side project for Namco (its still insanely popular though, 2nd best Tekken game)

Many people, even the hardcore guys like myself, grew bored of Tekken 4 after 6-12 months, it just stopped being fun, but we still played and practiced and continued to get better because it was the newest Tekken out, but we all still religiously played Tekken Tag (I play both VF4:E and TTT, they are both equal in my opinion)

It's like all anyone did with T4 was "play it for business" and T3/TTT became "business and fun!" kinda like with VF4:E

Worry not though people, after giving T5 an extensive playtest, you will not be disappointed, expect T5 and VF4: Final Tuned to lock horns with each other to become the no.1 fighter, and it ain't gonna be easy for either of em, hehe ^_^