Gaming Reasons to buy X-Box

[Charles]

I agree that there is zero innovation on the Box right now. I am disappointed in the overall lack of quality games. However, the PSX started out in the same manner, and went on to become a phenominal machine. The fact of the matter is, that while Xbox allows programmers to realize their creative genius, it also allows losers looking for a quick cash in the opportunity to pump out crap gaems. I mean look at Shrek. It's a big license with some nice textures. But who can't pump out nice textures on the Xbox?

[Vegitto4]

I, regretfully, have not played on the PSX console. I only have a PSone, and my PC. I am working on getting a PS2, but getting nowhere fast. I have no reason to not go with the Xbox besides the fact that I have played it before, and James and CWB are right, no innovation so far. I am looking forward to upcoming games though.

[Will2x]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by James [/i]
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[color=orangered][size=1]What makes a fanboy?

A fanboy is someone who blindly follows a product without having any facts to back up their belief.

That makes you a fanboy.

I couldn't answer all of your comments simply because you didn't make out a seperate post...instead, you edited a quote. I didn't have the time to go through and pick out little parts.

If you want to restate your opinions in a post though, I'd be more than happy to respond.

Your post indicated that Microsoft was making lots of money with Xbox. You said nothing specific of PlayStation.

I write for a gaming magazine. It's my [b]job[/b] to know the industry. What I say may not be to your tastes, but it's the truth. I am speaking totally objectively: I am quite prepared to point out the faults of any company, whether it be Microsoft with its philosophies behind Xbox, or Nintendo with its constant unwillingness to embrace the third party scene.

Take your pick. I can comment objectively about anything related to gaming.

The fact is, I'm not scared of answering anything you have to say because I know that I can be 100% objective.

But you, like many on these boards (Nintendo and MS fans alike), are unable to accept objective facts.

Aside from that, I don't care which console you prefer. It's totally fine to prefer Xbox to GameCube, however, when you go around stating facts which you claim are objective...make SURE that they are correct.

If I am stating my opinion, I will say so. But if I'm stating an objective fact, I gurantee that I can back it up with information every single time.

I urge you to do the same, otherwise it's totally pointless to debate if you either can't be objective or can't face facts.[/color][/size] [/B][/QUOTE]

okay since you need everything to be perfect to answer something then here.

1.Let's face it, Xbox (and even PS2 to some extent), are not game machines.
Response:{actually they are, do they not play games, were they not built for hardcore gaming?}

2.Do I want to rip CDs to make MP3? Sure, I'll use my PC.
Response:{not everyone has a pc or mp3 player, or probly cannot afford a pc or something and this is why this is good.}

3.Do I want to surf the 'net? Sure, I'll use my PC.
Response:{ not everyone has a pc}

4.Do I want to watch DVD movies? Sure, I'll use my DVD player.
Response:{before ps2 i didnt have a dvd player of my own, thanks to sonys bright idea i now have one}

5.My point is, moving into this cloudy area of product positioning is very dangerous for Microsoft and also for Sony(!!).
Response:{it only gets better, not dangerous, they are making lots of money}

6.Moreover, if a particular product can perform a number of functions at once, it is most likely, by very definition, that it will do all of those functions very well...but not as well as a machine which is designed specifically for one function (ie: GameCube and game playing).
Response:{that is not true, it actually depends on the power of the system to do this functions, for example dreamcast doesnt have anything other than cd and ps2 has cd and dvd but ps2 is better. just because gamecube only plays game doesnt mean thats the best thing it can do, it just means its the only thing it can do}

7.Every one of the next gen consoles can produce beautiful graphics which are very comparable to each other. Graphics simply isn't part of the argument.
Response:{if your saying graphics do not matter than you are wrong, it makes up into a complete system, graphics have a very important role. games like ff7- wouldnt be able to do alot of things if it had gameboy graphics}

im the kind of person that doesnt jus sit back and belive whatever someone has to say is true, so this is why i responded.

oh and if that definition is true then i am defently not a fanboy, now if you actually read what i said in the post before i said i learned up on xbox and im not buying it because its made by microsoft.

now if you read 5 youll notice it says sony too, and thats what i was responding to, sorry if you couldnt figure that out by now lets help this helps you.

i may not work for a magazine, or stalk nintendo/microsoft workers but i know enough about xbox and gamecube to know which is better. now if you knew as much about xbox as you know about gamecube then you would know the true victor....

[Vegitto4]

Bout time you actually started making sense of what you wanted to say

[James]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Will2x [/i]
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okay since you need everything to be perfect to answer something then here.

1.Let's face it, Xbox (and even PS2 to some extent), are not game machines.
Response:{actually they are, do they not play games, were they not built for hardcore gaming?}

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[color=orangered][size=1]They play games, but that doesn't make them purebred gaming machines. If you were to ask Sony or Microsoft about their systems, they'd tell you that their machines are "Computer Entertainment Systems", thus, they are designed to bring together a broader range of entertainment.

Based on this definition, they are not "hardcore" gaming machines, as they are not soley focused on gaming.[/color][/size][QUOTE][B]

2.Do I want to rip CDs to make MP3? Sure, I'll use my PC.
Response:{not everyone has a pc or mp3 player, or probly cannot afford a pc or something and this is why this is good.}
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That's a good point, but once again, it gets back to my original issue. The question is, are you using your Xbox for PC-related purposes, or for gaming?[/color][/size][QUOTE][B]

3.Do I want to surf the 'net? Sure, I'll use my PC.
Response:{ not everyone has a pc} [/QUOTE][/B][color=orangered][size=1]

That's true, but there are a few problems here. Firstly, studies have shown (as has corporate experience), that people generally don't want to surf the 'net on their TV. Why? Because a TV cannot support the kind of high resolutions that a PC monitor can and thus, TV's are inferior for 'net surfing.

You also have to consider the Xbox's target market. Most Xbox users (I'd say over 90%) will own a PC as well.[/color][/size][QUOTE][B]

4.Do I want to watch DVD movies? Sure, I'll use my DVD player.
Response:{before ps2 i didnt have a dvd player of my own, thanks to sonys bright idea i now have one} [/QUOTE][/B][color=orangered][size=1]

Yes once again, that's true. But as I've said before...from Sony's standpoint, this means a dilution of their market for software. It means that the PlayStation 2, rather than competing with games only, is now also competing with DVD movies.

Also, by cramming DVD player functions into PS2, Sony has to some extent glossed over what it could truly have done with the gaming portion of the PS2's hardware.

For example, take a look at the difficulty of programming, or the many hardware bottlenecks. Had Sony not included a DVD movie option, they could have spent more time and money improving the gaming hardware (which is better for so-called "hardcore" gamers).[/color][/size][QUOTE][B]

5.My point is, moving into this cloudy area of product positioning is very dangerous for Microsoft and also for Sony(!!).
Response:{it only gets better, not dangerous, they are making lots of money} [/QUOTE][/B][size=1][color=orangered]

That comment shows your complete lack of understanding of the videogame industry. Don't make comments if you don't understand what you're saying.

In truth, it doesn't get better. It will be especially dangerous for Microsoft, as MS doesn't even publish DVD movies, while Sony is to some extent involved in movie publishing.

Microsoft is opening up the Xbox to outside competition, competition which would otherwise not be there. Thus, it doesn't equal more money, it equals less money.[/color][/size][QUOTE][B]

6.Moreover, if a particular product can perform a number of functions at once, it is most likely, by very definition, that it will do all of those functions very well...but not as well as a machine which is designed specifically for one function (ie: GameCube and game playing).
Response:{that is not true, it actually depends on the power of the system to do this functions, for example dreamcast doesnt have anything other than cd and ps2 has cd and dvd but ps2 is better. just because gamecube only plays game doesnt mean thats the best thing it can do, it just means its the only thing it can do} [/QUOTE][/B][size=1][color=orangered]

Once again, completely incorrect. It has nothing to do with power.

Each game console was designed for specific purposes. You have to understand the design philosophy that's gone into GameCube, as opposed to Xbox and PS2. The two latter consoles were designed as "home entertainment centers", while the GameCube was designed from the ground up as a gaming-only device.

The inclusion of proprietary storage media (the GCN optical disc format), means that Nintendo will also not suffer from piracy as Microsoft and Sony will. Thus, the GameCube is undoubtedly superior in terms of sheer gaming.

Sure, GameCube won't have 'net functionality for a while, and it isn't for people who want their consoles to play movies and music.

But if you're buying a game system to play movies, you're [b]not[/b] a hardcore gamer. Gamers themselves (the hardcore variety), will appreciate the fact that the GameCube is built soley for games, meaning that it is also best suited for gaming.[/color][/size][QUOTE][B]

7.Every one of the next gen consoles can produce beautiful graphics which are very comparable to each other. Graphics simply isn't part of the argument.
Response:{if your saying graphics do not matter than you are wrong, it makes up into a complete system, graphics have a very important role. games like ff7- wouldnt be able to do alot of things if it had gameboy graphics} [/QUOTE][/B]
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You're right, but you're missing my point. Firstly, the difference in terms of graphics between the three next gen systems is VERY small. Thus, only those with technical knowledge, or those with good eye for detail will notice any differences.

Those who I would consider fanboys (or even the "casual gamer"), are people who would worry about graphics. As a game player, I'm sure you know that great graphics don't make a great game.

But this argument is irrelevant, because as I said, the difference in visual performance between the three next gen consoles is absolutely tiny. Thus, graphics doesn't come into the argument at all.[/color][/size]
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im the kind of person that doesnt jus sit back and belive whatever someone has to say is true, so this is why i responded.

oh and if that definition is true then i am defently not a fanboy, now if you actually read what i said in the post before i said i learned up on xbox and im not buying it because its made by microsoft. [/QUOTE][/B]
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No, I never said that you want an Xbox because it's made by Microsoft. It's fine to want an Xbox over a GameCube or PlayStation 2, I am merely saying that you should [b]never[/b] try to say that one system is better than another when you have no facts or proof.

Instead, you've thrown out a lot of fanboy-based tripe. If you don't want me to think of you as a fanboy, you are advised not to make fanboyish arguments.[/color][/size][QUOTE][B]



i may not work for a magazine, or stalk nintendo/microsoft workers but i know enough about xbox and gamecube to know which is better. now if you knew as much about xbox as you know about gamecube then you would know the true victor.... [/B][/QUOTE]

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How very clever of you. :rolleyes:

In all truth, from what you've said, you actually know very little about either Xbox or GameCube.

I know a great deal about Xbox -- far more than you. Thus, I am in a better position to know which is better.

However, I'm not trying to argue which is better or worse. I will most likely buy an Xbox AND a GameCube in future.

The whole reason I'm bothering to discuss this with you, is because I am sick and tired of seeing people spit out absolute garbage to argue for their system of choice.

No one system is the best, and if you're going to try and argue that one is better than another, at least use relevant, intelligent arguments which are based on real information and facts.

I don't think I need to waste my time arguing with you when you clearly know very little about the next gen consoles.

You're free to talk about gaming -- just don't engage in a debate like this when you have nothing relevant to say, because you know I'll catch you out.[/color][/size]