If the elections were held tomorrow, who would you vote for?

[Guest bigspike]

[quote]me too lol. have u seen them!?[/quote]


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[eleanor]

[color=firebrick] Bigspike, that was the biggest pile of **** I have seen in quite some time. Yes, let your thoughts about gay people sway the decision of who's going to lead the USA. How incredibly intelligent! Why didn't WE think of that?

Oh, right, because it's a bunch of BS.[/color]

[Guest bigspike]

[QUOTE=maladjusted][color=firebrick] Bigspike, that was the biggest pile of **** I have seen in quite some time. Yes, let your thoughts about gay people sway the decision of who's going to lead the USA. How incredibly intelligent! Why didn't WE think of that?

Oh, right, because it's a bunch of BS.[/color][/QUOTE]


its just a joke clam the hell down. i would vote for bush. even thou he got us in a war, he has handled it somewhat smoothly, john kerry is a former soldier who got 3 purple hearts. do u know how u get pruple hearts? by getting injured. he has no politcal skills whatsoever.

[Dagger]

[quote name='Undefeated']I'm, going to spam in response, sorry mods:[/quote]

Since when has a flippant apology ever given anyone the right to spam? You've been here for a while; you should know better. If you don't have anything intelligent to say, then don't say anything at all.

@bigspike: It upsets me that people and the press are talking more about the Vietnam war than the one that's going on right now. God knows John Kerry practically brought this mess upon himself, but that doesn't make the Swift Boat ads any less pathetic or crass. At least McCain had the decency to condemn them. That aside, what do you mean by "political skills"? I don't quite understand how being injured thirty-five years ago relates to lacking such skills today.

Given my druthers, I'd want someone who's actually experienced war to work on getting us in and/or out of military conflicts.

~Dagger~

[wiccansamurai]

I'd vote for Bush. Kerry changes his mind so much, what's the point of voting for him? He might just change his stand on everything after he's elected. Bush is ok. I don't agree with him on the gay marriage or anything like that, but I think he's doing ok. And to whoever mentioned about the prison humiliation thing, you can't blame a president for everything people (Army, whatever) from the US did. I doubt he was behind it. I don't like either of them a lot, but at least with Bush you know what you're getting and it's not that bad right now. I know that people in the army are dying, but their in the army. I feel really sorry for them, and I'll pray to them, but their job is to fight for their country.

And I agree with Sem and Bio.

Not that I'm old enough to vote anyway.

Funny pics BigSpike. :laugh:

[Guest bigspike]

[QUOTE=Dagger IX1]Given my druthers, I'd want someone who's actually experienced war to work on getting us in and/or out of military conflicts.

~Dagger~[/QUOTE]

we shouldnt need a exprienced person to get us out of wars. we shouldnt be starting wars. i dont see why we have to interfere in other countries problems. our problem was with bin laden. then we thout iraq had wmd's and we got rid of them, we shouldve left it at that. but no, bush had to keep pushing in and trying to get saddam out of there. we lost alot of soldiers over another countries problem. yes saddam and his militiants were killing innocent ppl. BUT SO DID WE, WE KILLED CHILDREN! did u not see the video of an american helicopter gunning down children?! and now, saddam is gone, we have him, YET WE ARE STILLING PUSHING IN TO OTHER PEOPLE'S PROBLEMS. i know we're trying to be the good country and all, but does bush not realzie all the ppl that dont want us in there. forget them then! ill say it again, WE'VE LOST TOO MANY SOLDIERS OVER SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM. so after all this ranting, ive changed my mine, i'm voting for kerry.

[LostProphet]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]See, this where I'm torn and tired (typed up an extremely good reply, only to be wiped out). I got Good Reasons and Bad...I'll let you decide

FOUR MORE YEARS?: Dubya is my CEO. He pays me money, I sit on a truck waiting for wires to break on Aircraft. Fair Plan. Plus, he gets elected, I get more money to do said job. Fair Plan x2

KERRY AND EDWARDS...BOTH NAMED JOHN: Kerry's good for me because he has real world experience in the military. Unlike Bush, who was ANG (Air National Guard), Kerry has been in the dirt, not protecting Dallas from the Vietcong.

Now, the bad news for anyone....

STRA[I]TE[/I]GERY?!?: Bush is a warmonger. Simply put. I like North Dakota, compared to Site 50 (can't explain for security reasons). Having what feels like a Kindergarten Playground in my mouth every morning isn't good. Oh Yeah, and the bullets shot at me everyday doesnt help either.

ISN'T HIS WIFE THE KETCHUP QUEEN?: I'm at the bottom of the 'Caring' pit, and no one threw me a shovel. Anyhow, 3 Purple Hearts mean squat anymore, especially after Viet Nam. More money for Social Programs means less money for me and my imaginary family, as well as a lot less money for those big converted Boeing 707s I work on.

I'll never vote Nader, Period.

INDECISION 2004!!![/COLOR]

[Lynn Luck]

[quote name='Alchemist']it is hard to take your post even remotely serisouly with all those goddamn smiles in your signature. And you're only 12. Unless you are some super smart kid, you are doing what every 12 year old does: spitting out your parents politcal preferences.[/quote]

[COLOR=Teal]Hey,don't underesitamate me just because I'm 12! I know what the hell I'm talking about.Besides,my parents don't even tell me about that stuff! I wacth the news by my own free will thank you very much. That, and I'm on the Honor Role AND I was a finalist in a science esay contest. That's proof enough that I'm smart enough to know this stuff. Besides, I'm not excatly hearing how old YOU are. So that might mean you're only about a few years older then me. Think about what you say next time. You might have your tongue cut off if you don't. *smirks*[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]P.S.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]The smilies have nothing to do with this damnit![/COLOR]

[Raiha]

[QUOTE=Lynn Luck][COLOR=Teal]Hey,don't underesitamate me just because I'm 12! I know what the hell I'm talking about.Besides,my parents don't even tell me about that stuff! I wacth the news by my own free will thank you very much. That, and I'm on the Honor Role AND I was a finalist in a science esay contest. That's proof enough that I'm smart enough to know this stuff. Besides, I'm not excatly hearing how old YOU are. So that might mean you're only about a few years older then me. Think about what you say next time. You might have your tongue cut off if you don't. *smirks*[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]P.S.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]The smilies have nothing to do with this damnit![/COLOR][/QUOTE][COLOR=MediumTurquoise]Being on Honor role is nothing but an ability to process busywork given by teachers. I know. I was a 4.17 GPA in high school. Being an Honor roll student in junior high/middle school means jack. Science also, has very little to do with politics, so I don't see a point in bringing that up either.

For being a smart kid, you'd think you'd know what spell check is too. Watching the news will get you nowhere fast. You think the media is going to tell us the truth? Incase it slipped your mind, the media, everything we see and hear is owned and processed by 6 major companies, one of which is owned entirely by a foreigner who has no problem with directing exactly what is printed. [URL=http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/solomonjune2000.htm]The Big Six[/URL] If you want to hear how old someone is, look up their birthday. It's there you know. But since it's a problem apparently, I'm 18. I'm a college student. I've passed the Advanced Placement History tests given by the College Board of America. I have a rough idea of how the political system works and how it'll continue working.

My point is, before you spout off how smart you are, think about how it's looking to the rest of us. People can blame all of our problems on Bush and say that Kerry is our only hope, but to me, that's horribly naive.

Not only are both candidates for presidency bought out entirely by the corporations that funded their campaigns, whoever is elected will be owing that corporation some serious favors. i.e. passing some protection laws on the environment, turning a blind eye to illicit business practices, letting scandals spiral out of control [Enron]. If you think Kerry is going to clean up the problems we have, pardon me while I have a swift chortle into the palm of my hand. You can't say "I'll vote for Kerry cause he'll clean up the environment," or, "He'll clean up this mess in Iraq," because it's quite plain that one can't devote all their energies into one thing and expect the rest to fall in line. Any elected official should have an all encompassing plan that will at least bring in some results. None of this "let's just focus here," business. It won't go anywhere fast.

Now I could be cynical and myself now and say that "One bureaucrat is as bad as the next," and you know... I'd be right. But honestly, I can't help but vote my conscience. I'd rather vote for Bush than a wishy-washy man that is ugly to boot. [/COLOR]

[James]

[color=#707875]Geeze, very fiery. Guys, be nice to each other, or I'll have to bring out the paddle.

I'm not American, but if I were, I'd probably vote for Bush in this election.

Right at the outset, I'll be frank: I think many people totally misunderstand Bush and Kerry. It's very easy to jump in and say "Kerry has a big chin, yuck!" or "Bush can't speak English, ew!"...but it's entirely another thing to understand how politics works and to actually understand what the candidates are including in their respective platforms.

I don't have much of an opinion on the domestic side of it, because I'm not American myself. So my interest is primarily in the foreign policy agenda.

In that arena I'd tend to support Bush, despite the fact that some aspects of the policy have been clumsy at best. Fundamentally, I feel that eliminating the causes of terrorism is incredibly important. Although war and things of that nature are not often popular at the time, it's also true that sometimes the more difficult decisions need to be taken, for a better longterm result.

Of course, I would not want to suggest that I agree with all of Bush's policies. I'm a very strong civil rights advocate and Bush has done very little to advance civil rights in my view. The amendment to ban gay marriage is an incredibly cynical and unnecessary proposal. Thankfully it was soundly defeated. You can't say that you oppose racism and slavery on one hand, and then turn around and play favourites with basic civil rights on the other.

For me, I think there are some things to like about Kerry...but I just have too many concerns. The man appears to be a political opportunist of the worst kind, which is never a good thing. He also seems to have an incredibly vague foreign policy agenda, which seems like a watered down version of the Bush policy (so it's not that different, it's the same, but less effective -- what's the point?) And apart from all of that, there's his senate record to consider, which is something he seems pretty embarassed about himself. lol

As for the whole military service thing, I will make one comment: I don't care.

I don't care what Bush did and I really don't care what Kerry did or didn't do. None of that stuff relates to the current day. And none of it bears any relationship to whether or not they could be a good president, in my view.

Unfortunately, people always try to drag up mud and throw it around, hoping that some of it will stick. It sucks.[/color]

[Lynn Luck]

[quote name='Neuvoxraiha][COLOR=MediumTurquoise']Being on Honor role is nothing but an ability to process busywork given by teachers. I know. I was a 4.17 GPA in high school. Being an Honor roll student in junior high/middle school means jack. Science also, has very little to do with politics, so I don't see a point in bringing that up either.[/COLOR][/quote]
[COLOR=Blue]I know science and the Honor Role have nothing to do with this. I was proving that I'm smart enough to understand politics.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]Look people,I'm just a kid here,and I must admit, I don't know everthing about this, but could you atleast be just a LITTLE bit nicer? It wouldn't hurt.[/COLOR]

[James]

[color=#707875]I think we should all be calm, mature and reasonable in this discussion. Surely everyone is capable of that.

The fact that a 12 year old has an interest in politics at all is pretty remarkable to me. I can tell you right now that many people who are very vocal about political issues are often not the most politically savvy people anyway. And on a basic level, we're all just expressing our views and reasons as to why we'd vote for who. So if we stick to discussion on the issues, I think we'll be fine.[/color]

[eleanor]

[color=firebrick]I don't know nearly as much as I should about George Bush's foreign policy, but basing your judgement on what George Bush does outside the US isn't what I'd do. There is one HUGE THING that's stop me from voting for Bush [if I could], and that's the economy. I don't know about anyone else but my dad just started up a grocery store and it's going badly. My family is going through tough times and even some of friends are having serious money issues, which is saying a lot since I live in an area filled with rich people. And then you can add that millions of more people are also going through this. I don't get it. The economy is going down and George Bush is spending more and more money on Iraq...he have a giant debt and he's still rising in the polls. It just angers me sometimes.[/color]

[Raiha]

[quote name='maladjusted][color=firebrick]There is one HUGE THING that's stop me from voting for Bush [if I could'], and that's the economy. I don't know about anyone else but my dad just started up a grocery store and it's going badly. My family is going through tough times and even some of friends are having serious money issues, which is saying a lot since I live in an area filled with rich people. And then you can add that millions of more people are also going through this. I don't get it. The economy is going down and George Bush is spending more and more money on Iraq...he have a giant debt and he's still rising in the polls. It just angers me sometimes.[/color][/quote][COLOR=MediumTurquoise]You can't blame the crap economy on Bush. That Dot Com bubble was entirely out of control when Bill Clinton was in power, and it was going to explode regardless of who was elected next. Bush did not have any sort of option available when everything began to slide downhill.

Every president had a major focus. Bush's happens to be foreign policy. This could, in theory, be blamed on JFK who said quite blithely that the only famous presidents were active in foreign policy. I'm sorry you're having economic troubles, but it's kind of naive to think that when Kerrry is elected, they'll all just...go away...[/COLOR]

[Guest The Pro]

I'd vote for my ***, becouse thats what i feal about the US and the US election! DEAL WITH IT AMERICANOS

[eleanor]

[i]You can't blame the crap economy on Bush. That Dot Com bubble was entirely out of control when Bill Clinton was in power, and it was going to explode regardless of who was elected next. Bush did not have any sort of option available when everything began to slide downhill.

Every president had a major focus. Bush's happens to be foreign policy. This could, in theory, be blamed on JFK who said quite blithely that the only famous presidents were active in foreign policy. I'm sorry you're having economic troubles, but it's kind of naive to think that when Kerrry is elected, they'll all just...go away...[/i]

[color=firebrick]I never said I blamed George Bush on the economy. What I don't like is that he's not really doing anything help him. Therefore most of argument just fell apart. If George Bush's major focus is going to be foreign policy, then it gives me more reason not to support him. Yeah, let's try and help every country out there but just let the country you're supposed to be leading go down the drain.

And secondly, I never said I thought 'everyone will be ok' when Kerry is elected. Obviously, it won't. But maybe things will start to get better.[/color]

[Zeta]

Well, my reasons for voting my way aren't as in depth as some people, since I really don't pay attention to politics. But I am voting for Bush.

I don't see what the problem is with him, I understand where people are coming from, but I don't agree wtih it. The things that Bush has done would have to be done sooner or later under another presidency. Then it wouldn't be Bush we were attacking, but the other guy. Of course I think he could have done things different here and there, but again, sooner or later these things would be done. Instead of blaming Bush, you should blame the past presidents who didn't do things that allowed all the stuff to happen i n the future. Had they acted on it beforehand, things could be different by now. That is my view on the matter anyways. So yeah, I'm going for Bush.

Besides, I don't want to see the face of Kerry on the cover of Time. It wouldn't even fit!

[Sol-Blade]

Personally im voting for Bush/Cheney party, also known as the Republican's for you slow people out there ;) .

[B]Why?[/B]

Well for one thing, I feel that Bush did a pretty good job the past 4 years and I truly believe that he will do another 4 just as great. When I think of Bush, I think of all the problems he has had to face these past 4 years. 9/11, the hunt in Afganistan(sp? LOL), the war in Iraq, and on top of it all...the usual world issues. I think he handled himself rather well, better than I definitely thought he would do. I was probably more happier to hear that we were actively hunting for Bin Laden only weeks after the attacks, than I was to hear my college football team (which I was a part of) won the Regional Championship. Sure we haven't found him yet, but that really doesn't bother me. What would bother me is if we didn't go after him at all.

[B]The war in Iraq?[/B]

Necessary? Well that one is really up to you. Did [I]you[/I] feel it was necessary? Did we [I]really[/I] need to go to war? Are the lives of a few, great, American (among other notable countries) soldiers worth the thousands that would be terrorized [I]world-wide[/I]? Im not going to say anymore.

My last thought on the war: It's a war that could have quite possibly saved people around the entire world. So I feel that it should be a world-wide effort. We aren't doing this for the safety of America (well maybe... :D ), we are doing this to help the world.

[I]I would like to say I feel greatly sorry for all the lives lost in the war, and I show remorse for the families that have lost their loved-ones. I have the utmost respect for any soldier active right now. They are doing what I cannot, and that is stand in the face of danger and fight for a cause.

Giving your life, is a price that no-one should ever have to pay. No matter what the circumstances are.[/I]

[poo62.2]

To be completely honest with you all, I don't care who gets elected
1.I'm too young to vote
2.I live in England
But then again, i should care. Just incase on the off chance that America launches a nuclear strike against England, but that?s not likely to happen.

[James]

[quote name='maladjusted][color=firebrick']I don't know nearly as much as I should about George Bush's foreign policy, but basing your judgement on what George Bush does outside the US isn't what I'd do. [/color][/quote]

[color=#707875]Foreign policy is incredibly important to the domestic environment. It has a direct impact on jobs, education/training and security. So, whether or not you view the outside world as being important (and it is, especially in the global village that we live in today), it's still something that should really be taken into account.

In regard to the economy, people generally give far too much credence to the presidency. Yes, there are things that the Government can do to improve or hinder economic progress. But the Government doesn't [i]control[/i] the economy. All this stuff about "it happened on whoever's watch" is largely garbage. The president doesn't control employment and he doesn't control innovation and corporate spending.

Especially in a capitalist democracy, you have an economy that is generally quite independent of Government. So, yes, Government can make certain regulatory choices that will have an impact on the overall economy...but it annoys me when people (in general) tie job numbers and such directly to the president. The economy (as with many things in life) just isn't that simple.[/color]

[Guest The Pro]

You know what the US is like? its like that guy at the bar, who walsk around, always saying "HEY IM THE GREATEST ****** HERE, AND THERES NOTHING! YOU CAN DO ABOUT! MUHAHHAHA" and eventually wouldnt you just shoot him?
America is the ONLY country that goes around saying there the greatest country on earth on a daily basis. You even notice that? your like a country of narcisists.

[poo62.2]

[QUOTE]
The Pro:
America is the ONLY country that goes around saying there the greatest country on earth on a daily basis. You even notice that? your like a country of narcisists.[/QUOTE]

Hey Pro, Though we are all entitled to our own a opinion on the OB, I don't think it would be wise to poke fun at America seems the majority of people on the OB are American.

I'm not from America, but I?m just saying be careful and think before you speak, you don't want to go around angering people.

[naota]

Yeah pro you don't see us teasing you about your bad spelling do you(with an exception of me)? I would probably vote for kelly because I don't like Bush for certain reasons.

[James]

[QUOTE=The Pro]You know what the US is like? its like that guy at the bar, who walsk around, always saying "HEY IM THE GREATEST ****** HERE, AND THERES NOTHING! YOU CAN DO ABOUT! MUHAHHAHA" and eventually wouldnt you just shoot him?
America is the ONLY country that goes around saying there the greatest country on earth on a daily basis. You even notice that? your like a country of narcisists.[/QUOTE]

[color=#707875]C'mon now, let's just look at the logic of that. Most of the members here are American and I have many friends on here, whom I speak to regularly, from America. I have never encountered the people that you describe. Sure, some people behave like that...but let's not make a vast generalization. Every country has its weirdos; but I've generally always had very positive experiences with Americans.

Moreover, the post itself is spam. It has no relationship whatsoever with the election. Please keep your comments confined to this topic, everyone.[/color]

[eleanor]

[i]Foreign policy is incredibly important to the domestic environment. It has a direct impact on jobs, education/training and security. So, whether or not you view the outside world as being important (and it is, especially in the global village that we live in today), it's still something that should really be taken into account.

In regard to the economy, people generally give far too much credence to the presidency. Yes, there are things that the Government can do to improve or hinder economic progress. But the Government doesn't control the economy. All this stuff about "it happened on whoever's watch" is largely garbage. The president doesn't control employment and he doesn't control innovation and corporate spending.

Especially in a capitalist democracy, you have an economy that is generally quite independent of Government. So, yes, Government can make certain regulatory choices that will have an impact on the overall economy...but it annoys me when people (in general) tie job numbers and such directly to the president. The economy (as with many things in life) just isn't that simple.[/i]

[color=firebrick]I know foreign policy is important and I certainly know that the outside world is important. And for the umpteenth time, I am NOT [i]blaming[/i] George Bush for our bad economy. So to the point across, I'm not blaming the bad economy on ANYONE. What I'm angry about is that I believe he's spending way too much time on Iraq and isn't really helping the economy. I don't know what the president does to make the economy better, but I'm guessing that he could spent some more time on it. [/color]