Gaming Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus

[Semjaza]

This was just announced today. It's a game involving Vincent from FFVII. However, from all I can gather it doesn't seem to be an RPG, but more of an action title. Not really what people wanted I suppose, but maybe it'll turn out. Who knows, since I don't think Square has been very good in that genre.

[Zidargh]

Heh, Advent Children's getting to Square's head. As much as a fan as I am, if AC isn't successful, then this game isn't going to be released. What with the spin off of a pre-existing game in the form of a movie set to come out, if that doesn't live up to expectations, I don't see the point in releasing this game.

I feel they're trying to fill up the plot holes they left in VII as Vincent was left unexplained in most cases. He was probably one of the most interesting characters in the game, so the only way they're going to pull this off is to leave it where he was placed into the cofifn. (This is assuming it's based before the events that occurred in FFVII. Though, by his get up it looks like it's going to be set after VII, considering [spoiler]he was a Turk[/spoiler], and those guys wear suits.)

Just have to wait 'til more information comes out.

[Dagger]

Vincent has always been a popular character, so I suppose it makes sense that they chose to create a spin-off featuring him. Hopefully the game will be, well, good--I'd [I]like[/I] to think Square isn't just churning out mediocre FFVII-related merchandise to coincide with or follow up on the release of Advent Children.

~Dagger~

[Semjaza]

Advent Children should have little to no bearing on the release of this game. Why the performance of a film should be compared to that of a game, I don't really know. I don't see the direct correlation, especially considering they're both based on a game in the first place.

I don't know what to expect from this. Square's other ventures outside of RPGs have been a mixed bag... from sports to racing to fighters. Some turn out, most do not. I can't say I have very high hopes for this.

As for the rest:

[quote]The latest issue of Japan's Jump Magazine contains first information on an action game starring FFVII vampire character Vincent Valentine. The game, Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus.


In Dirge of Cerberus, players take control of Vincent, a former member of the Turks. The game takes place a year following Advent Children, which means it follows the events of the PlayStation Final Fantasy VII. The story begins as a mysterious group called "DG" suddenly begins attack of a peaceful town, leaving only one choice for Vincent -- to fight back!

Aside from these few bits, Square Enix has revealed nothing on Dirge of Cerberus. The few screens shown of the game all appear to be from cinema sequences, with one screen showing a line of dialogue where Vincent states "The meeting place with Reeve is..." Looking strictly at the game's artwork, one may think Square Enix has taken some influence from Capcom's Devil May Cry; Dirge of Cerberus should appropriately be a vampire game, making this a reasonable choice.

A Japanese release for Dirge of Cerberus is set for 2005. It's possible that this game will make it into Square Enix's Tokyo Game Show press conference, scheduled for 9/24. We'll be back with more at that time.[/quote]

[url]http://ps2.ign.com/articles/548/548211p1.html?fromint=1[/url]

Don't quite see the point of this, to be honest. It's cool that Square is trying to branch this franchise out, but does the PS2 really [I]need [/I]another "cool" and "angsty" action game?

[BlueYoshi]

[quote name='Dagger']Vincent has always been a popular character, so I suppose it makes sense that they chose to create a spin-off featuring him.[/quote]

Yeah, you have a point. It's not like people would want to know about Yuffie and the frivolous adventures she got up to after the events of FFVII.

As for the game itself, I don't know. Expectations aren't high from this end, but maybe, just [i]maybe[/i] it can fulfil the minimum standards of any other action game, unlike The Bouncer, which was a disgrace as far as I'm concerned.

[Brasil]

Vincent May Cry?

EDIT: Haha, just read the article. Yep. Vincent May Cry. :p

[vegeta rocker]

This seems a bit ridiculous, i mean why would i want to see Vincent vaulting around like a teenage dante?

Why does every popular character have to be attractive, and have great hair?

Slap Square Enix for me.

[James]

[color=#707875]Geeze, some of you guys are shooting this thing down based on so little information. If anything, your low expectations may at least make the game more enjoyable for you in the end. lol

Whether it's Final Fantasy VII or whether it's Wind Waker, I absolutely refuse to dismiss something before I play it for myself.

It seems to me that Square-Enix is attempting to actually answer the calls of their fans. I mean, fans of the company have been wanting a Final Fantasy VII-based game in some form, for a while now. Although this may not be a traditional RPG, it may still prove to be a game that pleases FFVII fans (and perhaps action game fans alike).

I do agree that this game isn't intrinsically tied to Advent Children. An action video game is going to be held to totally different standards than a short feature film.

In regard to the overall "expanding FFVII" concept, I can only say that if Square-Enix has some of the original people involved (ie: people who actually wrote the story and so on), it's a worthwhile attempt. Final Fantasy VII has such a rich storyline; it's more than reasonable for Square-Enix to want to explore that in more specific detail, in some areas. I mean, Final Fantasy X's story was much thinner than FFVII's and yet, it received a direct sequel. So in that context, these new products shouldn't be a huge surprise.

Of course, I hope that Dirge of Cerberus is a fun game. My hope is that it doesn't come off as being as unpolished as Kingdom Hearts, which was average at best.

But at this point there are still so many question marks about the title. We don't really know how the battle system will work, what the pacing will be like, or how story-heavy the game will be. There are just so many unknowns. It's far, far too early to pass judgements just yet.[/color]

[Sandy]

So now we have AC, BC and DC. Notice a pattern here? :smirk:

Squenix is really taking advantage of this Polymorphism(tm)...

I'm no fan of Action-games, but Mr. Valentine does look awfully luscious in his own angsty way.

I'm actually glad that the FF-mark is spreading outside the RPG genre, so perhaps I'll get that FF fighting game I've dreamed of. (he he, Tifa beating Cloud's arse... It's funny how a pasifistic person such as moi can enjoy games like Tekken so much.)

But we'll just have to see where the Promising Path of Polymorphism(tm) leads us...

[Delta]

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Amazing! A Vincent Valentine game! Finally, a move that'll pick up the loose plot thread that is Vincent. As Zidargh said, Vincent Valentine is easily one of the most interesting characters in the Final Fantasy series. Hoom hmm... maybe they thought that Vincent won't be as popular as Cloud so they didn't give him a lot of exposure in the game.

It's an interesting move by Squenix to attach an action title to the Final Fantasy name. I hope they don't abandon the project.

[u]Sage[/u]: There is a game where Tifa could [i]actually[/i] tussle with Cloud, Sephiroth and Vincent. It's a fighting game called Ehrgeiz (1998).


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[Semjaza]

I'm personally selling this short based on Square's history. What do I need to know? That they've made a total of two decent action games in their history? All that come to mind are Einhander and Tobal (Tobal being made by some other studio).

Obviously there's little information to say how this will turn out for sure, but I really can't remain optimistic over it for no reason other than "I don't know a lot about it". There's really no reason to, in my opinion, and I don't have much faith in Square's ability to create this style of game. The last real time game they designed was Kingdom Hearts and that was a mess... but it's better than their other forays into straight-out action games.

I suppose there are some people who might be down on this game simply because it's not the FFVII RPG sequel they somehow think Square has the extra resources to devote itself to... but I'm definitely not in that group.

If it turns out, then cool. I just don't expect it to be much more than average personally.

[quote name='Sage']I'm actually glad that the FF-mark is spreading outside the RPG genre, so perhaps I'll get that FF fighting game I've dreamed of. (he he, Tifa beating Cloud's arse... It's funny how a pasifistic person such as moi can enjoy games like Tekken so much.).[/quote]

You can already do that in Ergheiz, which was awful in and of itself (and Square even had Namco's help there). Edit - That was said already, oh well lol.

[Box Hoy]

It's the end of the world people. Yet another Final Fantasy 7 sequel. Look at the attachment. Vincent's our new hero.

Oh well, here's what [url]www.rpgamer.com[/url] had to say about it:

Square Enix has announced that Dirge of Cerberus, which was recently trademarked in North America, will be the subtitle to their newest sequel to Final Fantasy VII. Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus will be Vincent's first foray into being the main character of his own game. The story takes place approximately one year after the end of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. It has been implied that the story will revolve around Vincent fighting a group of enemies, who at the present, are known only as "DC".

Dirge of Cerberus, like Advent Children, is scheduled to be released on both DVD and UMD formats. Unlike Advent Children, however, Dirge of Cerberus will be a playable game of an unannounced genre for the Playstation 2 and PSP consoles. This title is currently scheduled for release on the Playstation 2 and PSP in 2005.


Now, the interesting thing about this is that the biggest reason a PS2 FFVII remake wasn't made was because they'd have to build it from the ground up. Now that they have this, though, I imagine it wouldn't take much to do the remake. I hate to do this, 'cause I'll probably be wrong, but I predict by next summer they'll have announced the remake, probably to cap off this whole FFVII influx of games.

I'm still not totally convinced that this is real. We can only hope.
Ciao.

[James]

[quote name='SemjazaAzazel']I'm personally selling this short based on Square's history. What do I need to know? That they've made a total of two decent action games in their history? All that come to mind are Einhander and Tobal (Tobal being made by some other studio).[/quote]

[color=#707875]I agree with what you're saying there. The only thing I'd say is that we don't even know if this is an action game. We literally know nothing about the gameplay. So all I'm saying is that, as with games like Wind Waker and others, I personally don't want to assume anything at this point. A lot of people are going to make assumptions about it before anything is revealed. I'm pretty much just going to follow the developments and see what happens.

I'm not actually optimistic about it as such, I'm just reserving judgement at this point.

In my comments, I was mostly referring to vegeta rocker's post. I mean...there's just so much wrong with that. lol

The comparisons with Dante/Devil May Cry are automatic, perhaps, but right now I view them as totally ridiculous. Vincent (and his design) came along prior to Dante. We've seen a few shots and we know about a basic theme and that's it -- there's absolutely no reason to suggest that this is simply a Devil May Cry rip-off or something. The fact is, we just don't know.[/color]

[Charles]

When discussing doubt being cast on the game, the primary fault with raising an example such as Wind Waker is that you're comparing a reliable company to a mediocre one, as it were. Concerning Zelda, hardcore fans could find solace in the fact that whether they agreed with the new direction or not, they could hold confidence in knowing that the developers decided on the artistic standpoint they did for the good of the product.

I'm not writing this game off entirely but I have no reason to anticipate it either. That's where I stand on the issue. Square Enix finally seems to be taking advantage of the Final Fantasy VII cash cow but they're at least three years too late to hold my interest with spin-off value. Vincent is a genuinely intriguing character whose plot has serious potential, so I'm glad reality has coincided with the rumors as far as their choice in dedicating a game to him goes. But, I wish they would just go ahead and deliver the remake everyone wants instead. At least that way we'd have a more pronounced understanding of what exactly happened with the characters in that game to begin with.

[vegeta rocker]

they need to just get off the damn band wagon and not make a terrible game.
if they do make this game i hope it will be good. I am not saying that i won't buy it, but i am saying that it better not be like DMC 2.

Vincent May Cry.........man i gotta use that somehow.

James has a point and i might have been a little rash in dismissing it so quickly.

[James]

[QUOTE=Charles]When discussing doubt being cast on the game, the primary fault with raising an example such as Wind Waker is that you're comparing a reliable company to a mediocre one, as it were. Concerning Zelda, hardcore fans could find solace in the fact that whether they agreed with the new direction or not, they could hold confidence in knowing that the developers decided on the artistic standpoint they did for the good of the product.

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[color=#707875]There's nothing that is really more medicore about Square-Enix than Nintendo, though. I mean...let's be clear about it. We're talking about Square's action games having a poor track record. But we don't even know what format this game will be. We really [i]don't[/i] know if it'll be anything like Devil May Cry, or whether it'll be closer to Vagrant Story, or something entirely different.

So that's the basis I'm using. We just don't know. So it's too early to even assume that we can compare it to Square-Enix's previous action titles.

I think that the comparision between Wind Waker and this game works, for one simple reason: I'm not comparing the companies, or even the games themselves. I'm comparing the public reaction to change. In the case of Wind Waker, it was a reaction to a new visual style. In the case of Dirge of Cerberus, it's a reaction to a perceived change in genre or style (an action game versus an RPG that we might have otherwise expected).

My only point is that we should reserve judgement. I didn't like the early judgements with Wind Waker, and I don't like them with any game. I don't mean to imply that we should be ultra-excited about this game and that it's going to be wonderful, I'm only saying that I don't know a thing about it. And neither does anyone else. Right now we just have a few screenshots, which show almost nothing of fundamental significance. We honestly don't even know the genre, so it's like basing an analysis on just the title alone or something.

In regard to what vegeta rocker just said, again, I have no idea why you would even attempt to compare this game to DMC at this stage. Because it's third person and Vincent looks dark and brooding, a bit like Dante? I mean, really, how would one even begin to assume that this game has any relationship with DMC? (Whether in gameplay system or otherwise).

By that basis I could probably knock DMC for copying Vincent's design with Dante. But as we know, DMC and FFVII are vastly different games.

Whether or not this game is good, whether or not it's a DMC clone, or whatever, I'm only saying that we should wait to reserve judgement. It's fair not to have great expectations based on Square's previous action games, but we don't even know if this is in the same genre. So it's a bit difficult to draw that link.[/color]

[Brasil]

I'm not sure what others are basing their reactions on, James, but the "look" of the game really has nothing to do with my reaction, heh.

I'm simply considering what we [i]have[/i] been given here: the game is going to be third-person perspective. It features Vincent from FFVII. Vincent uses guns. He is a gothic character. The game is supposedly an action game. It's coming out on PS2.

Unless Square-Enix totally revamps his character, giving him a daisy and a sack of hugs, and placing him smack-dab in the middle of a flowered meadow full of posies, I don't think the immediate comparisons to DMC are all that ridiculous, really. Yes, it's incredibly early and all, and we do have very, very minute details about the game, but the info we do have could certainly point to at least a DMC-esque entry.

Based on what we've seen/read here, it seems certainly possible, and everyone does have their assessment of the actual DMC series, so it's only natural that those assessments would affect their reaction to Vincent May Cry, since what we've read about Dirge of Cerberus could certainly point to a DMC starring Vincent.

Until we do know more, I don't think we can write-off any assessment of the game at this point.

[Semjaza]

More scans. This time from V-Jump. Thanks to Neo at GAF.

Genre says "undecided", whatever the hell that means. What I see leads me to believe it's some sort of stealth/action game though. Who knows.

[DeadSeraphim]

[COLOR=Indigo][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial]I agree with James on this one, heh. Despite having seen screenshots, its still a tad early to tell what this game could turn out as. Judging it from appearances alone, and labelling it a DMC clone before its even released, is a bit... dumb, lol.

Personally, I think it looks somewhat like MGS (the screenshots seem to suggest stealth), and as the only thing from the shots I've seen similar to DMC as yet is a gun and some red, I somehow think that a DMC clone is unlikely.

Besides, Vincent never seemed like the kind of guy who would take outright confrontation over stealth like Dante does anyway, and if SE were to take the route they would be messing up the character of Vincent somewhat, heh.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR]

[BlueYoshi]

Like Alan said, calling it Vincent May Cry is a bit wrong, I think. Ultimately, you can't judge the game before it's even been released, or with very little information on it, but in terms of speculation, I suppose you could say that Square have been somewhat unreliable in this field.

I still don't expect much, but if I'm wrong about the game and it turns out to be a super smash hit, then I'm willing to admit that.

[Gavin]

[size=1]Hmm interesting...

Well I'm sort of on the fence for this one, personally I loved [B]Final Fantasy VII[/B] it was a gem of a game that was a real treat to play, but I?m always a little wary when Square decide to tread waters that they aren?t exactly proficient at. I mean look at Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, Square had at that stage was it 9 or 10 games with some great storylines to choose from, VI or VII anyone ? and they decided to just go off on a tangent and make this. The fact is that Square and Enix are RPG makers, that is their territory of expertise and to be honest that is where I?d like to see them stay, this is unless Dirge of Cerberus brings to Square?s action games what VII brought to their RPGs. I?m hopeful but not expectant.

As for the whole Vincent May Cry comments I?m going to agree with Alex here, from the context of what has been said this game does sort of sound like Devil May Cry. Yes Vincent is a gun-slinger, I?m not going to use the word Goth because honestly I wouldn?t describe him that way, yes he is dark and brooding but I?m not sure if I would associate him with being a Goth. I do agree that Dante may have parts of his character borrowed from Vincent but there are differences between them as characters. It will be for the lack of a better term a Dark 3rd Person Action Game, and so I think the Vincent May Cry comments may be slightly warranted if not 100% accurate.[/size]

[James]

[QUOTE=Siren]

I'm simply considering what we [i]have[/i] been given here: the game is going to be third-person perspective. It features Vincent from FFVII. Vincent uses guns. He is a gothic character. The game is supposedly an action game. It's coming out on PS2.[/quote]

[color=#707875]Supposedly action? Again, there's no source or reference for that. lol

We don't know the genre and Square-Enix hasn't mentioned it. We have no video nor any playable software to make our judgement on. We [i]only[/i] have screenshots.

So, like I mentioned before, this game could play like DMC, or it might play like Jet Set Radio, or it might play like Space Channel 5 or god knows what else. Obviously that's a bit of an exaggeration, but, third person visuals and guns don't necessarily dictate the gameplay genre -- they only really influence the visual style (and we've already seen Vincent in third person, with a gun in Final Fantasy VII, which was an RPG and not an action title.)[/color][quote=Siren]

Unless Square-Enix totally revamps his character, giving him a daisy and a sack of hugs, and placing him smack-dab in the middle of a flowered meadow full of posies, I don't think the immediate comparisons to DMC are all that ridiculous, really. Yes, it's incredibly early and all, and we do have very, very minute details about the game, but the info we do have could certainly point to at least a DMC-esque entry.[/quote]

[color=#707875]But don't you see how that makes absolutely no sense? lol

What are you really judging it on? You're judging it based on how Vincent looks. But as I've frequently pointed out, Vincent was around long before Dante. Yet nobody was comparing DMC to Final Fantasy VII.

You simply can't base your assumption of the game's genre based on the aesthetic of the main character. Vincent is an established character, he didn't just arrive yesterday. He is not mimmicking Dante. Any comparison between Dante and Vincent is purely coincidental at this point.[/color]

[quote=Siren]Based on what we've seen/read here, it seems certainly possible, and everyone does have their assessment of the actual DMC series, so it's only natural that those assessments would affect their reaction to Vincent May Cry, since what we've read about Dirge of Cerberus could certainly point to a DMC starring Vincent.

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[color=#707875]What have we read about it that bears any relationship to DMC? lol. Nothing. There's nothing at all about the game that indicates that, on any substantive basis.

The only thing that even remotely hints at it is the third person, the gun and the look of Vincent. But again, Vincent was around long before Dante.

And there are many third person games in many genres.

Sheesh. ~_^[/color]

[Brasil]

[QUOTE=James][color=#707875]Supposedly action? Again, there's no source or reference for that. lol

We don't know the genre and Square-Enix hasn't mentioned it. We have no video nor any playable software to make our judgement on. We [i]only[/i] have screenshots.[color=black][/quote][/color]

[color=#000000][quote]The latest issue of Japan's Jump Magazine contains first information on an action game starring FFVII vampire character Vincent Valentine. The game, Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus.[/quote][/color]

[color=#000000]I just looked at the article we were linked to, lol. That's why I mentioned "supposedly action," because there isn't any confirmation, but it being an action title seems to be the general direction, based on initial reactions.[/color]

[color=black][QUOTE][/color]So, like I mentioned before, this game could play like DMC, or it might play like Jet Set Radio, or it might play like Space Channel 5 or god knows what else. Obviously that's a bit of an exaggeration, but, third person visuals and guns don't necessarily dictate the gameplay genre -- they only really influence the visual style (and we've already seen Vincent in third person, with a gun in Final Fantasy VII, which was an RPG and not an action title.)[/color][color=black][/QUOTE] [/color]

I agree that guns are visual, but I don't think they [i]only[/i] really influence the visual style. I think they're more than that, actually. In games I've played, having the character holding a gun usually isn't simply designed to make them look cool or anything. Often, the gun does have a use: to kill things, to provide firepower, to affect gameplay.

Ratchet and Clank use quite a few different weapons, as do Jak and Daxter, and while those guns do add to the aesthetics of the game, they also serve a purpose from a gameplay standpoint.

The guns in Earthworm Jim also provide more than just a visual, except for the Bubble Gun, which really is useless, lol. I don't think many can debate the usefulness of the Plasma Gun or the Darn Barn Blaster when killing enemies.

Even in DMC, the guns were utilized as more than a flashy "I'm Dante and I wield dual pistols named Ebony and Ivory. I'm damn cool-looking." You couldn't kill a long-range enemy with the sword, and thus you would switch to the firearms. That seems gameplay-oriented in addition to visually-oriented.

And yes, we've already seen Vincent in third-person, when he debuted in FFVII, but like you said, that was an RPG, which bears little resemblance to third-person action titles, FPS, stealth-action, platformers, etc. But, the utilization of those guns is fairly conventional in FFVII, during battles. Vincent uses the pistols as his weapon. They aren't just a window-dressing; they're the tools he uses throughout the game.

[color=#707875][color=black][QUOTE][/color][color=#707875]But don't you see how that makes absolutely no sense? lol

What are you really judging it on? You're judging it based on how Vincent looks. But as I've frequently pointed out, Vincent was around long before Dante. Yet nobody was comparing DMC to Final Fantasy VII.

You simply can't base your assumption of the game's genre based on the aesthetic of the main character. Vincent is an established character, he didn't just arrive yesterday. He is not mimmicking Dante. Any comparison between Dante and Vincent is purely coincidental at this point.[/color][/color][color=black][/QUOTE] [/color]

[color=black]But I never said he was mimmicking Dante, and I never implied that the character of Vincent was something of a copyright infringement on the design of Dante. Honestly, I don't care at all if they're cut from the same mold or whatever. Similarities between the two characters do not matter to me, just like I couldn't care less about the similarities between Mario and Luigi.[/color]
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[color=black]Perhaps I should have explained what I meant by "gothic." When Vincent is telling us about Lucrecia, and how his life has been filled with trauma, pain, suffering, etc, his story and characterization are heavily gothic. If we were to examine gothic literature, we would find similar experiences there. By "gothic literature," I am referring to 1764 to 1840.[/color]
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[color=black]I'm not basing anything, really, on Vincent's "look." I'm basing it on his character, gameplay execution from previous games (the combat, for example, his guns), and what we've seen in screenshots, which does more and more bear resemblance to an action title, albeit one with some stealth apparently thrown in.[/color]

[color=#707875][color=black][quote][/color]What have we read about it that bears any relationship to DMC? lol. Nothing. There's nothing at all about the game that indicates that, on any substantive basis.

The only thing that even remotely hints at it is the third person, the gun and the look of Vincent. But again, Vincent was around long before Dante.

And there are many third person games in many genres.[color=black][/quote][/color]

[color=black]And again, I'm not saying Vincent May Cry simply because the characters look similar, lol. They dress alike, so what? They have the same eyes, big deal. They share gameplay characteristics? Now, that's interesting.[/color]

[color=black][quote][/color]Sheesh. ~_^[/color][/QUOTE]Hehe. ~_^

But I am getting interested about this game, and while my "Vincent May Cry" sounds like I'm writing it off, it's just a fun way of referring to it...keeps me interested in the game, lol. I especially like one of the later screenshots Tony supplied us with, the one of Vincent hiding behind a crate or something.

[Semjaza]

See, the thing is, I don't think anyone was directly comparing the character design of Vincent to that of Dante. Dante and Vincent really look very little alike in general. I don't recall anyone giving the impression that Vincent was somehow a ripoff in terms of character design. What is being compared is the overall look of the game, and in the first few shots given, I think a DMC comparison was rather apt.

And even in terms of the new character design, there's an obvious difference compared to the old one. Vincent wasn't quite this edgy and his cloak never had that sort of appearance. It definitely seems to be going in a different direction than the original, which makes comparisions of the original designs somewhat useless.

The V-Jump scans don't really give that same impression because they seem to be the only ones with any actual gameplay shots.

The game really looks like it uses the Kingdom Hearts graphics engine to me. It just has that same feel. Seems most obvious in that screen with the big guy in blue.

[James]

[QUOTE=Semjaza Azazel]See, the thing is, I don't think anyone was directly comparing the character design of Vincent to that of Dante. Dante and Vincent really look very little alike in general. I don't recall anyone giving the impression that Vincent was somehow a ripoff in terms of character design. What is being compared is the overall look of the game, and in the first few shots given, I think a DMC comparison was rather apt.

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[color=#707875]Several people in this very thread have made that comparison. lol

You didn't, that's true. But I never mentioned you, in that regard.

But fundamentally it's a general comparison that I view as being totally moot, for various reasons (some of which I listed in my last post, and some you've mentioned in this latest post).

Like I said before, I think the experience of people making immediate assumptions (particularly negative) about a game that they know nothing about, is something that annoys me. It's the kind of thing where people start to build up a whole idea about the game, based on either the wrong information, or mere assumptions that are baseless.

It'd be nice, just once, to see gamers have an open mind and just see what comes, rather than immediately trying to degrade a new game simply because the company who developed it also develops poor action games (which this game may or may not be) and because the game happens to have some very vague aesthetic similarities to Devil May Cry.[/color]