A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.

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[QUOTE=Attimus331]
I simply believe in the separation between church and state. [/QUOTE]

So do I; but what Godel advocated was active supression of the chruch by members of the state, and that is unacceptable.

[QUOTE]The French recently had an issue (actually they still might be, I haven't checked up on it for a while) about this kinda stuff. They wouldn't let the girls wear the scarf things, they were angry, and I even think some terrorists kidnapped some journalists threatening there lives if the French didn't change the law.[/QUOTE]

The French are bloody idiots, for many reasons. In this case, they essentially passed a "dress code" on all their citizens, regarding a garment that's sacred to the largest minority group in their country.

Really, what did they think wopuld happen?

[QUOTE]I really don't think any of that religious stuff should be allowed.[/QUOTE]

So you're for the active government supression of individual expression? Go, you.

[QUOTE] You can't say yes to a kid carrying around a bible or a cross and say no to the kids carrying around the daggers (well maybe not daggers, but you get my point), that's being hypocritical.[/QUOTE]

I can, very easily, and it wouldn't be hypocritical in the least. A bible or Cross is not inherantly a weapon. Apples grow up north, and oranges grow in Floridia.

[QUOTE] And personally I just plainly don?t like it when I see the Christians carrying around their bibles; it just reminds me of some of their ideals that I don?t necessarily agree with.[/QUOTE]

Please show me the section in the law that states that you aren't allowed to be offended by opposing ideas or concepts.

I dislike rap music. I think it's irritating, and I find many of the lyrics downright offensive to my moral sensabilities. Should I be able to say that rap music and pariphenilia should be banned, because it reminds me of rapper ideals I don't neccissarily agree with?

[QUOTE]Luckily at my school I don?t see any of that?although I do here some rude comments every now and then. ?Oh, you?re gay? I guess I won?t see you in Heaven then?.? Stupid remarks like that? I?m not saying rather it?s true or not, or even saying there is a Heaven, but I am saying I think it?s very rude and ignorant to say something like that, nobody needs that, and it definitely doesn?t help anybody either.[/QUOTE]

Apples make cider and oranges make sherbert. Displaying religion and using it as the basis of personal attacks are completely different things.

And, while we're on the topic, is your self-esteem so fragile that you'll drop into a weeping heap if someone tells you "you're going to Hell because ___"? If you've already determined they're speaking from ignorance or malice, why does it bother you?

I've been told I'm going to Hell by another Christian because I wasn't Christian enough for his tastes. I promptly concluded he was an idiot and moved on with my life. Grow a back bone, people!

[QUOTE]As far as the whole ?intellectual growth? thing, I disagree with that as well. In a class of 30 kids, you can?t possibly get people to have the same view, so yeah, there?s going to be an argument. Sure, if there wouldn?t be any of that, the discussion can be both educational and promote intellectual growth, but I don?t think that?ll happen. Yes, school is for education, but you also have classes, you can?t have a discussion about religion in a math class, or English class. Maybe in science if you?re discussing the whole evolution thing, maybe in history if you?re discussing religion?s involvement in history, but other than that, no, you can?t really leave with anything valuable for the class.[/QUOTE]

Apple seeds are brown and orange seeds are white. Again, displaying religious affiliation in non-disruptive ways and derailing class discussions for it (or any subject) is completely different.

[QUOTE]If you want to talk about religion, and discuss it, wait till Sunday and go to church, or heck just get on the internet and do what I?m doing right now. [/QUOTE]

Go on the internet and advocate supression individual liberties? I'm an evil conservative, but even I'm not that evil.

If it's your free time, you should be able to discuss anything you want, provided that you don 't cause a disturbance. I hear classmates talking about their sex lives, and I quite frankly don't wanna' hear that, so I just tune them out. I don't silence their voices.
[QUOTE]Eh, well that?s what I have to say, sort of. I just hope it won?t come off the wrong way?..maybe my hopes are a little high.[/QUOTE]
I think that niether you nor Godel are thinking fully about the precedence the actions you suggest are setting.