The Election/Next Four Years

[Adahn]

[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]First, I'd like to point out that I just ate a pizza roll that had nothing in it.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
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[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]Second, I was wondering what everyone does on election day. Did you vote? Will you stay up for the results? Will you party if one thing happens and/or break things if it doesn't? Do you live in the U.S. and not care? Why? Do you live outside the U.S. and care? Why?[/color][/size][/font][/b]
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[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]So many questions. I indeed voted, and there are two things I'm interested in, mainly.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
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[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]1. Who will the president be?[/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]2. Will there be a constitutional ban on gay marriage?[/color][/size][/font][/b]
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[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]I'm probably going to stay up, because I'm in a college dorm that is fairly divided. I expect screams of joy and exultation in harmony with curses and the sounds of glass shattering, all around 2:00 A.M. and for hours afterwards. I can't wait, especially with my 8:00 A.M. chemistry lab tomorrow. Oh man, I'm pumped.[/color][/size][/font][/b]

[Jim_Hawking]

First, how did an empty pizza roll make it out of the factory?

Second, I have voted. (First time too...) Chances are I'll watch until about ten pm central then switch to [adult swim] on Cartoon Network. That or watch Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040.

Concerning the results or what not...blah.

I think a man will win only because there are no women running, I'd say there's a good chance he's gonna be white, and he's more than likely to be rich.

Constitutional ban on Gay Marriage, I'm neutral towards it.

Some one wake me when it's over.

[Dagger]

Once I get home, I'm not going to listen to the radio or turn on my TV until 10:00 EST, at which time I plan on hunkering down to watch The Daily Show's special election day broadcast. Depending on whether Jon Stewart is able to get me in a relatively good mood, I may or may not stay up for the later results.

Frankly I doubt that the election will be fully resolved as of tomorrow morning.

~Dagger~

[DeathBug]

Well, I voted; it's kinda' like mailing away for a cereal box toy: "Include your ballet and proof of ID. Your new president will arrivave in four-to-six weeks."

I'm gonna' watch Invader Zim. Yeah.

[Swordsaint]

1st: Empty pizza Rolls should be banned by the constitution!

2nd: To be honest, I'm leaning towards Kerry (I can't vote yet, 17) Bush comes acrossed as ignorant, arrogant, incompetent and his staff all have corrutped power hungry jackasses written all over them. But that's just me.

I don't think Kerry's the world's greatest choice with how he pander's to which ever majority he speaks to (people mistake this with flip flopping) Pro-war, or anti-war. It's hard to tell exactly where he stands on all of this.

Constitutional ban on gay mariage to me is wrong. Would I marry a member of the same sex? No, but it doesn't bother me the slightest that other people do, as long as they don't try to impose their way on me.

[jblessing]

Well, I'm not going to use this thread to bash anyone else's decisions. I, however, decided to vote for Bush and am very proud of my decision. I think he did a great job leading our country the past four years, given the difficult tasks he had to deal with during his first year as well as economic problems.

I honestly don't know whether or not the election results will be known tonight, and if they are, I am not going to wait until they are posted. It can wait until the morning for me.

I feel strongly that President Bush will be re-elected, everyone I know is voting for him and the majority of the people at my precinct seemed to be voting for him as well. Anyways, no point in speculating -- we'll find out when we find out.

Oh, and I feel there should be a constitutional ban on gay marriages. It shouldn't be a states' decision whether to allow it or not. Marriage is exactly that, marriage. It is between a man and a woman (regardless of race, heritage, etc) and that is how it always been defined in our society and should remain as such.

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE=Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]First, I'd like to point out that I just ate a pizza roll that had nothing in it.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
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[color=indigo] Damn Totinos?. [/color]

[quote name='Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]Second, I was wondering what everyone does on election day. Did you vote? Will you stay up for the results? Will you party if one thing happens and/or break things if it doesn't? Do you live in the U.S. and not care? Why? Do you live outside the U.S. and care? Why?[/color][/size][/font'][/b][/quote]

[color=indigo] I voted, and since I am young and I live in Ohio it was a huge [URL=http://www.myotaku.com/users/heavens_cloud/]debacle[/URL].[/color]

[QUOTE=Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f][/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]So many questions. I indeed voted, and there are two things I'm interested in, mainly.[/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f][/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]1. Who will the president be?[/color][/size][/font][/b][/quote]

[color=indigo]I have no clue. It just depends on how many young people go out and vote. If there is a high turn out from young voters Kerry will probably win. If not, Bush will remain president.
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[quote name='Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]2. Will there be a constitutional ban on gay marriage?[/color][/size][/font'][/b][/quote]

[color=indigo]No, both of these guys are going to allow States to decide the legality of gay marriage.
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[size=1][color=#ff6600]Edit: Fixed your link -Lore[/color][/size]

[Gavin]

[quote name='Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]First, I'd like to point out that I just ate a pizza roll that had nothing in it.[/color][/size][/font'][/b][/quote]

[SIZE=1]That happened to me with a supposedly chicken and stuffing sandwich once, oh how I loath people who do such things, they should be shot without trial.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]Second, I was wondering what everyone does on election day. Did you vote? Will you stay up for the results? Will you party if one thing happens and/or break things if it doesn't? Do you live in the U.S. and not care? Why? Do you live outside the U.S. and care? Why?[/color][/size][/font'][/b][/quote]

[SIZE=1]Well last I heard the results won't be known until around 6:00 AM GMT so there's really no point in me staying up to watch, I might get up a little early to see if I can catch the results but more than likely I'll over sleep. I'm personally hoping for Kerry even though I'd traditionally be a conservative and the Republicans stand for a lot of the things that conservative's stand for.

Most of this has to do with the fact I don't like much of Bush's policies (mainly in favour of the rich) and the suffering he's caused in Iraq (100,000 dead as reported by the John Hopkin's University) for the non-existent WMDs. If there was a better Republican candidate one who actually looked as those he knew what he was doing and could speak properly then I'd route for him/her but as it stands Kerry is the better candidate in my opinion.

I'm 100% Irish so there's no chance of me voting (even though there's about 80/90 million Irish people in America) and if Kerry wins then many people in Ireland and the rest of the world will be very happy at the result. If Bush wins again then I suppose we in Europe are going to have to put up with being called Old Europe with those ex-communist states who are scrambling to join the E.U. are being called New Europe.[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]So many questions. I indeed voted, and there are two things I'm interested in, mainly.[/color][/size][/font][/b]

[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]1. Who will the president be?[/color][/size][/font][/b]
[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]2. Will there be a constitutional ban on gay marriage?[/color][/size][/font][/b][/quote]

[SIZE=1]1] Hopefully Kerry although it could go either way depending on voter turn-out.

2] I don't know and realistically I don't care, here in Ireland abortion is still illegal and by God it's going to stay illegal if I have any hand in it.[/SIZE]

[quote name='Adahn][b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=#556b2f]I'm probably going to stay up, because I'm in a college dorm that is fairly divided. I expect screams of joy and exultation in harmony with curses and the sounds of glass shattering, all around 2:00 A.M. and for hours afterwards. I can't wait, especially with my 8:00 A.M. chemistry lab tomorrow. Oh man, I'm pumped.[/color][/size][/font'][/b][/quote]

[SIZE=1]Well whatever happens all the people in Ireland are going to have to put up with the same ****** leaders and dodgy economics we wake up to every year.

Damn without the WYSIWYG editor that was hard to quote.[/SIZE]

[Inari]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue]Oh man! I wish that I lived in a swing state like Ohio! Idaho has been republican for so long that no one cares about us at all. Hell, we don't even care about the election! Damn those Idaho hicks and religious fanatics! (j/k) Anyways---- I will turn 18 twenty-two days after the election and it sucks! *sigh*

Well, today in the most republican state out there, I wore a Kerry-Edwards yards sign as a mini skirt to school. (I wore pants, because it kept falling off.) Anyways, I got the most interesting looks and comments. That was exactly what I was going for. I just want people to care and get out there and vote if they can. It really pissed me off when a senior in one of my classes said he could vote, but wouldn't. I chewed him out so bad, oh well.

It was interesting to notice that in this increasingly Republican state, the only people that I saw wearing button/shirts/yard signs/etc. where Democrats. It just goes to show who actually cares in a non-swing state. We're so Republican that no one cares anymore. See, I respect people who want Bush for good reasons, but "Kerry blows" is not a good enough reason for Bush to be president.

As for the election, I'm pretty sure we won't know who is president until well after tonight. I'm kind of hoping that Bush wins the popular vote and Kerry wins the electorate, a reverse of 2000. Maybe then we could abolish the out-dated Electoral College, and standardize voter registration and polling procedures, but that's just me.

Hmmm.... Gay marriage.... Personally I'm pro-gay marriage. Gay's should have the same financial benefits of being married as straight people do. Gay marriage is the is twenty-first century issue paralleling the interracial marriage issue of the mid-1800s. The country has typically headed towards increasing liberty, especially with the constitutional amendments. (Think about the ban on alcohol and how it was repealed, women's voting rights, etc.)

Anyways. To anyone who can vote, GO OUT AND VOTE. I don't care who you vote for (mostly), but I would like the voter turn out rates for young people to increase, so our issues would be considered up there with health care, and social security for the old. [/COLOR]

[eleanor]

[color=firebrick] *curses a lot out of sheer nervousness*

[look at my signature, please]

Unfortunately I can't vote but I'm a huge Kerry fan all the way. You bet your butts I'm staying up until three or later just to see if there's a chance of finding who wins the popular vote. Which I hope is Kerry. *pets New York and California*

I've been randomly putting Kerry stickers on people I know who really support Kerry [which was great fun] and I put one on my cello case, for Christ's sake. I also agree Inari about our state being so Republican people at our school just don't care. They only people who show support for a candidate are for Kerry. God. [i]Georgia.[/i] *shudders* I wish I lived in a swing state and was 18.

Right now Bush is leading 102 to 77 electoral votes, but of course that's because of the south. >_< New York will be closing at 9 which is a sure state for Kerry. *sigh* I'm hating Georgia right now. And all the other southern states. And the wanna-be southern states in the midwest.

*groans*[/color]

[chobit]

a)You just saved yourself a whole lot of calories because it was empty.Do you know what is in there?

b)I'm underage and live in Canada.I hope you all get a non-crap president though.

c)[url]http://www.john-says.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.george-says.com/[/url]

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/_black_mamba_/georgesays.jpg[/IMG]

[DeathBug]

[quote name='Inari'] See, I respect people who want Bush for good reasons, but "Kerry blows" is not a good enough reason for Bush to be president.[/quote]

You know, it's funny; that's the only reason Kerry-supporters ever give me for wanting him. =P
[QUOTE] I don't care who you vote for (mostly), but I would like the voter turn out rates for young people to increase, so our issues would be considered up there with health care, and social security for the old. [/QUOTE]

Preach it! Seriously, those vampires in the AARP are sustaining their lives by sucking the vitality and money out of the young. If we weren't such a traditionally apathetic voting block, politicians would be making sweet political romance to us as well. We wouldn't have to settle for MTV and P-Diddy's crap. Non-partisan my partisan arse.


On the other hand...

On the other hand, I've never understood the logic behind saying, "Vote, even if it's not for my guy". If I'm voting for my guy, why would I want to encourage people to vote againat him. So, in the futre, please clear your choices with me, and I'll let you know if you should vote or not.

[James]

[color=#707875]I'm going to be following the election coverage throughout the evening. We only recently had our federal election (a few weeks back), where Prime Minister Howard was returned for a fourth term with an increased majority, despite his support of President Bush. However, I should say that the reasons for his return were largely due to domestic issues (ie: his government's near-flawless handling of the economy).

I have a very keen interest in politics, particularly American politics. So I always watch the coverage and read the articles and so on. I also wrote a major essay in one of my media classes about the Iraq war, which led me to doing a lot of resarch on the lead-up to it. So based on all of that, I'm definitely interested to see what the outcome will be.

To answer your first question, I simply have no idea. Bush is ahead in the counting so far, but as we all know, the election could be decided by one or two "swing states". On that basis, it's still too early to really determine who the winner is. My only hope is that the winner is decisive; that there isn't a month-long debate about it, like in 2000. A clean win would be best for all concerned.

To answer the second question, the simple answer is no. Constitutional ammendments are very difficult to make (both in America and in Australia). It is very unlikely that the Congress would actually ammend the constitution based on such an issue. As HC mentioned, the general consensus seems to be that the states will make the decision. A similar situation is true in Australia, as each of our states has its own set of legislation on the issue of things like civil unions (although marriage itself is, as far as I know, a matter of the federal sphere in this country).[/color]

[eleanor]

[color=firebrick] Yeah, I just watched a recap of the Daily Show where they made fun of the mess in 2000. Needless to say I was laughing my head off. :)

George Bush is leading 197 to 188, but there are still 12 states that have closed polls but have not yet turned in results or anything. Most (or all) of them are close, like 51% to 48% and such. So right now I have a bad feeling George Bush is going to win, but I'm still pulling. Basically:[/color]

[i]Projected wins for George W. Bush and John Kerry in the presidential election are largely painting a familiar picture of red and blue states. Voting is over in the key showdown states. CNN projects Pennsylvania will go to Kerry but in the other two states expected to be crucial for the eventual winner -- Ohio and Florida -- there is not enough information yet to project a winner in either of them.[/i]

[color=firebrick]*taken from CNN.com*

Anyways...I was really hoping that many young people would vote so I loved MTV's 20 Million Loud, mostly because the majority of young people support Kerry, and with good reason.
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[i]On the other hand, I've never understood the logic behind saying, "Vote, even if it's not for my guy". If I'm voting for my guy, why would I want to encourage people to vote againat him. So, in the futre, please clear your choices with me, and I'll let you know if you should vote or not.[/i]

[color=firebrick] Well, the whole point behind voting in America is that we actually have the right to vote, and it's important to get your opinion heard. You know. It's that thing called democracy.[/color]

[i]You know, it's funny; that's the only reason Kerry-supporters ever give me for wanting him. =P[/i]

[color=firebrick]Well, when there's two major candidates it's either you support one guy because you hate the other or your have reasons. It's dumb to dislike people who are like that. (I'm directing this at you, I'm just using the quote to bring it up)[/color]

[Pumpkin]

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1] As far as the pizza role goes....wth is up with that!? darn pizza puff

Also Bush is leading right now so I'm kinda worried about that, my dad (who's from CA) voted for bush, if i was 17 I would vote for Kerry, I think most younger people will vote for Kerry and older people will vote for Bush so this is such a hard election I doubt I could even predict the winner. (but i hope its not that goof bush)

I doubt there will ever be a ban on gay marriage, although its a major issue right now i dont think kerry and bush have put enough of a stand on it. I do however agree with Kerry, there will be marriage for Gay people it will just be called something else, a "union cermony" which is just like a marriage, just not with that name because thats a religious name. I think this way would keep the religious people happy, and the gay-marriage rights happy. Whats in a name if its legal either way? A legal Union Ceremony would be a huge accomplishment, and I know deep down one day that will happen.

As far as the MTV things go, I hate how kids vote for bush only to go against the media. To me that is a waste, celebrities are not forcing you to do something, you dont have to listen to them, vote for your reason. not to go against someone or something. thats all i have to say. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[Afire]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RED]I'm 16, so I couldn't vote either. I don't really care who wins this election. It might be a deciding factor in the upcomming revolution. LOL! Whatever happens, happens. It make take 4 more years until people really start to understand how they've been *******. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Drix D'Zanth]

I think NM and CO will go Bush. If this is true, the entire election rests on Ohio... Ohio is basically the Florida of this election. I'm thinking Bush has it, thank God. I'm so depressed that my state (MI) is so democratic... it's so sad. Damn you, Detroit.

[Pumpkin]

[quote name='Afire][FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RED]I'm 16, so I couldn't vote either. I don't really care who wins this election. It might be a deciding factor in the upcomming revolution. LOL! Whatever happens, happens. It make take 4 more years until people really start to understand how they've been *******. [/COLOR][/SIZE'][/FONT][/quote]

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1] I think you should care, this election determines your future for the past 4 years. do you plan on going to college? getting a job? thats two of the biggest issues right now. even if you cannot vote, that doesnt mean its not going to effect you. Its going to affect us young people the most since half of the battle is the economy and going to war. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[Brasil]

This election made me realize one thing.

Voting isn't enough for me. My local voting place isn't enough for me. The booth isn't enough for me. I want something more.

I'm going to get into politics.

[Inari]

[COLOR=DarkSlateBlue][quote name='DeathBug']On the other hand, I've never understood the logic behind saying, "Vote, even if it's not for my guy". If I'm voting for my guy, why would I want to encourage people to vote againat him. So, in the futre, please clear your choices with me, and I'll let you know if you should vote or not.[/quote]

Hehehe... Of course Death Bug... Bush all the way. *falls over and dies of heart failure, because she has no health insurance* (j/k)

Good point, but as an Idaho citizen, it doesn't really matter who you vote for. The Republicans always win. Our incumbent senator Mike Crappo won his reelection with 99% of the vote. Most of the Republican candidates just go unchallenged. (Or challenged by an even more conservative Republican, God help us!)

[QUOTE]You know, it's funny; that's the only reason Kerry-supporters ever give me for wanting him. =P[/QUOTE]

I'm sure that this is also true. I just see more blindly Republican, straight ticket voters than Kerry "just cus" people. Neither candidate is perfect or even anywhere near perfection, this election is defiantly the lesser of two evils. Both candidates have good and bad aspects to them, and I just respect people who go out and learn the issues and then make an educated decision based on that.

Well, since Florida went for Bush it looks bad for Kerry, though he could still pull through. [/COLOR]

[Afire]

[quote name='Pumpkin][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1] I think you should care, this election determines your future for the past 4 years. do you plan on going to college? getting a job? thats two of the biggest issues right now. even if you cannot vote, that doesnt mean its not going to effect you. Its going to affect us young people the most since half of the battle is the economy and going to war. [/FONT'][/SIZE][/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RED]Dear Pumpkin, I'm waiting for the revolution!!! LOL! Until people realize how they are being totally manipulated...they are not going to get angry enough to do anything about it. It doesn't matter which candidate wins. It's the people who need to get with the issues instead of trusting any polititian. Will they wait until they have no choices left? This I don't know. As for my future? It looks promising. But only because I'm not of this world.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Brasil]

[quote name='Afire][font=Comic Sans MS][size=3][color=red]they are not going to get angry enough to do anything about it.[/color][/size'][/font][/quote]
On the contrary. Expect to see me running for public office in a few years. I'm no longer going to vote and nothing more. I'm getting involved, and my post not five posts above here expressed that, as well.

[Afire]

[quote name='Siren']On the contrary. Expect to see me running for public office in a few years. I'm no longer going to vote and nothing more. I'm getting involved, and my post not five posts above here expressed that, as well.[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RED]Dear Siren, You misquoted me! I said, "Until people realize how they are being totally manipulated...they are not going to get angry enough to do anything about it."

Maybe you are one of those. :) [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Brasil]

Afire, I actually didn't misquote you at all, because you may not realize that I was never being manipulated at all. I'm not fond of the way the political system is run, especially lately. I find the system rather deplorable. I view Michael Moore as a major tool, likewise how I see Bush as a total tool. Let's face it. The partisan political system is stuck in a quagmire of stagnancy and mediocrity.

I didn't include that portion of your post, similar to how I excluded the other portions of your post, because it was inconsequential.

[Afire]

[QUOTE=Siren]Afire, I actually didn't misquote you at all, because you may not realize that I was never being manipulated at all. I'm not fond of the way the political system is run, especially lately. I find the system rather deplorable. I view Michael Moore as a major tool, likewise how I see Bush as a total tool. Let's face it. The partisan political system is stuck in a quagmire of stagnancy and mediocrity.

I didn't include that portion of your post, similar to how I excluded the other portions of your post, because it was inconsequential.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RED]
Then what was your purpose in misquoting me, Siren? I think you will make a very good politician![/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] :laugh: