The Election/Next Four Years

[Brasil]

[QUOTE=Afire][font=Comic Sans MS][size=3][color=red]
Then what was your purpose in misquoting me, Siren? I think you will make a very good politician![/color][/size][/font] :laugh:[/QUOTE]
I "misquoted" you, Afire, because the portions I omitted were useless. I omitted those portions, because, like I've said in my previous post, those portions were inconsequential. You're splitting hairs here, and you are taking the precise actions taken by various politicians here who are steadily dooming our political process through meaningless debate and conjecture, when they have no real point and thus simply drag things out for no good reason.

[DeathBug]

Well, for those who don't know, President Bush has all but certainly won. He's "over the post" when it comes to the neccessary Electoral College votes, and leads with the popular vote.

If the Democrats try to sue, again, it'll be in Ohio. As a Floridian, I'm so frickin' glad we fully went one way. (Bush.) If the democrats really try to sue over such a clear election, which they will, I plan to shoot them. This needs to be over, and lawyering the thing up shouldn't be a tradition.

I'm going to remove all political stances from my signiture and myO, so that I can get on with my life.

By the way, Siren, it's good to see someone else want to get into politics. Hopefully, you'll be on the right side, and by that, I mean mine. =P

[Sword Breaker]

Whoa dang... Bush got re-elected? Well, I'm heading for the bomb shelter. Cya in 4 years. lol.

Anyway, I think that Nader should have won. Simply because of Nader's Raiders. For those that dont know, Nader's Raiders was a charity orginazation that would attack injustices across the world, such as a bad car design that the company wouldn't fix, or a bad baby food. People are afraid of Nader because things would get so much better, so quickly that all the people who make a living off of drugs and other crime would become poor. The people dont decide the election. The criminals do. He was a very powerful man, the kind of guy who would alk into a room, and 300 people who were doing somthing bad would get nervous. It's a shame.

Barring a mirical, I think Kerry should have won, simply because I dont like Bush. Frankly, I dont like eaither very much. I'm a concencious objector, so anyone who goes to war like that is just bad in my mind. Not saying that Kerry wouldn't go to war, ust saying Bush has proven that, and Kerry hasn't. Also, I belive that Bush only became a politician because his father pulled some strings, and hired the best speech writers money can buy.

Somthing else I noticed was, on Warcraft 3, the people who support bush are like "OH VOTE FOR BUSH, *******, VOTE FOR BUSH!" whereas the people who voted Kerry are just like "Well, i voted for Kerry." Now, this is only a personal experiance, that I have had several times, with many different people, but maybe it has some connection to the overall attitudes of both candidates. Bush is all agressive, whereas Kerry is more passive.

[MaineOtakuNo2]

I'm 15 and although I do think Bush is incompetent I'm voting for him. I'm tired of people making fun of him for being a redneck. Yes he does have the south support, so what. Also at least with Bush we have some idea what hell he will bring. I don't say this to diss Kerry though, If he presented his ideas with dignity then he would have my support.

[Dagger]

[quote name='maladjusted][color=firebrick'] Yeah, I just watched a recap of the Daily Show where they made fun of the mess in 2000. Needless to say I was laughing my head off. :)[/color][/quote]

That was awesome! Mr. Stewart and company were in top form last night. Anyway, it looks like the jig is more or less up. Geh, four years is [i]such[/i] a long time...

I'll be voting for Alex whenever he turns thirty-five. ^_~

~Dagger~

[Heaven's Cloud]

[QUOTE=DeathBug]Well, for those who don't know, President Bush has all but certainly won. He's "over the post" when it comes to the neccessary Electoral College votes, and leads with the popular vote.

If the Democrats try to sue, again, it'll be in Ohio. As a Floridian, I'm so frickin' glad we fully went one way. (Bush.) If the democrats really try to sue over such a clear election, which they will, I plan to shoot them. This needs to be over, and lawyering the thing up shouldn't be a tradition.
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[color=indigo]There isn't much of a chance for anyone to sue Ohio successfully. All the polll takers are walking on egg shells here and they are not going to announce a decisive winner until it is mathamatically impossible for Kerry to take the state

However, I think that Kerry will make some type of announcement in the next few minutes at least stating at least that if things continue to go as they are Bush will remain President. I am not sure if Kerry will concede or not.

By the way, Florida had a difference of 500 or so votes, Ohio has a diffence of about 135,000 votes. We just don't want to jump to conclusions when there are still 175,000 votes to count.[/color]

[Guest Midnight Rush]

Well my friends, and not so friends, I must say that over the last few days I have worked my *** off for the President. Calling people, morale rallies, dropping lit. in parking lots, having the RNC pay for dinner with an extremely good lookin' gal, coordinating Teenage Republican GetouttheVote efforts...

I am tired as hell. But I am victorious as hell.

Ohio Bush has a margin of victory of nearly 130k votes, with something like 150k+ Provisionals/Absentees left to go. Kerry needs an overwhelming majority to even think about pulling even. Bill Kristol said it right last night, "We have a clear winner for this presidential election, George is back for four more years."

We lost Pennsylvania, very disappointing. However we won the county I campaigned in! w00t!!!!!!!! The funny thing is, Kerry won Penny. by less than Bush's projected Victory margin in Ohio.

If the Dems. wanna fight in Ohio, they better have some forces here in PA, because Mr. Gleason (Head GOP round these parts) told me at our Victory Party last night, that the GOP Elephant would fight and fight to the death if the DEM Jackass felt like having a brawl.

God Bless America, AND GOD BLESS GEORGE W. BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adahn]

[b][font=Trebuchet MS][color=darkolivegreen]Oh well, looks like Bush is going to win. I honestly don't care a whole lot. I voted for Kerry, and Bush got the highest vote percentage in my county than any other, lol. The parties really aren't a whole lot different. Some people get way too excited. I'd feel about the same if Kerry had won as I feel now with Bush winning. Thank God for the election not being over in the middle of night. Or rather, thank Ohio. I got enough sleep, polished off those pizza rolls, and got out of my chem lab early. Today is a good day.[/color][/font][/b]

[Brasil]

[quote name='Midnight Rush']Bill Kristol said it right last night, "We have a clear winner for this presidential election, George is back for four more years."[/quote]
And why do you think that [url=http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/bill_kristol.htm][u]Bill Kristol[/u][/url] was saying that? Could it be perhaps...that...he's a Right-winger and has been for years? His father was defending Joe McCarthy back during the Red Scare. Bill Kristol served as the chairman for the "Project for the Republican Future."

I think it'd be wise for Republicans like yourself to just cool your jets for a few days, and let the last votes get counted before you go spouting off the victory. Just to play it diplomatically, you know? If CNN can do it, so can Republicans.

[Guest Midnight Rush]

Why cool jets, sweetheart?

When victory is so ******* obvious, I think champers and really loud music are in order. I'd bet my life that Ohio won't be overturned....

[Adahn]

[b][font=Trebuchet MS][size=2][color=darkolivegreen]I changed my mind. I'd like to see Kerry win Ohio, just so I could see Midnight Rush crap his pants. He's so excited. He might just lose his life if Bush loses, lol. He's on top of the world right now. He'd fall off if it got turned upside-down. I can't wait.[/color][/size][/font][/b]

[Afire]

[quote name='Siren']I "misquoted" you, Afire, because the portions I omitted were useless. I omitted those portions, because, like I've said in my previous post, those portions were inconsequential. You're splitting hairs here, and you are taking the precise actions taken by various politicians here who are steadily dooming our political process through meaningless debate and conjecture, when they have no real point and thus simply drag things out for no good reason.[/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RED]Thanks for clearing that up for me, Siren. I would vote for you. I really would. :) [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Note to Adahn: "Stop eating those pizza rolls before you get sick!"

[quote name='Midnight Rush']God Bless America, AND GOD BLESS GEORGE W. BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=RED]And now I feel sick... [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

[Brasil]

[QUOTE=Midnight Rush]Why cool jets, sweetheart?

When victory is so ******* obvious, I think champers and really loud music are in order. I'd bet my life that Ohio won't be overturned....[/QUOTE]And this is the same kind of premature mental ejaculation that's getting our nation deeper and deeper into this shitstorm it's in already, lol.

Think about this, too, it's probable (but not guaranteed yet) that Bush will take Ohio, and there are rumors of Kerry thinking about conceding, but regardless of the outcome, do you honestly believe that the type of partisan behavior you're demonstrating is going to help anything?

More specifically, do you honestly believe that this childish "OMG WE WON!!!!!!" (and it is childish) ranting is going to help unify the nation? I'm not targeting you here, either, but I think you (and really, all "Republicans" and "Democrats") should be honest with yourself about it.

Not to drag this out, but tell me, since the Republicans are so clearly right...how is NCLB supposed to help 40-year-old Americans get their Information Technologies jobs back, jobs that have been getting outsourced to 40-year-old India natives for years now?

[JJ]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
The Untied States has a president. Kerry will give a speach at 8 o' clock here in Prague, 1 o' clock for you Americans. :P

I for one don't believe that after all his hard work, that Kerry would throw in the towel now. It's just too early. But if it is true, I'm glad I am in Europe. heh.

[Corey]

[size=1]For those of you that do not know, we have a president.
It is George W. Bush.

Let the destruction begin...[/size]

[Dagger]

[QUOTE=Corey][size=1]For those of you that do not know, we have a president.
It is George W. Bush.

Let the destruction begin...[/size][/QUOTE]

At least Kerry has made plans to concede... I'm a little surprised it occurred this quickly (what happened to all those promises about counting every single vote?), but whatever. It would have been pretty bad for the Democratic Party if they tried to drag things out. Congratulations to those of you who voted for Bush. Meanwhile, the rest of us should start thinking up creative ways to drown our collective sorrow.

I'm actually far more upset about the Senate than I am about the presidency; the Republicans have pretty much solidified their majority in both branches of Congress. So much for checks and balances... -_-

~Dagger~

[Guest Midnight Rush]

[QUOTE=Siren]

More specifically, do you honestly believe that this childish "OMG WE WON!!!!!!" (and it is childish) ranting is going to help unify the nation? I'm not targeting you here, either, but I think you (and really, all "Republicans" and "Democrats") should be honest with yourself about it.

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I don't give a damn about unifying the USA from a big picture perspective. I just fight to protect a GOP majority. That said, I am not for steamrolling all the Dems, and trampling things, as bi-partisanship is definitely a good thing. I think with the moderate Democratic Senators from the South, we have at least 61 votes in the Senate in terms of Court Appointments and all of that.

America isn't unified, and won' be under this President. Bush will help bring the partisan bickering down to a quiet roar, but with such a vast GOP Victory all across the board, its more of a condescending type deal than actaully caring.

OMG WE WON isn't childish if you have spent over 100 (off and on since July and then 22 hours the past two days) hours of your life fighting through enemies, weather, workload, stress, etc. for a cause. I am absolutely elated that my work paid off.

I deserve to say OMG WE WON.

So here it is folks:

[b][SIZE=4]OMG WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/SIZE][/b]

[Ugamon]

*Sigh*

I wonder how long till he starts drafting us.. cuz personally I wouldn't last a week in a army camp.. but somehow i ain't surprised that Bush won... I personally think the system is somewhat rigged. Kinda like last time where some of the vote "didn't get counted"

All you peeps out there prepare for the ugly Bush wars...

[Brasil]

[quote name='Midnight Rush']I don't give a damn about unifying the USA from a big picture perspective.[/quote]And this attitude (held by yourself and shared by many others) is directly responsible for the chaos that is going to further envelop our country, and also invalidates your entire post. Midnight Rush, you're not behaving logically here, and you're not removing yourself from the emotional entanglements that prohibit so many party members from thinking clearly and rationally about the whole process.

If there is ever going to be any progress at all, we are going to need to bring America together. A Nation Divided is the last thing we need.

Read the following statement very carefully:

[b][i]We don't need Ideological Civil War[/i].[/b]

[quote]I just fight to protect a GOP majority. That said, I am not for steamrolling all the Dems, and trampling things, as bi-partisanship is definitely a good thing. I think with the moderate Democratic Senators from the South, we have at least 61 votes in the Senate in terms of Court Appointments and all of that.[/quote]Based on your post history, your signature, your attitude, and your outlook on things, I hardly think you are "not for steamrolling all the Dems, and trampling things." C'mon, man, you just spent entire spammy posts bashing Democrats, praising Republicans, and are more and more coming off as nothing more than a mindless Right-wing mouthpiece, no offense.

I hardly think you're eager to have a fair and balanced political system.

[QUOTE]America isn't unified, and won' be under this President. Bush will help bring the partisan bickering down to a quiet roar, but with such a vast GOP Victory all across the board, its more of a condescending type deal than actaully caring.[/QUOTE]Consider who Bush is; consider how he is viewed in the nation. Consider what the voter turn-out came out to be (it can be said that it was nearly [i]dead-even[/i], keep in mind. "Put your vote where your mouth is" ring a bell? It's half-and-half.). Consider what we're hearing across the nation. Consider the current political, global, and social climates.

The pure and simple fact that Bush was re-elected is going to further divide the nation, and Michael Moore is going to get four more years to continue to b-tch and moan and stir up trouble, which is only going to further anger Republicans, who in turn will further anger the Democrats who worship Moore, and given the nature of partisan politics and partisan attack dogs, the attacks are not going to be focused on only Moore-ons.

Look at this entire thing in a Moderate/Centrist view:

Bush is not going to be able to minimize, lessen, or even mildly reduce the partisan bickering, not in this current climate, not with the War on Terror (because, let's face it...it's a war that has no tangible victory), not with NCLB (you all know my stance on this), not with job outsourcing ([b][u]I do wish you had answered my question about the job outsourcing of Information Technologies, by the way[/u][/b]), not with his plan to "improve" Education (again, NCLB is substandard at best).

Try cleansing yourself of the Republican brainwashing, and think about this. The country hasn't won with Bush being re-elected.

[QUOTE]OMG WE WON isn't childish if you have spent over 100 (off and on since July and then 22 hours the past two days) hours of your life fighting through enemies, weather, workload, stress, etc. for a cause. I am absolutely elated that my work paid off.[/QUOTE]You live in Pennsylvania. Your county may have turned out Bush, but you had absolutely nothing to do with the results in Ohio, the results of which decided the election, not Pennsylvania. Midnight Rush, you didn't win anything, lol, and your work paid off in your county and nothing more. Your efforts mean nothing in the bigger scheme of things in Ohio and in the nation.

[quote]I deserve to say OMG WE WON.

So here it is folks:

[b][size=4]OMG WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/size][/b][/QUOTE]And again, this is further adding to the "Schoolyard children" mentality that's doing nothing but hurting this country's structure.

[DeathBug]

Kerry today proved himself to be a bigger man than the entire democratic party in '00 put together.

Midnight Rush, just shut up. If you want to act like this, don't do it in the name of our party, which is so much better than you're acting.

[Swordsaint]

Sorry I can't contribute as often as the rest of you guys, there've been some good points from both sides on this. How ever there are a few things I have left to say:

Siren, your thoughts on this whole thing are well written and well presented with a clear voice and visible point, and I am in complete agreement with you on your political standpoint.

And to midnight rush
"I don't give a damn about unifying the USA from a big picture perspective. " What the **** are you talking about. What big picture are you looking at!? Bush winning the election, though it sucks A**, is but a small step in the big picture. A president, even one that I feel sucks as much as bush does, holds way more power when the nation is unified and behind him. Without the nation behind him, Bush is going to be [I]nothing[/I] in the big picture. Even a good president that has a divided nation behind him will be nothing in the big picture.

Shut up and get yourself prioritized and thinking straight before you open your mouth again and prove what an illogical trigger happy right wing nutcase you are.

btw, Siren if you run for the presidency you've got my vote behind ya.

[Dagger]

[quote name='DeathBug']Kerry today proved himself to be a bigger man than the entire democratic party in '00 put together.[/quote]

Yes. That was an excellent speech, and demonstrated just how different Kerry is from Gore (whose "concession" speech was plagued by a sort of snide bitterness). I admire him for showing optimism about America's future under President Bush (even if I can't bring myself to feel the same way), and for admitting defeat without any waffling whatsoever.

~Dagger~

[Harry]

[QUOTE=Siren]

And again, this is further adding to the "Schoolyard children" mentality that's doing nothing but hurting this country's structure.[/QUOTE]
Quit being such a drama queen over this election. I'm really sick of people going "Oh noes Bush is still in power he kill us all" mentality that everyone has. In the long run do you honestly think this election will have any significance in 10 years? It's not like anything truly monumental will happen because Bush is the President, or if Kerry was. Things will stay the same for most part. Iraq will continue to be instable no matter who's the President, same with most of the Middle East. We will still have a deficit. And the division of the nation will be like what it always has been, words.

Bush won. People that wanted him to be President went out and showed it.

[Jokopoko]

[COLOR=TEAL][SIZE=1]This isn't really linked to the election itself but is highly interesting, the link is a video so if you have a slow internet it may take a while ^_^;;.

[url]http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php#Main[/url]

I'll let you draw your own conclusions[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[Brasil]

Dearest Harry, I'm going to assume you're trying to be sarcastic here, as that's what you do: try to be sarcastic. But for the sake of argument, I'll treat your points as having some sort of serious and substantial basis for discussion.

[quote name='Harry']Quit being such a drama queen over this election.[/quote]
You see, Harry, it's far from being a drama queen. It's called being realistic. One would have to turn an entire blind eye to the current degenerate and unbalanced state of American politics. I think regardless of what political party one belongs to, one can see serious problems with how the system is behaving (or misbehaving).

When I can sit in a room after a Pop Culture presentation, get involved in a discussion about politics, and get both Staunch Republicans and Staunch Democrats to [i]fully agree[/i] with me that there is something definitely wrong about this Political Piefight we've got here, that says something about the accuracy of my observations.

People on OB (and in this thread) are agreeing with me (and many have said they'd vote for me), regardless of what political party they support.

There's no Drama Queenage going on here, I assure you.

[QUOTE]I'm really sick of people going "Oh noes Bush is still in power he kill us all" mentality that everyone has.[/QUOTE]
And the "OMG he's liek to0tali goin 2 kil us" is yet another example of how our current social, socioeconomic, political, and governmental climates are rapidly deteriorating.

I've had my own family members (after they watched Michael Moore movies, interestingly enough) get furious with me when I expressed distate for the guy, almost defending Bush. They said, "Bush killed 1,000 American soldiers. They're dead because of that horrible man."

I've said it before and I'll say it again, those are the Drama Queens, and they're on both sides of the fence. "Terrorist in Chief" and "If John Kerry's elected, we're totally screwed" are no different from each other.

[QUOTE]In the long run do you honestly think this election will have any significance in 10 years?[/QUOTE]
Considering it's been hailed as one of the most important elections held in the past Century, yes, I think it has some major significance in both the immediate future and in the distant future.

[QUOTE]It's not like anything truly monumental will happen because Bush is the President, or if Kerry was. Things will stay the same for most part. Iraq will continue to be instable no matter who's the President, same with most of the Middle East. We will still have a deficit. And the division of the nation will be like what it always has been, words. [/QUOTE]
On the contrary. Things will change, but it all depends what kind of control we have in the situation as those things change. That kind of control is important, too. We need to have balance, and balance is something we don't have right now, and we won't have balance if things continue the way they are.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that things aren't being handled efficiently around here. I seek to change that.

[quote]Bush won. People that wanted him to be President went out and showed it.[/QUOTE]
When you have a near dead-even Presidential race, I think it's a bit more complicated than that.